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Post by clips7 on Jan 17, 2017 8:13:40 GMT
Jumping back into the Mass Effect pool after mostly staying away from the interwebz for the last 2 months. From the previews I've seen, I remain skeptical. ie I will buy if/when there is a goty edition with all DLC and I like the lets play video's. I don't think we will see GOTY editions tho. I was waiting for ME3 GOTY edition, but with people still buying the DLC's separately, i'm assuming that they are making more money off of the DLC going that route. As far as being skeptical? Meh...nothing that i've seen so far has me worrying about the overall game itself. I was slightly concerned about the run and gun gameplay vids, but dev's have stated that you can approach the game anyway you like. You can use any object in the game for cover and not just staged props. I don't mind run and gun when it's necessary, but i wouldn't want the entire game like that. I'm probably in the minority, but i like going into unknown environments and strategically taking out tough enemies behind traditional cover elements rather than Rambo-ing the hell out of the missions.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 17, 2017 8:15:57 GMT
Skepticism is good, but that's not what we typically see. Skepticism usually involves questioning everything and taking nothing on blind faith. What I've seen for the latter half of a decade now is people taking something small, something minute, and finding a flaw with it. They then blow this out of proportion, say that it will ruin the franchise, yet never abandon enough hope to leave the forums.
The old forums were shut down for a reason. The toxicity was too much. You had new members and fans coming in every so often, looking to discuss the next game or some aspect of the franchise he/she really enjoyed, only to have their thread totally derailed by that one guy whose hatred of something Bioware did (ME3 ending, Dragon Age 2, joining EA -- take your pick) still vexes him/her. You could look at any thread and find one hateful post like that in each one. It was kind of disappointing.
That being said, be skeptical. Just don't be cynical.
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Post by Nashimura on Jan 17, 2017 8:46:43 GMT
Assuming this isn't a subtle attempt at trolling with the 1 post count and the Manveer Heir comment, answering seriously: This kind of talk is common before a BioWare release in my experience. Probably a bit more so this time from a mixture of lack of information compared to the usual marketing, and there's still a lot of distrust leftover from the Mass Effect 3 ending. Honestly... my distrust comes from Mass Effect 2 and it's change in tone, Dragon Age 2, and it's rushed out of the door cheapness, Mass Effect 3... with it's ending, and shitty DLC practices, Dragon Age inquisition and it's god awful gameplay, shallow, barely there plot and blank main character. This distrust is backed by many bad experiences, if it was any any other company i would drop any interest in this game altogether... but this is the company that made 4 of my favorite games in Kotor/Jade Empire/Mass effect 1/Dragon Age origins, my hope that there is something left of the company that made those games means i gotta keep an eye on what they are doing next.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jan 17, 2017 8:59:21 GMT
Skepticism is healthy in adequate doses, that's why, for example, I don't pre-order. Closing the original forum didn't help building the confidence in the franchise either.
But at the same time I get OP's point. I'm tired of prophets of doom that keep on berating the game that is not even out yet.
And yeah, Mass Effect: Andromeda is still better than no Mass Effect.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 17, 2017 9:06:09 GMT
To be completely candid, I’ve to say my biggest bone with ME3 isn’t really its endings. The real disappointment for me at least, was how they hamstrung some characters in almost OOC parts, all to serve an already weak plot. I know that because they do the plot, they define the characters, but… For instance, let’s take the Virmire Survivor. I find so incredibly unbelievable for a character that was with us in ME1, and saw first-hand the betrayal of Udina to the Council when they impounded the Normandy, 2 years later simply fall with all his/her shoes in the political machinations of the very same man, without nursing at least some suspects, scepticism or disbelief.
“You got your ass handed to you on Mars. You failed to be useful in ME2 to extract some information from the commander, considered rogue at the time. But it’s ok, I’m gonna make you a Spectre anyway.” “Oh, thank you sir. May I ask what did I do to earn it?” “…I like to collect puppets. Now I’ve a call to do to someone that surely isn’t the Illusive Man. Please wait outside.” “Oh, jee! Everything you want mr. Udina.”
So, to make the plot go on, the Virmire Survivor is forced to act as he’s always been a fool and accept to be manipulated, up until here comes Shepard revealing something that for me at least, was quite obvious, and that if the Virmire Survivor was half of what it was in ME1, it would have seen coming a mile away.
