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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 18, 2017 18:56:13 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! Exactly my point, I mean do people really not want to play an RPG space shooter???
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Post by Iakus on Jan 18, 2017 18:57:16 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! Exactly my point, I mean do people really not want to play an RPG space shooter??? They do. But they want to play a GOOD rpg space shooter.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 18, 2017 19:19:59 GMT
My main source of skepticism is Mac Walters sitting on the top of the project being his usual, single-minded self.
"Just write what you know". Yeah, I'm sure that helps your writers. "I won't let it not be Mass Effect!" You wrote the Catalyst. You ruined the trilogy retroactively. You wrote Kai Leng in ME3. You wrote Foundation and Inquisition comics. You think you can write Downton Abbey into Mass Effect because it allows you to write in any genre within its science fiction framework. You don't get to say what Mass Effect is.
But that's a little prejudiced I admit. Then, looking at what they have shown so far I can check a few things.
Combat looks too over the top and cartoony? Check! Facial animations look worse than ever? Check! The premise gracefully escapes the trilogy-rubble and has you totally compelled to believe in this new setting? FAIL!
There's not much incentive for me to anticipate this one except I do want to craft armor, get to know my new companions (and then be disappointed at how meandering it all is) and I do look forward to experimenting with playing as both the brother and the sister. We'll see, but the biggest features seem like detriments to me.
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Post by crashsuit on Jan 18, 2017 19:34:38 GMT
Skepticism is good, but that's not what we typically see. Skepticism usually involves questioning everything and taking nothing on blind faith. What I've seen for the latter half of a decade now is people taking something small, something minute, and finding a flaw with it. They then blow this out of proportion, say that it will ruin the franchise, yet never abandon enough hope to leave the forums. The old forums were shut down for a reason. The toxicity was too much. You had new members and fans coming in every so often, looking to discuss the next game or some aspect of the franchise he/she really enjoyed, only to have their thread totally derailed by that one guy whose hatred of something Bioware did (ME3 ending, Dragon Age 2, joining EA -- take your pick) still vexes him/her. You could look at any thread and find one hateful post like that in each one. It was kind of disappointing.That being said, be skeptical. Just don't be cynical. Thankfully, and I don't why though I am not complaining one bit, this site right here I have found to be far more pleasant and less toxic as you described the old forums as being. Genuinely, I have had numerous lengthy discussions with people here, and including some old friends and faces from the forums, and those discussions have been mature and respectful and worthwhile, and not derailed by hateful, toxic posts. Yes I do disagree with people over opinions and such, but that's what makes good discussions, and threads (Unpopular Opinions). I used to miss the old forums a bit because of some great friends made there, but since finding them all again, and finding this site to be actually far better and less toxic, I'm kinda glad they were closed. From its ashes, BSN rose! It's so refreshing to be able to talk about Mass Effect in an environment where every other person isn't negatively fixated on the games and trying to steer every conversation towards their own narratives. Seems to me like we still have a couple dozen or so of the usual suspects who followed us over just so they could keep riding their own personal hate trains, but the ignore function here seems even more thorough than the one on the old forum.
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Post by derrame on Jan 18, 2017 19:38:31 GMT
im skeptic about improved facial animations and exploration i'm fine with everything else
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:55:23 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! Trump, is that you?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2017 21:57:26 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! Trump, is that you? Dammit you beat me to it by like half a second. (Actually I saw this a few fair hours ago but wasn't near a computer and I am still rather iffy how the mods will view general political references of that sort of nature given the potential of even name dropping Clinton or Trump tends to be a lit fire).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 22:02:26 GMT
Dammit you beat me to it by like half a second. (Actually I saw this a few fair hours ago but wasn't near a computer and I am still rather iffy how the mods will view general political references of that sort of nature given the potential of even name dropping Clinton or Trump tends to be a lit fire). Had I known that, I wouldn't have posted anything, but its uncanny how much that post reads like one of his tweets.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2017 22:04:19 GMT
Dammit you beat me to it by like half a second. (Actually I saw this a few fair hours ago but wasn't near a computer and I am still rather iffy how the mods will view general political references of that sort of nature given the potential of even name dropping Clinton or Trump tends to be a lit fire). Had I known that, I wouldn't have posted anything, but its uncanny how much that post reads like one of his tweets. They seem to be ok with it as long as it does not derail the discussion into a hatefilled broadside fest...but again, am not one hundred percent sure, and given my own opinions on the geo politics of the day I tend to avoid the conversations on the general forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 23:07:45 GMT
My main source of skepticism is Mac Walters sitting on the top of the project being his usual, single-minded self. "Just write what you know". Yeah, I'm sure that helps your writers. "I won't let it not be Mass Effect!" You wrote the Catalyst. You ruined the trilogy retroactively. You wrote Kai Leng in ME3. You wrote Foundation and Inquisition comics. You think you can write Downton Abbey into Mass Effect because it allows you to write in any genre within its science fiction framework. You don't get to say what Mass Effect is. But that's a little prejudiced I admit. Then, looking at what they have shown so far I can check a few things. Combat looks too over the top and cartoony? Check! Facial animations look worse than ever? Check! The premise gracefully escapes the trilogy-rubble and has you totally compelled to believe in this new setting? FAIL! There's not much incentive for me to anticipate this one except I do want to craft armor, get to know my new companions (and then be disappointed at how meandering it all is) and I do look forward to experimenting with playing as both the brother and the sister. We'll see, but the biggest features seem like detriments to me. Blame Karpyshyn for creating Kai Leng (Retribution was Kai Leng's first appearance, and Karpyshyn's final novel before going to Old Republic). Hudson also has half the blame of approving Walters's idea as well, just to give an FYI.
