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Post by xelander on Jan 2, 2017 21:16:46 GMT
Reading the title, I thought this was gonna be a "Went for 5WS solo, died on wave 1" kind of thread... Soloing, just as team games, boils down to two things - Survivability and Damage, Inc. Towards the first: - use Geth Scanner - awareness is king. - pick White or Giant - both have decent size, which means you won't be crowded on shitty waves. - movement pattern should ideally be backpedaling around the map in clockwise direction to keep Right Hand Advantage (this is dependent on spawns, of course) - pick Derpshit or Reapers. Reapers will take longer and you'll need to run away more from Banshees. Derpshit will require a way to deal with phantrolls on host and a bit more concentration on Engineer waves. - personally, I'd take a character with dodge - Stim packs mean you're immortal - so the Havoc Soldier and the Infilturian abomination are a good choice. - Energy Drain is semi-immortality - so the Salarians are also a good option. - stagger means mooks won't be shooting at you (except the cheating f*cking geth hunters), so anything (weapon or power) with stagger is good. Towards the second: - High BURST damage offers an excellent balance between survivability and damage output. High damage also means greater likelihood of stagger. On the other hand, automatic or rapid fire triggers mooks' evade animations, which can be useful against phantrolls. - speaking of phantrolls, on-host DR bullshit must be dealt with, so either take something with >2m penetration, or a guaranteed stagger weapon. - Using the Cheesgar is also an option, though you need to take into account the possibility that I'll hunt you down and tie you up and leave you at the town square only in your undergarments. Know thy enemy - familiarize yourself with the wave composition and the health/shields/stagger thresholds you need to break on Platinum: -https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOde_GJ8C0PvIFbaJZA4yNvauFhDzol4ixFu8QCVDxw/htmlembed?gid=3&widget=false# -https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vH5tfMWffOR23piVyZTlUIaobYaENGSAb6HLZ74qqos/htmlembed?gid=3&widget=false Check out the Themed Challenges thread - there are lots of good videos in the HoF entries for the challenges. Watch and learn. Overall, I'd recommend Salarian Infiltrator with either Talon, Venom or one of the three high-powered sniper rifles. Spec 65663 or 46664, depending on weapon. Use Geth Scanner, Cyclonics IV and any combination of Reapers, Derpshit, Giant and White. One last thing - Platinum solos take more time than Gold ones and thus require you to keep your focus for longer. Patience and mental fortitude are required, so prepare yourself accordingly. Now go forth and conquer!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 21:55:07 GMT
Day 2: White/Reapers Huntress Harrier Geth Scanner, AR Amp III, Warp IV, Cyclonic IV Wave 3 fail because surely I can finish that device before that Banshee... WTF lady, you were standing on the counter and still picked me up?! Time: 11:24 Lesson of the day: Running for the first device doesn't work above Gold. Kite, dammit!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 21:58:41 GMT
Thank you! You are brave -- Cerberus scares the living willies out of me. It's hard to shake the goons since they move so quickly, and I have memories of the buggers camping out next to a device so they could jump on my head! I also have a nearly paralyzing fear of phantoms, since I'm used to hosting and they still kill me regularly. I'll definitely try Giant or White next time. If I get stomped too much by pyros and hunters I'll try the Geth Scanner. Yeah you absolutely have to have either a gun or power that consistently staggers enemies to have much success vs. Cerberus (that, or a ton of patience)... but if you do, they're actually fairly easy (and nothing eats through a wave budget like farming 'goons and phantoms). But you ultimately have to go with a map/faction (and kit/weapon) combo that you're comfortable with- not only does that give you a much higher chance of success, you also want to be able to, you know, have fun while you're doing it. One other good idea is to take a gander at a video (or videos) of people soloing the map you intend to use (even better if they're using the same kit and/or weapon)- gives you a good idea of where the good RHA spots are, where the spawns are typically coming from, how you want to move about the map, and so on. This shouldn't be too much trouble as you have some animals like the TurianLady who have soloed every map with every weapon vs every faction... and posted videos of most of them. Usually no need to watch the entire video, but even watching a minute or two (perhaps of the waves you find most troublesome) can go a long way. Yes, I should watch TTT's Arc Pistol solo. If only I could headshot that well!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:03:47 GMT