Between the unconvincing delivery of a major plot point and some hamstrung characters… I nurse some bruised hopes for ME:A.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 9:41:05 GMT
Skepticism is good, but that's not what we typically see. Skepticism usually involves questioning everything and taking nothing on blind faith. What I've seen for the latter half of a decade now is people taking something small, something minute, and find a flaw with it. They then blow this out of proportion, say that it will ruin the franchise, yet never abandon enough hope to leave the forums. The old forums were shut down for a reason. The toxicity was too much. You had new members and fans coming in every so often, looking to discuss the next game or some aspect of the franchise he/she really enjoyed, only to have their thread totally derailed by that one guy whose hatred of something Bioware did (ME3 ending, Dragon Age 2, joining EA -- take your pick) still vexes him/her. You could look at any thread and find one hateful post like that in each one. It was kind of disappointing. That being said, be skeptical. Just don't be cynical. And yet legitimate criticism=auto-ban without reason. 🙄
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Post by havox on Jan 17, 2017 9:47:14 GMT
I think it's important to distinguish between gamers who follow Bioware developments closely and normies who make the majority of game sales. Yeah, as someone who has completed most of Bioware titles multiple times, I could write a 5 page TL;DR essay on how I dislike the direction Bioware has been taking over the years but who cares about that, it's only 1 potential lost sale.
It seems general public perception after DA:I seems to be combat is boring and side content poorly done. It's 2 months to launch and we've only gotten very short combat slices, not a single mission from start to finish, and only vague promises that this time it won't be bringing 10 space bear asses to a generic forgettable NPC, collecting 20 space elf roots or finding 30 space shards to open a door that couldn't be blown up with large amounts of explosives because reasons. And the short combat glimpses don't look that hot either.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 17, 2017 10:08:09 GMT
Skepticism is good, but that's not what we typically see. Skepticism usually involves questioning everything and taking nothing on blind faith. What I've seen for the latter half of a decade now is people taking something small, something minute, and find a flaw with it. They then blow this out of proportion, say that it will ruin the franchise, yet never abandon enough hope to leave the forums. The old forums were shut down for a reason. The toxicity was too much. You had new members and fans coming in every so often, looking to discuss the next game or some aspect of the franchise he/she really enjoyed, only to have their thread totally derailed by that one guy whose hatred of something Bioware did (ME3 ending, Dragon Age 2, joining EA -- take your pick) still vexes him/her. You could look at any thread and find one hateful post like that in each one. It was kind of disappointing. That being said, be skeptical. Just don't be cynical. I'm cynical than a motherfucker.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 17, 2017 10:08:25 GMT
Congratulations, you understood the sarcasm! Oh I'm sorry... was that word salad supposed to be sarcasm? I suppose it is fitting you'd have no standards for humor. Hey, you're going to take your word salad and eat it before you leave the dinner forum, mister. I couldn't understand why you were trying to contrast having ridiculously high standards with having no standards, as if I ever made the implication that there shouldn't be any of the sort. The implication is that BioWare fans, who have absolutely no standards, are making claims of BioWare being held to "ridiculously high standards" by their fans when that is absolutely, resolutely, 100% false. BioWare has never been held to high standards, let alone ridiculously high standards - they've only ever been expected to meet their own standards set by their previous games, and have failed miserably in doing that as of late. For standard-less BioWare fans, all it takes for a game to be instant GOTYAY 10/10 IGN MASTERPIECE is to slap the BioWare label on the box, and expecting them to meet their own standard of quality elicits responses along the line of "HOW DARE YOU IMPUGN THE PERFECTION OF BIOWARE, THEY ARE THE BEST DEVELOPERS IN THE WORLD AND THEY CAN DO NO WRONG!" It's sickening. How are they ever going to see and correct their mistakes when they have an army of cult-like Yes Men surrounding them, constantly showering them with unwarranted praise for every little thing they do? It's the same hyperbolic assessment that drives you and your ilk to suck the fun out of games you claim to enjoy. Look, if you're one of the few people defending something being widely criticized, maybe, just maybe it shouldn't be defended.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 17, 2017 10:22:46 GMT
