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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 16:30:16 GMT
(sigh) I'll quote even. My point is that I CAN always think of lines that I couldn't say in ME1 or ME2 or ME3. Not being able to say exactly what you want the PC to say is not a problem restricted to ONLY ME3. The larger dialogue wheels don't necessarily mean that the player will have all the lines and options available to them that they want. As I said... ME:A we do not know whether all the "heart" "head" etc response in a dialogue wheel will be a mix of "paragon" and "renegade" lines. They might ALL be paragon or ALL be renegade. How much "diversity" we can inject into Ryder's personality remains to be seen... and will only be determinable when we play the game. (sigh) I don't remember saying it should have to be exactly what we wanted. Did I say that? You better check all my previous posts. I also don't recollect talking about the specifics in ME: Andromeda. And while my point was always about it's always better to have MORE choices than LESS, you took the conversation to an entirely new direction, discussing if renegade was enough renegade, how the NPCs feel about what we say. It was never my point because that is too SUBJECTIVE! Now, I'm not even arguing that you shouldn't like ME3 mechanics or not. I never said that. To be honest, I'd even agreed with you, go check out a previous post. I said Shepard went too far off the rails in it, based on what was previously established by our control over him/her. And that's the problem with most people in online forums, soon this will become a discussion ad hominem. This has gone on too far. This particular conversation is over. How can I put it more directly - More items to select from don't always translate to more choices. A system full of imbedded tiers (which is what was in ME1) vs. a straight up "1 wheel here's your choices" system (which is what ME3 generally had) does not guarantee more player choice in the matter or guarantee that the player can inject different personality traits into the PC. You may not have commented on ME:A specifics. I'm inserting the comments about ME:A to try to get this discussion somewhat back on track with this thread... which is about ME:A afterall. It looks like ME:A will have a straight up "1 wheel here's your choices" system rather than tiers with selections that just appear after this or that is selected or that reappear if the other one is selected, etc. It looks like, for the most part, there will be 4 items to select from on each wheel; whereas, ME3 sometimes had 4, sometimes 3, sometimes just 2... and, again, to clarify - I like the ME3 SYSTEM better than the ME1 SYSTEM... so, I'm anticipating liking the ME:A system, but I won't know how much "choice" that actually gives me until I play the game ... and with that, I'm just going to end this exchange and leave this thread. |
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Post by pdusen on Jan 8, 2017 16:33:26 GMT
*snip* I was waiting for my "ONE MORE STORY" about "the Shepard". God fucking damn it. I don't know why you bothered to dress this post up in that other nonsense when this was what you really meant. I find it kind of dishonest. |
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 8, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
Mass Effect is my #1 gaming IP of all time, but if I'm being honest....The Witcher 3 is the best RPG (for me) ever made, period. Obviously, it's a subjective thing...but the writing, quests, characters and world are so fucking good, it's biotic god level amazing. Since it's launch, it's improved exponentially, with amazing upgrades to UI, inventory, loot, quests and bug fixes not to mention perhaps the best 2 story DLC in any RPG, ever.Oh, have they introduced character customisation? Am I still stuck being an old gray haired witcher? More than one choice of voice? Choice of gender? More interesting weapon choices than a sword and a silver sword (admittedly I have used a lot of axes) Party companions? No? Then I guess it's still just average tier. Geralt is one of the best multi-faceted protagonists in gaming.....just because something isn't BioWare level customisable doesn't make it bad, sometimes a more focussed narrative that's afforded simply because of a creative decision to go with a set main character is the bee's knees. If you truly think The Witcher 3 is an 'average tier' RPG....well shit mate, I don't really know what to say on that front. On a side note, Geralt looks pretty fantastic for a ~100 year old Witcher if you ask me: The White Wolf's been ashen haired since the trial of grasses I think also, it's no old age generic white hair   |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 8, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
I don't wait it to fail, I want it to be better than ME3 and DAI, but we will see in March  Yeah, me neither. Who would really want them to fail, except out of misguided spite? I want them to make a great game. Because gaming is my hobby and I like playing great games. Yeah and for me, as one who plays very few games and only prefers certain types of games, I have little else to look forward to this year. If this game fails, that's pretty much it for me for 2017. |
