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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 14:11:47 GMT
The destroy ending was the only one that made a lick of sense. IMO, to do other than destroy the reapers was to completely negate and spit on everything Shepard learned and accomplished up to that point. Boiled down, the Reapers were the result of computer error. Starbrat needed proper defragging. Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Destroy is the only plausible pick. imo. Of course, I blame the creators of the Star Brat AI for not giving it a proper goal with limitations. Anyone remember Colussus (movie and novel)?
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 14:28:58 GMT
What do you want people to look at, in particular? We do know there's criticism about the game. There's criticism here as well. What I can say by reading quickly that page is that the comments aren't the illogical mess I saw in other forums, although I'm not going to read the whole thread. Just the page not the entire thread and they made some valid points about the game. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Character progression.
Yes, we know about the leveling up system. Yes, we know there is more dialogue that "three ME games combined" (sarcastic). Yes, we know the combat is more fluid. We know about the combat profiles that replaced the class mechanic of old. We know lots. However, very little is known about the character progression mechanic.
In other words, how does our dear PC grow in this game? Is it the ability to weave non hostile races towards humanity's POV? Getting in the sack with many willing partners or a permanent romance? Maybe it's getting our divergent squadmates' philosophical differences put aside for the "greater good". And, maybe, it's getting the Khett politocos to come around and control the Archon and we all sing Kumbaya at the end.
Bio's emphasis is shooting and exploring.... not RPG elements.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:34:13 GMT
The destroy ending was the only one that made a lick of sense. IMO, to do other than destroy the reapers was to completely negate and spit on everything Shepard learned and accomplished up to that point. Boiled down, the Reapers were the result of computer error. Starbrat needed proper defragging. Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Destroy is the only plausible pick. imo. Of course, I blame the creators of the Star Brat AI for not giving it a proper goal with limitations. Anyone remember Colussus (movie and novel)?
I disagree. It's just my opinion, and I'm not saying any of you are wrong. But to me, Control is the best option of the three. The problem was the way it was presented. I don't see how that spit on everything we accomplished so far. If you can't adapt to new circumstances and information and believe you've been always right in eliminating them, you're not seeing the whole picture, it becomes shortsightedness. Imagine if you're Shepard, you now have the knowledge of all the species that came before, dating back billions of years, you can rebuild the galaxy, you can provide advancements for all the species without giving an edge to a single one (if you want it, that is. Unlike the asari), you actually have the power to keep the Krogan in check (if you saved them). You can also keep the Leviathans in check (who's to say they won't spread out to the galaxy again conquering everyone after the Reapers are gone?). You also can save the geth, and they are the ideal option to ensure the conflict organics vs synthetics never happen again (because they're the most able to convince future synthetics that their masters don't need to be destroyed). And if all else fails, you can make sure there won't be galactic annihilation again. And in the future, when you make sure everyone got their shit together, you (and if you want it) can simply destroy the Reapers yourself. If you go with Synthesis, it's also a good option, but not as good because you're forcing everyone to adapt to a new mode of existence (while in control, you can merely guide them). If you go with Destroy, you're making the efforts to reestablish galactic civilization much harder (until all the mass relays get repaired), you can potentially unleash the Leviathans after everyone again, you got all synthetics destroy and that does not bode well when your descendants start creating them again. You can also let reaper tech fall into the wrong hands and some species start developing much faster than others and use it to dominate them. You can also potentially doom the galaxy with a new krogan boom (if you cure the genophage). It's a lot more chaotic than the others. If you refuse, I don't even need to go there, obviously. Many may argue, "but you're not Shepard, You don't know that Shepard won't try and kill everyone later" Yes, maybe, but I'm roleplaying as if I'm her in that position, what I would do. Destroy - good short term (everyone happy, rebuilding, including the krogan); bad long term (everyone will eventually spread into wars again.) Control - best short term; best long term. (For reasons stated above) Synthesis - worst short term (everyone having to deal with this forced change on them); good long term (unless the reapers start harvesting everyone again because they discovered a new problem with this way of life, they're still unchecked) Still, MY OPINION ONLY.PS: In the end, it boils down to how we want to roleplay and what is more important to us. Keep our friends happy, ourselves happy or the future generations.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 15:05:25 GMT
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Destroy is the only plausible pick. imo. Of course, I blame the creators of the Star Brat AI for not giving it a proper goal with limitations. Anyone remember Colussus (movie and novel)?
