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Post by slimgrin on Jan 15, 2017 18:59:14 GMT
what nonsense is this? The benefit of a small marketing campaign is people can't know a lot to make these determinations. Unless they are using the marketing campaign as evidence and that's... Silly. I agree with them in that Bioware is probably wrapping up development very late, and that's the reason the marketing hasn't kicked off yet. I doubt that EA would be for a low level marketing plan with a major IP.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2017 19:02:30 GMT
what nonsense is this? The benefit of a small marketing campaign is people can't know a lot to make these determinations. Unless they are using the marketing campaign as evidence and that's... Silly. I agree with them in that Bioware is probably wrapping up development very late, and that's the reason the marketing hasn't kicked off yet. I doubt that EA would be for a low level marketing plan with a major IP. time's are changing though. If fallout can still do it and make a successful game then ea can to.
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Post by urkibalurki on Jan 15, 2017 19:03:38 GMT
Well, I'm not the only one who thinks BioWare totally messed up their marketing campaign for ME:A. They only had to shut up until N7 day of 2016 and then announce ME:A and its launch date, publishing all the trailers and so on. They act like they were scared, really! But scared about what? They don't build up hype: they build up distress and anger! I think very few people will buy this radio-controlled model of the Nomad (that is sold WITHOUT the game...), but many will buy the game, and I expect it keeping up with BioWare's standards. And about that racist guy, I repeat: I don't give a damn. Isn't it a little harsh? I mean, I doubt Bioware should be scared of its product. Anxious maybe, emotioned, stressed out for the upcoming release… you know, the kind of feels you get before a big moment. Personally, I don’t think this silence is all that fearful or should be, and while I too would like more information, we should also remember of what happened with ME3. The entire plot from beginning to the end was uploaded on the net before launch. Maybe they are doing their utmost (and then some), to avoid a repetition. As I said, if silence had to be, it had to be TOTALLY, until they were ready to publish something useful. They are teasing us with a bit of information here and there since 2015, but actually they don't give us so much of it. Besides, they contradicted themselves many times (e.g., about the multiplayer). They've got it wrong, and this is raising all the skepticism this thread is (or should be) about. They got it wrong almost the same way with Dragon Age Inquisition, if I remember correctly - I'm not sure, though, because I didn't follow that campaign as I'm following this; so, no, they are not avoiding repetitions. I'm quite optimistic though: despite many pessimists (and much more trolls) are trying to wreck the game months before it's out, I'm certain that it will live up to expectations. I'm only saying that people at BW aren't so good at selling things, as if their marketing and public relations office were in a permanent vacation. (EDIT: I wrote "Dragon's Age" - how silly of me!)
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 19:16:53 GMT
I agree with them in that Bioware is probably wrapping up development very late, and that's the reason the marketing hasn't kicked off yet. I doubt that EA would be for a low level marketing plan with a major IP. time's are changing though. If fallout can still do it and make a successful game then ea can to. Man people really want to hate this game, I'm done.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 15, 2017 19:34:25 GMT
I'm mostly skeptical because of all the choices they have made about this game as well as the things they haven't answered yet.
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Post by Elessar on Jan 15, 2017 19:48:54 GMT
When even the industry shills are starting to get worried, you know it's bad for real. Honestly does it matter what they think? Not really but i think it kinda reflects the general feeling. People are not excited by what they see. That should be at least a little worrying.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 15, 2017 19:52:58 GMT
I'm sceptical partially because of ME3 and what a painful disaster it was. I'm Also sceptical because i found DAI disappointing and MEA seems built on its shoulders. I still hope it'll be good but i'm going in with very much lower expectations than ever before for a bioware game.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 15, 2017 19:53:09 GMT
Honestly does it matter what they think? Not really but i think it kinda reflects the general feeling. People are not excited by what they see. That should be at least a little worrying. Yes but they even compared this game to Doom in that video. Doom wasn't hyped upon released and many people where afraid because they didn't know much about the game. I think that one turned out fine. Can we just wait for the game to come out?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 15, 2017 19:57:00 GMT
"The original endings were different, one of the leaked scripts even showed this. With an unconfirmed report that it was totally rewritten in the last minute because of the leak."Nope, i can confirm they were pretty much the same, talking about singularity and stuff, as I was one of the people who read the leaks. Nope. The copy of the leak I read alludes to a 'final decision' made in the 'Guardian's garden' on the Citadel, which you reach in a similar way to how you reach the Catalysts' chamber in the final game. The leak also says that Javik IS the Catalyst. It was different, the three core outcomes were there, but there was more context to it than a random child appearing out of the nowhere.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 15, 2017 20:17:42 GMT
If you feel uncomfortable with heavy LGBT representation in videogames....YES, subconsciously that would be grounds for homophobia. You dont have to use derogatory comments or commit hate crimes to be a homophobe. In 2017, most of the racism, sexism, and homophobia is not explicit but implicit and done at the subconscious level. Who the hell is even talking about your precious representation (which there is more than enough of in BW games if you compare it to actual percentages in population in the real world)? The topic here was a dumb-ass racist getting a pass because he targeted the only group you can be racist towards according to the regressive agenda. But you if even dare think there's enough of that, you're a sexist / homophobic / Racist / Xenophobic. Yes, I know. Bullshit.
