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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 30, 2017 17:52:50 GMT
Hi @dutch. Moving to the skepticism thread. Stop containing me.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 30, 2017 17:57:26 GMT
Hi @dutch. Moving to the skepticism thread. Stop containing me. Seemed entirely on-topic for the OP of this thread and your original post: bsn.boards.net/post/201645/threadThreads on different topics not already being discussed may, of course, stand free within the discussion forum.
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 30, 2017 18:19:12 GMT
Hi @dutch. Moving to the skepticism thread. Stop containing me. Stop making unoriginal threads then?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 30, 2017 18:26:41 GMT
....and what you show isn't good then people will have negative feelings about it. And that's what happening with Andromeda. What they have shown isn't good? Could have fooled me! I think Bioware has attracted this crowd of defeatists who see everything they do through shit-colored glasses. That story trailer they just released was pretty great, so it's a great litmus test to detect these defeatists. If we look at VGA trailer I thought the graphics looked worse than I expected, especially some visual effects like explosions (look at armored walker blowing up at the end for example). Animations were clunky, sound effects were missing, enemies did not react to being shot at or charged. Not to mention it's funny (to put it lightly) that they chose to show a battle in an area fully sorrounded by moutains that are clearly not traversable. Some of those problems were also presented in the other trailers that showed gameplay. This latest cinematic trailer was indeed pretty cool, as I said back then, I liked it, but I feel it's not the trailer they should have released if they wanted to end the (some) bad talk about this game. It's easy to show some characters and a romance scene to easily hype some people, but what they should be showing is gameplay. A full walkthrough. We are a few weeks from the game's release and we have not seen 5 minutes of continuous gameplay. This isn't the end of the world for Andromeda, but it's very likely a bad sign.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jan 30, 2017 18:36:50 GMT
The important thing for me is plot and interaction. If they showed a conversation, all the way through, showing off the dialogue options, that would make me happy. Nothing spoilery, just an unimportant character building conversation. I'd also like a look at combat with a more cautious player rather than the frenetic stuff we've seen so far. Maybe it's all there in the game and I'm worrying about nothing but as the marketing seems to be pushing the shooter aspect it would assuage some of my concerns.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jan 30, 2017 18:39:43 GMT
Troll tread or not, I am concerned that there is mo multi-player beta. Seems like they would want some feedback considering how close the release date is Just because you're not in the MP beta doesn't mean there is no MP beta. It could be in closed beta right now, and we'd never know.
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Post by inert on Jan 30, 2017 18:44:22 GMT
So, what do you call all the nonstop combat gameplay that we've seen? RAWR FLAMETHROWERS ME3MP rehashed? I don't care for the ME:A forums as SP BSNers are a weird bunch - lots of energy over really unimportant things. ME:A trailers haven't shown us anything new. The combat is very similar to ME3MP, with SP players getting excited over flamer and melee attacks we've had for years. The trailers focus more on cliches and one-liners than actually hinting at plot or exploration. Bioware has stated Andromeda will recapture the exploration of ME1, yet in we get "I don't need an army, I have a Krogan." and "The Archon is a master of his game, we're just going to change the rules." If I wanted that drivel, I'd go watch a Michael Bay movie. Investigating the remnant could be good, new aliens and the jetpack are neat, but it's nowhere near enough to get excited over. I'd need to see some sign that Bioware seeks to recapture some of their better storytelling from ME1, KOTOR and Jade Empire, etc. before I set aside the money for this game. It could turn out good, who knows? But I'll be keeping my expectations low for now.
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Post by crashsuit on Jan 30, 2017 18:51:20 GMT
Poor BioWare. For years ME3MP fans have wanted the next game to have MP that takes what works in ME3, but adds new kits, maps, guns, powers, and enemies. So now that it looks like that's what we're getting, we have people complaining that MEAMP doesn't look different enough from ME3MP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 18:53:20 GMT
Poor BioWare. For years ME3MP fans have wanted the next game to have MP that takes what works in ME3, but adds new kits, maps, guns, powers, and enemies. So now that it looks like that's what we're getting, we have people complaining that MEAMP doesn't look different enough from ME3MP. MEAMP -- it really whips the llama's ass!
