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Post by Iakus on Feb 8, 2017 20:11:36 GMT
I still don't understand why people keep on relating the ending of ME3 with ME:A. ME:A is a spin-off; they called blank slate on it. Furthermore, the arks and the Nexus leave the Milky Way in 2185, one year before the events told in ME3. I thought this thread was about Mass Effect Andromeda skepticism; all these pages about the ending of ME3 are way off topic. Because ME3, and Bioware's reaction to the backlash, is precisely why a lot of us are skeptical about MEA. Are they going to use similar themes? Will they handwave lore inconsistencies again? How are they going to explain the tech level of Andromeda wihtout a billion year cycle of destruction holding it back like the MW had? If the ending sucks, are they going to blame us (again) for not "getting it" Given they still haven't walked back the endings, is RGB still "canon" and how will that affect later games? For that matter, are we changing galaxies every time Bioware fraks up the franchise? Essentially, it all boils down to "After ME3, why should we trust them again?"
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 8, 2017 20:11:36 GMT
I suppose, if I am to love the series again, ME:A will have to pull a fairly good sized rabbit out of its hat. Because the OT does have a metric ton of baggage. Maybe one day...in a far off land, they might revisit the MW galaxy. But that wont be any time soon I think.
Shep dying was only one aspect of fan outcry. Because the death felt hollow. Plus those of us who spammed MP resources to get the best options available at the end wanted something more for all the extra effort.
I think the reason why most of us go back to ME endpoint is because its still a sore point that directly effected ME:A by the total shift to a wildly different galaxy. The old trilogy got the "Welp, we borked it! Scored Earth and all that! HEY! Time to pack up and leave everyone! WEEEE!"
I hope things go well but I am cautious.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 8, 2017 20:22:36 GMT
Oh so wikipedia was your go-to source on that one instead of stepping up to the challenge? Interesting. It's not a fallacy since what I was trying to show you was how hard writing a story, let alone an interesting one, actually is. But if you want to remain part of the peanut gallery then by all means... The other reason its not a fallacy is people who have no credentials have no right to criticise someone for doing what they think is a bad job. How can someone who isnt even a writer and has had nothing published possibly criticise someone who does write? It's ludicrous. If you're going to put forward a problem, don't do it without putting forward a better alternative. Its called showing people how its done. I suppose you think I can't complain about Trump because I'm not a president? Don't you complain about my Fuhrer. Hi, Dutch Make Mass Effect Great Again
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Feb 8, 2017 20:28:47 GMT
people who have no credentials have no right to criticise someone for doing what they think is a bad job. How can someone who isnt even a writer and has had nothing published possibly criticise someone who does write? By this kind of "logic", art, music, film and book critics wouldn't be able to do their jobs if they weren't artists / musicians / directors / writers. By this kind of "logic", no one would be allowed to have any opinions whatsoever outside their own field of expertise. Look at this thread. People cant even come up with a coherant reason why the ending is bad. "er... because red green and blue" "err because choice number 2" "Errmm because immersion" you cant trust people like that to give you an HONEST answer. Wow, just... wow. If you're going into this debate with the assumption that nobody's going to be honest about what they really think, it's no wonder you can't be convinced by any arguments. People did list their arguments, and they were plenty coherent. And despite the fact that you're arguing with just about everyone in this thread, you can't even consider the possibility that people might actually be sincere in the arguments they're presenting to you? That's really fucking sad and immature. You hear that guys? We're all liars.