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Post by Elessar on Jan 15, 2017 20:20:37 GMT
Not really but i think it kinda reflects the general feeling. People are not excited by what they see. That should be at least a little worrying. Yes but they even compared this game to Doom in that video. Doom wasn't hyped upon released and many people where afraid because they didn't know much about the game. I think that one turned out fine. Can we just wait for the game to come out? I'm not writing it off. I'm sure i'll like it, more or less, i'm one of the few who don't mind the ME3 endings, even. However, i want this to be awesome. As for Doom, it's a little different, i think. I dunno how much excitment there was for a new Doom, anyway. And anyhow, it's one example.
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Post by bizantura on Jan 15, 2017 20:21:47 GMT
Bioware is mostly about story driven games, less about gameplay. Although they brushed up on that big time resulting in satisfying MP.
Many tantrums occur when the story does not go an individual ideal way of unfolding. Any way you slice or dice it, to date a video game is like reading a book. It is fixed, period. 0 and 1 can emulate and pretend to be more real than a book so this elicit more feelings to the subject and people project that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 20:22:35 GMT
I read an interesting article on Forbes that speculated that Mass Effect Andromeda is being marketed carefully and trying not to build too much hype after both Mass Effect 3 and No Mans Sky were hit with insane amounts of (in my opinion, justified) criticism for building up hype with developer comments that were not true or misleading. Personally I think they are playing it slightly too safe. There are a lot of things that I want answers to and to see more of before release, and that is only two months away now. But I can't say I blame them. Can you provide link please?
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 15, 2017 20:27:31 GMT
I read an interesting article on Forbes that speculated that Mass Effect Andromeda is being marketed carefully and trying not to build too much hype after both Mass Effect 3 and No Mans Sky were hit with insane amounts of (in my opinion, justified) criticism for building up hype with developer comments that were not true or misleading. Personally I think they are playing it slightly too safe. There are a lot of things that I want answers to and to see more of before release, and that is only two months away now. But I can't say I blame them. Can you provide link please? www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/06/mass-effect-andromeda-is-almost-dodging-hype-as-the-anti-no-mans-sky/#342eecb37c98It focuses mostly on the games comparisons to No Mans Sky, but I believe that the hype backlash towards Mass Effect 3 is just as, if not more relevant as to why Andromeda is being marketed the way it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 20:27:58 GMT
It's easy to forget how big a story the Mass Effect 3 endings were. The outry transcended the gaming media and the whole thing became an overblown mess very quickly for everyone involved. The extended cut did little to heal the rift as whilst the players who wanted more detail (and those who enjoyed the original endings) may have been satiated, it still left those who wanted new endings and those who'd already moved on disillusioned by the whole experience. So it's unsurprising that there is a high level of scepticism on this title. Coverage has also been quite staggered so I suppose that's also a red flag for a lot of people. For what it's worth, I think scepticism on any game is a good thing. I'm optimistic, and I do love the series, but am considering waiting a few days to see if it's worth the full retail price. A few days is not exactly adequate considering Mass Effect takes 30+ hours to complete. Maybe a week.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 20:37:26 GMT
I honestly don't think that there is a huge amount of skepticism for this game. I think in places like this the skeptics can be loud and their posts get a lot of hits because they are relentless and because the people who are optimistic about the game are willing to argue with the few that think it is going to be bad, so those posts get a lot of pages and thus stay on the top page. The "Might this game fail hard" post has an 85% "No". And this is in a place where people congregate to still bemoan the ME3 endings and DAI fetch quests. So I think for the general public and the majority of less vocal Mass Effect fans, there is a good amount of excitement for the game. Not everyone cares about that the Tempest doesn't have weapons on it when we don't even get to pilot it anyway or that they think 20,000 humans is too few to try to colonize a star system. The average Mass Effect fan is looking for fun gameplay, exciting romance options, and a good story. I think MEA will deliver on all 3 counts. The people for which lore is gospel may end up being disappointed, but I believe the majority of fans and the people who play MEA without having played the OT will be very happy with this game.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 15, 2017 20:40:09 GMT
If you're still so MAD over the ending that doesn't even affects Andromeda... I'm not mad about the endings, I never even really was, though it was kind of shocking how it wasn't anything like they promised. I'm just saying I can think of a few bad business practises, if you're asking. You can excuse it all away with "all the good stuff got cut because they were rushed", but let's not pretend it never happened. It's not a strange thing there is some scepticism surrounding Bioware, is all I'm saying.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 15, 2017 20:52:36 GMT
If you're still so MAD over the ending that doesn't even affects Andromeda... I'm not mad about the endings, I never even really was, though it was kind of shocking how it wasn't anything like they promised. I'm just saying I can think of a few bad business practises, if you're asking. You can excuse it all away with "all the good stuff got cut because they were rushed", but let's not pretend it never happened. It's not a strange thing there is some scepticism surrounding Bioware, is all I'm saying. Like I said, I understand the skepticism of some people. It's natural. It's fine. I'm more interested in the "business practices", so far, angsty users using a word they don't understand to try and be edgier than the norm cause "mAh endings." Day One DLC? Javik, to be more specific? Then yes. That was a business practice. It's unclear who thought that was a great idea, EA or Bioware (I'd go with EA without a doubt), but it was shady. I'm all ears.
