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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 24, 2017 9:49:52 GMT
I did all the romances in all the bioware games, that being straight or not. Well not Jacob because the way Shepard talked to him creep me out and some on SWTOR. Most of the good romances are just straight or bi, there are some exceptions like Dorian but Gaider is probably responsible for that. Basically what I am saying is that characters that are connect to the story heavily or have more content related to it, are always hetero romances or bi. For example, Cassandra, Morrigan, Solas, Alistair and Leliana in DA and Miranda and Jacob with Cerberus in ME2, Liara in all the ME games. Isabela and Anders are central pieces in DA2 main arcs. All this makes better romances because it gives characters motivation and dept. Since there is a limited amount of resources it makes sense that those characters can always be romanced by the hetero part of the fandom, which are the majority. And since the reality is that, why not open up things for everyone in a bi spectrum. I am just being realistic really and I do not want another NPC or an annoying character with highly problematic issues without any development that can be discard anytime aka Sera. First, I have to say I got that same creep vibe off of the Jacob / FemShep arc. I was thinking "dude, the straight female options are this weirdness or the dying green alien? Seriously!?" Something was clearly off in the dialog writing for the Jacob arc. Back on topic though, I guess you've convinced me, reluctantly. If there's only so many dev hours to go around and the playerbase is 90% hertero then maybe the best bang for the buck (pun intended) is to have most major NPC romance options swing both ways. If they held a vote, I'd vote with you. But but but GARRUS!! *sees people arguing that characters of their sexual orientation aren't prominent enough while sitting in a corner waiting for a character of my sexual orientation to be included at all* Totally feel you, I consider myself a complete ignorant about how many sexualities exist, but I'm still waiting a prominent character who is demisexual or asexual, I think Josephine fits in the asexual spectrum, and watching how Kaidan has only eyes for MShepard I think he fits perfectly in a demisexual spectrum, but this maybe only me. Not to mention for a prominent transgender character, Krem was awesome in DAI but he was a minor character after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:13:12 GMT
I don't think Kaidan is demisexual. He has a fair amount of dialogue about how attractive he finds asari women, including a line that suggests that he'd be an easy victim for an Ardat-Yatkshi. If anything, I think he's yet another example of a 'bisexual' guy who is effectively straight with a 'I'm not normally into guys but.....' thing for the male PC. And I say that as someone who maintains that Kaidan's m/m romance is one of, if not my most, favorite Bioware romance. But it's clearly just a repurposed straight romance and the remaining, 'Hey EDI is hot! Oh and hey, asari are all hot too!' dialogue just highlights that.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 24, 2017 11:44:50 GMT
I don't think Kaidan is demisexual. He has a fair amount of dialogue about how attractive he finds asari women, including a line that suggests that he'd be an easy victim for an Ardat-Yatkshi. If anything, I think he's yet another example of a 'bisexual' guy who is effectively straight with a 'I'm not normally into guys but.....' thing for the male PC. And I say that as someone who maintains that Kaidan's m/m romance is one of, if not my most, favorite Bioware romance. But it's clearly just a repurposed straight romance and the remaining, 'Hey EDI is hot! Oh and hey, asari are all hot too!' dialogue just highlights that. What I meant about Kaidan is being demisexual only for MShepard, but yeah I believe that Kaidan only found out his bisexuality in his maturity, which happen all the time in real life, every person is a whole galaxy to explore, labeling is always tricky and pointless tbh
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 12:48:09 GMT
(I'm alwas confused, what means "demisexuality". Not jumping in bed with everyone? But it seems just normal...)
