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Post by helios969 on Jan 20, 2017 13:24:41 GMT
It could turn out to be a money laundering or tax evasion scheme, and still make more sense than that. Confirmed - Jien Garson heads a huge Red Sand cartel... not only are they swimming in funds, they were totally all high when they planned the AI. I buy that given what we've heard thus far idoes sound more like a hippy commune than well thought out venture.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 20, 2017 13:58:47 GMT
According to EA, DAI had the best launch in Bioware' history. So its marketing did a superb job.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 20, 2017 14:11:13 GMT
It doesn't make sense when you factor costs, risks, amount of unexplored worlds, the sheer size of the Milky Way, and the free for all attempts to colonize other worlds. For a fraction of what the AI costs, you can colonize a dozen unexplored planets. I would have though BioWare would have come up with a better reason for the AI's reason to depart the Milky Way. The idea, in the Mass Effect setting, of a few rich people getting together and saying, "Hey, let's use our monies and go colonize Andromeda. It will be historical and stuff." is completely plausible. I would agree with this if the Mass Effect universe supported such a mission in a reasonable way, but it's not even close to be that. We do not have the technology to go very far from relays, nor the technology to build ships much bigger than dreadnoughts. The situation is Mass Effect is something like this: we live in a good land, we've settled it and have it good. But just across a large river we can see more and maybe better land. We can't cross it however. We can only cross small streams. Suddenly someone has this idea of cross an ocean! It's ridiculously bigger than the river, we don't know what's the other side, we don't know if we will ever make it back. It's not a good idea, it's the opposite of that. And obviously no one would prefer to invest money in this than in the simpler, better, more economically viable, less risky and in every way more reasonable idea of just crossing the river.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 20, 2017 14:16:44 GMT
The idea, in the Mass Effect setting, of a few rich people getting together and saying, "Hey, let's use our monies and go colonize Andromeda. It will be historical and stuff." is completely plausible. I would agree with this if the Mass Effect universe supported such a mission in a reasonable way, but it's not even close to be that. We do not have the technology to go very far from relays, nor the technology to build ships much bigger than dreadnoughts. The situation is Mass Effect is something like this: we live in a good land, we've settled it and have it good. But just across a large river we can see more and maybe better land. We can't cross it however. We can only cross small streams. Suddenly someone has this idea of cross an ocean! It's ridiculously bigger than the river, we don't know what's the other side, we don't know if we will ever make it back. It's not a good idea, it's the opposite of that. And obviously no one would prefer to invest money in this than in the simpler, better, more economically viable, less risky and in every way more reasonable idea of just crossing the river. But the people that want to invest money in crossing the river can. It's not like they're forcing everyone to cross the ocean on invest on that feat. The money spent on that projects are private. They can spend their money as they wish. That is is beside the fact we knew little about the past of the initiative, and I doubt we will before the game comes out.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 20, 2017 14:21:25 GMT
According to EA, DAI had the best launch in Bioware' history. So its marketing did a superb job. So why didn't EA release any numbers?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 20, 2017 14:23:24 GMT
I would agree with this if the Mass Effect universe supported such a mission in a reasonable way, but it's not even close to be that. We do not have the technology to go very far from relays, nor the technology to build ships much bigger than dreadnoughts. The situation is Mass Effect is something like this: we live in a good land, we've settled it and have it good. But just across a large river we can see more and maybe better land. We can't cross it however. We can only cross small streams. Suddenly someone has this idea of cross an ocean! It's ridiculously bigger than the river, we don't know what's the other side, we don't know if we will ever make it back. It's not a good idea, it's the opposite of that. And obviously no one would prefer to invest money in this than in the simpler, better, more economically viable, less risky and in every way more reasonable idea of just crossing the river. But the people that want to invest money in crossing the river can. It's not like they're forcing everyone to cross the ocean on invest on that feat. The money spent on that projects are private. They can spend their money as they wish. That's a very simple, very naive view that trivialize the situation. Sure, you can invest your money anywhere you want, but in the real world, people invest money where they think they will get it back. So you can't just find in real world enough people to invest a project like the Arks beause they are "impossibly" expensive, way to risky and the return is virtually nothing.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 20, 2017 14:24:22 GMT
