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Post by themikefest on Dec 30, 2016 12:52:10 GMT
Lightsabers are just terrible weapons. The only thing that make them effective (in the SW universe) is that they are being used by sorcerers called Jedi. If you are an average Joe and go in a battle with a lightsaber the first trained soldier with a gun will most likely put you down, if you don't end up cutting yourself to pieces while using it. Just no. That's exactly what would happen. If the clown isn't gunned down, he/she most likely killed by a grenade or a land mine.
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Post by Wulfram on Dec 30, 2016 13:01:44 GMT
The problem with a sword is that an (omni)-bayonet which you can activate at the flick of a button makes so much more sense.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 13:02:56 GMT
Will wait patiently until a gameplay video showing the mighty hammer-wielding warrior crushing the Andromedans. We saw a very quick glimpse of a hammer in the VGA trailer. The animation even looked the same from ME3MP.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 30, 2016 13:20:50 GMT
Sadly no lightsabers but there will be swords. I'm excited about this. Really though I wish Bioware would just make KOTOR 3 already! Just imagine how good it could be. If they do make KOTOR 3 one day I hope it would have two different storylines - Jedi and Sith. And that halfway through the game you could change your allegiance if you wanted or stay loyal. Both Revan and the Exile started as Jedi... would be nice to play someone who was born to be Sith. Been wishing for KOTOR 3 forever. Sadly I'm afraid it would just be reduced to another Bioware MMO-style open-world filled with bland fetch quests. Actually, it might not be so bad if Bio let's you force choke/lightning to death any NPC that asks you to do some stupid BS sidequest. "Lord Sith, could you help me out by taking these flowers to..." (choking/crunching sounds). As for lightsabers in MEA, definitely won't happen. But melee weapons are a thing as we've seen both sword and hammer thus far. Not my thing, so I definitely will not use them unless I'm doing my silly, do whatever I can to break the game/immersion playthrough.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 30, 2016 13:30:55 GMT
I'm curious about one thing: Are the settings in the shields changeable? Can people in ME-universe change how fast an object have to move to activate the shield? In that case it would theoretically be possible to make it able to stop melee weapons that come in a high velocity, which it would have to for it to go through armor.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2016 13:45:07 GMT
Please give me a light saber bioware. And let it cut through enviroments like it did in the force awakens. Anyone else for this and it can be called something different or some other form of high tech weapon that is melee
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 15:27:34 GMT
Armor that can stop or deflect projectiles fired by mass accelerator weapons should be able to do the same with Kai Leng style ninja swords. The latter is going to have a lot less kinetic energy, even if it is wielded by a cyborg. A person in body armor should be completely impervious to damage from someone who brings a sword to a gunfight.
The other issue with swords or other melee weapons like war hammers, is that they are only useful at close range and monopolize the use of your hands. A person wielding a sword or hammer, even if it could kill the person beneath the armor, has to opt to trade a weapon that can kill at both long and short range (firearms) for one that is only useful when you're eyeball-to-eyeball with an enemy. It's a poor trade.
There's no amount of writing that can ever make swords and war hammers plausible as anything other than obsolete weapons. Unfortunately the devs are prioritizing Rule of Cool over verisimilitude on this one.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 15:34:56 GMT
Armor that can stop or deflect projectiles fired by mass accelerator weapons should be able to do the same with Kai Leng style ninja swords. The latter is going to have a lot less kinetic energy, even if it is wielded by a cyborg. A person in body armor should be completely impervious to damage from someone who brings a sword to a gunfight. The other issue with swords or other melee weapons like war hammers, is that they are only useful at close range and monopolize the use of your hands. A person wielding a sword or hammer, even if it could kill the person beneath the armor, has to opt to trade a weapon that can kill at both long and short range (firearms) for one that is only useful when you're eyeball-to-eyeball with an enemy. It's a poor trade. There's no amount of writing that can ever make swords and war hammers plausible as anything other than obsolete weapons. Unfortunately the devs are prioritizing Rule of Cool over verisimilitude on this one. Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained.
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Post by Wulfram on Dec 30, 2016 15:39:26 GMT
Lore wise, armour doesn't protect you from bullets in Mass Effect, the shields do. Well technically the the shielding is coming from the armour, but that's not the point.
Armour would help protect you from shrapnel, ricochets, environmental stuff like fire and gas and so forth. As well as dispensing medi-gel to any injuries and emitting the shield, but it doesn't stop bullets.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 30, 2016 15:48:06 GMT
Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. How would you get close enough to use that sword or hammer before being gunned down by others who are using sniper rifles, assault rifles and pistols? Or better yet, lobbing grenades at you?
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Post by Vall on Dec 30, 2016 15:59:35 GMT
Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. How would you get close enough to use that sword or hammer before being gunned down by others who are using sniper rifles, assault rifles and pistols? Or better yet, lobbing grenades at you? Tactical Cloak, Biotic Charge, Biotic Aegis....