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 24, 2017 13:12:23 GMT
(I'm alwas confused, what means "demisexuality". Not jumping in bed with everyone? But it seems just normal...) There must be an emotional bond to the other person to feel sexual attraction. Like I said I'm completely ignorant in the subject, because labeling sexuality is always difficult. Demisexuality may be one of the most complicate sexualities to define because its meaning may vary for every person.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 13:17:55 GMT
(I'm alwas confused, what means "demisexuality". Not jumping in bed with everyone? But it seems just normal...) There must be an emotional bond to the other person to feel sexual attraction. Like I said I'm completely ignorant in the subject, because labeling sexuality is always difficult. Demisexuality may be one of the most complicate sexualities to define because its meaning may vary for every person.And here is the question: why must everything be labeled?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 24, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
There must be an emotional bond to the other person to feel sexual attraction. Like I said I'm completely ignorant in the subject, because labeling sexuality is always difficult. Demisexuality may be one of the most complicate sexualities to define because its meaning may vary for every person.And here is the question: why must everything be labeled? EXACTLY!!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 24, 2017 14:38:09 GMT
*sees people arguing that characters of their sexual orientation aren't prominent enough while sitting in a corner waiting for a character of my sexual orientation to be included at all* Totally feel you, I consider myself a complete ignorant about how many sexualities exist, but I'm still waiting a prominent character who is demisexual or asexual, I think Josephine fits in the asexual spectrum, and watching how Kaidan has only eyes for MShepard I think he fits perfectly in a demisexual spectrum, but this maybe only me. Not to mention for a prominent transgender character, Krem was awesome in DAI but he was a minor character after all. Yeah, the closest character Bioware has made so far to an asexual or demisexual character is Josephine, whose writer has stated people seeing her as those orientations is a perfectly valid interpretation. It'd just be nice to have a character who is said to be that, like how The Iron Bull was confirmed to be pansexual. Mass Effect meanwhile hasn't really had any characters who can be seen as either orientation. Though with Bioware saying this game has more romances than any of their previous games, they may have a character of these orientations as well now. As for transsexual characters, I expect the next Dragon Age to have Maevaris Tilani as a prominent character due to being set in Tevinter.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 15:51:02 GMT
There must be an emotional bond to the other person to feel sexual attraction. Like I said I'm completely ignorant in the subject, because labeling sexuality is always difficult. Demisexuality may be one of the most complicate sexualities to define because its meaning may vary for every person.And here is the question: why must everything be labeled? Why not? I agree that labeling every little nuance to every little thing can get a bit silly at times... but I see it as a way for people who feel a bit left out from the general population for whatever reason to have something to belong to. And a way to find others to whom they can relate. I don't think that's a bad thing. My understanding of demisexuality is this: A person isn't necessarily uninterested in sex (as an asexual person might be - though even that has variation among individuals), they just won't feel any sort of sexual attraction to another person unless there's an emotional connection first. And it goes beyond just 'I want to wait.' I kind of lean that way myself. I find the idea of sleeping with someone I don't know well kind of icky, no matter how hot they might be. I need to have some sort of connection (for me it doesn't necessarily have to be a deep one: a casual friendship with a person I respect will do) with that individual. It's not a moral thing - I absolutely do not judge people for enjoying casual sex or one night stands - I just find the idea of it really unappealing. It's kind of like how a straight person might view having sex with someone of the same gender (or a gay person toward the opposite). It's just not something they'd want to do. Doesn't mean their homophobic (or straight-phobic), it's just their orientation. I can appreciate a hot guy, as I might appreciate a beautiful woman despite being straight, but I'll have little interest in sex with him until there's some kind of relationship there. Hope that clears thing up a bit!
