Trans characters in Mass Effect Andromeda

If they were going to have a full transition from male to female, why would they keep the penis and not have it changed to a vagina?

10/10 virtue signaling

Thank you! I'm a little hungover but the I think the kebab I scoffed before bed saved me from a morning with my head down the loo.


Oh you

You obviously don't know what "FULL transition" means.

Here's some light reading.

Personally, I think that having a trans character as a romance option would satisfy those requirements, because it would provide the most naturalistic means for someone to want to disclose their trans status to our protagonist, prior to starting a possible relationship with them?

Otherwise, would it even need to be discussed given that it's not pertinent information?

While I can understand the argument to be made about possible implications about keeping a character's trans status hidden outside of a romance, on the other hand, wouldn't it give first-time players or those who didn't romance them, the chance to befriend and enjoy their character without letting any prejudices get in the way?

When certain people have to say "Ignore the glowing praise I gave them yesterday!" about someone, doesn't that perfectly highlight the absurdity of transphobia in the first place? How would it make the character any different from the same one they might have enjoyed before, except now they happen to know was formally X gender?

Another possible naturalistic way to go about it would be to have the trans character be a friend of the protagonists, so it's something that they already knew about, but we as the audience can only learn about later in the game?

Maybe have it casually dropped in a similar scene to one in Trespasser, where Bull acted like an over-protective parent if Krem potentially started a relationship with Maryden... so our protagonist likewise can show concern towards our friends relationship, whether things are going okay and they need to step in and talk with anyone?

" Normal folks " = aka people who are not people who are necessarily extremists, who are not racists, or part of the " alt right " normal people aka people who are moderate.

your little bubble = aka some pretending that people who want to stay true to their vision are baaaad and marginalized. Which is far away from the reality, with the society in its big majority.

Also good to know that you are ignoring me, I was already ignoring you when i read one of your posts that implied that people who critized the writting about Krem and Dorian were apparently just having issues with lgbt characters. If there is something that I despise, it's that kind of easy judgments, an easy way to dismiss the argument of the opposite side. It can only have been well written or you are anti-lgbt characters as well. Meh, next. That's typically what I find dumb. Zero arguments.

As for your last judgment, here a thing, I don't give a shit about you, I don't give a shit about an opinion like yours, from someone with such easy judgments, that doesn't interest me. it doesn't affect me in any way.

The thing is I feel pretty lucky to have the friends I have too. And I don't really care about yours, and I certainly don't think they are better than mine ? Good for you, good for me in the end.

I agree that a romance option or close friend are the two instances where a conversation on the matter would make perfect sense and would feel natural. Though I'm not sure a trans LI is a good idea. I'm not necessarily opposed to it myself, although I have to admit that I'd much prefer an LI who wasn't trans for my own Ryder, but I do think it would invite a lot of transphobia into the conversation surrounding the game. I'm not sure I'd want to see the arguments that would arise as a result. It would also be a bit of a niche option in terms of overall appeal. 

I don't think Krem was handled particularly well, it still felt like it came sort of out of nowhere, like it was the writers who wanted to tell me rather than the characters. Having a squadmate or crew member who only tells you if you pursue their friendship arc and it naturally arises would work, and is probably the best way of including such a character if they choose to. 

I understand what you are saying and I agree in part with what you are saying. I don't know if you were responding to me, but let me tell you where come from my angryness. 

At the beginning, i was agreeing with this thread which was mocking those who were against the presence of transgender characters. I didn't feel concerned. I was even relatively happy that Jen Garson could be a transgender. Because more diversity is always welcome.

But after it went to those who didn't think that Krem was that well handled. There were definitely a few posts that annoyed me, pretending that if you complain about what was done with Krem and Dorian, you have issues with lgbt characters. Which is stupid and including all those who had nothing against lgbt characters, just an issue with the way Bioware handled a few things. Most of these people just want improvements next time. This is a dishonest and an easy process, done purposely to dismiss any legetimate argument, whether  we agree or not.

Could we able to discuss about this without being labelled and judged with nonsense ?
 
Despite thousands of debates and many folks, different, involved, with very long posts explaining why some people felt disappointed with the personal quest of Dorian, or a bit confused with Krem / Iron Bull, the qunari and the lore in the past, you would think that people would not jump that quickly to that ridiculous argument today. You can disagree with the opinions as well, and it's okay, it's fine, but as long as you respect the opinion.

I'm myself pro-lgbt characters, but I really find this impossibility to critize a lgbt character without being labelled annoying. I'm a free mind !
Try to label me for not agreeing about something and you will see me very hostile. 

It's okay to me to critizes the homophobes, as long as you target the folks that are concerned. Sometimes, when I read this thread, I feel like we can all only shut our mouth or say wow, it was well done. I'm not okay with that. 

I just have two thoughts on this:

1.) It is unsurprising that your friends have views that support your viewpoint.  That's why they are your friends.  I could do the exact same exercise with my friends and their responses would support my viewpoint.  Basically, this is anecdotal evidence that simply demonstrates that there are people who support your viewpoint.  But we already knew that, so what was the point?

2.) There was a time when the majority of people thought that women were inferior to men in all ways.  It was widely accepted and people used "science" to support their argument.  There was also a time, even more recent, when the majority of "society" thought that black people were inferior to white people, even going so far as to consider them not fully human.  It was widely accepted and people used "science" to support their argument.  From my perspective, this is another civil rights issue.  And 100 years in the future, people will look back on those who think that transgender people were mentally ill and/or LGBT people didn't deserve full legal rights and wonder how it could possibly have been this way.  I suspect that there will be a "wrong side" on this when history has it's way with it.  But, again, that's my perspective. 

If that question is open to everyone, my response would probably be;

"And? I was born with an extra finger on each hand, which were later removed... would that bother you?" 

Why unsurprising  ? They do not necessarily always share my point of view. You have no idea how many have different points of view over different matters between friends apparently. Especially when it's about politics. My girlfriend is ecologist and close to the socialists in my country for example, I'm not. We do not share exactly the same thoughts on everything. Though she suceeded to convince me about the need to be more ecologist. 

The point was talking about alt-right when it comes to the  matter of transgender is dumb. It's not the alt right that is concerned, that is the whole society, most of the moderate folks concerned. There is simply a long road to improve things and it will require time in this matter in the whole society in every country. Believing the opposite is naive at best.  

And your second point is the whole problem. Your analogies are bad. Not being willing to follow the ideas of a guy IS NOT being intolerant. Since when a fact is a negative biais ? People are seeing a guy, they are NOT forced to believe that it is a woman because he says so and they are NOT forced to treat him differently because he wants to. I don't have to submit myself to every single guy thinking he is this or that. It's up to people to decide, and you cannot do anything against that. Your moralistic iesson is bad because not founded on anything legetimate. 

 Not only i don't see the relationship with racism in this case, but I also reject this idea that because you stay true to the nature of the person, you are wrong. No, what is wrong is forcing people to believe something that is only based on an opinion and a few modifications by science. You are basically saying that people are intolerant because they are not willing to play a role. Call me when you will figure out how this is ridiculous. 

I fail to understand your logic to be honest. There is a difference between saying those people don't deserve rights, and someone who is just politely just not being willing to play a role. I'm okay with transgenders, and yet I'm not sure i'm able to play a role just to please them. I'm not myself if I do that, i'm not at all authentic, because this isn't at all what I think.  A guy who wants to be a woman is not a woman in my mind. That's it. Doesn't mean I have anything against him.