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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 15, 2016 20:13:48 GMT
You should've felt like a creeper romancing Tali. That's not Meers' fault. She was barely more than a child, and had just told you (on her loyalty mission) that smelling a flower unfiltered could kill her. The Tali romance is the "Creeper Arc". (Yes, I just said that. I'm sure my real life age plays some role in my perception, but it's totally creepy.)We have Weekes and his liberal views on fan-service to thank for the dialing back of the quarian immune response, for Tali's silly presence aboard Normandy in ME3, and several other weird things. He's a good writer, but I'm not sorry he's gone from ME. I do worry, a bit, for DA. Will it become a total fan-service parade? Hale uses the same sexual harrassment voice with James in ME3 that she does with Jacob in ME2. She often heavily over-acts lines in the series. It was so bad by the end of ME3 that I could barely handle her anymore. Everyone has their preferences. I would like your post a hundred times for this if I could. THANK YOU, somebody finally agree with me on this! I thought I was the only one... And I'm not even a male player who was in love with her and it still creeped me out big time. Pedobear Shepard. Then I thought maybe that's exactly why nobody found it creepy because young male players projected themselves onto Shepard and then there was no creepy age difference anymore. Of course they were still risking her life which, no matter how you look at it, is a dick move and completely irresponsible. Especially as a military leader. Huh, you're not the first to dislike Weekes' people pleaser personality. A very close friend of mine said the same thing. Weekes is all fan service and SJW white knight. I don't even know if that's true. I used to like him because he's a good writer. Solas is the best villain I have yet seen in a Bioware game (ME and DA era). But I can see where this is coming from if he's the one who gave the thumbs up for Tali. I don't mind a bit of fan service - if it makes sense for the story. Games are supposed to be fun after all. I thought the Citadel DLC was a blast. But clearly Tali made no sense. And the Garrus romance while cute because of his personality is something I don't want to think about in detail either. How would one find a Turian physically attractive?? DAI was already basically 90% a romance/banter game with a really bad main story. And the supposedly even GREATER focus on romances in MEA REALLY worries me. Banter is AWESOME, characters are Bioware's strength but they need to remember that it all falls apart when the framework is barely holding together. And they need to invest in the gameplay as well. I want LESS romances. And I want GOOD romances. Usually more does not equal better. In fact, I'd be happier with no romances and just amazing friendships if Bioware gave us an engaging story and addictive combat that blew our socks off. Sorry for going completely off-topic... |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2016 23:53:39 GMT
No, thanks. I carried paragon and renegade dudeShep through ME1+2 and the renegade through ME3. And that terrible unemotional voice never grew on me. He's the worst male VA in a Bioware game ever to me. I find his voice that terrible, yes. Both the voice itself and the acting. I will say though that Meer is fitting for a full psycho renegade. Playing paragon I felt like a total creep romancing Tali. Ugh. We will not speak of the crime against humanity that was femShep sexing up Jacob. That's top of my list of worst things in the trilogy, I put the endings BELOW that in second place. Third is Kai Leng. I fully blame the voice direction, though. Hale was amazing as Shepard. Fair enough. You should've felt like a creeper romancing Tali. That's not Meers' fault. She was barely more than a child, and had just told you (on her loyalty mission) that smelling a flower unfiltered could kill her. The Tali romance is the "Creeper Arc". (Yes, I just said that. I'm sure my real life age plays some role in my perception, but it's totally creepy.) We have Weekes and his liberal views on fan-service to thank for the dialing back of the quarian immune response, for Tali's silly presence aboard Normandy in ME3, and several other weird things. He's a good writer, but I'm not sorry he's gone from ME. I do worry, a bit, for DA. Will it become a total fan-service parade? Hale uses the same sexual harrassment voice with James in ME3 that she does with Jacob in ME2. She often heavily over-acts lines in the series. It was so bad by the end of ME3 that I could barely handle her anymore. Everyone has their preferences. I've said it countless times and I'll say it countless more, Tali should have been a sexless romance because of the Quarian immune issues. It would have been amazing to see that in a romance, but alas they just went with the sex route(At least I still have Kelly). As for being a creeper, I don't agree with that due to the age thing. Tali is 24 in ME2 when she became a romance, which is only a year younger than Ashley is in ME1 yet nobody says that was a creeper romance. I think the only difference is Tali is innocent in that regard whereas Ashley was not, so she seems younger. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 0:07:14 GMT