Oh I'm sorry... was that word salad supposed to be sarcasm? I suppose it is fitting you'd have no standards for humor. Hey, you're going to take your word salad and eat it before you leave the dinner forum, mister. I couldn't understand why you were trying to contrast having ridiculously high standards with having no standards, as if I ever made the implication that there shouldn't be any of the sort. The implication is that BioWare fans, who have absolutely no standards, are making claims of BioWare being held to "ridiculously high standards" by their fans when that is absolutely, resolutely, 100% false. BioWare has never been held to high standards, let alone ridiculously high standards - they've only ever been expected to meet their own standards set by their previous games, and have failed miserably in doing that as of late. For standard-less BioWare fans, all it takes for a game to be instant GOTYAY 10/10 IGN MASTERPIECE is to slap the BioWare label on the box, and expecting them to meet their own standard of quality elicits responses along the line of "HOW DARE YOU IMPUGN THE PERFECTION OF BIOWARE, THEY ARE THE BEST DEVELOPERS IN THE WORLD AND THEY CAN DO NO WRONG!" It's sickening. How are they ever going to see and correct their mistakes when they have an army of cult-like Yes Men surrounding them, constantly showering them with unwarranted praise for every little thing they do? It's the same hyperbolic assessment that drives you and your ilk to suck the fun out of games you claim to enjoy. Look, if you're one of the few people defending something being widely criticized, maybe, just maybe it shouldn't be defended.Ehm... not really. Numbers of followers of an idea don't really add anything to its veracity. Truth, hard facts, remain even when no one knows them (yet or anymore). That said, I agree with the general direction of your post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 10:25:28 GMT
The implication is that BioWare fans, who have absolutely no standards, are making claims of BioWare being held to "ridiculously high standards" by their fans when that is absolutely, resolutely, 100% false. BioWare has never been held to high standards, let alone ridiculously high standards - they've only ever been expected to meet their own standards set by their previous games, and have failed miserably in doing that as of late. For standard-less BioWare fans, all it takes for a game to be instant GOTYAY 10/10 IGN MASTERPIECE is to slap the BioWare label on the box, and expecting them to meet their own standard of quality elicits responses along the line of "HOW DARE YOU IMPUGN THE PERFECTION OF BIOWARE, THEY ARE THE BEST DEVELOPERS IN THE WORLD AND THEY CAN DO NO WRONG!" It's sickening. How are they ever going to see and correct their mistakes when they have an army of cult-like Yes Men surrounding them, constantly showering them with unwarranted praise for every little thing they do?
Look, if you're one of the few people defending something being widely criticized, maybe, just maybe it shouldn't be defended. I agree with you for the most part here, you bring up some points that are true for a lot of game developers besides BioWare. But just from personal experience here and other forums discussing BioWare games, I've seen that there has been an overload of the opposite as well to an extent. Angry gamers surrounding BioWare showering them with reams, upon reams of criticisms for every little aspect of their game, every sneeze they make, accusations hurled that there rushing, delaying, making DA:I in space etc. I disagree with unwarranted praise for every still image, and tweet of info. I also disagree with endless essay length posts criticizing BioWare and how everything post-ME3 ending DA:I is going to be garbage. Criticisms and praise lose their validation and worth when it no longer is constructive or referential etc., and is just used as defense to criticisms, and defense to praise, and is just constant, spamming threads. Because there is a lot from both sides, those who ardently praise and ardently criticize, and often threads get railroaded in spats between the two, no longer being a discussion. I don't even know if this thread is still discussing valid reasons for being skeptical about the game, and upcoming games in general giving the state and potential future of AAA games anymore, and again is more praisers vs critics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 23:45:38 GMT
For me, it's clear that BW tried too much with ME3. Tried to please too many people, with too little time, resources and hardware (PC vs xbox360 and ps3 and wii).
Will they do the same with MEA?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 23:56:39 GMT
Skepticism is good, but that's not what we typically see. Skepticism usually involves questioning everything and taking nothing on blind faith. What I've seen for the latter half of a decade now is people taking something small, something minute, and finding a flaw with it. They then blow this out of proportion, say that it will ruin the franchise, yet never abandon enough hope to leave the forums. The old forums were shut down for a reason. The toxicity was too much. You had new members and fans coming in every so often, looking to discuss the next game or some aspect of the franchise he/she really enjoyed, only to have their thread totally derailed by that one guy whose hatred of something Bioware did (ME3 ending, Dragon Age 2, joining EA -- take your pick) still vexes him/her. You could look at any thread and find one hateful post like that in each one. It was kind of disappointing.That being said, be skeptical. Just don't be cynical. Thankfully, and I don't why though I am not complaining one bit, this site right here I have found to be far more pleasant and less toxic as you described the old forums as being. Genuinely, I have had numerous lengthy discussions with people here, and including some old friends and faces from the forums, and those discussions have been mature and respectful and worthwhile, and not derailed by hateful, toxic posts. Yes I do disagree with people over opinions and such, but that's what makes good discussions, and threads (Unpopular Opinions). I used to miss the old forums a bit because of some great friends made there, but since finding them all again, and finding this site to be actually far better and less toxic, I'm kinda glad they were closed. From its ashes, BSN rose!