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 16:05:00 GMT
And here is the question: why must everything be labeled? Why not? I agree that labeling every little nuance to every little thing can get a bit silly at times... but I see it as a way for people who feel a bit left out from the general population for whatever reason to have something to belong to. And a way to find others to whom they can relate. I don't think that's a bad thing. My understanding of demisexuality is this: A person isn't necessarily uninterested in sex (as an asexual person might be - though even that has variation among individuals), they just won't feel any sort of sexual attraction to another person unless there's an emotional connection first. And it goes beyond just 'I want to wait.' I kind of lean that way myself. I find the idea of sleeping with someone I don't know well kind of icky, no matter how hot they might be. I need to have some sort of connection (for me it doesn't necessarily have to be a deep one: a casual friendship with a person I respect will do) with that individual. It's not a moral thing - I absolutely do not judge people for enjoying casual sex or one night stands - I just find the idea of it really unappealing. It's kind of like how a straight person might view having sex with someone of the same gender (or a gay person toward the opposite). It's just not something they'd want to do. Doesn't mean their homophobic (or straight-phobic), it's just their orientation. I can appreciate a hot guy, as I might appreciate a beautiful woman despite being straight, but I'll have little interest in sex with him until there's some kind of relationship there. Hope that clears thing up a bit! Yes, this is clear, but the label unnecessarily in this case. I think nobody needs to explain, why don't want to sex with anyone, who not in love with him/her. And if they in love, as I see, the demisexuality's not problem. Not mentioned: this "some kind of relationship" not really means anything... as I see. So: the label only a reason for some debate.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 24, 2017 16:15:00 GMT
I found this model to be really helpful showing the difference between the orientations of the Kinsey Scale, Demisexual, and Asexual. Primary vs. secondary sexual attraction model
This hypothetical model of sexuality takes the position that sexual attraction and desire can each be subdivided into "primary" and "secondary" forms:
Primary Sexual Attraction: A sexual attraction to people based on instantly available information (such as their appearance or smell) which may or may not lead to arousal or sexual desire. Secondary Sexual Attraction: A sexual attraction that develops over time based on a person's relationship and emotional connection with another person. Primary Sexual Desire: The desire to engage in sexual activity for the purposes of personal pleasure whether physical, emotional, or both. Secondary Sexual Desire: The desire to engage in sexual activity for the purposes other than personal pleasure, such as the happiness of the other person involved or the conception of children.
One of the strengths of this model is that it clearly distinguishes demisexuals from both sexuals and asexuals. Most sexuals in romantic relationships feel both primary and secondary sexual attraction. The term demisexual, under this model, tends to refer to people who experience only secondary sexual attraction; this attraction can result in primary sexual desire. Since asexuals experience neither primary nor secondary sexual attraction, they cannot experience primary sexual desire. However, since they can experience secondary sexual desire, this model accounts for the sexual behavior of some asexuals.
Sexual Orientation l Primary Attraction? l Secondary Attraction? l Primary Desire? l Secondary Desire? Sexual Yes Yes Yes Yes Demisexual No Yes Yes Yes Asexual No No No Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:16:11 GMT
And here is the question: why must everything be labeled? Why not? I agree that labeling every little nuance to every little thing can get a bit silly at times... but I see it as a way for people who feel a bit left out from the general population for whatever reason to have something to belong to. And a way to find others to whom they can relate. I don't think that's a bad thing. My understanding of demisexuality is this: A person isn't necessarily uninterested in sex (as an asexual person might be - though even that has variation among individuals), they just won't feel any sort of sexual attraction to another person unless there's an emotional connection first. And it goes beyond just 'I want to wait.' I kind of lean that way myself. I find the idea of sleeping with someone I don't know well kind of icky, no matter how hot they might be. I need to have some sort of connection (for me it doesn't necessarily have to be a deep one: a casual friendship with a person I respect will do) with that individual. It's not a moral thing - I absolutely do not judge people for enjoying casual sex or one night stands - I just find the idea of it really unappealing. It's kind of like how a straight person might view having sex with someone of the same gender (or a gay person toward the opposite). It's just not something they'd want to do. Doesn't mean their homophobic (or straight-phobic), it's just their orientation. I can appreciate a hot guy, as I might appreciate a beautiful woman despite being straight, but I'll have little interest in sex with him until there's some kind of relationship there. Hope that clears thing up a bit! But based on this definition lots of people would be demisexual. I wouldn't bed a stranger or a person I don't know very well or who I don't have a connection with either.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 16:18:56 GMT