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 16:03:16 GMT
Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. How would you get close enough to use that sword or hammer before being gunned down by others who are using sniper rifles, assault rifles and pistols? Or better yet, lobbing grenades at you? Every weapon depends on circumstances. An open battlefield where multiple enemies have a clean line of sight and are free to use explosives is not a good place to use a melee weapon. The inside of a compound with limited room to maneuver can be a different story, even being fired upon your shields might protect you enough to close the distance between the enemy and finished him in the Romans were doing 2000 years ago.
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Post by shodiswe on Dec 30, 2016 16:05:30 GMT
Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. How would you get close enough to use that sword or hammer before being gunned down by others who are using sniper rifles, assault rifles and pistols? Or better yet, lobbing grenades at you? Superior mass effect shields.... Sneaking up on them... or waiting just around a corner as they come rushing. Being shield penetrating it could be quite deadly in close quarters, one of those monomolecular blades are sure to be nasty once they cut in. Unless the wearer got similar materials in the armour.. which I imagine would be a challenge to accomplish without it being dangerous to the wearer, and very expensive. Offence and fecence usualy goes hand in hand but it's usualy a lot easier to get proper offensive capabilities than a defence that's up to the task. Usualy the best defence is a good offence because then you stand a better chance of stopping your enemy before they hurt you. Failing that you will be left taking a beating til your defences fail. That blade combined with Biotic charge could be a nightmarish weapon, If they survive the charge then you cut them in two, then you charge again. Unless the enemy instant kills you with a similar blade once you arrive and ignores the staggering effect completely.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Dec 30, 2016 16:08:49 GMT
Will wait patiently until a gameplay video showing the mighty hammer-wielding warrior crushing the Andromedans. We saw a very quick glimpse of a hammer in the VGA trailer. The animation even looked the same from ME3MP. Looking forward to it. It seems the battle hammer is more than just a common melee weapon. How would you get close enough to use that sword or hammer before being gunned down by others who are using sniper rifles, assault rifles and pistols? Or better yet, lobbing grenades at you? Tactical Cloak, Biotic Charge, Biotic Aegis.... Charge + Nova is more effective, since it can stun hostile enemies.
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Post by shodiswe on Dec 30, 2016 16:10:43 GMT
We saw a very quick glimpse of a hammer in the VGA trailer. The animation even looked the same from ME3MP. Looking forward to it. It seems the battle hammer is more than just a common melee weapon. Tactical Cloak, Biotic Charge, Biotic Aegis.... Charge + Nova is more effective, since it can stun hostile enemies. In multiplayer that works best for Bronze and silver, after that the enemies start instant kill you once you jump at them, nm that you drain your shields at the same time as their damage has reached levles where one hit will drain your shields or kill you if down.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 30, 2016 16:21:48 GMT
Superior mass effect shields.... Sneaking up on them... or waiting just around a corner as they come rushing. Being shield penetrating it could be quite deadly in close quarters, one of those monomolecular blades are sure to be nasty once they cut in. Unless the wearer got similar materials in the armour.. which I imagine would be a challenge to accomplish without it being dangerous to the wearer, and very expensive. Why would I be rushing to you? If I see you coming towards me, I would place land mines while falling back. Not that I'm afraid to fight, but to limit the number of opponents to deal with. And my biotic charge with a shotgun would be very nightmarish plus I can kill others in the vinicity during the cooldown whereas with a sword, you might get the first guy, but gunned down very quickly since you're not in range to hurt them.