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Post by peebee on Jan 19, 2017 0:01:11 GMT
I'm optimistic about the game, I really am, but I can also understand some of the concerns.
Every footage we see, there's improvement from the one before. However I do question why they show the footage the way they show it. Dont get me wrong, I enjoy watching the videos, analyzing then, etc, but the most recent one for example, are those placeholder icons on the interface? It's not final right? I understand they are still polishing and stuff, but because they show it like that, people get skeptical and think they are late/production is rushed. That also happened with the animations thing in VGA, even me and most hyped people questioned the quality of the animation, so the professionals must know it wasn't that good right? It doesn't bother me that much, but people notice these things and get worried. Everyone wants a good game after all.
In the end, I trust we will have a fine product, but still I get why people can be unsure about it.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 19, 2017 3:35:53 GMT
Exactly my point, I mean do people really not want to play an RPG space shooter??? They do. But they want to play a GOOD rpg space shooter. Well Mass Effect is the best RPG space shooter on the market, that by default makes it good right?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2017 3:39:17 GMT
They do. But they want to play a GOOD rpg space shooter. Well Mass Effect is the best RPG space shooter on the market, that by default makes it good right? Traditionally speaking anyways, while I have very little doubt ME A will be at least good there is always the chance it won't.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2017 4:31:58 GMT
They do. But they want to play a GOOD rpg space shooter. Well Mass Effect is the best RPG space shooter on the market, that by default makes it good right? I think you're mixing up "good" with "least bad"
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 19, 2017 5:20:51 GMT
Or just get games that is better than Mass Effect and Dragon Age if they keep on fucking up. Comes out next month. So hyped for this, those interactive videos show how the branching nature of questing works....ME:A needs some videos like that in Jan/Feb/March to show how decisions matter and such. Plenty of time for them to do it, I have faith 1 billion years in the future is a long time to comprehend too, gonna be a great RPG if they've harnessed that Planescape: Torment style magic!
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Post by degs29 on Jan 19, 2017 13:50:10 GMT
Really telling how 1/7 people here think MEA will fail. Just imagine how much people think this game will bomb outside of bsn...seeing the comment sections of videos - A LOT!!! I don't know about that. BSN tends to be filled with enthusiasts and, for some reason, chronic complainers. Why the latter group shows up here on a daily basis is beyond me. I mean, I don't care if they're here, I'm just saying I don't understand their motivation. Regardless, they are here. That mix of people isn't exactly representative of the wider gaming community, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:59:32 GMT
I don't know about that. BSN tends to be filled with enthusiasts and, for some reason, chronic complainers. Why the latter group shows up here on a daily basis is beyond me. I mean, I don't care if they're here, I'm just saying I don't understand their motivation. Misery loves company.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 19, 2017 17:52:51 GMT
My main source of skepticism is Mac Walters sitting on the top of the project being his usual, single-minded self. "Just write what you know". Yeah, I'm sure that helps your writers. "I won't let it not be Mass Effect!" You wrote the Catalyst. You ruined the trilogy retroactively. You wrote Kai Leng in ME3. You wrote Foundation and Inquisition comics. You think you can write Downton Abbey into Mass Effect because it allows you to write in any genre within its science fiction framework. You don't get to say what Mass Effect is. But that's a little prejudiced I admit. Then, looking at what they have shown so far I can check a few things. Combat looks too over the top and cartoony? Check! Facial animations look worse than ever? Check! The premise gracefully escapes the trilogy-rubble and has you totally compelled to believe in this new setting? FAIL! There's not much incentive for me to anticipate this one except I do want to craft armor, get to know my new companions (and then be disappointed at how meandering it all is) and I do look forward to experimenting with playing as both the brother and the sister. We'll see, but the biggest features seem like detriments to me. Blame Karpyshyn for creating Kai Leng (Retribution was Kai Leng's first appearance, and Karpyshyn's final novel before going to Old Republic). Hudson also has half the blame of approving Walters's idea as well, just to give an FYI. Thanks, but I am already well informed. I specifically said "in ME3" because Leng isn't half-bad in the novel. At least he isn't saying bad one-liners like in ME3. Hudson has the blame for many things because any bad thing was green lighted by him in the trilogy. As for Patrick Weeks slandering him and Walters regarding the ending I think he left out that ME1's ending was probably also only drafted by Drew and Casey and ME2's ending was probably also only Mac and Casey. It's only a terrible fact when it turned out that ME3's ending turned out to be terrible.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 19, 2017 17:59:18 GMT