My first advice is to ask yourself "do I enjoy doing this and am I having fun?" - if the answer is yes then you should definitely continue, if the answer is no then don't press yourself to much to get it done to quickly, take your time. The most frustrating moments I've had in this game were when I pressed myself to get solos done despite not really enjoying it (looking back at it now it seems crazy that I did it). For faction Cerberus in general is the quickest and easiest if you can deal with all the Phantoms and Dragoons, if you use a hit scan gun like an AR I'd recommend the Scorpion as a secondary, it's excellent for Phantrolls and Goons. Reapers is a good option also, with some set-ups they are easier than Cerberus. For map, Gigant is where most people do their first solos, it's big, have good cover and a very good kiting path around the map. White is my favorite map, but it can be a bit tougher in the beginning as you have more risks of getting flanked and attacked from behind. Using the GS is another very good advice, especially if you use a kit with no dodge like the TSent. Collectors are imo the worst to fight, Geth in general are harder but the Collectors for me personally is just a glitched mess that takes all the fun out of soloing. I'll give Giant a try next. My most successful attempt prior to this was Giant Reapers. I got done with the w6 objective but had to leave the house, so quit. I was out of gels and ops at that point, so it was unlikely I was going to finish anyway. Thanks for the goon wave breakdown. I've only soloed against Cerb on Bronze or Silver and on one of them there are W6 goons, I think, which make for a device nightmare unless I'm puggernauting.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:10:31 GMT
Collectors can punish you very fast, so that s not an easy faction for me. W10 is just the worst wave all game. Cerb goon waves are a chore but certain setup makes them easy. Giant and white are the easier map by far imo. Escort and obj are more painfull on white, as kiting. For me, the hardest thing about platinum solos is staying focused for a such a long time. You have to constantly pay attention and be careful on objective waves. Another must have are the abilities/dps for quickly stopping the banshees from jumping and of course, countering the phantoms. Phantoms are dangerous even against the collectors despite them girls being there only in a single wave. My only extraction was with PPR-ACA weapon build with warp ammo. For that solo I specifically did not spec into dark sphere and put everything into weapon damage. I can relatte to that. It s still my problem. But after the first completions i became more confortable with plat pressure and flanking. I remember always being trolled from the flank (hunter or phantroll) on giant reapa and havin gto check it every time i killed an enemy that could respawn. Now i'm (far from being cool along a plat solo) not paying attention anymore, lol. No idea how that goes. Maybe it s just i can react without freaking out to flanking now, maybe i just should still pay attention ! That being said Shinobu , i still havent succeded with either fat turians ! Failed at least 10 times with them. Anyway, as you R going reapa, which is a good idea, you really need smtg to stop banshees in few seconds. Thats were acolyte trooper or cryo CS kits or asari infiltrator are realy good. If u kite a lot, Asari powerhouse infi is a cool choice, cause one clock DC cast can kill almost all targets even banshees i think. Thanks for the advice! Loosing my cool is a major issue for me, especially when I know phantoms are about. It's been over a year since I've tried plat solo and I'm slightly calmer now, so that's progress. I seem to be able to stop the Banshees with incendiary arc pistol, which is good, because in the past I was using incendiary hurricane, and it was not working as well. The one time I tried GT on Giant I died miserably in W3, but mostly because I'm not very good with that kit. Most of the "OP" kits (AIU, TGI, GT) are ones I never spent a lot of time playing, so I never learned to handle them well. I usually hit the stimpack just after I'm killed.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:15:59 GMT
Can only offer moral support here but I'm rooting for you, Shinobu. Your handle can mean patience, after all Haaaiii, gambarimasu! Gaman shimasu yo!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:18:15 GMT
