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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 15, 2017 2:49:21 GMT
Geralt & Co. push some buttons up in here man, fuck me sideways..... Mass Effect and The Witcher are my 2 favourite RPG franchises, never did I know until today that there was such a bitter underbelly of resentment and stabbery in the background There is this weird brand loyalty to Bioware among some DA fans where any mention of CD Projekt Red or The Witcher 3 triggers them. Granted this thread was a shitpost intended to provoke a an angry reaction, but even on the old boards in the Witcher 3 thread, you had a few Bioware fans who'd pop in occasionally to bash the game or ramble about how DA:I was supposedly superior, despite admitting to having never played The Witcher 3. It was really bizarre. To be fair, maybe a similar thing goes on at CD Projekt Red's forums and you have people saying Bioware's games blow without having played them. I don't post there, so I have no idea. On the BSN however I found the people who thought the Witcher 3 was better than DA:I to be a more reasonable crowd overall, minus the occasional troll, because at least their opinion was formed after having played both games. A lot of the BSN's 'TW3 sucks' crowd never played it. I just do not understand brand loyalty at all. The only thing either Bioware or CD Projekt Red cares about it is separating consumers from their cash. That's it, so why give either of them blind loyalty? On that note I hope both Andromeda and Cyberpunk 2077 are equally great games, so the people who bought them get their money's worth. Yeah same here I do like the Witcher games or at least what I've experienced of them but I just feel it depends on what you prefer and your taste. As much as I think the Witcher games look and play good of the 2 I prefer Bioware's games because I prefer their stories and the mechanics Bioware's games use more as I prefer the team based combat other than fighting alone all the time. For the most part I prefer the companions and the party banter as you explore the worlds as well. So for me Bioware has got that nailed. The witcher series is intriguing in it's own way too with the various things going on there and it too like Bioware's games looks like a good story so as I said it's down to what the player prefers. But for me I find the mechanics a little moer confusing and I kind of miss having party banter and the working as a team part to resolve a crisis that Bioware's games have.
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Post by pixiqui on Jan 15, 2017 2:53:33 GMT
It makes sense for people to be skeptical and I dont blame them, although im more on the optimistic side, im still skeptical myself and im gonna keep my expectations low. Between mass effect 3's ending, dragon age inquisition, dragon age 2, bioware's new direction of games pandering to a more casual audience plus lacking some former rpg elements in their most recent games, it makes sense. Once a gaming company makes big mistakes and majorly disappoints fans, its hard to win back that trust. Same thing happened with the sims fan base when simcity and sims 4 came out, alot fans are gonna be really skeptical when the next title comes out because maxis lost alot of the fans trust. So thats whats going on wih the mass effect fan base at the moment in other words bioware has some making up to do. Im sure andromeda will have to be really good or amazing for people to really trust bioware again. So theres nothing wrong with being skeptical or pessimistic, Its just annoying when people are negative about every little thing though, just makes you come off as a negative nancy. How is anything about Dragon Age Inquisition, or ME A 'casual' both games represent serious, serious, serious time commitments. I didnt say mass effect andromeda was casual, I cant make that judgment because it didnt come out yet, i said bioware's most recent games, meaning dai, da2 and mass effect 3 felt to me at least, like pandering to more causal fans in terms of losing some of the rpg elements that were in their older games and favoring more fast paced and less tactical combat to please a wider audience, thats what I mean.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 2:57:25 GMT
How is anything about Dragon Age Inquisition, or ME A 'casual' both games represent serious, serious, serious time commitments. I didnt say mass effect andromeda was casual, I cant make that judgment because it didnt come out yet, i said bioware's most recent games, meaning dai, da2 and mass effect 3 felt to me at least, like pandering to more causal fans in terms of losing some of the rpg elements that were in their older games and favoring more fast paced and less tactical combat to please a wider audience, thats what I mean. While I disagree, especially about DA 2, well argued.
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Post by Double02 on Jan 15, 2017 3:00:33 GMT
It won't bomb and there's still time for more to see prior to launch.
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Post by pixiqui on Jan 15, 2017 3:04:53 GMT
I didnt say mass effect andromeda was casual, I cant make that judgment because it didnt come out yet, i said bioware's most recent games, meaning dai, da2 and mass effect 3 felt to me at least, like pandering to more causal fans in terms of losing some of the rpg elements that were in their older games and favoring more fast paced and less tactical combat to please a wider audience, thats what I mean. While I disagree, especially about DA 2, well argued. Dont get me wrong though, i enjoyed all three games, DA2 and origins are my favorite of the dragon age games and i liked ME3 dispite the ending, But i understand why people are critical of those 3 particular games.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 15, 2017 3:06:58 GMT
Bomb? Nope. Don't think so. It will probably outgross DAI since there's bigger install base and it's Mass Effect, after all. Many are waiting for this. Consoles will sell the game much better as usual, with PC at the bottom.