I disagree. It's just my opinion, and I'm not saying any of you are wrong. But to me, Control is the best option of the three. Big Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Control was my first and immediate choice. However, upon reflection, I realized that as a human being power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thus, in the end, any starting "human moral" goal would be corrupted beyond recognition.
You see, control is another form of a Star Brat. The method may be different but in the end, it's the same thing... plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose as the french saying goes.
Besides, whether we realize it or not, Free Will is a wonderful gift. Control removes it from us. The novel 1984 is quite illuminating in that respect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:27:54 GMT
I disagree. It's just my opinion, and I'm not saying any of you are wrong. But to me, Control is the best option of the three. Big Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Control was my first and immediate choice. However, upon reflection, I realized that as a human being power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thus, in the end, any starting "human moral" goal would be corrupted beyond recognition.
You see, control is another form of a Star Brat. The method may be different but in the end, it's the same thing... plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose as the french saying goes.
Besides, whether we realize it or not, Free Will is a wonderful gift. Control removes it from us. The novel 1984 is quite illuminating in that respect.
Maybe, but if it's "the more things change, more they stay the same", I don't see how that would apply to Shepard in this situation. I'm not judging, just curious. Think, she/he doesn't need any money, don't sleep, don't get tired, and already have all the knowledge and power possible. Shepard has everything, and doesn't have emotions to stand in the way anymore (power corrupts because of emotions, not a clear head), and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly challenge their reign. Again, not a critique, just curious what could be your reasons for this line of thought or if anyone else wants to enlighten us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:34:14 GMT
and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly change their reign. The conquest of another galaxy? Say, Andromeda? I mean, it's not too far away to bother or anything. amirite?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:37:41 GMT
and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly change their reign. The conquest of another galaxy? Say, Andromeda? I mean, it's not too far away to bother or anything. amirite? Yup, that's a good one. But then again, I'm putting myself as Shepard and what I would do if I was the Reaper Overlord.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 15:49:21 GMT
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Control was my first and immediate choice. However, upon reflection, I realized that as a human being power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thus, in the end, any starting "human moral" goal would be corrupted beyond recognition.
You see, control is another form of a Star Brat. The method may be different but in the end, it's the same thing... plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose as the french saying goes.
Besides, whether we realize it or not, Free Will is a wonderful gift. Control removes it from us. The novel 1984 is quite illuminating in that respect.
Maybe, but if it's "the more things change, more they stay the same", I don't see how that would apply to Shepard in this situation. I'm not judging, just curious. Think, she/he doesn't need any money, don't sleep, don't get tired, and already have all the knowledge and power possible. Shepard has everything, and doesn't have emotions to stand in the way anymore (power corrupts because of emotions, not a clear head), and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly challenge their reign. Again, not a critique, just curious what could be your reasons for this line of thought or if anyone else wants to enlighten us. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
We disagree on one fundamental assumption and that is:
A- Shep does not get corrupted B- Shep eventually gets corrupted.
Philosophically speaking, GOD cannot become corrupted because if His Righteousness. Shep, not a god, can't say that. Remember, that while Shep becomes the "Overseer", Shep also starts from a position of imperfection. Imperfection and absolute power leads to corruption.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 3, 2017 15:50:19 GMT
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Control was my first and immediate choice. However, upon reflection, I realized that as a human being power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thus, in the end, any starting "human moral" goal would be corrupted beyond recognition.
You see, control is another form of a Star Brat. The method may be different but in the end, it's the same thing... plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose as the french saying goes.
Besides, whether we realize it or not, Free Will is a wonderful gift. Control removes it from us. The novel 1984 is quite illuminating in that respect.