I'll post this to help explain. I found this model to be really helpful showing the difference between the orientations of the Kinsey Scale, Demisexual, and Asexual. Primary vs. secondary sexual attraction model
This hypothetical model of sexuality takes the position that sexual attraction and desire can each be subdivided into "primary" and "secondary" forms:
Primary Sexual Attraction: A sexual attraction to people based on instantly available information (such as their appearance or smell) which may or may not lead to arousal or sexual desire. Secondary Sexual Attraction: A sexual attraction that develops over time based on a person's relationship and emotional connection with another person. Primary Sexual Desire: The desire to engage in sexual activity for the purposes of personal pleasure whether physical, emotional, or both. Secondary Sexual Desire: The desire to engage in sexual activity for the purposes other than personal pleasure, such as the happiness of the other person involved or the conception of children. One of the strengths of this model is that it clearly distinguishes demisexuals from both sexuals and asexuals. Most sexuals in romantic relationships feel both primary and secondary sexual attraction. The term demisexual, under this model, tends to refer to people who experience only secondary sexual attraction; this attraction can result in primary sexual desire. Since asexuals experience neither primary nor secondary sexual attraction, they cannot experience primary sexual desire. However, since they can experience secondary sexual desire, this model accounts for the sexual behavior of some asexuals. Sexual Orientation Primary Attraction? Secondary Attraction? Primary Desire? Secondary Desire? Sexual Yes Yes Yes Yes Demisexual No Yes Yes Yes Asexual No No No Yes
And among them there is also a lot of nuances. The label is still unnecessary, as i see.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 16:19:16 GMT
Yes, this is clear, but the label unnecessarily in this case. I think nobody needs to explain, why don't want to sex with anyone, who not in love with him/her. And if they in love, as I see, the demisexuality's not problem. So: the label only a reason for some debate. Here's how I look at it though: for the longest time I thought I was kind of strange for not 'getting it' when my girlfriends would go all 'sex and the city' in their conversations. I would laugh and pretend to go along with it because I was afraid if I spoke up about my personal feelings toward sex I would be labelled a 'prude' or weird whatever. Learning about demisexuality was pretty eye-opening in that, while I don't consider myself a 'true' demisexual, it was something I could relate to. And now it was something I felt like I could talk about openly and, now that there was a label for it, have people understand. It was also nice knowing I wasn't the only one. To me, it was a small thing, but it did make me go 'oh! so there's other people out there like me! cool!' For other people it might be a bigger thing, thoug. I don't really see the harm in it, as long as people aren't expected to neatly fit within those labels - humans are more complex than that, after all.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 16:20:59 GMT
Yes, this is clear, but the label unnecessarily in this case. I think nobody needs to explain, why don't want to sex with anyone, who not in love with him/her. And if they in love, as I see, the demisexuality's not problem. So: the label only a reason for some debate. Here's how I look at it though: for the longest time I thought I was kind of strange for not 'getting it' when my girlfriends would go all 'sex and the city' in their conversations. I would laugh and pretend to go along with it because I was afraid if I spoke up about my personal feelings toward sex I would be labelled a 'prude' or weird whatever. Learning about demisexuality was pretty eye-opening in that, while I don't consider myself a 'true' demisexual, it was something I could relate to. And now it was something I felt like I could talk about openly and, now that there was a label for it, have people understand. It was also nice knowing I wasn't the only one. To me, it was a small thing, but it did make me go 'oh! so there's other people out there like me! cool!' For other people it might be a bigger thing, thoug. I don't really see the harm in it, as long as people aren't expected to neatly fit within those labels - humans are more complex than that, after all. And if there is a label, the people will understand? There are alot of people, who like you, don't want sex with everyone, even if they are very attractive. I understand this, even without label. This is a scale: hypersexual<------>asexual (<---> = people).