I've said it countless times and I'll say it countless more, Tali should have been a sexless romance because of the Quarian immune issues. That would have went over about as well as ME3's ending. The Talimancers were really annoying intense prior to ME2's release. They would have went berserk if Bioware sort of gave them what they wanted, but not really. Not making Tali a LI at all would probably have been less controversial. |
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Post by Xerxes52 on Dec 16, 2016 1:14:45 GMT
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 16, 2016 1:55:15 GMT
I never understood why Tali was such a requested romance after ME1. She was and still is fucking BORING in ME1 so much that I always zone out when she talks about her people and the Geth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:31:28 GMT
I never understood why Tali was such a requested romance after ME1. Her hips and backside. I'm not making that up. Her original fan thread was titled Dem Hips, or something like that. Dem Hips was also a meme of sorts on the boards, with people posting it anytime Tali was mentioned. (Like I said earlier, the Talimancers used to be annoying) Bioware should have ignored them. Tali made zero sense as a LI, but I suppose that ship has sailed. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2016 7:34:35 GMT
I've said it countless times and I'll say it countless more, Tali should have been a sexless romance because of the Quarian immune issues. That would have went over about as well as ME3's ending. The Talimancers were really annoying intense prior to ME2's release. They would have went berserk if Bioware sort of gave them what they wanted, but not really. Not making Tali a LI at all would probably have been less controversial. A romance being controversial has never stopped Bioware before. The fact some fans wouldn't like it is not a valid excuse for them not doing the kind of romance I noted for her. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:43:56 GMT
That would have went over about as well as ME3's ending. The Talimancers were really annoying intense prior to ME2's release. They would have went berserk if Bioware sort of gave them what they wanted, but not really. Not making Tali a LI at all would probably have been less controversial. A romance being controversial has never stopped Bioware before. The fact some fans wouldn't like it is not a valid excuse for them not doing the kind of romance I noted for her. Almost no one would like it. The amount of players who prefer their romance arcs remain chaste are tiny. Bioware would also be poking a large and vocal part of the fanbase in the eye by going that route with an established character that had been the focus of three years worth of "Bioware PLS Make LI" spamming. There's no universe where that wouldn't have caused the forums to go radioactive. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2016 7:52:33 GMT
A romance being controversial has never stopped Bioware before. The fact some fans wouldn't like it is not a valid excuse for them not doing the kind of romance I noted for her. Almost no one would like it. The amount of players who prefer their romance arcs remain chaste are tiny. Bioware would also be poking a large and vocal part of the fanbase in the eye by going that route with an established character that had been the focus of three years worth of "Bioware PLS Make LI" spamming. There's no universe where that wouldn't have caused the forums to go radioactive. Still not a valid excuse. And I don't believe you saying it would be tiny. Romances like Solas and Josephine prove that people don't need a sex scene to enjoy a romance. Anyway, this is offtopic and has been going on too long. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 16, 2016 15:30:31 GMT
A romance being controversial has never stopped Bioware before. The fact some fans wouldn't like it is not a valid excuse for them not doing the kind of romance I noted for her. Almost no one would like it. The amount of players who prefer their romance arcs remain chaste are tiny. Bioware would also be poking a large and vocal part of the fanbase in the eye by going that route with an established character that had been the focus of three years worth of "Bioware PLS Make LI" spamming. There's no universe where that wouldn't have caused the forums to go radioactive. How different would the IP be now if they'd have not caved on the Tali and Garrus romance requests? Romance-hysteria might not have spiraled so far out of proportion, and a few more of the scifi elements of the game might still be intact. Sigh. |
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Post by javeart on Dec 16, 2016 16:41:36 GMT