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 8, 2017 17:50:37 GMT
Oh, have they introduced character customisation? Am I still stuck being an old gray haired witcher? More than one choice of voice? Choice of gender? More interesting weapon choices than a sword and a silver sword (admittedly I have used a lot of axes) Party companions? No? Then I guess it's still just average tier. Geralt is one of the best multi-faceted protagonists in gaming.....just because something isn't BioWare level customisable doesn't make it bad, sometimes a more focussed narrative that's afforded simply because of a creative decision to go with a set main character is the bee's knees. If you truly think The Witcher 3 is an 'average tier' RPG....well shit mate, I don't really know what to say on that front. On a side note, Geralt looks pretty fantastic for a ~100 year old Witcher if you ask me: The White Wolf's been ashen haired since the trial of grasses I think also, it's no old age generic white hair Well the game managed to keep my interest for 50-60 hrs so far. Not half-bad. The game does some things rather well, others not so. I have found that these other things are important to me. |
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Post by themikefest on Jan 8, 2017 17:57:58 GMT
Yeah and for me, as one who plays very few games and only prefers certain types of games, I have little else to look forward to this year. If this game fails, that's pretty much it for me for 2017. Not for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Kratos in the new God of War game. There are other games I'm sure that will catch my interest if MEA fails. I'm not worried |
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 8, 2017 18:04:51 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's not going to fail.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 8, 2017 18:17:21 GMT
Why did you bring the Witcher into this? And you can enjoy bad games, dude. Glowing praise of a heap of shit does not change the fact that it's a heap of shit. I enjoyed most of ME3, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a massive drop in quality compared to previous BioWare games. Judging by the ME:A gameplay they've released BioWare is lagging behind the rest of the industry in terms of innovation, especially in the narrative department.How do you judge the narrative with looking at gameplay? Just wondering...  Through the Nexus briefings. |
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Post by Arcian on Jan 8, 2017 18:31:26 GMT
Why did you bring the Witcher into this? And you can enjoy bad games, dude. Glowing praise of a heap of shit does not change the fact that it's a heap of shit. I enjoyed most of ME3, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a massive drop in quality compared to previous BioWare games. Judging by the ME:A gameplay they've released BioWare is lagging behind the rest of the industry in terms of innovation, especially in the narrative department. I don't think they're a heap of shit. You do. As for MEA gameplay, we have so little to go on that it's ridiculous to make the judgment you've made. The fact that you subjectively like something does not mean it's objectively good. Your emotional appraisal of something is not a credible measurement of quality. I even used myself as an example - I liked playing ME3 but I recognized it for the inferior product it was compared to the previous two games, especially where the ending was concerned. I have even openly admitted that ME:A may turn out to be a fun game to play, but that it will be a bad game purely based on narrative and technical aspects, the way DA:I was. And there is is, the "There's not enough gameplay footage to make a qualified judgment on the quality"-argument. And when more gameplay footage is out, you're inevitably going to move the goalposts to "Well, you need to play the game for yourself to properly judge the game's quality." |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2017 18:40:06 GMT
I don't think they're a heap of shit. You do. As for MEA gameplay, we have so little to go on that it's ridiculous to make the judgment you've made. The fact that you subjectively like something does not mean it's objectively good. Your emotional appraisal of something is not a credible measurement of quality. I even used myself as an example - I liked playing ME3 but I recognized it for the inferior product it was compared to the previous two games, especially where the ending was concerned. I have even openly admitted that ME:A may turn out to be a fun game to play, but that it will be a bad game purely based on narrative and technical aspects, the way DA:I was. And there is is, the "There's not enough gameplay footage to make a qualified judgment on the quality"-argument. And when more gameplay footage is out, you're inevitably going to move the goalposts to "Well, you need to play the game for yourself to properly judge the game's quality." Not move the goalpost. That's what I've always believed. Or, at the very least, watch a significant amount of someone else's play. I even believe in going by ratings of people who have played. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 8, 2017 18:44:40 GMT