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Post by armass81 on Feb 8, 2017 20:41:51 GMT
When it's a fight for survival, particularly against a far more advanced foe, the reason is essentially academic. As Loki put it: "An ant has no quarrel with a boot" The Reapers staying mysterious would be fine as long as we could find a way to save ourselves from them that didn't suck. This. Also, I've wondered if the end may have felt more satisfying overall if Shepard had actually defeated the reapers. What we got instead was Shepard laying there bleeding out after having opened the Citadel's arms for the Crucible to dock, and being more or less rescued by the enemy. Never mind the complete lack of sense in the notion that Shepard's presence had somehow "changed the variables" that resulted in the Catalyst deciding that their current "solution" would no longer work. Never mind that after countless eons of endless cycles of utter violence, Shepard's arrival somehow pushed a magic button that caused the Catalyst to turn the reaper's fate over to Shepard. And the Catalyst allowed Shepard to choose to destroy all of the "lives" it had been "preserving", which flies in the face of the mandate it had been given. Shepard did not defeat the reapers; their own faulty logic did. It was not a case of finding an enemy's weakness and exploiting it; the Catalyst handed the reigns to a bleeding out nearly dead Shepard on a silver platter and offered Shepard the opportunity to end the cycles. As the ending of a single game it would have been plenty unsatisfying, as the ending of a trilogy it was... well, I don't have the words. I think the explanation for this is as goes here (at least thats how i understood it): organics have grown too unpredictable and resourceful for the reapers to control and harvest efficiently, the current cycle(which averted the first invasion with the help of the previous cycle) and the existance and use of the crucible proves this, that their plan is not perfect and that there are leaks. Shepard is the avatar of the organics now and her being there where no one has ever been before, her presence in essence proves all the above. I think that the catalyst realizes its cycle will eventually stop working as a solution, also the crucible that is attached to it now offers these new solutions. Now is it good, no, but at least it explains it a bit. And as i recall alot of people did want the reapers explained, pre ME3. Certainly were alot fo theories abound.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 8, 2017 20:43:56 GMT
There appears to be a Horseshoe Effect even outside of politics. ME3 ending so polarizing that it has more gravitational pull then what we saw in Interstellar.
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Oh and as far as criticizing things, we paid for a product and its normal to be disappointed/vocal when said product goes AWOL at the end.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 8, 2017 20:50:40 GMT
I still don't understand why people keep on relating the ending of ME3 with ME:A. ME:A is a spin-off; they called blank slate on it. Furthermore, the arks and the Nexus leave the Milky Way in 2185, one year before the events told in ME3. I thought this thread was about Mass Effect Andromeda skepticism; all these pages about the ending of ME3 are way off topic. I must have this thread to release pent up salt. If I can get my levels low enough to see some lets plays, I might use money to get this game, but I must have venting options.
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 8, 2017 21:15:28 GMT
I still don't understand why people keep on relating the ending of ME3 with ME:A. ME:A is a spin-off; they called blank slate on it. Furthermore, the arks and the Nexus leave the Milky Way in 2185, one year before the events told in ME3. I thought this thread was about Mass Effect Andromeda skepticism; all these pages about the ending of ME3 are way off topic. Because ME3, and Bioware's reaction to the backlash, is precisely why a lot of us are skeptical about MEA. Are they going to use similar themes? Will they handwave lore inconsistencies again? How are they going to explain the tech level of Andromeda wihtout a billion year cycle of destruction holding it back like the MW had? If the ending sucks, are they going to blame us (again) for not "getting it" Given they still haven't walked back the endings, is RGB still "canon" and how will that affect later games? For that matter, are we changing galaxies every time Bioware fraks up the franchise? Essentially, it all boils down to "After ME3, why should we trust them again?" They made other games that don't have these flaws. I think ME3 was kinda rushed; Dragon Age Inquisition came out much better. I expect they have learned from their mistakes. And I think tech can't go beyond a specific level without becoming... what? Magic? They aren't creating "Dragon Age Andromeda"! Furthermore, wars and mass extinctions can always occur, even without Reapers. I'm not hyperenthusiastic, and I'm no hater either. What I say is: we shall see. I'm quite optimistic though: they have had 5 years to improve ME:A.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 9, 2017 1:51:35 GMT
When it's a fight for survival, particularly against a far more advanced foe, the reason is essentially academic. As Loki put it: "An ant has no quarrel with a boot" The Reapers staying mysterious would be fine as long as we could find a way to save ourselves from them that didn't suck. Berserkers would have worked fine. The Reapers' aggression isn't the conceptual problem. The problem is their bizarre lack of aggression between cycles. The ME2 writer -- don't know if this was still Drew K. -- who came up with the Reapers being made out of organics improved on ME1 by establishing a dependency, but it's hard to see why free-range organics are better than farmed organics for Reaper purposes.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 9, 2017 2:15:12 GMT