There you go.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 3:22:14 GMT
Its a combination of things, but mostly its the EA-fication of Bioware. The reasons include: 1. ME3 ending, and for some people the entirety of the game. 2. DA2 for its rushed state, and DA:I for its overcompensation for DA2 and over-ambitiousness which leads to a game which is wide but not deep. 3. The lead writer. 4. "SJW pandering", the inclusion of Krem in DA:I apparently triggered people. 5. Many people leaving the company. 6. The too quiet marketing, which suggests that the game has a troubled development. 7. The story which is a clear attempt of bypassing the ME3 ending debacle. And there are the people that nitpick and rage on absolutely minor stuff like Peebee's eyebrows or Sara's wonky face animations and extrapolate from there that the game will be shit. I'm looking forward to ME:A. I don't expect it to be the best game ever, but I expect it to give me many hours of fun like DA:I did despite it's flaws. 1. I think it's clear ME3 was rushed It seems Bioware has learned from their mistake 2. Same as #1 3. The one that left the company? What about him? 4. I hear this a lot two, What classifies as "SJW Pandering"? Having gay characters and gay relationships as a choice in your game is by no means SJW pandering. Honestly the Mass Efffect series has been pretty politically incorrect a lot. 5. Having turn over isn't always a bad thing 6. I think Bioware is just going the anti-hype route. Creating too much hype can be a bad thing, although I do think they should be giving more info. 7. Not really if you look into it, it started between ME2 and ME3.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 3:23:57 GMT
No one here is a casual player. So, on "NeoBSN" it's difficult to access what a real casual ME player might think of MEA.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 3:42:18 GMT
No one here is a casual player. So, on "NeoBSN" it's difficult to access what a real casual ME player might think of MEA. Never got how appealing to casual gamers was a bad thing. Most gamers are casual gamers.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 3:45:43 GMT
No one here is a casual player. So, on "NeoBSN" it's difficult to access what a real casual ME player might think of MEA. Never got how appealing to casual gamers was a bad thing. Most gamers are casual gamers. Hell by some definitions I am probably a casual gamer these days. I usually only buy one or two games a year but then play the crap out of them.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 3:47:59 GMT
Never got how appealing to casual gamers was a bad thing. Most gamers are casual gamers. Hell by some definitions I am probably a casual gamer these days. I usually only buy one or two games a year but then play the crap out of them. Yeah I'm pretty casual. Currently Horizon Zero Dawn, Red Dead Redemption 2 and this game are the only 3 games I'm really interested in this year, but that could change.
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Post by derrame on Jan 15, 2017 4:08:47 GMT
simple: previous bioware game had way too many flaws: DA:I boring exploration, boring combat, boring story, boring maps, boyish and ugly romance options for male inquisitor ME3: unfinished, the scond half of the game makes no sense, the ending is just an insult to players, fans, us, everyone in the galaxy, it's a middle finger, a punch in aour face, and the next game: MEA, developd by bioware, the same people,...
i'm not pessimistic, but expectations are more realistic this time, im sure the game will be very good, but some of previous flaws will be there, i'm sure of it
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 15, 2017 4:09:21 GMT
Geralt & Co. push some buttons up in here man, fuck me sideways..... Mass Effect and The Witcher are my 2 favourite RPG franchises, never did I know until today that there was such a bitter underbelly of resentment and stabbery in the background There is this weird brand loyalty to Bioware among some DA fans where any mention of CD Projekt Red or The Witcher 3 triggers them. Granted this thread was a shitpost intended to provoke a an angry reaction, but even on the old boards in the Witcher 3 thread, you had a few Bioware fans who'd pop in occasionally to bash the game or ramble about how DA:I was supposedly superior, despite admitting to having never played The Witcher 3. It was really bizarre. To be fair, maybe a similar thing goes on at CD Projekt Red's forums and you have people saying Bioware's games blow without having played them. I don't post there, so I have no idea. On the BSN however I found the people who thought the Witcher 3 was better than DA:I to be a more reasonable crowd overall, minus the occasional troll, because at least their opinion was formed after having played both games. A lot of the BSN's 'TW3 sucks' crowd never played it. I just do not understand brand loyalty at all. The only thing either Bioware or CD Projekt Red cares about it is separating consumers from their cash. That's it, so why give either of them blind loyalty? On that note I hope both Andromeda and Cyberpunk 2077 are equally great games, so the people who bought them get their money's worth. Where is the super like button when you need it? Brilliant post that sums up my confusion on the matter perfectly: I was just so baffled as to why people would bash a game without having played it, also I hardly ever posted on the old BSN so didn't know the background of triggering that has gone on before, thanks for clearing that up How lucky are we as gamers to have so many good RPG devs in full steam mode right now? Not long ago, in the deep role playing game decline of the early-mid 2000s, people had branded the genre nigh on dead, along with PC gaming in general (lol). Now it's the hottest ticket in town outside of annual FPS franchises, and PC gaming is the biggest it's ever been by a long way....god damn, I love when things turn out good! The heavyweights are all in heavy development of multiple IPs, BioWare, CDPR and Bethesda have multiple new RPGs on the way, and Obsidian has amazing Isometric style delights along with Larian and InXile....then there's the huge resurgence of JRPGs of late with FFXV and Persona 5 leading the charge and a ton of Soulsborne style games in development like Nioh, Nier2 and FromSoftware's new IP...holy shit folks, this is the incline of all inclines!