According to EA, DAI had the best launch in Bioware' history. So its marketing did a superb job. So why didn't EA release any numbers? Ask them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 14:25:39 GMT
But the people that want to invest money in crossing the river can. It's not like they're forcing everyone to cross the ocean on invest on that feat. The money spent on that projects are private. They can spend their money as they wish. That's a very simple, very naive view that trivialize the situation. Sure, you can invest your money anywhere you want, but in the real world, people invest money where they think they will get it back. So you can't just find in real world enough people to invest a project like the Arks beause they are "impossibly" expensive, way to risky and the return is virtually nothing. Not to mention that what is 'invested', hence put at risk, isn't just money, but the lives of 80000 people.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 20, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
I'm sure a lot of folks have.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 20, 2017 14:34:18 GMT
But the people that want to invest money in crossing the river can. It's not like they're forcing everyone to cross the ocean on invest on that feat. The money spent on that projects are private. They can spend their money as they wish. That's a very simple, very naive view that trivialize the situation. Sure, you can invest your money anywhere you want, but in the real world, people invest money where they think they will get it back. So you can't just find in real world enough people to invest a project like the Arks beause they are "impossibly" expensive, way to risky and the return is virtually nothing. Not always. Millionaires and Billionaires donate money to charity. While this is clearly not the case, we have no clue so far of what were the motivations of the backers, so i can't judge that. That's a very simple, very naive view that trivialize the situation. Sure, you can invest your money anywhere you want, but in the real world, people invest money where they think they will get it back. So you can't just find in real world enough people to invest a project like the Arks beause they are "impossibly" expensive, way to risky and the return is virtually nothing. Not to mention that what is 'invested', hence put at risk, isn't just money, but the lives of 80000 people. Nobody forced them to go, they're volunteers. While I don't think the briefings are (necessarily) something happening in game, they did mention risk and the fact that is one way trip. While I'm on the mindset that the Initative seems so far to have been inefficient in term of preparation, it's not like they said it was a walk in the park.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 14:44:54 GMT
That's a very simple, very naive view that trivialize the situation. Sure, you can invest your money anywhere you want, but in the real world, people invest money where they think they will get it back. So you can't just find in real world enough people to invest a project like the Arks beause they are "impossibly" expensive, way to risky and the return is virtually nothing. Not to mention that what is 'invested', hence put at risk, isn't just money, but the lives of 80000 people. And within the lore of the ME Universe already exists -- Shepard and/or the Alliance not only funded a project that risked the lives of more than 300,000 Batariansl but also ultimately sacrificed the lives of those Batarians and the rest of the system (casualties not known) on the "vision" of a Reaper arrival provided only by an unearthed Reaper artifact that was then "stored" (by an Alliance operative - Kenson) in that Batarian system. The whole situation was the result of very poor planning by the entire Council and all the species that knew about the Mass Relays, had figured out how to activate them... but apparently, in all those centuries, never figured out how to just shut them down and seal them. We were told that the Citadel was even the inactive Mass Relay that would ultimately let in the Reapers... but then in ME2, that notion was just abandoned and the notion of an Alpha Relay was substituted in... Under the circumstances and based on previous lore, I really don't get why people here are seemingly getting squeamish about "suspension" of the believable when it comes to this series. It has been largely based on a totally unbelievable plot from the outset... and back in ME1, we all just lapped it up.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 20, 2017 15:07:26 GMT
Getting to Andromeda can work or at least I haven't heard anything yet that breaks that. I'm no longer convinced or even strongly confident they won't mess it up but it is theoretically possible without any major breaks in lore or logic/common sense.
I am however concerned by other things I have heard that indicate it'll be more of the same, both in story/feel and in complete batshit decisions that ignore what makes sense and should be for some nebulous "artistic" direction. I'm also afraid they're squandering the opportunities this move does generate, namely the chance to really invent some interesting stuff in ship design, planet and alien design and "showing their work" a bit about how they thought about and dealt with the obstacles of the task. Basically all the factors that would make this a sweet sci-fi about exploration, colonization and the trials and tribulations of that, as oppposed to "oh here's some rock monsters, robots and even more mercs/gangmembers to shoot".