How are they going to explain the tech level of Andromeda wihtout a billion year cycle of destruction holding it back like the MW had? If the ending sucks, are they going to blame us (again) for not "getting it" Given they still haven't walked back the endings, is RGB still "canon" and how will that affect later games? For that matter, are we changing galaxies every time Bioware fraks up the franchise? I'll take a whack at these. Tech levels could be handled the way Star Trek did. Technological civilizations are only around for a short time before advancing enough to become something non-physical and not very concerned with day-to-day reality. We'll need more info on the Remnant to make this call, though. Blame us? Of course, if they believe they were right and we were wrong. What else would they do? RGB's status is almost certainly undecided at this point. Provisionally canon, but there's no real truth-value to assign to the proposition until someone at Bio is actively considering a return to the MW. And changing galaxies won't be necessary. That's the advantage of only using one cluster. There's plenty of Andromeda left.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 9, 2017 2:21:54 GMT
How are they going to explain the tech level of Andromeda wihtout a billion year cycle of destruction holding it back like the MW had? If the ending sucks, are they going to blame us (again) for not "getting it" Given they still haven't walked back the endings, is RGB still "canon" and how will that affect later games? For that matter, are we changing galaxies every time Bioware fraks up the franchise? I'll take a whack at these. Tech levels could be handled the way Star Trek did. Technological civilizations are only around for a short time before advancing enough to become something non-physical and not very concerned with day-to-day reality. We'll need more info on the Remnant to make this call, though. Blame us? Of course, if they believe they were right and we were wrong. What else would they do? RGB's status is almost certainly undecided at this point. Provisionally canon, but there's no real truth-value to assign to the proposition until someone at Bio is actively considering a return to the MW. And changing galaxies won't be necessary. That's the advantage of only using one cluster. There's plenty of Andromeda left. Not to mention the occasional species going extinct.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 9, 2017 2:24:35 GMT
How are they going to explain the tech level of Andromeda wihtout a billion year cycle of destruction holding it back like the MW had? If the ending sucks, are they going to blame us (again) for not "getting it" Given they still haven't walked back the endings, is RGB still "canon" and how will that affect later games? For that matter, are we changing galaxies every time Bioware fraks up the franchise? I'll take a whack at these. Tech levels could be handled the way Star Trek did. Technological civilizations are only around for a short time before advancing enough to become something non-physical and not very concerned with day-to-day reality. We'll need more info on the Remnant to make this call, though. Blame us? Of course, if they believe they were right and we were wrong. What else would they do? RGB's status is almost certainly undecided at this point. Provisionally canon, but there's no real truth-value to assign to the proposition until someone at Bio is actively considering a return to the MW. And changing galaxies won't be necessary. That's the advantage of only using one cluster. There's plenty of Andromeda left. Ah, but we were told that without a cycle of destruction, organic life will be "inevitably" destroyed by synthetic life. SO where are the techno-gods of Andromeda? What else would they do? I dunno, try to understand? Engage us? Try to figure out where the anger comes from? You understand that RGB is a major elephant in the room when it comes to the Mass Effect setting, so it's status even if offscreen, is a factor for some. The Mass Effect trilogy only took place across a small portion of the galaxy, yet the MW is still spoiled for future games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 9, 2017 2:28:22 GMT
[x] stay classy, BSN. If a poster is dazzling you with inordinate amounts of wit, blinding you, as it were, with the radiance of his or her intellect, argumentative acumen, and scholarly precision, feel free to just BLOCK them. That may not be an option for an admin. Admins may be required to be able to view all posts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 2:28:41 GMT
I'll take a whack at these. Tech levels could be handled the way Star Trek did. Technological civilizations are only around for a short time before advancing enough to become something non-physical and not very concerned with day-to-day reality. We'll need more info on the Remnant to make this call, though. Blame us? Of course, if they believe they were right and we were wrong. What else would they do? RGB's status is almost certainly undecided at this point. Provisionally canon, but there's no real truth-value to assign to the proposition until someone at Bio is actively considering a return to the MW. And changing galaxies won't be necessary. That's the advantage of only using one cluster. There's plenty of Andromeda left. Ah, but we were told that without a cycle of destruction, organic life will be "inevitably" destroyed by synthetic life. SO where are the techno-gods of Andromeda? What else would they do? I dunno, try to understand? Engage us? Try to figure out where the anger comes from? You understand that RGB is a major elephant in the room when it comes to the Mass Effect setting, so it's status even if offscreen, is a factor for some. The Mass Effect trilogy only took place across a small portion of the galaxy, yet the MW is still spoiled for future games. Yes, Bioware owes us a big explanation for that in Andromeda, even if behind the scenes. Otherwise...