Almost no one would like it. The amount of players who prefer their romance arcs remain chaste are tiny. Bioware would also be poking a large and vocal part of the fanbase in the eye by going that route with an established character that had been the focus of three years worth of "Bioware PLS Make LI" spamming. There's no universe where that wouldn't have caused the forums to go radioactive. How different would the IP be now if they'd have not caved on the Tali and Garrus romance requests? Romance-hysteria might not have spiraled so far out of proportion, and a few more of the scifi elements of the game might still be intact. Sigh. The things is, some people want harder sci-fi, other people want more romance, other people want more exploration, other people want better stories... Of course it would be cool if we all get a game taylored to our own unique preferences, but what can we do?  I for example don't particularly care about sci-fy,, I like bioware games whatever the setting, aliens, mages, pirates, gangs, ghosts, they're all the same to me... Being honest I just don't know enough of natural sciences to say when something it's good hard-scifi or when it falls into space magic (I mean, beyond common sense)... So, from where I stand, I could criticize some episodes of accuracy-hysteria too, you see, but I wouldn't, I understand that there are lot of dedicated scifi fans among the Mass Effect fans and that they care for that kind of things. I mean, we don't care all about the same things, we couldn't |
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Post by JayKay on Dec 16, 2016 18:27:35 GMT
Almost no one would like it. The amount of players who prefer their romance arcs remain chaste are tiny. Bioware would also be poking a large and vocal part of the fanbase in the eye by going that route with an established character that had been the focus of three years worth of "Bioware PLS Make LI" spamming. There's no universe where that wouldn't have caused the forums to go radioactive. Still not a valid excuse. And I don't believe you saying it would be tiny. Romances like Solas and Josephine prove that people don't need a sex scene to enjoy a romance. Anyway, this is offtopic and has been going on too long. I actually remember there being a fair amount of griping that Solas and Josephine didn't have a definitive "love scene." That said, I believe both were written in a way where you can interpret there being sex involved in the relationship if you wished to. But yeah, I was surprised when Tali started fumbling to try to romance me in ME2, because after playing through ME1, I fully put her as a "kid sister" character, someone who my Shepard cared for a lot, but not in THAT way. I am thinking about doing a playthrough with Tali as the LI, though, just to see what it's like for myself. ANYWAY, Taylorson sounds like a pretty cool dude, and from what I heard of Wolff in the gameplay trailer, she seems like she'll do fine. I honestly don't get why people are shitting all over these guys already. Anyway, I'm rather torn on who to play first. I think I might go male first, because I always like seeing if I can create myself in the CC, and Taylorson sounds like he'll be fun as a snarky hero. But if one character has a romance that sounds more interesting, that might push me fully to one side as my first play. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 16, 2016 23:41:33 GMT
How different would the IP be now if they'd have not caved on the Tali and Garrus romance requests? Romance-hysteria might not have spiraled so far out of proportion, and a few more of the scifi elements of the game might still be intact. Sigh. The things is, some people want harder sci-fi, other people want more romance, other people want more exploration, other people want better stories... Of course it would be cool if we all get a game taylored to our own unique preferences, but what can we do? I for example don't particularly care about sci-fy,, I like bioware games whatever the setting, aliens, mages, pirates, gangs, ghosts, they're all the same to me... Being honest I just don't know enough of natural sciences to say when something it's good hard-scifi or when it falls into space magic (I mean, beyond common sense)... So, from where I stand, I could criticize some episodes of accuracy-hysteria too, you see, but I wouldn't, I understand that there are lot of dedicated scifi fans among the Mass Effect fans and that they care for that kind of things. I mean, we don't care all about the same things, we couldn't I hadn't intended "romance hysteria" as a pointed criticism. Still, "accuracy hysteria" would ring hollow. We don't have 20 ongoing threads, entire subforums, and/or drinking games devoted to "scientific accuracy discussions". Romance hysteria is a pretty accurate description of a thing among BioWare's fanbase. Fans want to "romance" everyone and everything, and those floodgates were effectively opened with the Garrus and Tali romance arcs. |
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Post by javeart on Dec 17, 2016 0:07:16 GMT