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Post by slimgrin on Jan 15, 2017 20:55:35 GMT
I'm not at all impressed by the pre-order bonuses as they seem like the same old nickel and diming bullshit. If there's some small bits of free DLC, let's hope it's not all for the multiplayer. If there's paid DLC, let's hope for something 10 hours or longer. I bloody hate small story DLCs.
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Post by missileglitcher on Jan 15, 2017 21:03:35 GMT
There is a lot of skepticism surrounding this game because the mass effect trilogy is the worst game series of all time. It has the worst writing, worst story and most retarded writers ever, out of all the games that have ever been created on all platforms since the beginning of time. Taking that into consideration, it would be very strange if there wasn't a ton of skepticism towards andromeda. The new game is going to be extremely bad and will be the worst game ever, that's guaranteed. If we can count on BioEar to do just one thing, it's this.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 15, 2017 21:07:43 GMT
There is a lot of skepticism surrounding this game because the mass effect trilogy is the worst game series of all time. It has the worst writing, worst story and most retarded writers ever, out of all the games that have ever been created on all platforms since the beginning of time. Taking that into consideration, it would be very strange if there wasn't a ton of skepticism towards andromeda. The new game is going to be extremely bad and will be the worst game ever, that's guaranteed. If we can count on BioEar to do just one thing, it's this. Er... does Poe's Law apply here? (I was looking for the wink...)
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 21:10:39 GMT
There is a lot of skepticism surrounding this game because the mass effect trilogy is the worst game series of all time. It has the worst writing, worst story and most retarded writers ever, out of all the games that have ever been created on all platforms since the beginning of time. Taking that into consideration, it would be very strange if there wasn't a ton of skepticism towards andromeda. The new game is going to be extremely bad and will be the worst game ever, that's guaranteed. If we can count on BioEar to do just one thing, it's this. Surely you jest. Have you ever played Soda Drinker Pro?
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 15, 2017 21:15:46 GMT
There is a lot of skepticism surrounding this game because the mass effect trilogy is the worst game series of all time. It has the worst writing, worst story and most retarded writers ever, out of all the games that have ever been created on all platforms since the beginning of time. Taking that into consideration, it would be very strange if there wasn't a ton of skepticism towards andromeda. The new game is going to be extremely bad and will be the worst game ever, that's guaranteed. If we can count on BioEar to do just one thing, it's this. Er... does Poe's Law apply here? (I was looking for the wink...) I............ don't actually know, I was going to assume that it was just a joke, but then I looked at her others post, now I just think she is a troll. (Or stupid, but that I can't really say right)
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Post by Mihura on Jan 15, 2017 21:16:05 GMT
I was like wtf is the Manveer Heir thing, is this some kind of new concept of edgyness? than I read that link and just laugh so much, holyshit is this how you trigger white people? I feel nothing. His twitter is really low key, unless I am missing something. Wow, that's cold. Here's the poor guy hating white people, forced by a cruel fate to live in a mostly white country, working for a mostly white company... have some sympathy! Poor sod. I know we are being sarcastic with all this but in a more serious note, I see twitter as a personal space. It is just like shouting at home obscenities. As for the rest, people seem to forget that even the mythical The Witcher 3 had a huge drama before release and some shady excuses for downgrading the game, sure after that it was praise to high heavens but closer to the release date the overall feeling was negative as fuck, the forum at the time was hilarious with all the butthurt PC gamers. So this type of skepticism is normal. Oh and let us not forget about the season pass, that was the cherry on the cake, so much irony.
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Post by missileglitcher on Jan 15, 2017 21:20:01 GMT
Oh it will. It will fail very hard, just as the first three games completely failed in every way. This is a certainty. The only thing that I'm waiting to find out is whether the multiplayer will be great or terrible. I already know that the single player campaign will be the worst game ever.
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