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 9, 2017 2:30:19 GMT
]Ah, but we were told that without a cycle of destruction, organic life will be "inevitably" destroyed by synthetic life. SO where are the techno-gods of Andromeda? What else would they do? I dunno, try to understand? Engage us? Try to figure out where the anger comes from? You understand that RGB is a major elephant in the room when it comes to the Mass Effect setting, so it's status even if offscreen, is a factor for some. The Mass Effect trilogy only took place across a small portion of the galaxy, yet the MW is still spoiled for future games. I happen to agree. That's why, when we see how the Catalyst was wrong, I'm going to use that as evidence to conclude "bad programming" by the Leviathans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 2:32:53 GMT
]Ah, but we were told that without a cycle of destruction, organic life will be "inevitably" destroyed by synthetic life. SO where are the techno-gods of Andromeda? What else would they do? I dunno, try to understand? Engage us? Try to figure out where the anger comes from? You understand that RGB is a major elephant in the room when it comes to the Mass Effect setting, so it's status even if offscreen, is a factor for some. The Mass Effect trilogy only took place across a small portion of the galaxy, yet the MW is still spoiled for future games. I happen to agree. That's why, when we see how the Catalyst was wrong, I'm going to use that as evidence to conclude "bad programming" by the Leviathans.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 9, 2017 3:30:53 GMT
What else would they do? I dunno, try to understand? Engage us? Try to figure out where the anger comes from? You understand that RGB is a major elephant in the room when it comes to the Mass Effect setting, so it's status even if offscreen, is a factor for some. The Mass Effect trilogy only took place across a small portion of the galaxy, yet the MW is still spoiled for future games. News Flash: the Catalyst was wrong about pretty much everything. Bad guys generally are wrong about stuff, aren't they? If that was a problem in Androneda, it'd be a problem for Destroy too, and Bio ain't going there. As for blaming us, that comes after understanding the complaint. I figure the EC was about as far as Bio felt they were wrong about the ending. They probably think that the horrible botch of the Reaoers goals and methods was wrong too, but that one was no longer soluble. And people who can't deal with RGB being true somewhere in the galaxy should have dropped the series years ago. It's theoretically possible that they could screw up Andromeda through doing something really big in the current games, yep. It's hard to believe that they'd want to make that much more trouble for themselves, though. Anyway, worrying about sonething that many years in the future strikes me as an utter waste of your time. Are you actually doing that?
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Post by steamshipman on Feb 9, 2017 5:38:11 GMT
Is that what's stopping you? Or is it because you might be wrong? Look at this thread. People cant even come up with a coherant reason why the ending is bad. "er... because red green and blue" "err because choice number 2" "Errmm because immersion" you cant trust people like that to give you an HONEST answer. They wouldnt say yes because they dont have to. They refuse to admit that on a subconcious level thats the reason. So we'll leave it there. Is it some jedi trick right here? Also: A man is driving on the highway when radio reported that there is one crazy man on the road driving the wrong way. "What?" He says "Open your eyes, it's not one. Everyone!"
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 9, 2017 6:54:07 GMT
The first 10 mins of that vid, he hit the nail on the head, please ME:A....dont commit the same sins.
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The first 10 mins of that vid, he hit the nail on the head, please ME:A....dont commit the same sins. I'm sorry buit this was without doubt the biggest pile of manure I have ever had to watch. Not only did he completely miss the nail, but proceeded to hit his thumb and then blame the hammer. Let's forgo the constant irritating loud sighing and skip straight to it. I have taken notes on key areas and I only made it about two hours in with large skips before I had to stop. In the first ten minutes he waffles about being hurt but not explaining why. This is the equivalent of going to the doctor and screaming that you're in pain and then not explaining where the pain is. Unhelpful to anyone. A bit later on he talks about cheating boss fights. Specifically the Kai Leng fight... Hmm now where have I seen that before, oh yeah Mass Effect 1,2 Kotor 1,2 Baldurs gate 1.2 So pretty much every boss fight in every game by Bioware... yet this is the one you have a problem with? Talks about realism throughout the video like it should be a staple thing. Everything has to be realistic. No thats a classic mistake. video games often have to shed realism for the sake of gameplay. Then he made the point about not knowing what the crucible does even though right at the start of the game its explained its a blueprint for a weapon. Yeah. Then as if by magic, because he can't think of anything concrete, he starts nitpicking during the earth scene fight about how the reapers left the houses of parliament standing. Yeah, the Germans did something similar with that back in WWII. and Paris Eiffel Tower. Funny that isnt it? oh but because its a video game it should have been destroyed? Then it gets really interesting as he constantly says "As a writer"... and "As someone who understands story" I'm sorry what? a writer? What have you written thats been published? I dont remember seeing your name on anything. In fact i would go so far as to say I've never heard of you AT ALL. He then proceeds to become a director overnight. Amazing. I suppose because you have a twitch account they let you direct from