The things is, some people want harder sci-fi, other people want more romance, other people want more exploration, other people want better stories... Of course it would be cool if we all get a game taylored to our own unique preferences, but what can we do? I for example don't particularly care about sci-fy,, I like bioware games whatever the setting, aliens, mages, pirates, gangs, ghosts, they're all the same to me... Being honest I just don't know enough of natural sciences to say when something it's good hard-scifi or when it falls into space magic (I mean, beyond common sense)... So, from where I stand, I could criticize some episodes of accuracy-hysteria too, you see, but I wouldn't, I understand that there are lot of dedicated scifi fans among the Mass Effect fans and that they care for that kind of things. I mean, we don't care all about the same things, we couldn't I hadn't intended "romance hysteria" as a pointed criticism. Still, "accuracy hysteria" would ring hollow. We don't have 20 ongoing threads, entire subforums, and/or drinking games devoted to "scientific accuracy discussions". Romance hysteria is a pretty accurate description of a thing among BioWare's fanbase. Fans want to "romance" everyone and everything, and those floodgates were effectively opened with the Garrus and Tali romance arcs. Well I said "episodes", and I think there's definitely episodes whit at least a little of accuracy hysteria Not that I care, I sometimes read part of those threads and find something interesting, and even if I didn't everyone should devote their time to the things they enjoy  Personally, I just don't see the need to criticize what other people enjoy, even if I totally understand the concerns about resources being spent in areas one doesn't care about or the possibility of a game going in a direction one doesn't like, but that's a problem we all have. Of course, if you want to criticize people for caring about romances go ahead, needless to say, I just wanted to say, you know, that different strokes and all that In fact, and though it might sound awfull to you  , I'd say that considering that including it surely brought more happiness to the talimancers than annoyance to you (after all it doesn't happen in your game!), I'd say that I support the inclussion . |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 17, 2016 3:39:45 GMT
I hadn't intended "romance hysteria" as a pointed criticism. Still, "accuracy hysteria" would ring hollow. We don't have 20 ongoing threads, entire subforums, and/or drinking games devoted to "scientific accuracy discussions". Romance hysteria is a pretty accurate description of a thing among BioWare's fanbase. Fans want to "romance" everyone and everything, and those floodgates were effectively opened with the Garrus and Tali romance arcs. Well I said "episodes", and I think there's definitely episodes whit at least a little of accuracy hysteria Not that I care, I sometimes read part of those threads and find something interesting, and even if I didn't everyone should devote their time to the things they enjoy Personally, I just don't see the need to criticize what other people enjoy, even if I totally understand the concerns about resources being spent in areas one doesn't care about or the possibility of a game going in a direction one doesn't like, but that's a problem we all have. Of course, if you want to criticize people for caring about romances go ahead, needless to say, I just wanted to say, you know, that different strokes and all that In fact, and though it might sound awfull to you , I'd say that considering that including it surely brought more happiness to the talimancers than annoyance to you (after all it doesn't happen in your game!), I'd say that I support the inclussion . I critique the game because I'm invested in it and always want both "more and better". I'm not being unreasonable in expressing what I think "more and better" means any more so than those who constantly call for more romance content. I felt like the aforementioned romance arcs compromised the integrity of the IP. I think any continued fan service pandering likewise does so. It's not yet enough to ruin the game for me, obviously, but it's enough to lower its overall quality, in my estimation. When did we start hiding our individual opinions because they might not match another's? That's directly counter to the purpose of the forums. Some disagree with me, some agree. Either way, my opinion is mine, and no one need feel offended by it. It's just an opinion. We're all still playing the same game, in the end. |
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Post by goishen on Dec 17, 2016 4:37:06 GMT
I dunno. I'll prolly fall in love with a character from the game and then one of the two voice actors will come along and trash it. It's something that I feel has already happened with the entire "I'm the protagonist, so you have to tell me what you're doing."
I dunno, something about that just hit me funny. And I can't put my finger on it. I mean, I'm trying to be a grown up. Move past it. Not listen to any more interviews. But, I dunno. Maybe if I hear them in game it'll be better. But then again, it might be worse.