I can only offer my support, I'm terrible at soloing platinum. Currently I only did it once and needed 50/70 tries tu pull off a sucessfull White/Reapers/Geth Trooper. The only advice I can give you is do not loose hope ! If you're still standing it can be done. Thank you! I applaud your stamina! I expect I will need 100 tries or more. It would be awesome if I could do it before Andromeda comes out.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 2, 2017 22:18:15 GMT
I'm not a big fan of soloing, I can do it, but like many others have said I lose focus after a while and die stupid deaths. I tried the usual OP kits for my only plat solo, Claymore AIU and Harrier TGI and, while powerful, there was something I didn't like after a few wave 10 fails with each. Switched to The Throwslinger (Human Sentinel) and got it first try. Acolyte hits phantom threshold of 4000 barrier and primes for FE in the same shot, follow with throw for FE and she is dead. Anything with armor gets CSMG (primes in like three shots)>Warp FE>Throw BE until dead. AoE of Acolyte takes care of any Prime Drone they spawn. It took about an hour, but I was overly cautious and whiffed two nukes on wave ten targets plus I was saving my missiles. I could probably cut 15 minutes off using Armored Compartments and being a little more liberal with missiles, but I have no need. Anything with stagger is great for phantoms, like others said, maybe try a GE w/ GPS or GI w/ Venom as Hunter Mode would open the gear slot and allow for Armored compartments.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:19:56 GMT
I have failed another Tsol hurricane scorpion white cerb solo today. But i gave up early (W3) Yay, other tales of solos! Nice using the TSol, I really love that kit. Dodging is for wimps!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:28:33 GMT
Thought I might give my own two cents, for what it's worth. My first Plat solo was with the Juggy and incendiary Reegar on Giant against Cerberus. Playing super conservative, my first attempt failed during targets x3. The next run was a successful 69 minute Plat solo. Juggs trivializes phantoms and banshees. Fire explosions for armor, hello whipgoons, eats thru the budgets uberfast. It became my regular UUP solo setup and honestly, the kit can handle most anything rng throws at it. Nice! I like the fact that Juggy can calmly do a device while banshees, brutes or goons jump on his head. I do tend to get caught a lot even with adrenaline, though. I did one Gold solo with a Juggy (London Reapers using the BW), mostly accidentally as I had an open lobby but no one joined. I'll definitely consider him. Since it's probably boring for people to hear me doing the same thing (kit, map, faction) over and over I'll probably sprinkle in some other kits you guys recommend.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:37:51 GMT
Reading the title, I thought this was gonna be a "Went for 5WS solo, died on wave 1" kind of thread... Soloing, just as team games, boils down to two things - Survivability and Damage, Inc. Towards the first: - use Geth Scanner - awareness is king. - pick White or Giant - both have decent size, which means you won't be crowded on shitty waves. - movement pattern should ideally be backpedaling around the map in clockwise direction to keep Right Hand Advantage (this is dependent on spawns, of course) - pick Derpshit or Reapers. Reapers will take longer and you'll need to run away more from Banshees. Derpshit will require a way to deal with phantrolls on host and a bit more concentration on Engineer waves. - personally, I'd take a character with dodge - Stim packs mean you're immortal - so the Havoc Soldier and the Infilturian abomination are a good choice. - Energy Drain is semi-immortality - so the Salarians are also a good option. - stagger means mooks won't be shooting at you (except the cheating f*cking geth hunters), so anything (weapon or power) with stagger is good. Towards the second: - High BURST damage offers an excellent balance between survivability and damage output. High damage also means greater likelihood of stagger. On the other hand, automatic or rapid fire triggers mooks' evade animations, which can be useful against phantrolls. - speaking of phantrolls, on-host DR bullshit must be dealt with, so either take something with >2m penetration, or a guaranteed stagger weapon. - Using the Cheesgar is also an option, though you need to take into account the possibility that I'll hunt you down and tie you up and leave you at the town square only in your undergarments. Know thy enemy - familiarize yourself with the wave composition and the health/shields/stagger thresholds