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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 31, 2016 0:11:16 GMT
Lightsabers are just terrible weapons. The only thing that make them effective (in the SW universe) is that they are being used by sorcerers called Jedi. If you are an average Joe and go in a battle with a lightsaber the first trained soldier with a gun will most likely put you down, if you don't end up cutting yourself to pieces while using it. Just no. That's exactly what would happen. If the clown isn't gunned down, he/she most likely killed by a grenade or a land mine. this is true but it's a game. If you want to get real technical the biotcis aren't a big deal like they are made out to be because while their waving their hands around the guy with the gun is shooting him and moving on. And I agree that light sabers would be a bad weapon in the terms of real life but sometimes it fun to do crazy stuff in games.
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Post by capn233 on Dec 31, 2016 0:47:54 GMT
The type of "sword" that might make sense in ME would be a thrusting / stabbing sword designed for armor penetration, not a cutting / slicing type blade. So think glorified spike, especially if user has power armor.
Also worth remembering that any materials technology used to create the blade can be used to make the plate.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 31, 2016 0:50:39 GMT
this is true but it's a game. If you want to get real technical the biotcis aren't a big deal like they are made out to be because while their waving their hands around the guy with the gun is shooting him and moving on. And I agree that light sabers would be a bad weapon in the terms of real life but sometimes it fun to do crazy stuff in games. Crazy stuff in the game? Then I want my Ryder to run around with a machete wearing a hockey mask. Or have five finger knives wearing a fedora with a striped sweater.
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Post by extremegamer on Dec 31, 2016 1:41:30 GMT
Please give me a light saber bioware. And let it cut through enviroments like it did in the force awakens. Anyone else for this and it can be called something different or some other form of high tech weapon that is melee They better not even try and stalk from Walt Disney's Star Wars IP and hell no i as a hardcore Star Wars fan does not want some stupid game like Mass Effect to have any connection to SW
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Post by Pearl on Dec 31, 2016 2:14:52 GMT
In multiplayer that works best for Bronze and silver, after that the enemies start instant kill you once you jump at them, nm that you drain your shields at the same time as their damage has reached levles where one hit will drain your shields or kill you if down. Only if you're bad at the game. All enemies that are capable of instantly killing you need to 'prime' their instant kill ability first, and once you recognize these tells, it's very easy to avoid being grabbed. In addition, the combined force of a Charge + Nova will stagger most humanoid enemies, and the invincibility frames you get from your Nova are very easy to exploit by canceling the animation with a combat roll or light melee. The Novaguard is a top-tier kit on any difficulty once you know how the game works.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 31, 2016 20:58:59 GMT
this is true but it's a game. If you want to get real technical the biotcis aren't a big deal like they are made out to be because while their waving their hands around the guy with the gun is shooting him and moving on. And I agree that light sabers would be a bad weapon in the terms of real life but sometimes it fun to do crazy stuff in games. Crazy stuff in the game? Then I want my Ryder to run around with a machete wearing a hockey mask. Or have five finger knives wearing a fedora with a striped sweater. Okay you knew what I meant. and for the record one could argue that biotics could do the same as much of the jedi's "force". Obviously I am not talking about when they can tell people what to do and those people have to follow it and stuff like that.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 31, 2016 21:01:33 GMT
Please give me a light saber bioware. And let it cut through enviroments like it did in the force awakens. Anyone else for this and it can be called something different or some other form of high tech weapon that is melee They better not even try and stalk from Walt Disney's Star Wars IP and hell no i as a hardcore Star Wars fan does not want some stupid game like Mass Effect to have any connection to SW I was only refrencing that part because I always thought "what would someone in a rage do with a light saber". Having ryder flip out over something and chop upa piece of the ship would be awesome
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Post by colfoley on Jan 1, 2017 1:10:08 GMT
They better not even try and stalk from Walt Disney's Star Wars IP and hell no i as a hardcore Star Wars fan does not want some stupid game like Mass Effect to have any connection to SW I was only refrencing that part because I always thought "what would someone in a rage do with a light saber". Having ryder flip out over something and chop upa piece of the ship would be awesome So...like this:
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Post by Vall on Jan 1, 2017 2:27:50 GMT
They better not even try and stalk from Walt Disney's Star Wars IP and hell no i as a hardcore Star Wars fan does not want some stupid game like Mass Effect to have any connection to SW I was only refrencing that part because I always thought "what would someone in a rage do with a light saber". Having ryder flip out over something and chop upa piece of the ship would be awesome So you want Ryder to throw childish hissy fits...no thank you
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 1, 2017 2:46:44 GMT
I was only refrencing that part because I always thought "what would someone in a rage do with a light saber". Having ryder flip out over something and chop upa piece of the ship would be awesome So you want Ryder to throw childish hissy fits...no thank you Yeah... cut off the landing gear -No thank you. Also if you want to see such a crybaby fit you should watch episode seven of the star wars movies and I mean ONLY the part where Mr. Hasbeen bad guy is throwing a tantrum with his red cross saber... and still that was more comical than scary.