EDIT : I think what it is is that it is such a lore heavy (read as not history, or rather fake history (I'm looking at you DC comics)) universe that it requires a blank slate so that they can convey that lore. "Hey, we're working on a sensor that, when amplified through an omnitool it can do this and this and this." Rather than just pushing a button and going, "Huh. So that button does that..." Or even reading a manual of codexes about how that thing works. When, ultimately you'll just go, "Huh, so 2 does that. Huh, cool. Let's see what 3 does." Plus, it's the disdain she's showing for the game. She might not give two shits less about the lore and the powers, but some of us do. It sounds as though she's used to playing a 2D sidescroller where you just don't give a shit about the lore or your powers, all that you care is that you have them. That's not a geek or a nerd. That's someone with ADHD.
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Post by javeart on Dec 17, 2016 9:05:02 GMT
I critique the game because I'm invested in it and always want both "more and better". I'm not being unreasonable in expressing what I think "more and better" means any more so than those who constantly call for more romance content. I felt like the aforementioned romance arcs compromised the integrity of the IP. I think any continued fan service pandering likewise does so. It's not yet enough to ruin the game for me, obviously, but it's enough to lower its overall quality, in my estimation. When did we start hiding our individual opinions because they might not match another's? That's directly counter to the purpose of the forums. Some disagree with me, some agree. Either way, my opinion is mine, and no one need feel offended by it. It's just an opinion. We're all still playing the same game, in the end. Of course! it's just that reading your opinion about some things made me want to state mine, I definitely agree that doing precisely this is the purpose of the forums And yes, part of what I think about this it's that we could go easier on criticizing some things, but obviously that is just my opinion and my own way about things And I promise I'm done now derailing the thread, sorry |
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Post by Nashimura on Dec 19, 2016 21:05:17 GMT
I didn't feel creepy romancing Tali... she is a strong, mature, independent women... not some immature child, regardless of her actual age or the difference between her and Shepard (not that i think early 20s with mid 30's is wrong...) The thought of romancing Merrill from DA2 felt more creepy, she never seems of sound mind, and felt very immature and... kinda dumb. Tali is the opposite of all of that.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing Sarah and Scott Ryder both of the possible protagonists from Mass Effect Andromeda. It was a pleasure to speak with both sides of the gender isle to get you excited for the game. We talk ALL Mass Effect, only Mass Effect with them not saying anything specific. Topics include: -What it means for THEM to play in the Mass Effect world -What it's like to work for and with Bioware -How to create 4 or 5 versions of Ryder for different character choices -How their personal relationship plays into the banter Fan fiction? Who will bang WHOM!That question won't be awkward at all. |
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Post by Vall on Dec 21, 2016 23:43:22 GMT
Listening to it...it's incredible I just love both of them  |
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Post by colfoley on Dec 21, 2016 23:44:33 GMT
Listening to it...it's incredible I just love both of them Been listening to it in the back ground so really have not been thinking about it, but you are right, Fryda especially sounds really...pleasant. |
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I for example don't particularly care about sci-fy,, I like bioware games whatever the setting, aliens, mages, pirates, gangs, ghosts, they're all the same to me... Being honest I just don't know enough of natural sciences to say when something it's good hard-scifi or when it falls into space magic (I mean, beyond common sense)... So, from where I stand, I could criticize some episodes of accuracy-hysteria too, you see, but I wouldn't, I understand that there are lot of dedicated scifi fans among the Mass Effect fans and that they care for that kind of things. I mean, we don't care all about the same things, we couldn't
Personally, I just don't see the need to criticize what other people enjoy, even if I totally understand the concerns about resources being spent in areas one doesn't care about or the possibility of a game going in a direction one doesn't like, but that's a problem we all have. Of course, if you want to criticize people for caring about romances go ahead, needless to say, I just wanted to say, you know, that different strokes and all that 
, I'd say that considering that including it surely brought more happiness to the talimancers than annoyance to you (after all it doesn't happen in your game!), I'd say that I support the inclussion 
