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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 6, 2017 4:29:48 GMT
Day 5 Attempt 5: Giant/Reapers TSent Arc Pistol/Falcon Geth Scanner, Pistol Amp III, Incendiary IV, Cyclonic IV Wave 8 fail because I failed to suppress the spawn in the corner by the LZ and the fast pressure of the phantom/banshee ran me right into the atlas' cannon. Following which I was gunned down every time I got up until I ran out of gel. Time: 66:42 Objectives were devices and devices, which were pretty straightforward except that atlases are really slow to kite. The geth scanner definitely saved me some consumables early on and kept the hunters from surprise killing me. Lesson of the day: If you can't run in the normal circuit, have a back up plan. As I'm not going to be able to get another in before midnight, I will hold off on the second attempt. wave 8 Reapers sucks super donkey balls, definitely a multiple nuke wave if you can manage it.. still, if you're making it to wave 8 with gels left, after 2x devices no less, you're definitely not far off- just need a good roll of the dice from RNG and you should be in business!
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Post by BDaddy1968 on Jan 6, 2017 15:45:24 GMT
I'm predicting that you'll have this done by the end of the weekend Shinobu. You're sooooo close I'm sure you can taste it. I haven't even attempted to solo Plat since my return to the game a few months ago, however, I'm finding renewed inspiration in your endeavor. My equipment is shit, I was almost exclusively soloing before I took a break and had more DC's than completions/failures combined. You are embodying the spirit that drives the competitiveness of what it means to be BSN. Good luck my friend!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 6, 2017 15:49:07 GMT
I don't hate solos, I just suck at it. I also tend to lose focus. I have never even attempted platinum solo. I want to but I first want to do a sub 35 min solo before I attempt platinum. Preferably with kit that is not Huntress, Collector adept and against Cerberus and without cyclonics. Failed there too a few times. Else I think I am not ready for platinum. Wish you succed and then I can try. . About TechnoTurian's solos. She is constantly in red (no shield) , heads hitting with disciple and laugh at phantoms. She ain't human. Seriously, if you are doing 35 minute gold solos, I'm sure you have the skills to do a plat solo. Compared to you I am so underqualified it's not even funny. Come on, do it with me and Qui Gon and Alfonse and MaxCrushmore! It'll be fun! I have done a 23 minute gold solo ;_;
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 6, 2017 20:16:36 GMT
Daily fails of the day on white Uknowln plat TSent with PPR and scorpion vs collector : damn too long CD TSent with lancer vs geth, damn low accuracy and fucking geth TSent with arc pistol vs cerb, good fit ! damn first devices, after 2 full circle kiting around the map i went to missile every intruder on sight, took my nine missiles to clear the device , closed devices on W6 easily. but got out of gels on 7. SHould have stopped after device n°1 but i had fun You still got to W9 without gel, so good on ya! Arc pistol is nice, isn't it? Yeah, quite nice, and for once i didnt feel inci cheese is utterly exaggerated. But my before last Arc pistol attempt with him was collectors, and it didnt felt i was dealing any damage . The sound sucks a bit, and overwhelmed ... i put it partly on the pistol at the time. Wrong.
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Post by srgtcolon on Jan 6, 2017 21:34:23 GMT
Thanks for your well wishes! I've only recently started using HM on the GI because I'm a coward who loves shields. Yes, I remember this feeling not so long ago, but 1) HM only halves your base shields (=shields without any point in fitness). For the GI it is 750, with HM on you loose only 375. A GI, with 4 points in fitness and Cyc4 has 2175 shield, HM on it is still 2175-375=1800, plenty. 2) the higher the difficulty you play the less significant your shield (and health) size is, well, ok, lets put it this way, damage output and situational awareness outweighs shield/health even more on platinum. This is because enemy damage is scaling with difficulty and on platinum no amount of shield will keep you upright out of cover. It is really "shieldgate" and "healthgate" what keeps you alive. These are game mechanics, shieldgate means that if you have any positive amount of shields then a single shot, regardless how powerful it is, will only deplete your shields and damage will not be carried over to you health. Shieldgate also provides a very short (like 0.1s and decreases with difficulty) period of invincibility. Healthgate similarly, if you have any positive health, single shot will not kill you off, again comes with few invincibility frames. Important that both have cooldown, e.g. if you have been shieldgated, even if you regain shields a few more seconds needed before you are protected again by shieldgate. So, practically, you get 2 warnings before you are down, regardless how much shields you have. And on platinum even mooks will strip shields fast +375 or +500 does not make much difference. Why have any fitness then at all you might ask. If you can have ~1800ish shield that is about the amount what a banshee warp ball or an atlas missile does, of those one usually eats a few in a solo and it helps if you don't need to eat an opspack for every one of them. I sucked too, I tried lots of keys but none was handy, I had to bind gelling to right mouse button, sucks but RC is life.