Blame Karpyshyn for creating Kai Leng (Retribution was Kai Leng's first appearance, and Karpyshyn's final novel before going to Old Republic). Hudson also has half the blame of approving Walters's idea as well, just to give an FYI. Thanks, but I am already well informed. I specifically said "in ME3" because Leng isn't half-bad in the novel. At least he isn't saying bad one-liners like in ME3. Hudson has the blame for many things because any bad thing was green lighted by him in the trilogy. As for Patrick Weeks slandering him and Walters regarding the ending I think he left out that ME1's ending was probably also only drafted by Drew and Casey and ME2's ending was probably also only Mac and Casey. It's only a terrible fact when it turned out that ME3's ending turned out to be terrible. If it was like this, Bioware would've responded to the criticism (which didn't come only from Weekes) about only those two deciding the ending as it was the norm. Beside, no matter if it's the norm or not, if Walters was responsible for you, Hudson was responsible as well since they both worked. Especially because Hudson was higher ranked then Walters in the project, so he greenlighted everything Walters and the writing team decided. Keep in mind that the lead writer, in Bioware games at least, is a sub leader of the lead designer/of the project, as others. So Hudson was the one having the final say in the trilogy, as Laidlaw had it for DA2-DAI.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 19, 2017 18:04:29 GMT
I honestly don't know what might've been their motivation for doing whatever they did when they responded to the first wave of criticism short of Casey having a big ego about it all. It'll be interesting to see what Mass Effect is like without him. I wonder I'd there will still be scenes recreating movies in it? I saw The Right Stuff recently and its ending scene is oh so ME1 and I'm sure that was Casey's initiative being the airplane lover that he is.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 19, 2017 18:06:30 GMT
I honestly don't know what might've been their motivation for doing whatever they did when they responded to the first wave of criticism short of Casey having a big ego about it all. It'll be interesting to see what Mass Effect is like without him. I wonder I'd there will still be scenes recreating movies in it? I saw The Right Stuff recently and its ending scene is oh so ME1 and I'm sure that was Casey's initiative being the airplane lover that he is. He was ultimately the lead of the project, so he was the one with more responsibility. Depends if the other people in the team share the same feelings.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 19, 2017 18:50:42 GMT
Blame Karpyshyn for creating Kai Leng (Retribution was Kai Leng's first appearance, and Karpyshyn's final novel before going to Old Republic). Hudson also has half the blame of approving Walters's idea as well, just to give an FYI. Thanks, but I am already well informed. I specifically said "in ME3" because Leng isn't half-bad in the novel. At least he isn't saying bad one-liners like in ME3. Kai Leng in Retribution was a BAMF. The reason he was so hated in ME3 was because his personality didn't in any way reflect the cool, collected and absolutely unflinching badass he was in the novel.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 19, 2017 19:15:55 GMT
I honestly don't know what might've been their motivation for doing whatever they did when they responded to the first wave of criticism short of Casey having a big ego about it all. It'll be interesting to see what Mass Effect is like without him. I wonder I'd there will still be scenes recreating movies in it? I saw The Right Stuff recently and its ending scene is oh so ME1 and I'm sure that was Casey's initiative being the airplane lover that he is. He was ultimately the lead of the project, so he was the one with more responsibility. Depends if the other people in the team share the same feelings. Having read the Final Hours app I'm both very admiring of Casey as a visionary and the guy who started the project in the first place as I'm very dumbfounded at the decisions he made in the trilogy's final entry. It states one area in the piece that "Casey wanted the ending choreographed down to the second" which is kind of one of the original complaints about the ending, that everything was too similar. It doesn't state whether that want for railroading the ending was because of budget or time constraints or if it was just Casey's desire but I think you can assume it's the latter because Casey was the one who started the whole "artistic vision" crap. He truly believed he had ascended from a mere game developer to the next Picasso with the ending he had made. There was also Patrick namedropping him and then there was L'Etoile who kept referring to some "higher-paid than me" who gave him nonsensical suggestions he had to incorporate. But in the end we can't know the full story, and the truth probably is that for all the bad that was made due to egotistical decision-making there was proabably just as many things they got right because someone pulled a veto and had the final say with a certain decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 20:08:02 GMT
Thanks, but I am already well informed. I specifically said "in ME3" because Leng isn't half-bad in the novel. At least he isn't saying bad one-liners like in ME3. Kai Leng in Retribution was a BAMF. The reason he was so hated in ME3 was because his personality didn't in any way reflect the cool, collected and absolutely unflinching badass he was in the novel. Ditto to what you say about Kai Leng in Retribution. Sans cereal thievery. Let's just ignore that.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2017 20:09:26 GMT
Thanks, but I am already well informed. I specifically said "in ME3" because Leng isn't half-bad in the novel. At least he isn't saying bad one-liners like in ME3. Kai Leng in Retribution was a BAMF. The reason he was so hated in ME3 was because his personality didn't in any way reflect the cool, collected and absolutely unflinching badass he was in the novel. ME3 was my first introduction to Troy Baker as a VA. I am really, really glad I have since been able to hear other works of his so I can properly appreciate him.
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