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Post by crashsuit on Jan 30, 2017 18:57:49 GMT
Poor BioWare. For years ME3MP fans have wanted the next game to have MP that takes what works in ME3, but adds new kits, maps, guns, powers, and enemies. So now that it looks like that's what we're getting, we have people complaining that MEAMP doesn't look different enough from ME3MP. MEAMP -- it really whips the llama's ass! So... llama confirmed for love interest?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 19:03:18 GMT
MEAMP -- it really whips the llama's ass! So... llama confirmed for love interest? Only in multiplayer, though. There will be 'Jumbo Equipment Packs' available for purchase from the in-game store; those will come with 'Special Llama Friends' in different colors. Here's some concept art for the new Llama feature:
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Post by inert on Jan 30, 2017 19:19:24 GMT
Poor BioWare. For years ME3MP fans have wanted the next game to have MP that takes what works in ME3, but adds new kits, maps, guns, powers, and enemies. So now that it looks like that's what we're getting, we have people complaining that MEAMP doesn't look different enough from ME3MP. I'd like to point out that my statements are referring to ME:A single player. I'd be happy with ME:A's multiplayer resembling ME3MP - only thing I'd like to see would be better matchmaking system - even a small improvement like being able to filter out matches in progress would be welcome.
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Post by crashsuit on Jan 30, 2017 19:59:53 GMT
Poor BioWare. For years ME3MP fans have wanted the next game to have MP that takes what works in ME3, but adds new kits, maps, guns, powers, and enemies. So now that it looks like that's what we're getting, we have people complaining that MEAMP doesn't look different enough from ME3MP. I'd like to point out that my statements are referring to ME:A single player. I'd be happy with ME:A's multiplayer resembling ME3MP - only thing I'd like to see would be better matchmaking system - even a small improvement like being able to filter out matches in progress would be welcome. I misunderstood you then, sorry about that.
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Post by Madflavor on Jan 30, 2017 20:52:00 GMT
What they have shown isn't good? Could have fooled me! I think Bioware has attracted this crowd of defeatists who see everything they do through shit-colored glasses. That story trailer they just released was pretty great, so it's a great litmus test to detect these defeatists. If we look at VGA trailer I thought the graphics looked worse than I expected, especially some visual effects like explosions (look at armored walker blowing up at the end for example). Animations were clunky, sound effects were missing, enemies did not react to being shot at or charged. Not to mention it's funny (to put it lightly) that they chose to show a battle in an area fully sorrounded by moutains that are clearly not traversable. Some of those problems were also presented in the other trailers that showed gameplay. This latest cinematic trailer was indeed pretty cool, as I said back then, I liked it, but I feel it's not the trailer they should have released if they wanted to end the (some) bad talk about this game. It's easy to show some characters and a romance scene to easily hype some people, but what they should be showing is gameplay. A full walkthrough. We are a few weeks from the game's release and we have not seen 5 minutes of continuous gameplay. This isn't the end of the world for Andromeda, but it's very likely a bad sign. That just seems like fear mongering to me. It'd be a bad sign if at this point in time we saw absolutely no gameplay, but we've already seen a total of 5 minutes of gameplay, and they have said we'll be getting a 15 minute gameplay reel fairly soon. Not to mention that they're putting up 10 hours of the game on EA early access, a week before the game's release. You don't do that if you have no confidence in your game. If you think your game sucks and has problems, the last thing you would do is let people play a huge chunk of it before it's release, so they can spread the word that it's not good.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 30, 2017 21:19:42 GMT