We'll have to see how it goes when the game actually comes out. But for now, it's not looking good.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 20, 2017 15:19:47 GMT
Getting to Andromeda can work or at least I haven't heard anything yet that breaks that. I'm no longer convinced or even strongly confident they won't mess it up but it is theoretically possible without any major breaks in lore or logic/common sense. I am however concerned by other things I have heard that indicate it'll be more of the same, both in story/feel and in complete batshit decisions that ignore what makes sense and should be for some nebulous "artistic" direction. I'm also afraid they're squandering the opportunities this move does generate, namely the chance to really invent some interesting stuff in ship design, planet and alien design and "showing their work" a bit about how they thought about and dealt with the obstacles of the task. Basically all the factors that would make this a sweet sci-fi about exploration, colonization and the trials and tribulations of that, as oppposed to "oh here's some rock monsters, robots and even more mercs/gangmembers to shoot". We'll have to see how it goes when the game actually comes out. But for now, it's not looking good. That is a valid opinion. I have concerns as well, but I share your thought of not having seen anything so far that is (necessarily) lore breaking.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 20, 2017 15:38:15 GMT
Less than 3 months to go and we get minor blips of poorly edited gameplay trailers that are less than 2 minutes long. Tonight's Nvidia GeForce gameplay was more insulting than the vga trailer. Is it too much to ask for a proper gameplay reveal? Before Doom released we had multiple gameplay videos 10-20 minutes long showcasing the game months beforehand for a 15hr game. Is Bioware not confident with their product? It's the DAI marketing campaign all over again and I'd expect we get shitty twitch streams of the game nearing launch but come on. Side note: game isn't really wowing me on the graphics department like Witcher 3. Nothing BioWare ever does ever will wow you like Witcher 3 did. Just accept it. SO true. I love Bioware and all. But CDPR is just playing on a whole other level. That said. The DAI marketing campaign was godawful. A year beforehand they showed a completely different game. I swore to myself I'll never believe any gameplay video bioware releases anymore ever. And it's made me a lot happier. This time around, I can just look at the flashiness and think: "huh, it'll be neat!" instead of obsessing over the small details in every video and be dissapointed afterwards. Bioware thaught me a hard lesson, but it's made me a happier man. Thanks for that!
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 20, 2017 16:25:56 GMT
According to EA, DAI had the best launch in Bioware' history. So its marketing did a superb job. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Hm.. I think,
1- Depends what EA means by best launch in Bio's history. 1a- Physical sales? 1b- Digital sales? 1c- December sales? 1d- One day sales? The devil is in the details.
2- Once burned twice shy. EA may be dancing over Bio's future corpse. I found DA:I never delivered the marketing hype and ME3 ending was a disaster. ME:A better deliver.
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Post by keiji on Jan 20, 2017 19:02:24 GMT
They go to Andromeda because they want to go there. They are Boss. Just like Ryder's room is huge for space orgies and all. Just like there is no weapon on the Tempest because they go face to face for a fight when peace act doesn't work.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 20, 2017 19:21:14 GMT
I am so tired of hearing about that game... >tired of the Witcher 3 being mentioned >forgetting that CDPR is more Bioware than Bioware itself >upset that people want Bioware to be Bioware Take a seat. Obsidian is more Bioware than Bioware Harebrained Schemes is more Bioware than Bioware. InXile is more Bioware than Bioware. Heck Telltale Games is more Bioware than Bioware Being more Bioware than Bioware is no longer a major feat.