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 16:48:50 GMT
But based on this definition lots of people would be demisexual. I wouldn't bed a stranger or a person I don't know very well or who I don't have a connection with either. Is that merely a preference, though, or a need? Have you never met a person, and had an instantaneous 'wow, this person is really attractive. I love how they look/smell/carry themselves/talk.' Perhaps that really hot guy who just served your coffee, or that beautiful girl that smiled at you in the checkout line. Maybe you wouldn't seriously consider sleeping with them right away... but perhaps the thought would cross you mind. Or you've just met someone at a party, and after a couple hours of great conversation you realize you're attracted to them. That doesn't mean you actually would sleep with them that night. There's many reasons you might want to wait to actually be in a relationship, but that attraction's still there before you've made a deep emotional connection. Before you truly care about or love that person. From what I understand, this isn't something that would happen for a demisexual person. They would have to know someone for a long enough time to say "I care about you deeply" and mean it before they would even consider the possibility of sex. Even enough to fantasize about it. Again, I don't consider myself demisexual, but I couldn't conceive feeling any desire to sleep with someone I've only known a day or a week or in passing. I'd at least have to consider that person a friend, or go on a few dates, before that happens. Else I find it physically... gross, for lack of a better term. I can see someone as 'aesthetically pleasing' before that, but that's not the same. To go back to my straight person analogy, I can think the same about a beautiful woman. But I could never feel sexual attraction toward one. Now, this doesn't mean I can't enjoy an in-game romance with a promiscuous person, or, hell, a real-life romance with one... *side-eyes boyfriend of five years*. But it's nice to see characters in a game that I could at least interpret in that way. Or even just ones who prefer to wait, regardless of what's going in with their biology in the meantime. Ultimately I don't care about it all that much (though I do care about being able to roleplay a character like that - please no more autoflirts like with Jacob, Bioware) but I don't see the harm in including a character like that as a romance. I understand why an explicitly asexual character would be a hard sell to most players (including me: I just imagine my character making sad grabby hands at a really hot human male LI who is...), a demisexual one will want to bang you in the end, so why not?
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 16:54:15 GMT
But based on this definition lots of people would be demisexual. I wouldn't bed a stranger or a person I don't know very well or who I don't have a connection with either. [...] Now, this doesn't mean I can't enjoy an in-game romance with a promiscuous person, or, hell, a real-life romance with one... *side-eyes boyfriend of five years*. But it's nice to see characters in a game that I could at least interpret in that [...] A promiscuous person may demisexual, if your explanation is still valid: they can have "some kind of relationship" with their sex partners.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 17:01:46 GMT
And if there is a label, the people will understand? There are alot of people, who like you, don't want sex with everyone, even if they are very attractive. I understand this, even without label. This is a scale: hypersexual<------>asexual (<---> = people). Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I've had conversations explaining my feeling toward sexual intimacy where I used demisexuality as a reference and it seemed to help, provided that person knew what it meant. Not everyone knows the definiton of 'pansexual' either but the fact that it exists and is defined does make it easier to understand, in my opinion. Though even there I know there's some debate over whether pan- and bi- should be distinct terms or not... It's certainly a complicated topic. Also, I think sexual--demisexual--asexual is a different spectrum from hypersexual-average sex drive-nonsexual because the first is an orientation, the second is 'how often do you want it.' People tend to confuse not having a sex drive with being asexual (even I didn't see the distinction at first). One I see as psychological while the other is physical. But of course the two cross over and 'people' are somewhere in the middle. Um... suddenly I feel like I need a Venn diagram or something. Anyway, people are complicated. And we like to label ourselves. Is it sometimes excessive? Of course! But I still think terminology like this can be useful for the sake of discourse and debate. As long as we remember that people don't fit neatly into boxes, and that everything's a spectrum. Edit: for typos
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Post by Catilina on Jan 24, 2017 17:08:42 GMT