Maybe, but if it's "the more things change, more they stay the same", I don't see how that would apply to Shepard in this situation. I'm not judging, just curious. Think, she/he doesn't need any money, don't sleep, don't get tired, and already have all the knowledge and power possible. Shepard has everything, and doesn't have emotions to stand in the way anymore (power corrupts because of emotions, not a clear head), and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly challenge their reign. Again, not a critique, just curious what could be your reasons for this line of thought or if anyone else wants to enlighten us. As I understood the Control ending, Shepard actually dies. The reapers are then controlled by an AI who has the same personality traits as Shepard. But Shepard him/herself is gone. There is no spacemagical transfer of his/her spirit to the AI or something, it's just used as a template, and that process kills Shepard. Control just takes the chances that this new AI will not conclude one day that it's best to just kill all organics instead of constantly fixing their messes. Sure, the AI may think it's Shepard... but it isn't.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 3, 2017 15:53:57 GMT
I don't think the AI thinks it's Shepard. This new AI functions based on Shepard's beliefs. That's why it lead to two different outcome with Paragon being more of a guardian and renegade apready showing hints of a more aggressive approach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:55:40 GMT
Maybe, but if it's "the more things change, more they stay the same", I don't see how that would apply to Shepard in this situation. I'm not judging, just curious. Think, she/he doesn't need any money, don't sleep, don't get tired, and already have all the knowledge and power possible. Shepard has everything, and doesn't have emotions to stand in the way anymore (power corrupts because of emotions, not a clear head), and if her/his goals are not galactic annihilation, I don't see what else could play here. Totalitarianism? He/she doesn't even need to worry about losing power, there isn't anyone that could possibly challenge their reign. Again, not a critique, just curious what could be your reasons for this line of thought or if anyone else wants to enlighten us. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
We disagree on one fundamental assumption and that is:
A- Shep does not get corrupted B- Shep eventually gets corrupted.
Philosophically speaking, GOD cannot become corrupted because if His Righteousness. Shep, not a god, can't say that. Remember, that while Shep becomes the "Overseer", Shep also starts from a position of imperfection. Imperfection and absolute power leads to corruption.
But we assume GOD is an organic. Machines can't think of anything that is not logical, and Shepard is not an organic anymore. To become corrupt, you have to take into account emotions. You may be flawed as an synthetic, but not "corrupted".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:57:03 GMT
The Elder King, Gileadan, that's some very good points, if it's not Shepard, then it might be anything.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
I don't think the AI thinks it's Shepard. This new AI functions based on Shepard's beliefs. That's why it lead to two different outcome with Paragon being more of a guardian and renegade apready showing hints of a more aggressive approach. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
The question, though, is who/what is in control. The AI may absorb/integrate Shep's Mind Matrix into its own but the core directive still remains. How this new integration affects the AI is up for debate.
At the end of the day, Control is still anathema to me.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 3, 2017 16:09:13 GMT
I don't think the AI thinks it's Shepard. This new AI functions based on Shepard's beliefs. That's why it lead to two different outcome with Paragon being more of a guardian and renegade apready showing hints of a more aggressive approach. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
The question, though, is who/what is in control. The AI may absorb/integrate Shep's Mind Matrix into its own but the core directive still remains. How this new integration affects the AI is up for debate.
At the end of the day, Control is still anathema to me.
The core directive of the new AI is based on Shepard's beliefs, not Starbrat's. It's a new AI, not based on the previous one. Its directive is different.
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Post by traks on Feb 3, 2017 16:33:49 GMT
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The question, though, is who/what is in control. The AI may absorb/integrate Shep's Mind Matrix into its own but the core directive still remains. How this new integration affects the AI is up for debate.
At the end of the day, Control is still anathema to me.
The core directive of the new AI is based on Shepard's beliefs, not Starbrat's. It's a new AI, not based on the previous one. Its directive is different.And so can be the one of the person/VI that takes control away from the Shepard VI. As long as something can control the Reapers, they remain a threat for the ME universe.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 3, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
The core directive of the new AI is based on Shepard's beliefs, not Starbrat's. It's a new AI, not based on the previous one. Its directive is different.And so can be the one of the person/VI that takes control away from the Shepard VI. As long as something can control the Reapers, they remain a threat for the ME universe. How? It didn't happen for thousands of years, I don't see why it'd happen now. That's in any case a different issue then the new AI changing priorities.