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 1, 2017 3:02:19 GMT
The only reason I can see a person wielding a melee weapon in a futuristic world is if said person is something like this: Or a person that can actually fight one like this.
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Post by Serza on Jan 1, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
How absolute is your certainty? That is one ugly modification of the original SCAR-H/Mk17. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ScarSandiaPix.pngHere's the actual, out-of-the-box FN SCAR, both the SCAR-L/Mk16 in 5.56x45mm NATO, and the SCAR-H/Mk17 in 7.62x51mm NATO. Yes, the H has a longer barrel in this picture, and the US military appears to wish to replace it's older M14/Mk11 weapons systems. The P-90, INCLUDING it's SEMI-AUTOMATIC version, the PS-90, is a SUBMACHINEGUN to an extent. It fires the 5.7x28mm round, designed by FN Herstal. You may also see them designated as PDWs or PERSONAL DEFENCE WEAPONS. Certainly not carbines. When it comes to CARBINE rifles, this picture may give you pointers: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/M16a1m16a2m4m16a45wi.jpgFrom top to bottom, M16A1, M16A2, M4, M16A4. The M16s are designated as rifles, while the M4 is a carbine. You will notice the difference in length, as well as the fact that the M16 has a full stock, while the M4 has a collapsible stock, allowing it to be shortened further. The stock, however, is not a requirement. As for the FNAR, the rifle may claim to be a sniper rifle, however, it would be much more fitting to just call it a DMR, DESIGNATED MARKSMAN RIFLE, and be done with it. The difference being that a sniper is meant to operate in small teams, often in concealment and to either gather intelligence or eliminate targets of opportunity. A DESIGNATED MARKSMAN, someone who would use a rifle like this, is much more likely to move with a squad of infantry to extend the effective range of the squad. Perfect example of a DMR is the SVD, or Snaiperskaya Vintovka Dragunova (Dragunov's Sniper Rifle). A much better example of a sniper rifle would be the M24 Sniper Weapon System: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/PEO_M24_SWS-03.jpgYou may notice a similarity with the M40 rifle, in use with the US Marine Corps. This is due to the fact that both have used different versions of the same rifle as their base for further development. Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, come back around with the M82/M107 rifles, claiming they would then fit in the DMR category, as these have a different classification. The best thing is, you could've learned all of this from Wikipedia.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 1, 2017 20:41:22 GMT
I was only refrencing that part because I always thought "what would someone in a rage do with a light saber". Having ryder flip out over something and chop upa piece of the ship would be awesome So...like this: yes.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 2, 2017 0:34:50 GMT
How absolute is your certainty? That is one ugly modification of the original SCAR-H/Mk17. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ScarSandiaPix.pngHere's the actual, out-of-the-box FN SCAR, both the SCAR-L/Mk16 in 5.56x45mm NATO, and the SCAR-H/Mk17 in 7.62x51mm NATO. Yes, the H has a longer barrel in this picture, and the US military appears to wish to replace it's older M14/Mk11 weapons systems. The P-90, INCLUDING it's SEMI-AUTOMATIC version, the PS-90, is a SUBMACHINEGUN to an extent. It fires the 5.7x28mm round, designed by FN Herstal. You may also see them designated as PDWs or PERSONAL DEFENCE WEAPONS. Certainly not carbines. When it comes to CARBINE rifles, this picture may give you pointers: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/M16a1m16a2m4m16a45wi.jpgFrom top to bottom, M16A1, M16A2, M4, M16A4. The M16s are designated as rifles, while the M4 is a carbine. You will notice the difference in length, as well as the fact that the M16 has a full stock, while the M4 has a collapsible stock, allowing it to be shortened further. The stock, however, is not a requirement. As for the FNAR, the rifle may claim to be a sniper rifle, however, it would be much more fitting to just call it a DMR, DESIGNATED MARKSMAN RIFLE, and be done with it. The difference being that a sniper is meant to operate in small teams, often in concealment and to either gather intelligence or eliminate targets of opportunity. A DESIGNATED MARKSMAN, someone who would use a rifle like this, is much more likely to move with a squad of infantry to extend the effective range of the squad. Perfect example of a DMR is the SVD, or Snaiperskaya Vintovka Dragunova (Dragunov's Sniper Rifle). A much better example of a sniper rifle would be the M24 Sniper Weapon System: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/PEO_M24_SWS-03.jpgYou may notice a similarity with the M40 rifle, in use with the US Marine Corps. This is due to the fact that both have used different versions of the same rifle as their base for further development. Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, come back around with the M82/M107 rifles, claiming they would then fit in the DMR category, as these have a different classification. The best thing is, you could've learned all of this from Wikipedia.No problem. You seem much more reliable than any wiki in this. So take no offense but I will learn from you. Your choices in the field would be a lot better off than mine. Personally I would have liked to pick one weapon that would fit the rifle, carbine and assault category COMBINED. The only reason I picked the PS90 is that the top loading cartridge is just more efficient to me.
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Post by Serza on Jan 2, 2017 0:59:17 GMT
I just pay a lot of attention and take great interest. My practical experience sometimes appears greater than it really is.