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Post by Vall on Dec 30, 2016 16:22:36 GMT
Tactical Cloak, Biotic Charge, Biotic Aegis.... Charge + Nova is more effective, since it can stun hostile enemies. While it stuns nearby enemies, it also drains your barrier, leaving you at mercy of anyone not right next to you. Using sword/hammer leaves your shields intact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 17:14:22 GMT
Armor that can stop or deflect projectiles fired by mass accelerator weapons should be able to do the same with Kai Leng style ninja swords. The latter is going to have a lot less kinetic energy, even if it is wielded by a cyborg. A person in body armor should be completely impervious to damage from someone who brings a sword to a gunfight. The other issue with swords or other melee weapons like war hammers, is that they are only useful at close range and monopolize the use of your hands. A person wielding a sword or hammer, even if it could kill the person beneath the armor, has to opt to trade a weapon that can kill at both long and short range (firearms) for one that is only useful when you're eyeball-to-eyeball with an enemy. It's a poor trade. There's no amount of writing that can ever make swords and war hammers plausible as anything other than obsolete weapons. Unfortunately the devs are prioritizing Rule of Cool over verisimilitude on this one. Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. That's incorrect. No one would wear armor if it did not provide protection. From the codex:
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 17:14:36 GMT
Superior mass effect shields.... Sneaking up on them... or waiting just around a corner as they come rushing. Being shield penetrating it could be quite deadly in close quarters, one of those monomolecular blades are sure to be nasty once they cut in. Unless the wearer got similar materials in the armour.. which I imagine would be a challenge to accomplish without it being dangerous to the wearer, and very expensive. Why would I be rushing to you? If I see you coming towards me, I would place land mines while falling back. Not that I'm afraid to fight, but to limit the number of opponents to deal with. And my biotic charge with a shotgun would be very nightmarish plus I can kill others in the vinicity during the cooldown whereas with a sword, you might get the first guy, but gunned down very quickly since you're not in range to hurt them. A real life battlefield is not a game a video game. Sometimes you have to capture a spot, or get from A to B as quickly as possible. That are many instances one might find himself having to rush the opponent, and not just in war, it is probably a common scenario in police operations. Also, I doubt many people are arguing to melee weapons INSTEAD of traditional guns. But as a complement.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 17:20:30 GMT
Except armors in the ME universe is not what stop bullets, it's the mass effect shields that do that. And melee weapons would bypass them. So in the ME lore there is room for melee weapons if they are properly explained. That's incorrect. No one would wear armor if it did not provide protection. From the codex: It would have been more clear if I said that armor is not the main protection against bullets. Which it's not. It obviously offer some protection, but a soldier first line of defense is the shield, which a melee weapon would bypass entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 17:24:52 GMT
Also, I doubt many people are arguing to melee weapons INSTEAD of traditional guns. But as a complement. A melee weapon like a sword would replace firearms however, because you can't realistically dual-wield swords and firearms. Using a sword would monopolize use of hands that would be better spent wielding a firearm. Why would anyone realistically trade a firearm for a sword, when the firearm is just as deadly, if not more so, and has much greater range? The only justification for weapons like swords being in the game is Rule of Cool. It's just a question of whether or not swords are cool enough to abandon verisimilitude for. I'm in the no camp, but that's a subjective opinion.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 17:30:44 GMT
Also, I doubt many people are arguing to melee weapons INSTEAD of traditional guns. But as a complement. A melee weapon like a sword would replace firearms however, because you can't realistically dual-wield swords and firearms. Using a sword would monopolize use of hands that would be better spent wielding a firearm. Why would anyone realistically trade a firearm for a sword, when the firearm is just as deadly, if not more so, and has much greater range? The only justification for weapons like swords being in the game is Rule of Cool. It's just a question of whether or not swords are cool enough to abandon verisimilitude for. I'm in the no camp, but that's a subjective opinion. Nope. You can easily carry both a small sword and more than one gun. Obivously, to use one you might have to holster the other, but that's not a problem. All character in ME3MP that used melee weapon also used guns, and the phantoms had powerfu rangedl weapons as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 17:31:15 GMT
That's incorrect. No one would wear armor if it did not provide protection. From the codex: It would have been more clear if I said that armor is not the main protection against bullets. Which it's not. It obviously offer some protection, but a soldier first line of defense is the shield, which a melee weapon would bypass entirely. There is nothing in the games that indicate that shields are the main form of protection from incoming rounds. They are the initial layer of defense, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is more important than the other two layers. The Terminus Systems in fact do not even use shields. Although it isn't always reflected in gameplay it was mentioned that shields are uncommon in the Terminus, so body armor alone is capable of deflecting incoming rounds. Shields just provide an extra layer of protection. A sword should not be able to bypass armor that is capable of deflecting mass accelerator rounds that impact with much more kinetic force. The swords used by Kai Leng and the Phantoms (sounds like a band!) are a contender for the Things That Don't Make Sense thread.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 30, 2016 17:37:00 GMT
It would have been more clear if I said that armor is not the main protection against bullets. Which it's not. It obviously offer some protection, but a soldier first line of defense is the shield, which a melee weapon would bypass entirely. There is nothing in the games that indicate that shields are the main form of protection from incoming rounds. They are the initial layer of defense, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is more important than the other two layers. The Terminus Systems in fact do not even use shields. Although it isn't always reflected in gameplay it was mentioned that shields are uncommon in the Terminus, so body armor alone is capable of deflecting incoming rounds. Shields just provide an extra layer of protection. A sword should not be able to bypass armor that is capable of deflecting mass accelerator rounds that impact with much more kinetic force. It's a contender for the Things That Don't Make Sense thread. But you're make the assumption that people without shields have similar protection. People in the Terminus system might use less shielded protection because they can't afford it, and hence are much less protected. From my experience with Mass Effect it was quite clear that shields are the main defense against rounds, I'm not sure if it's written somewhere or I just felt it was an educated guess. But we know from the game that sharp enough weapons can bypass armor.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 31, 2016 0:08:30 GMT
Yep. The closest I came to using a sword was a bayonet and that was because I received training for it. This is what should happen to anyone who brings a sword to a gunfight: Too bad that wasn't an interrupt during the Cerberus coup. That was one of the best movie scenes ever. You know the only reason it was done like that is because harrison ford got extremly sick that week it was a way to make it easier on him.
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