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Post by traks on Feb 3, 2017 16:46:15 GMT
And so can be the one of the person/VI that takes control away from the Shepard VI. As long as something can control the Reapers, they remain a threat for the ME universe. How? It didn't happen for thousands of years, I don't see why it'd happen now. That's in any case a different issue then the new AI changing priorities. If you use the Reapers, someone will find out that and how they are controlled - same way we found out. When you calculate what will happen after your decision on how to use the crucible you have (IMO) to take the possibility into account that you might not be able to hold control forever, because you just proved that it CAN be taken away. That's why control wasn't an option for me (besides never wanting that power in the first place). Synthesis was a decision no one should make for everyone else, so destroy was really the only option for my Shepards, who believed in free will etc.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 3, 2017 16:59:05 GMT
How? It didn't happen for thousands of years, I don't see why it'd happen now. That's in any case a different issue then the new AI changing priorities. If you use the Reapers, someone will find out that and how they are controlled - same way we found out. When you calculate what will happen after your decision on how to use the crucible you have (IMO) to take the possibility into account that you might not be able to hold control forever, because you just proved that it CAN be taken away. That's why control wasn't an option for me (besides never wanting that power in the first place). Synthesis was a decision no one should make for everyone else, so destroy was really the only option for my Shepards, who believed in free will etc. Keep in mind howewer that The AI willingly gave Shepard the chance and knowledge to achieve those different paths. The new AI might now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 17:03:15 GMT
How? It didn't happen for thousands of years, I don't see why it'd happen now. That's in any case a different issue then the new AI changing priorities. If you use the Reapers, someone will find out that and how they are controlled - same way we found out. When you calculate what will happen after your decision on how to use the crucible you have (IMO) to take the possibility into account that you might not be able to hold control forever, because you just proved that it CAN be taken away. That's why control wasn't an option for me (besides never wanting that power in the first place). Synthesis was a decision no one should make for everyone else, so destroy was really the only option for my Shepards, who believed in free will etc. It was taken away once. It doesn't mean it will always work, because Shepard can modify the Citadel basic structure to accommodate this flaw. It might take another billions of years for civilizations to develop a new plan in case Shepard decides to start harvesting again. Even the Leviathan artifacts in the war were to be used carefully because the Reapers could develop a countermeasure. It's in the game! But all this is derailing the discussion, it was not the point of my first argument. Sorry!!
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Post by traks on Feb 3, 2017 17:08:54 GMT
If you use the Reapers, someone will find out that and how they are controlled - same way we found out. When you calculate what will happen after your decision on how to use the crucible you have (IMO) to take the possibility into account that you might not be able to hold control forever, because you just proved that it CAN be taken away. That's why control wasn't an option for me (besides never wanting that power in the first place). Synthesis was a decision no one should make for everyone else, so destroy was really the only option for my Shepards, who believed in free will etc. Keep in mind howewer that The AI willingly gave Shepard the chance and knowledge to achieve those different paths. The new AI might now. The crucible changed it's programming. (But I guess this really gets off-topic.)
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 3, 2017 17:50:43 GMT
Control ending would present an interesting philosophical choice had the game allowed us to adopt a similar viewpoint before. As it stands, Shepard isn't allowed to agree with Illusive Man first on Mars, then on Thessia, and ultimately on the Citadel even when IM openly advocates control as opposed to destroy. Wouldn't it be infinitely more interesting if ME3 actually made it possible for us to side with him? Of course, BioWare would never have done that because it would entail huge changes to mission design. Why would Shepard agree with IM and then work against him the entire game, on Sur'Kesh all the way to Cronos Station? Naturally, since BioWare didn't want that, they turned Cerberus into Reaper lackeys after Shepard having worked for them the previous game. There's a lot here that doesn't make much sense.
From a strictly role-playing perspective, it's hard to justify Control when the game didn't allow me to express similar sentiments before. I can swallow Synthesis a little easier. Once I played a totally anarchist and revolutionary kinda New Age "destroy the establishment and start anew" Shepard which found Synthesis an intriguing option to shatter status quo once and for all, and let the dice fall where they may.
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Post by jarretyn on Feb 3, 2017 20:01:07 GMT
I still believe in IT Theory.
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 3, 2017 20:13:24 GMT
I still believe in IT Theory. It was a phenomenal theory while it lasted! Honestly, after all Shepard went through and all the little hints throughout the last game, he should have been susceptible to indoctrination.
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Post by Koss on Feb 3, 2017 20:35:41 GMT
I still believe in IT Theory. Agreed!
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 21:12:26 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
The question, though, is who/what is in control. The AI may absorb/integrate Shep's Mind Matrix into its own but the core directive still remains. How this new integration affects the AI is up for debate.
At the end of the day, Control is still anathema to me.
The core directive of the new AI is based on Shepard's beliefs, not Starbrat's. It's a new AI, not based on the previous one. Its directive is different. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Assuming that's the case I see an imperfection taking control again.
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