However, if you were to fit the three categories, you would need three different rifles. ARs, carbines and sniper rifles each have a different role, but if you're not going to crew a vehicle, you can often just forget about carbines altogether.
A good example with Russian arms that comes to mind is the AK-74, the AKS-74U, and the SVD, the first two chambered in 5.45mm, while the third is a 7.62x54 matter. If you were, however, to take the AKS-74 or the AK-74M, you would gain a folding stock you can just fold out of the way, which takes a good deal out of the overall length of the rifle.
The Americans wouldn't have a much harder time, as M16s and M4s readily come to mind. The sniper rifle category might be filled with the M24 SWS or the M110 SASS. If you want that extended range, go for the M2010 ESR, or rebuilt M24. Sadly, the sniper manual I actually read through was the Marine Corps', so made for the M40 rifle. This means I can't accurately comment for the M24s accuracy, but the M2010 supposedly retains a 1 MOA accuracy at 1000 meters.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 2, 2017 21:13:26 GMT
Lightsabers are just terrible weapons. The only thing that make them effective (in the SW universe) is that they are being used by sorcerers called Jedi. If you are an average Joe and go in a battle with a lightsaber the first trained soldier with a gun will most likely put you down, if you don't end up cutting yourself to pieces while using it. Just no. Uhm, no, to you. The primary thing that makes lightsabers effective is the plasma energy beam that can cut through anything and deflect energy projectiles that come in contact with it. And it would not take a Force-user to master for sparring purposes, the only unique thing about the lightsaber is getting accustomed to the lack of counterweight in the blade. Is it practical as a primary weapon in a setting with projectile weaponry if you don't have the Force? No, there you are correct. If you wave it in front of someone with any sort of range weapon, you will be shot in the face. Would it be useless or terrible as a secondary, situational weapon/tool? Absolutely not. In fact a lightsaber-like weapon negates all of the direct drawbacks to strapping a sword to yourself "just in case". It's far lighter and more compact, it's push button activated, can be equally effective in both thrusting and slicing and it cuts through almost anything. In the real world a combat knife or bayonet are preferable to a sword because they offer utility without being cumbersome. But a lightsaber type weapon would not be cumbersome in the slightest. In fact the only thing omni-blades/bayonets have over it is that they're strapped to your wrist/barrel of your gun. Except you could technically strap a lightsaber to both those things as well.
It might not be classed as a designated weapon (though on the battlefield I would think anything that can kill the guy trying to kill you counts as a weapon). But if they had the technology to make lightsaber type blades, they would quickly come to be known as "the keys to everything". Need a door to a building or a hatch on a sealed vehicle? Here's the key. Anyway, I think between omni-blades and the ninja swords, they've gotten as close to lightsabers as they dare. I wouldn't hold my breath for anything further.
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Post by Serza on Jan 3, 2017 10:49:46 GMT
Pros and cons, Cricket, pros and cons. Good list, really.
Still not a viable primary, and you would only draw upon it in a situation where you would draw upon a bayonet or a combat knife. Now, last I heard, those are rare times. Personally, I see the advantage of entering close quarters with a pistol and a knife (who would have guessed, a meter-long rifle is not the easiest to maneuver in a building...) but have never had the pleasure, because the rifle is just so much readily available before entering (and I'm a scrub with two-point sling).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:56:08 GMT
I will add my vote pro bayonets and Omni-blades, though I am really partial to the Smash animations. Woooosh!!!! KOTOR-SWTOR are cool, but blending that into ME just not my thing. Those ninja swords were okay, I suppose, but I'd rather have more magic guns and explosives. And, yeah, Omni tools/bayonets.
Light saber also irritated the life out of me anyway, because it is not shaped like one.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 3, 2017 16:01:45 GMT
If an energy blade of some sort were allowed in the MEverse I'd make it an adaptible gauntlet-like attachment. Think less lightsaber and more Protoss Zealot or Dark Templar from Starcraft. You may be thinking, "uhm, isn't that just an omniblade lol?" No, it isn't. An omni-blade is a hard light hologram, technobabble aside. Harder to make plausible and let's face it, not as cool. It doesn't have the cutting power, the deflecting power (which admittedly isn't much of a factor without something like the Force), or the general versatility. And having to reforge a blade on every activation seems inefficient to me.
My lightblade gauntlet thing would be variable length, meaning you could get anything from 6 inches to a foot for quick cutting/thrusting to 1.5-2m lance for surprise reach and making your own doors in things. I would have it detachable in cases where you are down to melee for some reason because you have more options with a handheld blade over a wrist mounted one. I would also have it attachable to some weapons for a bayonet mode, or have a smaller bayonetlike attachment similar to existing omni-bayonettes.
The only downsides I see would be power sources (particularly if detached) and decreased stealth potential as you're essentially lighting up a stream of plasma, whereas steel or even omni-blades can be cloaked. Still with precise quick activations, this would be mitigated.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 3, 2017 16:19:52 GMT
Swiss Light knife sounds great
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