If we look at VGA trailer I thought the graphics looked worse than I expected, especially some visual effects like explosions (look at armored walker blowing up at the end for example). Animations were clunky, sound effects were missing, enemies did not react to being shot at or charged. Not to mention it's funny (to put it lightly) that they chose to show a battle in an area fully sorrounded by moutains that are clearly not traversable. Some of those problems were also presented in the other trailers that showed gameplay. This latest cinematic trailer was indeed pretty cool, as I said back then, I liked it, but I feel it's not the trailer they should have released if they wanted to end the (some) bad talk about this game. It's easy to show some characters and a romance scene to easily hype some people, but what they should be showing is gameplay. A full walkthrough. We are a few weeks from the game's release and we have not seen 5 minutes of continuous gameplay. This isn't the end of the world for Andromeda, but it's very likely a bad sign. That just seems like fear mongering to me. It'd be a bad sign if at this point in time we saw absolutely no gameplay, but we've already seen a total of 5 minutes of gameplay, and they have said we'll be getting a 15 minute gameplay reel fairly soon. Not to mention that they're putting up 10 hours of the game on EA early access, a week before the game's release. You don't do that if you have no confidence in your game. If you think your game sucks and has problems, the last thing you would do is let people play a huge chunk of it before it's release, so they can spread the word that it's not good. It's not fear mongering, it's a fair assessment. I remember the last Bioware game that had this little gameplay shown was DA2. ME3 also had very little gameplay shown, a little bit more than this, but quite little as well. The second wasn't a bad game, but you can clearly see it was rushed. You make a good point with the early access however. But the thing is, isn't it a common practice? Mirror's Edge Catalyst was very bad and it also had an early trial period.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 30, 2017 21:21:42 GMT
What they have shown isn't good? Could have fooled me! I think Bioware has attracted this crowd of defeatists who see everything they do through shit-colored glasses. That story trailer they just released was pretty great, so it's a great litmus test to detect these defeatists. If we look at VGA trailer I thought the graphics looked worse than I expected, especially some visual effects like explosions (look at armored walker blowing up at the end for example). Animations were clunky, sound effects were missing, enemies did not react to being shot at or charged. Not to mention it's funny (to put it lightly) that they chose to show a battle in an area fully sorrounded by moutains that are clearly not traversable. Some of those problems were also presented in the other trailers that showed gameplay. This latest cinematic trailer was indeed pretty cool, as I said back then, I liked it, but I feel it's not the trailer they should have released if they wanted to end the (some) bad talk about this game. It's easy to show some characters and a romance scene to easily hype some people, but what they should be showing is gameplay. A full walkthrough. We are a few weeks from the game's release and we have not seen 5 minutes of continuous gameplay. This isn't the end of the world for Andromeda, but it's very likely a bad sign. Pure laziness.
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Post by amleth on Jan 30, 2017 21:26:37 GMT
I am a skeptic and I think I'll remain a skeptic for the fact that Bioware's last 3 outings have been critically flawed, DA2 was awful, ME3 had that botched ending and DAI was choked by filler. i think that bioware games hold a special place in the sjw community for one reason or another, because they feel that it represents them. That's all well and good until you realize that this is exactly the kind of marketing ploy a company would use to ensnare brand loyalty by politicising the issue. And on that note, I think that lots of people are tired of politicised products which implicitly criticise you for disliking them even if they are a shit product (the new ghostbusters controversy is an example). The fact remains that buying bioware games doesn't exactly forward any cause, in the end, they are just increasingly mediocre games shown up by superior competitors like TW3. Yes I will give ME:A a chance in that I feel like the team behind it might genuinely have something good on their hands but given the lack of information and gameplay, I am not going into it with high expectations and this is certainty their last chance from me.
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Post by Madflavor on Jan 31, 2017 0:11:07 GMT
What happened with DA:I? I enjoyed the game despite it's flaws, but I remember back when it was released, a ton of people liked it. The complaint towards the overabundance of filler was there, but as far as I knew it was just a gripe most people had, but they still enjoyed the rest of the game. Fast forward 2 years later and apparently it was a total dealbreaker for people, and they hate the game.