you need to break on Platinum: -https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kOde_GJ8C0PvIFbaJZA4yNvauFhDzol4ixFu8QCVDxw/htmlembed?gid=3&widget=false# -https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vH5tfMWffOR23piVyZTlUIaobYaENGSAb6HLZ74qqos/htmlembed?gid=3&widget=false Check out the Themed Challenges thread - there are lots of good videos in the HoF entries for the challenges. Watch and learn. Overall, I'd recommend Salarian Infiltrator with either Talon, Venom or one of the three high-powered sniper rifles. Spec 65663 or 46664, depending on weapon. Use Geth Scanner, Cyclonics IV and any combination of Reapers, Derpshit, Giant and White. One last thing - Platinum solos take more time than Gold ones and thus require you to keep your focus for longer. Patience and mental fortitude are required, so prepare yourself accordingly. Now go forth and conquer! Thanks for the advice and wave breakdown! Will definitely try Giant Reapers with Geth Scanner. Ha, the more recommendations I get the more kits I realize I don't know how to play! While I've used SI on Platinum in a team match, I've never used a Venom on him, only Kishock. Will add to the list of things to try.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2017 22:46:17 GMT
I'm not a big fan of soloing, I can do it, but like many others have said I lose focus after a while and die stupid deaths. I tried the usual OP kits for my only plat solo, Claymore AIU and Harrier TGI and, while powerful, there was something I didn't like after a few wave 10 fails with each. Switched to The Throwslinger (Human Sentinel) and got it first try. Acolyte hits phantom threshold of 4000 barrier and primes for FE in the same shot, follow with throw for FE and she is dead. Anything with armor gets CSMG (primes in like three shots)>Warp FE>Throw BE until dead. AoE of Acolyte takes care of any Prime Drone they spawn. It took about an hour, but I was overly cautious and whiffed two nukes on wave ten targets plus I was saving my missiles. I could probably cut 15 minutes off using Armored Compartments and being a little more liberal with missiles, but I have no need. Anything with stagger is great for phantoms, like others said, maybe try a GE w/ GPS or GI w/ Venom as Hunter Mode would open the gear slot and allow for Armored compartments. Cool, I'll add her to the list! I pretty much never play HSent, just HA with Acolyte, but it seems like the better survivability of Tech Armor would be really useful. Yeah, I think it's less about using OP kits and more about using kits one likes and knows, though I may break down and try TGI at some point.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 2, 2017 22:55:19 GMT
I'm not a big fan of soloing, I can do it, but like many others have said I lose focus after a while and die stupid deaths. I tried the usual OP kits for my only plat solo, Claymore AIU and Harrier TGI and, while powerful, there was something I didn't like after a few wave 10 fails with each. Switched to The Throwslinger (Human Sentinel) and got it first try. Acolyte hits phantom threshold of 4000 barrier and primes for FE in the same shot, follow with throw for FE and she is dead. Anything with armor gets CSMG (primes in like three shots)>Warp FE>Throw BE until dead. AoE of Acolyte takes care of any Prime Drone they spawn. It took about an hour, but I was overly cautious and whiffed two nukes on wave ten targets plus I was saving my missiles. I could probably cut 15 minutes off using Armored Compartments and being a little more liberal with missiles, but I have no need. Anything with stagger is great for phantoms, like others said, maybe try a GE w/ GPS or GI w/ Venom as Hunter Mode would open the gear slot and allow for Armored compartments. Cool, I'll add her to the list! I pretty much never play HSent, just HA with Acolyte, but it seems like the better survivability of Tech Armor would be really useful. Yeah, I think it's less about using OP kits and more about using kits one likes and knows, though I may break down and try TGI at some point. It's nice being able to eat a warp ball if you need to and get full DR if you hop into cover real quick, plus that dodge. As far as the TGI I like the PPR on him, but all his powers interrupt that. I've heard great things about the Crusader on him and if I were to do that I'd probably go something like this or Cyclonic for extra beefiness.
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Post by Nightman on Jan 2, 2017 23:20:21 GMT
RIP to all of you dead bastards. When I solo I cheat....cheatcheeatcheatcheatcheat. I will use the cheapest,most OP character weapon combos I can think of versus the easiest enemy on the easiest map.