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 18, 2017 0:02:28 GMT
Also, while we're celebrating the old chap: My apologies if it has already been posted. I don't think this gif will ever not make me laugh out loud.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 18, 2017 6:27:42 GMT
I have no idea if this game will be a success or not. I can say that as someone who only plays singleplayer games and like Bioware games for RTwP combat and squad tactics so far I haven't heard or seen anything about MEA that has made me more interested in it. Pausing to aim gone, choosing what abilities squadmates use gone, only three active abilities, nothing about that seems fun to me. Chaotic combat with flashy effects and no real impact is all I have seen. Making the singleplayer more like multiplayer isn't going to make me interested in playing the multiplayer, nothing could. Stripping what I liked about the combat in the earlier ME games from MEA only makes me less interested in buying the game. Are there any better space shooter rpg games out there? Nope, that's enough reason to be interested in it. I will say that pausing to aim being gone seems silly, but I don't get why people are complaining about only 3 abilities. How many did you honestly use in previous game?
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Post by havox on Jan 18, 2017 7:33:56 GMT
I will say that pausing to aim being gone seems silly, but I don't get why people are complaining about only 3 abilities. How many did you honestly use in previous game? 6 on my ME3 engineer, counting the bonus power, cryo blast seemed underwhelming for the most part. My gaming mouse has 9 buttons so I could map everything but I can see how Bioware would want to make it more console-friendly.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 18, 2017 9:20:35 GMT
Liking every bit of the skepticism. It means the gaming community is definitely keeping the hype in check this time around. ME3 was hyped sky high and eventually crashed and burned real hard. If MEA turns out to be mediocre at best you won't have an angry mob marching towards your office right away at least. Or just get games that is better than Mass Effect and Dragon Age if they keep on fucking up.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 18, 2017 9:21:43 GMT
This is an insult to drunken rhinos in bouncy castles. Yeah the Mako controls in ME1 sucked. It sucked balls.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 18, 2017 16:29:53 GMT
Liking every bit of the skepticism. It means the gaming community is definitely keeping the hype in check this time around. ME3 was hyped sky high and eventually crashed and burned real hard. If MEA turns out to be mediocre at best you won't have an angry mob marching towards your office right away at least. Or just get games that is better than Mass Effect and Dragon Age if they keep on fucking up. Sure I'll do that when a better space shooter RPG comes out................
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Post by Iakus on Jan 18, 2017 16:36:54 GMT
Liking every bit of the skepticism. It means the gaming community is definitely keeping the hype in check this time around. ME3 was hyped sky high and eventually crashed and burned real hard. If MEA turns out to be mediocre at best you won't have an angry mob marching towards your office right away at least. Or just get games that is better than Mass Effect and Dragon Age if they keep on fucking up. Comes out next month.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 18, 2017 17:23:23 GMT
Or just get games that is better than Mass Effect and Dragon Age if they keep on fucking up. Comes out next month. meh, I'm not a huge fan of top down games though.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 18, 2017 17:37:34 GMT
(snip) Comes out next month. I'm excited for Numenera! I own the original tabletop but have yet to get a group together to play, so I'm hoping the game will be a good way to jump into it. I went to a Dragon Con panel a few years ago where Monte Cook was a panelist. It was really interesting hearing him and other indie developers talk about designing and funding tabletop games.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 18, 2017 18:11:20 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!!
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Jan 18, 2017 18:28:13 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! What posts are you looking at? 1/7 more like 50/50. And the people that think this game will bomb are either godteir psychics or are fanboys of different games that just go on other games forums and chant the praises of their game, even if they aren't the best. This is worse than Moba forums. Just wait until the game comes out then judge it.
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 18, 2017 18:34:49 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! What posts are you looking at? 1/7 more like 50/50. And the people that think this game will bomb are either godteir psychics or are fanboys of different games that just go on other games forums and chant the praises of their game, even if they aren't the best. This is worse than Moba forums. Just wait until the game comes out then judge it. You want Dutch to actually do something that makes sense? Wow, that is dedication. And dutchsghost7 , even the thread that asked if the game would bomb was around 80% "no" last I checked. Btw, wasn't that your thread?
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