Yeah, me neither. Who would really want them to fail, except out of misguided spite? I want them to make a great game. Because gaming is my hobby and I like playing great games. Yeah and for me, as one who plays very few games and only prefers certain types of games, I have little else to look forward to this year. If this game fails, that's pretty much it for me for 2017. yeah same here really MEA is rally the only game making waves on my radar atm. Once I'm finished my current runof DAI I'm thinking I'll likely just stick to the ME trilogy till MEA comes out. Especially given we don't really have to wait that long now. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 8, 2017 20:31:32 GMT
Yeah and for me, as one who plays very few games and only prefers certain types of games, I have little else to look forward to this year. If this game fails, that's pretty much it for me for 2017. Not for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Kratos in the new God of War game. There are other games I'm sure that will catch my interest if MEA fails. I'm not worried I find most games lose my attention rather quickly. The only games I've been able to stick to these past few months have been Fallout 4 and Destiny (primarily because I play with friends). I have Dishonored 2 but it hasn't really grabbed me yet, and I'm about to get back in TW3 but again for some reason it isn't hooking me in like I'd hoped. I'm actually one of those folks that really truly hates God of War. I tried, but I prefer to just have Kratos die and turn it off. |
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jan 8, 2017 20:53:55 GMT
I just finished propably my last Mass Effect I-III playtrough (giving my own first name to Shepard for the first and last time) and I would say that Andromeda might be a disappointment because nothing really compares the Shepard story.
I think ME:A was in big trouble from the beginning when trying to avoid all the ending consequenses and leaving Milky Way.
Well, I still pre-ordered, because Bioware means quality; not a single title has really truly disappointed me. (Playing since Baldur's Gate.)
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2017 20:57:55 GMT
KaiserShep: Agreed about losing attention quickly. Got FO4 and played it for a bit but then lost interest. Same with Stellaris. Same with Shadow of Mordor. Same with Witcher 2. Even Dragon Age didn't quite do it for me. And there are others. I just can't immerse myself in them as fully as I have the MET. I haven't connected to any game series as well as this one. So, yeah, I don't expect to be disappointed in MEA. Sure, the game could conceivably fail hard. I mean, anything is possible. I just don't see it as likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 21:34:44 GMT
Mass Effect is my #1 gaming IP of all time, but if I'm being honest....The Witcher 3 is the best RPG (for me) ever made, period. Obviously, it's a subjective thing...but the writing, quests, characters and world are so fucking good, it's biotic god level amazing. Since it's launch, it's improved exponentially, with amazing upgrades to UI, inventory, loot, quests and bug fixes not to mention perhaps the best 2 story DLC in any RPG, ever.Oh, have they introduced character customisation? Am I still stuck being an old gray haired witcher? More than one choice of voice? Choice of gender? More interesting weapon choices than a sword and a silver sword (admittedly I have used a lot of axes) Party companions? No? Then I guess it's still just average tier. Average tier? None of those things you listed are necessary to making a good RPG. They may be features you prefer in an RPG, but personal preferences don't determine whether or not a game is good. I didn't like Skyrim. Sandbox games where the open world is the focus rather than the characters that inhabit that world just don't appeal to me at all. I recognize however that a lot of people do like sandbox RPGs, and Skyrim gave them what they wanted in spades. I may not have liked Skyrim, but I can't deny that it was a good game that millions of other gamers loved. The Witcher likewise, was a great game, whether or not it had features that appealed to you. Most of the players who were looking forward to The Witcher 3 before release (and let's be honest...that wasn't you) loved the game. DA:I on the other hand, disappointed a lot of people who were looking forward to it. Granted a lot players also loved it, but the reaction was much more mixed than the reaction to TW3. I think it would be fair to say then that CD Projekt Red was more successful with what they set out to do than DA:I's devs. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 8, 2017 21:37:20 GMT
KaiserShep : Agreed about losing attention quickly. Got FO4 and played it for a bit but then lost interest. Same with Stellaris. Same with Shadow of Mordor. Same with Witcher 2. Even Dragon Age didn't quite do it for me. And there are others. I just can't immerse myself in them as fully as I have the MET. I haven't connected to any game series as well as this one. So, yeah, I don't expect to be disappointed in MEA. Sure, the game could conceivably fail hard. I mean, anything is possible. I just don't see it as likely. Agreed they could conceivably fail I doubt they will though as in general Bioware's games in general achieve what they set out too.For me the only game that I'd asy tha thas maybe fell slightly short for me in recent years was DA2 and to me that was only slightly and probably because it was rushed aside from that I think most of their games were spot on. Even ME3 despite it's flawed endings was pretty solid as far as I'm concerned which is why I still play it in fact just cured the genophage again for my good buddy Wrex. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 21:59:57 GMT