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Post by BDaddy1968 on Jan 2, 2017 23:32:35 GMT
Thought I might give my own two cents, for what it's worth. My first Plat solo was with the Juggy and incendiary Reegar on Giant against Cerberus. Playing super conservative, my first attempt failed during targets x3. The next run was a successful 69 minute Plat solo. Juggs trivializes phantoms and banshees. Fire explosions for armor, hello whipgoons, eats thru the budgets uberfast. It became my regular UUP solo setup and honestly, the kit can handle most anything rng throws at it. Cyclonics or Adrenaline? At first I wanted all the shields I could stack on him so I took cyclonics. Cross map pizza delivery was a pain so I switched to adrenalines. Hell, I've even used power efficiency on him. There really isn't a wrong way to go, I think.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 3, 2017 0:42:39 GMT
Day 2 part 2: Ghost/Reapers TSent Falcon/Arc Pistol Geth Scanner, Pistol Amp III, Incendiary IV, Cyclonic IV Wave 5 fail due to Targets on W3 leading to overconsumption of gels, missiles and ops packs, and those stupid pyros again. Time: 40:15 Getting too tired to focus. Lessons of the day: What was yesterday's lesson again? Try Giant next time!
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Post by Clyde on Jan 3, 2017 2:34:05 GMT
I've only done a few platinum solos, but I'll echo Patrick's advice: if you're not enjoying it, don't. If you are, then great, the failures will just make you want to do it more. My first platinum solo took me about 6-7 months to do, because I obsessed over it and just wasn't good enough to complete it. Took a long break from soloing, and when I came back to it I got it done. I took my absolute best character and went after it, that's what you should do. Decide on a map/enemy combination that you're comfortable with, learn the wave budgets and get it down to a science. Switching after every attempt just presents new challenges each time that your experience in previous attempts won't be able to account for. You'll get it, don't sweat it!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 3, 2017 5:26:55 GMT
I've only done a few platinum solos, but I'll echo Patrick's advice: if you're not enjoying it, don't. If you are, then great, the failures will just make you want to do it more. My first platinum solo took me about 6-7 months to do, because I obsessed over it and just wasn't good enough to complete it. Took a long break from soloing, and when I came back to it I got it done. I took my absolute best character and went after it, that's what you should do. Decide on a map/enemy combination that you're comfortable with, learn the wave budgets and get it down to a science. Switching after every attempt just presents new challenges each time that your experience in previous attempts won't be able to account for. You'll get it, don't sweat it! Thanks, good advice! It seems the consensus is steering me toward Giant Reapers TSent with Geth Scanner. I should probably stick with that setup for a while. I'm going to have to start buying packs to get more pistol amps.
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Post by patrickbateman on Jan 3, 2017 6:05:04 GMT
My first advice is to ask yourself "do I enjoy doing this and am I having fun?" - if the answer is yes then you should definitely continue, if the answer is no then don't press yourself to much to get it done to quickly, take your time. The most frustrating moments I've had in this game were when I pressed myself to get solos done despite not really enjoying it (looking back at it now it seems crazy that I did it). For faction Cerberus in general is the quickest and easiest if you can deal with all the Phantoms and Dragoons, if you use a hit scan gun like an AR I'd recommend the Scorpion as a secondary, it's excellent for Phantrolls and Goons. Reapers is a good option also, with some set-ups they are easier than Cerberus. For map, Gigant is where most people do their first solos, it's big, have good cover and a very good kiting path around the map. White is my favorite map, but it can be a bit tougher in the beginning as you have more risks of getting flanked and attacked from behind. Using the GS is another very good advice, especially if you use a kit with no dodge like the TSent. Collectors are imo the worst to fight, Geth in general are harder but the Collectors for me personally is just a glitched mess that takes all the fun out of soloing. I'll give Giant a try next. My most successful attempt prior to this was Giant Reapers. I got done with the w6 objective but had to leave the house, so quit. I was out of gels and ops at that point, so it was unlikely I was going to finish anyway. Thanks for the goon wave breakdown. I've only soloed against Cerb on Bronze or Silver and on one of them there are W6 goons, I think, which make for a device nightmare unless I'm puggernauting. Yepp, and you also get Goons on Cerberus gold objective waves, though they have a spawn cap. Luckily we don't need to deal with them on any objective wave vs any faction on Platinum, the only other wave in the game that have them are Collectors extraction wave.