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Post by srgtcolon on Jan 6, 2017 23:01:53 GMT
+ Also, forgot to add one other thing that few people do; when you strip Atlas shields and they're down to armor, shoot them in the crotch. Once you deal enough damage the crotch plate breaks off and they stagger. Indeed, this can be used to buy few more seconds when you chip away the approaching atlas in a good right hand advantage cover. Shooting away the kneecaps and shoulder plates also staggers them. An other atlas control technique is to "show yourself", this triggers the missile launch which also stops the progress for a few seconds. Both can be seen here. Other pest controls: Something similar as above works for banshees, if you managed to stop her she will slowly walk towards you, but if you show yourself it will stop to throw a warp ball, few more seconds to maw at her. Phantom at distance will stop (and put up her bubble) if a "projectile" power is cast on her. (Closer she just does her flip.) So the TSent's Warp, while not doing damage, will stop her, allowing lining up a good headshot. (Overload strips her shields but does not stop her.) For Infiltrators, an approaching phantom, when she is close, but not in direct line of sight, will retreat and seek cover if you activate cloak. And it will stay put in cover for few seconds allowing lining up good headshots. This is best used with Geth scanner and sniping/piercing. ( example) TTT already showed the hack glitch. There is also a little tip to use for short cloak infiltrators for devices. Activate the cloak already when approaching the device, not only when you are at it ( example). Unless you are in plain sight enemies will first investigate the place where they last "heard" your footsteps, e.g. where you activated the cloak and only after that will they come for you, this can often buy you bit of extra time on the device. Once I even had a phantom walk by me while doing the device at the bottom of the central ladder on White, I had already decloaked, but was motionless of course.
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Post by capn233 on Jan 7, 2017 2:22:17 GMT
I thought I beat multiplayer when I finished all the characters on Platinum. But an achievement didn't even pop up. I'd make love to you for that if you were an Asari justicar. If you were a Phantom, I would take you up on that offer.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:08:42 GMT
Day 6 Attempt 6: Giant/Reapers TSent Arc Pistol/Falcon Geth Scanner, Pistol Amp III, Incendiary IV, Cyclonic IV Wave 8 fail because a phantom spawned in front of me and sporked me. Time: 65:34 Objectives were W3 Targets and W6 bottom Hack. I almost rage quit at targets, but then I thought I should go for it since I'm down to my last few pistol amps. I rocketed 4x and missed once, so used 5/6 rockets on W3. Hack was a piece of cake as the atlases and ravagers didn't have a clear shot. Kited once. At the time of death had 1 rocket, 3 or 4 gels, 4 ops packs, and 6 thermal clips. Definitely not as focused today and had some stupid deaths/near misses. Used TTT's advice and remembered to use hard cover instead of face tanking warp balls as usual. Also tried skating a little on my health bar per srgtcolon's advice. I think that led to a lot less ops pack use. Tried standing my ground more so the Banshees couldn't make me run into the back of the train (the atlas). Falcon really shone on waves 7+8.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:12:53 GMT
wave 8 Reapers sucks super donkey balls, definitely a multiple nuke wave if you can manage it.. still, if you're making it to wave 8 with gels left, after 2x devices no less, you're definitely not far off- just need a good roll of the dice from RNG and you should be in business! RNG trolled me today but then made up for it on W6. I think I have a better handle on how to tackle W8 now -- delay, delay, delay so the atlas catches up with the rest of the train.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:18:03 GMT
I'm predicting that you'll have this done by the end of the weekend Shinobu. You're sooooo close I'm sure you can taste it. I haven't even attempted to solo Plat since my return to the game a few months ago, however, I'm finding renewed inspiration in your endeavor. My equipment is shit, I was almost exclusively soloing before I took a break and had more DC's than completions/failures combined. You are embodying the spirit that drives the competitiveness of what it means to be BSN. Good luck my friend! Thanks for the vote of confidence! I wish I could feel the same, but I'm learning that W8 doesn't really mean 80% done. It's more like 50% done. So I'll probably have an adjustment period to each new wave as I learn the composition and how to tackle it. I'm going to need to go pugging this weekend to get some more pistol amps for sure.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:19:54 GMT
Seriously, if you are doing 35 minute gold solos, I'm sure you have the skills to do a plat solo. Compared to you I am so underqualified it's not even funny. Come on, do it with me and Qui Gon and Alfonse and MaxCrushmore! It'll be fun! I have done a 23 minute gold solo ;_; Ha ha ha! My fastest gold solo was 76 minutes! You should definitely be ready to solo Plat!