And if there is a label, the people will understand? There are alot of people, who like you, don't want sex with everyone, even if they are very attractive. I understand this, even without label. This is a scale: hypersexual<------>asexual (<---> = people). Maybe they will, maybe they won't. NI've had conversations explaining my feeling toward sexual intimacy where I used demisexuality as a reference and it seemed to help, provided that person knew what it meant.N ot everyone knows the definiton of 'pansexual' either but the fact that it exists and is defined does make it easier to understand, in my opinion. Though even there I know there's some debate over whether pan- and bi- should be distinct terms or not... It's certainly a complicated topic. Also, I think sexual--demisexua--asexual is a different spectrum from hypersexual-average sex drive-nonsexual because the first is an orientation, the second is 'how often do you want it.' People tend to confuse not having a sex drive with being asexual (even I didn't see the distinction at first). One I see as psychological while the other is physical. But of course the two cross over and 'people' are somewhere in the middle. Um... suddenly I feel like I need a Venn diagram or something. Anyway, people are complicated. And we like to label ourselves. Is it sometimes excessive? Of course! But I still think terminology like this can be useful for the sake of discourse and debate. As long as we remember that people don't fit neatly into boxes, and that everything's a spectrum. Based on your explanation, the pansexual is a demisexual bisexual. A bisexual person, who need some personal contact for making sex. In my explanation: pansexual is a picky bisexual...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 17:09:32 GMT
But based on this definition lots of people would be demisexual. I wouldn't bed a stranger or a person I don't know very well or who I don't have a connection with either. Is that merely a preference, though, or a need? Have you never met a person, and had an instantaneous 'wow, this person is really attractive. I love how they look/smell/carry themselves/talk.' Perhaps that really hot guy who just served your coffee, or that beautiful girl that smiled at you in the checkout line. Maybe you wouldn't seriously consider sleeping with them right away... but perhaps the thought would cross you mind. Or you've just met someone at a party, and after a couple hours of great conversation you realize you're attracted to them. That doesn't mean you actually would sleep with them that night. There's many reasons you might want to wait to actually be in a relationship, but that attraction's still there before you've made a deep emotional connection. Before you truly care about or love that person. From what I understand, this isn't something that would happen for a demisexual person. They would have to know someone for a long enough time to say "I care about you deeply" and mean it before they would even consider the possibility of sex. Even enough to fantasize about it. Again, I don't consider myself demisexual, but I couldn't conceive feeling any desire to sleep with someone I've only known a day or a week or in passing. I'd at least have to consider that person a friend, or go on a few dates, before that happens. Else I find it physically... gross, for lack of a better term. I can see someone as 'aesthetically pleasing' before that, but that's not the same. To go back to my straight person analogy, I can think the same about a beautiful woman. But I could never feel sexual attraction toward one. Now, this doesn't mean I can't enjoy an in-game romance with a promiscuous person, or, hell, a real-life romance with one... *side-eyes boyfriend of five years*. But it's nice to see characters in a game that I could at least interpret in that way. Or even just ones who prefer to wait, regardless of what's going in with their biology in the meantime. Ultimately I don't care about it all that much (though I do care about being able to roleplay a character like that - please no more autoflirts like with Jacob, Bioware) but I don't see the harm in including a character like that as a romance. I understand why an explicitly asexual character would be a hard sell to most players (including me: I just imagine my character making sad grabby hands at a really hot human male LI who is...), a demisexual one will want to bang you in the end, so why not? I know what you mean but I still find the classification very difficult. Personally, I usually have no sexual urge when I find a person I meet appealing. I can find the person beautiful and attractive, but normally I do not get any sexual thoughts. In rare cases this can happen though. People are often not black / white. There are numerous gradations. And when you put on a label, there is always the danger of classifying someone and restricting their complexity. Of course, this classification also has advantages, because this way you know immediately, what one speaks about and the information content remains manageable. It's altogether a difficult thing. In single cases I'm okay with a demisexual character in Bioware games, who labels himself as one but I think it should not become a habit since there are enough characters anyway that are ambiguous, e.g. Josephine or Anders, who tells the male character that he does not care about sex but the person behind it. What I personally would like, though, are characters who start to flirt differently depending on their personality. for example, that some characters need longer than others to open themselves to the protagonist or to flirt with him. That still feels natural and don't need the label: "hey, look. I'm demisexual. I only want sex if I love someone." You can tell that a person has only sex when feelings are involved, without needing that statement. That's my point.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 17:12:49 GMT