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Post by Lunatic on Jan 31, 2017 1:52:35 GMT
What happened with DA:I? I enjoyed the game despite it's flaws, but I remember back when it was released, a ton of people liked it. The complaint towards the overabundance of filler was there, but as far as I knew it was just a gripe most people had, but they still enjoyed the rest of the game. Fast forward 2 years later and apparently it was a total dealbreaker for people, and they hate the game. I thought I loved it too, but on my third playthrough I realized how much of a chore it was to keep playing. The zones were beautiful and diverse, but full of uninteresting content. I actually were on a full Dragon Age run just a few weeks ago. Played through Origins and all the DLC, DA2 and all the DLC, but couldn't get past Crestwood in DAI. I really hope the open world is handled differently in ME:A.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jan 31, 2017 5:25:53 GMT
What happened with DA:I? I enjoyed the game despite it's flaws, but I remember back when it was released, a ton of people liked it. The complaint towards the overabundance of filler was there, but as far as I knew it was just a gripe most people had, but they still enjoyed the rest of the game. Fast forward 2 years later and apparently it was a total dealbreaker for people, and they hate the game. Oh you didn't get the memo? Yeah, DAI is now officially THE WORST GAME THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, OH MY GOD U GUYZ, IT'S SO BAD AND THERE'S NOTHING GOOD AND IT SUCKS AND THE WITCHER 3 IS GREATER THAN JESUS AND THE BEATLES COMBINED AND IF YOU DON'T HATE DAI UR A BIOWARE SHILL AND WILL BE BLOCKED AND BANNED. Basically it's the standard cycle. New Bioware game comes out, people generally like it despite some flaws, time passes, OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORSTEST EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Rinse, repeat, oh my god repeat.
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Post by bohica01 on Jan 31, 2017 7:22:24 GMT
I didn't like Inquisition because it didn't feel like a Bioware game.
I've played their games since I was a kid. Baldur's Gate 2, KotOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1-3. Dragon Age: Origins. I love all of these games, the element of choice that matters, the story based gameplay, great characters, great settings with political intrigue that feel alive.
I didn't play Dragon Age 2, just because I was getting older and didn't have money. I bought Inquisition for cheap on a whim. There were things I liked about it, the combat was pretty fun and challenging. The wilderness areas were beautiful.
But there was a non-existent and cliched story; the character interaction and story was filtered WAY down, there were no cultural hubs where you can go off the rails and interact with quirky NPCs and solve local issues. It was fun, but it was a Bioware game that abandoned everything that has made Bioware great for 20 years.
If it hadn't been made by Bioware, I probably would have enjoyed it for a while and moved on. But they've been my favorite studio my entire life, and with Dragon Age: Inquisition, they completely abandoned their old style of game and basically made Diablo.
I'm worried Mass Effect: Andromeda will be more of the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 7:25:37 GMT
I'm only skeptical of the motions in this game. I do not like getting sick playing video games and the DOF can nearly kill me in some of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 7:34:20 GMT
I am a skeptic and I think I'll remain a skeptic for the fact that Bioware's last 3 outings have been critically flawed, DA2 was awful, ME3 had that botched ending and DAI was choked by filler. i think that bioware games hold a special place in the sjw community for one reason or another, because they feel that it represents them. That's all well and good until you realize that this is exactly the kind of marketing ploy a company would use to ensnare brand loyalty by politicising the issue. And on that note, I think that lots of people are tired of politicised products which implicitly criticise you for disliking them even if they are a shit product (the new ghostbusters controversy is an example). The fact remains that buying bioware games doesn't exactly forward any cause, in the end, they are just increasingly mediocre games shown up by superior competitors like TW3. Yes I will give ME:A a chance in that I feel like the team behind it might genuinely have something good on their hands but given the lack of information and gameplay, I am not going into it with high expectations and this is certainty their last chance from me. Well said, although i'm sure most of what you said will be lost on this board. I'm with you. I'll buy it but i'm not optimistic about how good it'll be considering Bioware staff have been like lemmings off the EA cliff during this games development.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 31, 2017 8:19:31 GMT
Dragon Age games are decent as far as storyline as far as concerned but when it comes to level design, graphics and combat it is a disaster. I can barely play Origins because the gameplay in combat mode is very slow and the quests are boring and tedious, and DA:I lost it's substance to be GOTY (I think someone paid them to put them GOTY) I mean are the people there are not good at certain things or they're just cheap and lazy? And BioWare doesn't see this as a problem that they should fix? I'm beginning to see why people are leaving the company since the beginning of making Andromeda.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 31, 2017 10:13:22 GMT
From skimming across various comments about the recent cinematic trailer and briefing, I can add an another point of critique: * "Cora is a feminist!!! Can't Bioware make attractive female characters?/ Why do they always have to cater to SJWs?"
I do think Cora is ugly, but why overreacting like that?
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