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:22:26 GMT
You still got to W9 without gel, so good on ya! Arc pistol is nice, isn't it? Yeah, quite nice, and for once i didnt feel inci cheese is utterly exaggerated. But my before last Arc pistol attempt with him was collectors, and it didn't felt i was dealing any damage . The sound sucks a bit, and overwhelmed ... i put it partly on the pistol at the time. Wrong. The snappy sound is a bit loud, but that's how you know it's working! Any new attempts today?
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 7, 2017 4:36:06 GMT
+ Also, forgot to add one other thing that few people do; when you strip Atlas shields and they're down to armor, shoot them in the crotch. Once you deal enough damage the crotch plate breaks off and they stagger. Indeed, this can be used to buy few more seconds when you chip away the approaching atlas in a good right hand advantage cover. Shooting away the kneecaps and shoulder plates also staggers them. An other atlas control technique is to "show yourself", this triggers the missile launch which also stops the progress for a few seconds. Both can be seen here. Other pest controls: Something similar as above works for banshees, if you managed to stop her she will slowly walk towards you, but if you show yourself it will stop to throw a warp ball, few more seconds to maw at her. Phantom at distance will stop (and put up her bubble) if a "projectile" power is cast on her. (Closer she just does her flip.) So the TSent's Warp, while not doing damage, will stop her, allowing lining up a good headshot. (Overload strips her shields but does not stop her.) For Infiltrators, an approaching phantom, when she is close, but not in direct line of sight, will retreat and seek cover if you activate cloak. And it will stay put in cover for few seconds allowing lining up good headshots. This is best used with Geth scanner and sniping/piercing. ( example) TTT already showed the hack glitch. There is also a little tip to use for short cloak infiltrators for devices. Activate the cloak already when approaching the device, not only when you are at it ( example). Unless you are in plain sight enemies will first investigate the place where they last "heard" your footsteps, e.g. where you activated the cloak and only after that will they come for you, this can often buy you bit of extra time on the device. Once I even had a phantom walk by me while doing the device at the bottom of the central ladder on White, I had already decloaked, but was motionless of course. Very cool advice, thanks! I've definitely taken advantage of the ceremonial exchange of warp balls with the banshees. (She throws a warp ball, I throw a warp ball, she puts up her hand, I shoot her in the face...) I didn't know the trick of stopping atlases, that's great. I also didn't know that cloaking before getting to the device gave an advantage -- I've been doing it habitually but didn't realize I was doing a good thing! I sometimes wondered why the enemies would walk past me when I was a sitting duck.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 7, 2017 5:26:13 GMT
Yeah, quite nice, and for once i didnt feel inci cheese is utterly exaggerated. But my before last Arc pistol attempt with him was collectors, and it didn't felt i was dealing any damage . The sound sucks a bit, and overwhelmed ... i put it partly on the pistol at the time. Wrong. The snappy sound is a bit loud, but that's how you know it's working! Any new attempts today? Yes : I died to time on target W3 against cerb on the third atlas. Then Reapa got me cornered for whatever reason and i nuked everything w4 or 5 . i should read wave breakdown again.