[...] Now, this doesn't mean I can't enjoy an in-game romance with a promiscuous person, or, hell, a real-life romance with one... *side-eyes boyfriend of five years*. But it's nice to see characters in a game that I could at least interpret in that [...] A promiscuous person may demisexual, if your explanation is still valid: they can have "some kind of relationship" with their sex partners. I said I have to have some kind of relationship - again, I don't consider myself demisexual - if I had to put a label on it ( ), um... somewhere halfway between demisexual and sexual? But someone who is 'truly' (for lack of a better term - a bisexual person who prefers men is still a true bisexual, just... well, you get the idea) demisexual would need to feel a close emotional bond first. A demisexual person could certainly be poly too... but I wouldn't call that promiscuity. To me, promiscuity means having (mostly casual) sex with multiple partners. I consider my boyfriend promiscuous because when he's not in a committed relationship, he has no qualms about sleeping with girls he just met or barely knows. For game examples - Isabela and Iron Bull are like that. Though I suppose it's feasible for a demisexual person to have deep emotional connections with a number of people they then become attracted to and have sex with... it seems a stretch, and I don't consider that and promiscuity in the way I intended it the same thing.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 24, 2017 17:21:48 GMT
It is just one of the many ace spectrum labels, it is nothing new. Like pan is for bisexual really, everyone could just be bi, gay/lesbian, ace or straight but that is to restrictive. So there is the need sometimes to have labels that better describe your experiences. I fall on the demisexual spectrum too but it is a pain in the ass explaining I am homoromatic also, so I just go with lesbian and be done with it but that's not for everyone and that is valid too.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 17:22:38 GMT
I know what you mean but I still find the classification very difficult. Personally, I usually have no sexual urge when I find a person I meet appealing. I can find the person beautiful and attractive, but normally I do not get any sexual thoughts. In rare cases this can happen though. People are often not black / white. There are numerous gradations. And when you put on a label, there is always the danger of classifying someone and restricting their complexity. Of course, this classification also has advantages, because this way you know immediately, what one speaks about and the information content remains manageable. It's altogether a difficult thing. In single cases I'm okay with a demisexual character in Bioware games, who labels himself as one but I think it should not become a habit since there are enough characters anyway that are ambiguous, e.g. Josephine or Anders, who tells the male character that he does not care about sex but the person behind it. What I personally would like, though, would be characters who start to flirt differently depending on their personality. for example, that some characters need longer than others to open themselves to the protagonist or to flirt with him. That still feels natural and don't need the label: "hey, look. I'm demisexual. I only want sex if I love someone." You can tell that a person has only sex when feelings are involved, without needing that statement. That's my point. Oh, I absolutely agree that I don't need that character to label themselves as such! That to me comes across as unnatural... and I cringe to use the word, but... pandering? I think simply presenting a character that could be interpreted that way is enough. As you say, we already have had some examples of that already, so it's not something I'm requesting - I'd just like to keep seeing it! Just like we don't necessarily need Iron Bull to tell us he's pansexual - we can just figure that out on our own in the game. Same with an asexual romance - a romance with a salarian might be one due to the nature of their biology. It doesn't have to be called that. We don't even have to assume our protagonist is asexual to pursue such a relationship. But I know it would mean a lot to asexual people to have it included. Or to at least let asexual players roleplay their characters to be, by leaving it up to their imagination whether there is sex or isn't with love interests for which that makes sense.
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Post by fialka on Jan 24, 2017 17:29:16 GMT
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. NI've had conversations explaining my feeling toward sexual intimacy where I used demisexuality as a reference and it seemed to help, provided that person knew what it meant.N ot everyone knows the definiton of 'pansexual' either but the fact that it exists and is defined does make it easier to understand, in my opinion. Though even there I know there's some debate over whether pan- and bi- should be distinct terms or not... It's certainly a complicated topic. Also, I think sexual--demisexua--asexual is a different spectrum from hypersexual-average sex drive-nonsexual because the first is an orientation, the second is 'how often do you want it.' People tend to confuse not having a sex drive with being asexual (even I didn't see the distinction at first). One I see as psychological while the other is physical. But of course the two cross over and 'people' are somewhere in the middle. Um... suddenly I feel like I need a Venn diagram or something. Anyway, people are complicated. And we like to label ourselves. Is it sometimes excessive? Of course! But I still think terminology like this can be useful for the sake of discourse and debate. As long as we remember that people don't fit neatly into boxes, and that everything's a spectrum. Based on your explanation, the pansexual is a demisexual bisexual. A bisexual person, who need some personal contact for making sex. In my explanation: pansexual is a picky bisexual... Actually it's the opposite! A pansexual is a less picky bisexual, where they're also attracted to non-binary genders. And trans people... Though bisexual people can also be attracted to trans people but some aren't, hence the debate over the terms... You could certainly have a panromantic asexual though! See, aren't labels fun!?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 24, 2017 17:35:49 GMT
Without wishing to make fun of anyone, I think I'm a demi-proculsexual...I periodically spend time with my Mass Effect waifu(s)
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