Soooo, some people are actually sad that there will be no Season Pass for MEA.. Oh Maker, it's the end of the world..  |
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2017 22:40:27 GMT
Oh, have they introduced character customisation? Am I still stuck being an old gray haired witcher? More than one choice of voice? Choice of gender? More interesting weapon choices than a sword and a silver sword (admittedly I have used a lot of axes) Party companions? No? Then I guess it's still just average tier. Average tier? None of those things you listed are necessary to making a good RPG. They may be features you prefer in an RPG, but personal preferences don't determine whether or not a game is good. I didn't like Skyrim. Sandbox games where the open world is the focus rather than the characters that inhabit that world just don't appeal to me at all. I recognize however that a lot of people do like sandbox RPGs, and Skyrim gave them what they wanted in spades. I may not have liked Skyrim, but I can't deny that it was a good game that millions of other gamers loved. The Witcher likewise, was a great game, whether or not it had features that appealed to you. Most of the players who were looking forward to The Witcher 3 before release (and let's be honest...that wasn't you) loved the game. DA:I on the other hand, disappointed a lot of people who were looking forward to it. Granted a lot players also loved it, but the reaction was much more mixed than the reaction to TW3. I think it would be fair to say then that CD Projekt Red was more successful with what they set out to do than DA:I's devs. What makes a good game is subjective. It just means that a lot of people loved Skyrim and the Witcher 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 23:19:39 GMT
ME:A will not have a season pass.
Which is a reason to belive EA and BioWare take this game really seriously.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 8, 2017 23:19:57 GMT
What makes a good game is subjective. It just means that a lot of people loved Skyrim and the Witcher 3. Would you say that what makes a good movie is also subjective? That one can say Transformers is better than The Godfather and that's valid? |
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2017 23:22:16 GMT
What makes a good game is subjective. It just means that a lot of people loved Skyrim and the Witcher 3. Would you say that what makes a good movie is also subjective? That one can say Transformers is better than The Godfather and that's valid? If they think it is sure. I'll raise an eyebrow at it but I'm not going to be judgmental. If they prefer Transformers and think Godfather is not a good movie then that's them. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 8, 2017 23:24:37 GMT
Would you say that what makes a good movie is also subjective? That one can say Transformers is better than The Godfather and that's valid? If they think it is sure. I'll raise an eyebrow at it but I'm not going to be judgmental. If they prefer Transformers and think Godfather is not a good movie then that's them. Hm, but I believe there is a difference between what you prefer and what is better. I agree that everyone can enjoy whatever they want the way they want, but to answer the question "what mvoie is better", indeed, "what game is better", can be reached in a more... scientific way. |
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Post by colfoley on Jan 8, 2017 23:27:40 GMT
If they think it is sure. I'll raise an eyebrow at it but I'm not going to be judgmental. If they prefer Transformers and think Godfather is not a good movie then that's them. Hm, but I believe there is a difference between what you prefer and what is better. I agree that everyone can enjoy whatever they want the way they want, but to answer the question "what mvoie is better", indeed, "what game is better", can be reached in a more... scientific way. How do we go about doing so? I hated the god father. Worse movie I've ever seen. |
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2017 23:27:48 GMT
If they think it is sure. I'll raise an eyebrow at it but I'm not going to be judgmental. If they prefer Transformers and think Godfather is not a good movie then that's them. Hm, but I believe there is a difference between what you prefer and what is better. I agree that everyone can enjoy whatever they want the way they want, but to answer the question "what mvoie is better", indeed, "what game is better", can be reached in a more... scientific way. Eh, there are many factors in what makes game or a movie "good" I just don't think there's an objective way to put it. We can come close or argue our positions on good pieces of entertainment, but I believe it comes down to preference. |
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