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Thank you for all the great advice! I really admire the way you can skate on the edge of one health bar -- it's like watching a highwire act. It's scary, but you're so good at it you make it look like the most natural thing in the world. How do you know when to time the Ops pack? It looks in the phantom gif that you push the button just after she does the slash animation. With brutes do you wait for them to pick you up? I never had luck with ops packs stopping sync kills, so I gave up trying long ago, but this is a skill I really should learn. Can ops packs work against banshee sync kills? I'm going to try to do hacks the regular way, but we'll see how long that resolution holds. In another 40 attempts or so I may give up on that. Basically you time the ops pack right after your character recovers from the stagger. As soon as she melees, actually, you can start tapping the ops pack key, which has about the same success rate as trying to press it at the exact time. There is basically a one second window during which you have control over the character, when you can either tech armor, ops pack, or dodge/sidestep if for some reason you're playing a kit that isn't a fat turian. Here's a video with sound included and the visual effect for ops pack that makes the character glow, unlike in the previous gif: Banshees, Atlases, Scions, and Praetorians all have sync kill animations that are too long to be broken by ops packs, though. Also, added note, I don't see many people do this when they're playing the Fat Turian Sentinel and end up in one of those awkward catch-22s where the only option to keep going is to gel right into the phantom camping your corpse: Tech Armor \ / basically panic jamming/tapping the tech armor hotkey as soon as you gel maximizes the chances that the first frame where you get control over the character again has a tech armor detonation that clears out the phantom.
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Thank you for all the great advice! I really admire the way you can skate on the edge of one health bar -- it's like watching a highwire act. It's scary, but you're so good at it you make it look like the most natural thing in the world. How do you know when to time the Ops pack? It looks in the phantom gif that you push the button just after she does the slash animation. With brutes do you wait for them to pick you up? I never had luck with ops packs stopping sync kills, so I gave up trying long ago, but this is a skill I really should learn. Can ops packs work against banshee sync kills? I'm going to try to do hacks the regular way, but we'll see how long that resolution holds. In another 40 attempts or so I may give up on that. Basically you time the ops pack right after your character recovers from the stagger. As soon as she melees, actually, you can start tapping the ops pack key, which has about the same success rate as trying to press it at the exact time. There is basically a one second window during which you have control over the character, when you can either tech armor, ops pack, or dodge/sidestep if for some reason you're playing a kit that isn't a fat turian. Here's a video with sound included and the visual effect for ops pack that makes the character glow, unlike in the previous gif: Banshees, Atlases, Scions, and Praetorians all have sync kill animations that are too long to be broken by ops packs, though. Also, added note, I don't see many people do this when they're playing the Fat Turian Sentinel and end up in one of those awkward catch-22s where the only option to keep going is to gel right into the phantom camping your corpse: Tech Armor \ / basically panic jamming/tapping the tech armor hotkey as soon as you gel maximizes the chances that the first frame where you get control over the character again has a tech armor detonation that clears out the phantom. I remember canceling an Atlas' sync-kill with an ops pack at least twice (on host, in a solo).
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 7, 2017 11:37:01 GMT
my host can cancel banshee sync kills, maybe only working for Miranda though, my host likes miranda I extracted a semi glorious Fat Tsent solo early today ! 45' Vid uploading
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my host can cancel banshee sync kills, maybe only working for Miranda though, my host likes miranda I extracted a semi glorious Fat Tsent solo early today ! 45' Vid uploading Yeah,your host likes me and i like your host
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I remember canceling an Atlas' sync-kill with an ops pack at least twice (on host, in a solo). I've never personally done it or seen it happen on PC, anyway (aside from the occasional instance where the animation breaks due to the atlas pushing my character model out of bounds on the map), but then, I don't watch that many gameplay videos.
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Post by jmac1424 on Jan 7, 2017 18:25:57 GMT
I just completed my 25th Gold solo this morning. Ask any PS3 person on here who has played with me and they will tell you that if I can solo gold, 50% of the people on here can solo a Plat.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 7, 2017 19:30:59 GMT
I have done a 23 minute gold solo ;_; Ha ha ha! My fastest gold solo was 76 minutes! You should definitely be ready to solo Plat! I am stubbornly aggressive, and I have refused thus far, until this thread really, to actually study a map and wave budget and make a little bit of a strategy. My gameplay has been forged by off-host pugging, which makes me a bit ignorant/forgetful of some on-host advantages and disadvantages. I am now not sure which kit I want to take. Ravagers and Atlas are an issue for Reegar Kroguard. I have Wave 10 failed at 46 minutes. I have been on the precipice many times. Boo hoo for me, I know... I feel like we will both do this, I think for me I have to slow down. Might be time for José, the Mezcal drinking Salarian Infiltrator, with a Venom and Valiant, against Cerberus... On glorious Giant. I will report within 3 hours, or send a rescue team.
