Trans characters in Mass Effect Andromeda

Well there is biological sex and socially performed gender where the difference comes I guess. Lot of people just recognize sex though.

A natural born woman is still a woman no matter how she carries herself or what she's interested in.

The name of the movie is Lars And The Real Girl.

However, I misremembered. His girlfriend is a sex doll.

Still a good picture though so check it out.

From what I found there are chromosomes people have which are things like XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc. but currently those are all classified as syndromes as they are people who are still predominately male or female with varying symptoms based on the exact chromosomes they have.

I suppose it depends on what you want to consider it. From what I can find right now somebody with XXY would be considered a male with Klinefelter's Syndrome rather than their own unique gender. There is a precedent of somebody with XXY being given an official passport and birth certificate from Australia to note indeterminate gender, but that's more of a legal standing than a scientific one.

Humans would still be considered a binary sex species just because of how rare this actually is. Even Klinefelter's Syndrome which is the most common is about 0.1% of men. At that point, it's not typically considered a defining trait of the species. That's probably why we're calling them syndromes right now, because we don't really have a better word.



I'm generally fine with using they as it's already been widely used for a long time now to denote a person of undetermined gender. Using it has always felt like I was referring to a non person.

I suppose you could create an entirely new word for it but then you'd have to get society as a whole to actually agree on what to use. It's probably significantly easier just to use they.



Yeah the general issue with these languages is feminine and masculine words are built into the language at multiple levels and they'd need to be completely reworked in order to add gender neutral words.

Which you can't just up and rework a language because you feel like it. That's not really how it works, so these languages are stuck with what they are unless the masses decide to change it.



Admittedly my experience with people who actually use the word is a bit limited. I've only ever seen it used to refer to a person who is straight and comfortable with whatever gender they were born as.

I feel like trying to define "what a man/woman ought to be in society" is a pretty dangerous road to start heading down.

I can't find any scientific evidence that you can have no biological sex. I'm not saying it's impossible to ever happen but right now we have nothing to suggest that a living being can have no biologically defined sex.

As I said it would depend on one how wants to classify things. Right now from what I can find, the scientific community would classify somebody with XXY as a Male with Klinefelter's Syndrome.

By that definition that person still only one has one biological sex. Trying to argue that such a person is either both Male and Female or an entirely new gender would need some kind of scientific backing behind it.

Though from a social standpoint if somebody wants to say they identify as male, female, both, or neither I'm okay with that. Beyond that, I go back to my previous point that if you aren't one of those 4 then there's a good chance you aren't talking about gender anymore.



I agree that language is constantly evolving. What I was getting at is that the evolution of language typically happens as a result of the masses adopting common usages of certain words.

It makes it exceedingly difficult to create specific targeted changes in a language, because it has to be accepted on a widespread level. To that end, it's probably just easier to use they/their/they're than it is to create an entirely new word. Using "it" could also work but that can have a bit of a negative stigma to it so I don't see it catching on.

I should note that what a doctor assigns somebody isn't a terribly scientific process. They simply do it because most countries have a birth certificate that demands you put a sex on it and you need a quick identifier for it. In biology your physical sex is determined by what sexual organs you have, both internal and external. In hospitals as you noted before, doctors just use the external genitalia to determine what to write.

Once they have characteristics of both then they would be a hermaphrodite(or intersex) which can actually be hermaphrodite, male pseduohermaphrodite, or female pseudohermaphrodite which generally accounts for variations within that. Somebody who was assigned male but as it turns out has internal female organs would actually fall under this category and the doctors made a mistake because they only checked external.

In theory it might be possible to have neither but you'd be incapable of ever having children on account of not having any reproductive organs. Such a mutation is obviously of no evolutionary benefit for our species and would actually be a detriment(since, you know, no more children =P), so it would never catch on. Assuming it were even possible to happen in Humans it would be exceedingly rare as well since we have no documented cases of it since we start documenting this stuff.

Getting doctors and people in general to accept use of the terms for intersex people is a social issue and one that I would agree people should be more accepting of(medical issues that can arise as a result of these mutations aside, obviously those should be treated upon getting permission).



It would be nice, I just don't really expect it to happen for quite some time. Certainly not while people are pushing to get dozens of new gender pronouns which is making the whole thing seem really silly to a lot of people.

Personally, I'm more interested in how LGBTQ and non-white characters think. I guarantee you that if they think politically like Jenner then most of these diehard liberals supporting non-whites and LGBTQ characters would turn their backs on such a character in a heart beat. LGBTQ and non-white characters are cool with the kids as long as they also represent leftist views. If Bioware wants true diversity, then it will focus less on representing certain groups and focus more on representing diversity of viewpoints, including right-wing ones, which are inarguably a minority in games unless they're espoused by a leftist's idea of a villain. I'm reminded of the hypocristy of leftists hating proto-Trump TIM, voiced by a diehard leftist, yet how many times do we see large polls on BSN asking people to gleefully pick their favorite race or choose which races they plan to use for squadmates? Hypocrites all.

Moment of silence for ME1 Ashley whose religious and human-centric views were snuffed out due to the leftist totalitarian bigotry that couldn't handle an actual right-wing, heteronormative viewpoint.

Also, I look forward to the Trudeau/Castro jokes as much as the Trump jokes, if Bioware's writers have fairplay in mind. (They won't.)

Deadpool has spoken. Get in here, Dahlinne. I miss your @$$.

He more reminded me of Gordon Gecko from the Wall Street movies.  Only if Gordon was stupidly rich and was in outer space.  Gordon didn't have really much political leanings, save that the economic system of the time was beneficial to him.

I could totally see TIM saying: "Greed is good."

We're clearly not going to find agreement on some of these matters
(though I congratulate @daveliam on the attempt )

So before this gets too unpleasant, how about we talk about Mass Effect for a bit...? 

The Illusive Man was neither illusive nor a man. Discuss.

No.
He was something else.
A MAGE!!!