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Post by General Mahad on Jan 20, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
It doesn't make sense when you factor costs, risks, amount of unexplored worlds, the sheer size of the Milky Way, and the free for all attempts to colonize other worlds. For a fraction of what the AI costs, you can colonize a dozen unexplored planets. I would have though BioWare would have come up with a better reason for the AI's reason to depart the Milky Way. Since this is the Andromeda Initiative, I imagine its backers had the very specific goal of "Colonize Andromeda" in mind. You can't do that by colonizing a dozen random Milky Way planets. You guys keep acting as though the only reason to do something is there being some overwhelming need to do it. People with a lot of money on their hands get crazy ideas and run with them all the time; you can see it in any company large enough to have an executive board. The idea, in the Mass Effect setting, of a few rich people getting together and saying, "Hey, let's use our monies and go colonize Andromeda. It will be historical and stuff." is completely plausible. They did it for the Lolz? And this is supposedly the brainchild of the Milky Way's best? Well that fits in line with BioWare's policy of using stupidity in order to make drama or plot. Or wait, maybe they're indoctrinated by a Reaper artifact.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 20, 2017 19:44:28 GMT
Since this is the Andromeda Initiative, I imagine its backers had the very specific goal of "Colonize Andromeda" in mind. You can't do that by colonizing a dozen random Milky Way planets. You guys keep acting as though the only reason to do something is there being some overwhelming need to do it. People with a lot of money on their hands get crazy ideas and run with them all the time; you can see it in any company large enough to have an executive board. The idea, in the Mass Effect setting, of a few rich people getting together and saying, "Hey, let's use our monies and go colonize Andromeda. It will be historical and stuff." is completely plausible. They did it for the Lolz? And this is supposedly the brainchild of the Milky Way's best? Well that fits in line with BioWare's policy of using stupidity in order to make drama or plot. Was going to type something similar, but I'll just go with "this"
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 20, 2017 19:53:45 GMT
They either have to be fleeing the Reapers or there has to be something that calls them to Andromeda, some not yet revealed alien presence for some reasons we can only hope will be good.
Anything else (including/especially "just lolexploring") is dumb.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 20, 2017 19:58:04 GMT
Or, as others pointed out, they just wanted to do it. Royalty funded ships to go exploring the "New World" they weren't quite sure existed. Some still thought the Earth was flat but they went anyway. In the end, they thought they'd find a new place to expand into. Is it really far-fetched for a race with 1000+ year lifespan to want to colonize a galaxy that it could potentially control?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 20, 2017 20:03:33 GMT
Or, as others pointed out, they just wanted to do it. Royalty funded ships to go exploring the "New World" they weren't quite sure existed. Some still thought the Earth was flat but they went anyway. In the end, they thought they'd find a new place to expand into. Is it really far-fetched for a race with 1000+ year lifespan to want to colonize a galaxy that it could potentially control? Comparing the Ai to the travels of the 15th century just do not work in the slightest. The money involved, the risks, the possible profit, the reasons behind it... they are all utterly, totally different. Not even the trips to the moon or SpaceX Mars program can be compared. Nothing can, really, becauce the Ai isn't logical.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 20, 2017 20:08:22 GMT
Or, as others pointed out, they just wanted to do it. Royalty funded ships to go exploring the "New World" they weren't quite sure existed. Some still thought the Earth was flat but they went anyway. In the end, they thought they'd find a new place to expand into. Is it really far-fetched for a race with 1000+ year lifespan to want to colonize a galaxy that it could potentially control? Comparing the Ai to the travels of the 15th century just do not work in the slightest. The money involved, the risks, the possible profit, the reasons behind it... they are all utterly, totally different. Not even the trips to the moon or SpaceX Mars program can be compared. Nothing can, really, becauce the Ai isn't logical. You say that but that's your opinion. Exploration is a real thing. We've done it and hopefully we'll do it again. "Not logical" is your opinion.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 20, 2017 20:08:29 GMT
Or, as others pointed out, they just wanted to do it. Royalty funded ships to go exploring the "New World" they weren't quite sure existed. Some still thought the Earth was flat but they went anyway. In the end, they thought they'd find a new place to expand into. Is it really far-fetched for a race with 1000+ year lifespan to want to colonize a galaxy that it could potentially control? Europe was not 99% unexplored.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 20, 2017 20:09:39 GMT
Or, as others pointed out, they just wanted to do it. Royalty funded ships to go exploring the "New World" they weren't quite sure existed. Some still thought the Earth was flat but they went anyway. In the end, they thought they'd find a new place to expand into. Is it really far-fetched for a race with 1000+ year lifespan to want to colonize a galaxy that it could potentially control? Europe was not 99% unexplored. Europe also wasn't about to be invaded by an ancient race of machines that has wiped out all life it encountered before.
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