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 15, 2017 4:25:27 GMT
Ok. I will define it: Merriam-Webster defines CORE as it relates here: "A basic, essential, or enduring part (as of an individual, a class, or an entity)" Merriam-Webster defines FANBASE as it relates here: "A group of fans for a particular sport or team" So a core fanbase in this regard is an enduring group of fans that are essential to the entity known as the series: Mass Effect. Then that definition looses all meaning in the current because that definition could then extend to anyone who buys the game, considering ME A will probably need all the sails it can get to be considered A. A success by EA and B. ensure future DLC or installments in the franchise. I doubt very highly that definition looses all meaning. More likely than not I am as always being misunderstood again *sigh*. ALSO enduring means to have lasting, durable staying presence. Remember that my definition above is the definition of a core fanbase: Those who; -no matter the troubles and tribulations stay, ENDURE with the series. It is these fans that are Essential to the survival of the Entity or the series. It is these fans who want to see another game in the series more than the casual care. It is these that are the ones who are the core of the fan base and has such a liking of the series to want and maybe even desire a continuation. Your statement seems to indicate that my definition falls under the other umbrella known as the casual fan: Definition of casual: lacking a high degree of interest or devotionIn other words the casual fan is someone who shows a slight interest. Maybe even a passing only interest in the entity/series known as Mass Effect. They can help but are not integral to the series survival. They may want another chapter in the series or they may not. For to them it does not matter one way or the other. This is the intended reference I was trying to interweave. Your statement inclines that of the casual fan is more important than the core fan and if that is the assumption you reached I apologize for the confusion. As to ME:A being a success I have no doubt that it will succeed in being a major one. If for no other reason than that it has been FIVE years since ME3 debacle. A LOT of new teenagers have become adults over that time bringing new blood to the franchise... my siblings...3 of them included. As to the game having to be a success for DLC sales that is not always accurate. For all its outrage the ME3 debacle did cause the expanded cut ending free DLC (albeit far from what most people wanted). I am sure that is not to what you are referring there either probably more along the lines of DLC story and weapons. Alas though: To Each Their Own.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 15, 2017 4:25:41 GMT
As far as the idiocy of the AI is concerned. I think its in this case its intentional. The difference between good writing and bad writing when it comes to logical inconsitencies is if the narrative, or people in the narrative can call it out for its BS. We could not call the Catlyst out on its bs, hence why the ending of ME 3 remains bad writing. Correct me if I am wrong but you could at least shoot the Catlyst so that at least counts for something as far as I am concerned.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 4:28:34 GMT
As far as the idiocy of the AI is concerned. I think its in this case its intentional. The difference between good writing and bad writing when it comes to logical inconsitencies is if the narrative, or people in the narrative can call it out for its BS. We could not call the Catlyst out on its bs, hence why the ending of ME 3 remains bad writing. Correct me if I am wrong but you could at least shoot the Catlyst so that at least counts for something as far as I am concerned. True, you could also refuse it, but really, in neither case Shepard didn't have the opprotunity to try and prove the Catalyst wrong just kind of limply waved the white flag. Which granted the speech was pretty frickin epic, but no attempt to challenge the Catalyst's logic.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 15, 2017 4:28:41 GMT
I was like wtf is the Manveer Heir thing, is this some kind of new concept of edgyness? than I read that link and just laugh so much, holyshit is this how you trigger white people? I feel nothing. His twitter is really low key, unless I am missing something.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 15, 2017 4:37:59 GMT
Because BioWare is held to ridiculously high standards. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
For a game than can cost 79 -- >100+ dollars? You bet your azz expectations are high. And, as someone else posted way up thread, Bio needs to nail this one to erase the ME3 ending fiasco and prove once again, they can write good stories.