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 7, 2017 20:08:55 GMT
I just completed my 25th Gold solo this morning. Ask any PS3 person on here who has played with me and they will tell you that if I can solo gold, 50% of the people on here can solo a Plat. If you have never soloed on Plat then as TNS said once it's a whole new beast.The difference is not small,but not that big except between plat and gold geth.Geth on gold is a walk in the park and on plat is a nightmare.
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Post by Lvca on Jan 7, 2017 21:02:09 GMT
Thanks for your well wishes! I've only recently started using HM on the GI because I'm a coward who loves shields. Yes, I remember this feeling not so long ago, but 1) HM only halves your base shields (=shields without any point in fitness). For the GI it is 750, with HM on you loose only 375. A GI, with 4 points in fitness and Cyc4 has 2175 shield, HM on it is still 2175-375=1800, plenty. 2) the higher the difficulty you play the less significant your shield (and health) size is, well, ok, lets put it this way, damage output and situational awareness outweighs shield/health even more on platinum. This is because enemy damage is scaling with difficulty and on platinum no amount of shield will keep you upright out of cover. It is really "shieldgate" and "healthgate" what keeps you alive. These are game mechanics, shieldgate means that if you have any positive amount of shields then a single shot, regardless how powerful it is, will only deplete your shields and damage will not be carried over to you health. Shieldgate also provides a very short (like 0.1s and decreases with difficulty) period of invincibility. Healthgate similarly, if you have any positive health, single shot will not kill you off, again comes with few invincibility frames. Important that both have cooldown, e.g. if you have been shieldgated, even if you regain shields a few more seconds needed before you are protected again by shieldgate. So, practically, you get 2 warnings before you are down, regardless how much shields you have. And on platinum even mooks will strip shields fast +375 or +500 does not make much difference. Why have any fitness then at all you might ask. If you can have ~1800ish shield that is about the amount what a banshee warp ball or an atlas missile does, of those one usually eats a few in a solo and it helps if you don't need to eat an opspack for every one of them. I sucked too, I tried lots of keys but none was handy, I had to bind gelling to right mouse button, sucks but RC is life. Have you tried left alt? It's the one I use and it allows you to choose whether to RC "cleanly" or omnibutting.
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Post by srgtcolon on Jan 7, 2017 23:33:26 GMT
I sucked too, I tried lots of keys but none was handy, I had to bind gelling to right mouse button, sucks but RC is life. Have you tried left alt? It's the one I use and it allows you to choose whether to RC "cleanly" or omnibutting. Nope, the problem was that it interferes with movement. Also, I long abandoned the WASD keys, I use the numeric keypad.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 8, 2017 0:13:24 GMT
Day 7 Attempt 7: Giant/Reapers TSent Arc Pistol/Falcon Geth Scanner, Pistol Amp III, Incendiary IV, Cyclonic IV Wave 10 fail because I was too impatient and couldn't kite the primes away from the path of the escort (from bottom spawn to top ladder ammo box). Downed 3x and ran out of gel (though one death saved me from a banshee sync kill). Died 10 feet away from the finish line. I didn't know whether to be happy or cry! Time: 95:54 Consumables at time of death: 2 rockets, no gel, 2 ops packs, 6 thermal clips. Objectives were W3 Escort (kited once) and W6 Targets. I rocketed 4x and didn't miss, so: progress! Wave 9 was not as bad as I was expecting because Falcon, though I stupidly got ambushed by husks and phantoms at least 3X each. I really should not have made it as far as I did. And guess what, I successfully used an ops pack to escape a phantom sync kill on W8! I didn't even know I had done it until I saw the feed said "Shinobu taken down by Phantom" or whatever and I was still standing! (I don't remember falling down, but I was freaking out so may have missed it.) Thank you, Techno! I'll probably never do it again, but it worked at least the once! And now I'm out of pistol rail amp 3's so need to buy some packs.
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