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Post by patrickbateman on Jan 3, 2017 6:11:02 GMT
At first I wanted all the shields I could stack on him so I took cyclonics. Cross map pizza delivery was a pain so I switched to adrenalines. Hell, I've even used power efficiency on him. There really isn't a wrong way to go, I think. A power amp isn't bad either if you go with a siege spam build, 40% extra damage is nice. Personally I only use adrenalin III since a while back, even with cyclonics IV he get's dropped fairly quickly in a platinum solo if there are multiple enemies on him, especially Cerberus wave 7 is painful without an adrenalin mod.
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Post by xelander on Jan 3, 2017 9:06:52 GMT
A few more notes that I forgot to add yesterday:
Objective waves:
You need to be even more patient than on other waves. You see the timer and you instantly go into overdrive - no, your first job is to take a breath and calmly think about the situation. The most important skill for objective waves is leading the enemies. If you have to operate in one part of the map, go to the other and hold it until most enemies bunch up there, then sprint back and do the stuff in relative peace. If you have hack for example, try to stay for a third or so in, then kite away, then another third and so on. Once again, patience and calm, deliberate action is key. Yes you have timers, but it's a lot more time than you think, so chill.
Target switching on Platinum is severely limited. IIRTC, it's possible only on Collectors 3(which is unnecessary, since it's Brutes) and Derpshit 6 or Reapers 6, but I's rather keep the missile. Most hacks can be glitched, so do that. Pizza is easiest pnce you learn to pizza-run. Devices are a PITA on most maps. Leading the enemy away and positioning yourself in the most protected angle is essential.
Nuking pattern:
Some waves benefit greatly form nuking the first spawn or two (aim for at least 4 enemies with 2 big bosses or 5 with at least one). Since you seem to lean towards Reapers, I'd nuke 5, 7 and 8 and try to have at least 2 missiles for 10 (3 is better) - one for emergencies and one for post objective cleanup.
Some people like to nuke 4 , cause of the Prime and the phantoms, I'd skip it on Giant/White. 5 has 2 Banshees and a higher budget, so taking a chunk out of that budget in the beginning shortens the overall time and requires less mental effort on your part to keep your focus for longer. 7 is somewhat difficult with turrets and a Banshee + phantoms pushing you, so if you can, begin with another nuke. 8 is one of the most difficult Reaper waves, with 1 Atlas, 2 Banshees and the rest Marauders with Phaeston 9000 and phantrolls with palm blasters of doom, so I do my best to catch a big spawn and even two here with a missile. Wave 9 is a cake walk with Geth Scanner and a reasonable way of dealing with phantoms.
Also, Giant is easier for kiting, but White is easier for spawn nuking, so you might wanna take that into consideration.
If you go for Reapers, figure out a way to 1)Stop Banshees fast and 2)kill Banshees fast. Doing damage to their armor bars (so, first, quickly dropping their barrier) tend to do the trick for the first and a powerful weapon is good for the second. Incendiary glitch is also good for Reapers, with all that armor. Once they've stopped, aim for headshots (unless you are using stuff like Venom or Scorpion).
As far as kits go, HSent and TSent are both good, durable kits, put at least 4 ranks into Tech armor for 40% DR and at least 4 in Fitness (you can even go for 6 on the HSent for a 46646 build). HSent has a dodge, which is also to be taken into consideration. I'd once again recommend SI with Talon or a sniper rifle, it has a lot of power with Cloak and Proxy Mine and a lot of survivability with Energy Drain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 9:12:08 GMT
^Collectors 3 and Reapers 6 for targets switching, yes.
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Post by patrickbateman on Jan 3, 2017 9:24:26 GMT
^Collectors 3 and Reapers 6 for targets switching, yes. Yepp, unfortunately not possible for Cerberus, only Atlases on all 3 waves.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 3, 2017 9:44:55 GMT
... Lessons of the day: What was yesterday's lesson again? Try Giant next time! Zen! Meditate your way through the mission!
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 3, 2017 10:01:33 GMT
i failed another 2 or 3 attempts yesterday evening, pizza delivery made me nuke everything on sight. I should upload that as it was ... On the plus side, i remembered i soloed with TSol allready with raider/acolyte agains reapa So i ll switch to Tsent now TTT last Tsol vid also put me in a very agressive stance i cant handle
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