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 15, 2017 4:52:47 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but you could at least shoot the Catlyst so that at least counts for something as far as I am concerned. True, you could also refuse it, but really, in neither case Shepard didn't have the opprotunity to try and prove the Catalyst wrong just kind of limply waved the white flag. Which granted the speech was pretty frickin epic, but no attempt to challenge the Catalyst's logic. I always looked at that "thing" as the very last "true" Reaper of its species who had proceeded to turn its kindred into their current state with the mandate of collecting information and sending to it for it to ingest and add to its knowledgebase. This along with time mutated it into a sort of ... Reaper AI basically due to the information gained from its brethren reapers as they culled the galaxy every cycle. Storing this collected data on every destroyed and harvested species within itself and integrating said knowledge into its being and has been doing this same thing for millions upon millions of years. This led where it usually does: This AI Reaper went beyond the insane of even its own species. With that said I take solace in the fact that everything it says is complete and utter insane rhetoric. So anything Shepard would have said would be far more intelligent and on any grounds he at least wins the intellectual debate. I also take the solace in that gun shot hit the things memory core so in time it will not know what it is anymore and will fade to a distant faint of an echo of the chaos that it caused in the first place.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 15, 2017 4:59:05 GMT
I was like wtf is the Manveer Heir thing, is this some kind of new concept of edgyness? than I read that link and just laugh so much, holyshit is this how you trigger white people? I feel nothing. His twitter is really low key, unless I am missing something. For some reason I smell this as a PR tactic. Was he there before the ME3 debacle?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 5:02:48 GMT
I was like wtf is the Manveer Heir thing, is this some kind of new concept of edgyness? than I read that link and just laugh so much, holyshit is this how you trigger white people? I feel nothing. His twitter is really low key, unless I am missing something. For some reason I smell this as a PR tactic. Was he there before the ME3 debacle? I wanna say he was. If not then then shortly thereafter.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 15, 2017 5:13:26 GMT
For some reason I smell this as a PR tactic. Was he there before the ME3 debacle? I wanna say he was. If not then then shortly thereafter. Hmm. I hope I am wrong. If he was there before ME3 debacle then this theory may be incorrect. Alas though if he was not then it could be correct. People who venture big time hate towards others usually in-case of disaster are held as scapegoats. Last time it was Hudson and the founders who got the blame since most of the hate of the fans didn't know who to really focus on; they focused on them. Now there is someone there at Bioware who tries to spurn one specific group who also alienates others by same methods could make him target by default. Not trying to insinuate anything just trying to advise caution.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 5:15:33 GMT
I wanna say he was. If not then then shortly thereafter. Hmm. I hope I am wrong. If he was there before ME3 debacle then this theory may be incorrect. Alas though if he was not then it could be correct. People who venture big time hate towards others usually in-case of disaster are held as scapegoats. Last time it was Hudson and the founders who got the blame since most of the hate of the fans didn't know who to really focus on; they focused on them. Now there is someone there at Bioware who tries to spurn one specific group who also alienates others by same methods could make him target by default. Not try to insinuate anything just trying to advise caution. He's just a senior designer though. Its why, no matter how atrocious some of his comments are, they do not bother me over much. If he was one of the leads, writing, game design, programmer, whatever I'd be a lot more leary...and think your theory a lot more correct. But since he isn't I really do not see much of an issue.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 5:15:51 GMT
I wanna say he was. If not then then shortly thereafter. Hmm. I hope I am wrong. If he was there before ME3 debacle then this theory may be incorrect. Alas though if he was not then it could be correct. People who venture big time hate towards others usually in-case of disaster are held as scapegoats. Last time it was Hudson and the founders who got the blame since most of the hate of the fans didn't know who to really focus on; they focused on them. Now there is someone there at Bioware who tries to spurn one specific group who also alienates others by same methods could make him target by default. Not trying to insinuate anything just trying to advise caution. I think I read somewhere that he's been with the company since 2010, so yeah pretty sure he was with them when ME3 happened.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 15, 2017 5:34:18 GMT
I was like wtf is the Manveer Heir thing, is this some kind of new concept of edgyness? than I read that link and just laugh so much, holyshit is this how you trigger white people? I feel nothing. His twitter is really low key, unless I am missing something. I'm not "triggered" at all, I just dislike double standards. I mean, it's rather obvious what Bioware's reaction would have been if instead of "whites" his rants on his official twatter were about blacks, gays, muslims, or whatever else. Double standard? So what about the double standard of when we have an all white cast....male only hero....and heterosexual romance it is ok. But let there be homosexual romances and black/brown heros then all of a suddent it is SJW pandering. Is that not a double standard? So what that Krem was placed there as some LGBT stance. The only people who would be offended are those who subconsciously has some sort of homophobia.
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