time to time. Do you have Micheal Bay's number on speed dial? No? Hmm. Even though the problems he pointed out had been used in books, tv and film for the last 100 years... now where have I heard that before? Oh thats right I had already said it and it turns out to be true. At this point I was losing the will to live. He produced nothing concrete,apart from his own opinions which he tried to pass off as fact. Then he starts on another waflle using the [pretense that hes going to say something interesting. there is a long pause and he uses classic fillers such as "bear with me" and I'm going to make a point" this is classic time wasting tactics because he knows he doesnt have a point and he's making shit up. or rehashing the same shit thats already been said. Surely someone who was such an established writer and director such as he, would already know what he was going to say because he had already said it. No another armchair director/writer who never quie managed to get any of his dull boring crap published because he simply wasnt good enough. Then to add insult to injury he talks about railroading. Hmm now where have I seen video games who railroad players? Oh yeah ME1 and 2..... you know where im going with this. Sometimes the choice cant be a choice because it has to drive the story forward... but him being an accomplished writer would know this basic concept right? He evens goes so far as to compare this game to DnD. That right there is comparing apples to oranges. The comical thing about this video is it was called a lore run. Not once did he backup any of the utter nonsense he was spewing by backing it up with lore based facts. Just opinions which as we all know are like arseholes...everyones got them but they stay covered for a reason.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 9, 2017 15:56:05 GMT
But it doesn't change the fact that a decent amount of people feel that way. Just look at the comments in the video. Or even the comments below it. People had a visceral reaction to how everything didn't tie together. Logic, in this instance, doesn't have much to do with it.
To me, the Crucible was a poorly constructed red herring/deus ex weapon. They could have used the Keepers in the other games, since it was already built in during ME1 but they went with that giant boondoggle.
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Post by sinkingfish on Feb 9, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
But it doesn't change the fact that a decent amount of people feel that way. Just look at the comments in the video. Or even the comments below it. People had a visceral reaction to how everything didn't tie together. Logic, in this instance, doesn't have much to do with it. To me, the Crucible was a poorly constructed red herring/deus ex weapon. They could have used the Keepers in the other games, since it was already built in during ME1 but they went with that giant boondoggle. I'm not arguing that a large number of people feel this way. But when you examine the logic or though process behind it it starts to fall apart. In the video I replied to, the guy made a point of telling us that on no fewer than 27 occassions, we had been told that we couldnt defeat the reapers by conventional means. he then goes on to show a cut scene in which two (of a presumably larger fleet which outnumbers the Aliiance) gets destroyed. He then tries to use this as a basis for telling us that the reapers could have been defeated. I beleive later on there is a cut scene that shows most if not all of the Alliance fleet in peices with the reapers still there. What I beleive the developers were trying to say, was not that the reapers couldnt be damaged but that you wouldnt win by conventional means. This is not the same thing. he, yet again, took things out of context. WWII, Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting nuked was the only thing that won the war. The Japanese much like the Reapers, didnt know how to surerender. The crucible forced them to do so. The war was won by an ultimate show on force on both occasions. I beleive he made a point about how the narrative went up and down with a rollercoaster of emotions and how writing/stories shouldnt be like that. WHAT? Since when? If everything was logically sound nobody would buy that game. Because logic isn't exciting. Nobody was sitting on the edge of their seat when Spock opened his mouth. I remember watching a clip of Anthony Hopkins talking about classic movies. If I recall correctly he talked about how a lot of people complain that films/shows are too hokey or cheesy and then he said " so what, life is hokey" In other words it doesnt matter whether its not logical or cheesy because sometimes thats what we experience in life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 17:30:17 GMT
WWII, Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting nuked was the only thing that won the war. The Japanese much like the Reapers, didnt know how to surerender. The crucible forced them to do so. The war was won by an ultimate show on force on both occasions. This bolded line is historically wrong on so many levels. Japan Was militarily exhausted long before the summer of 1945. And facing three allied powers now unencumbered by the European front would mean certain doom. The A-bombs just quickend Japan's surrender and showed the soviets that they couldn't grab too many lands in the east.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 9, 2017 17:51:04 GMT
The first 10 mins of that vid, he hit the nail on the head, please ME:A....dont commit the same sins. What the actual fuck? Four hours of salty gamer tears?
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 9, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
But it doesn't change the fact that a decent amount of people feel that way. Just look at the comments in the video. Or even the comments below it. People had a visceral reaction to how everything didn't tie together. Logic, in this instance, doesn't have much to do with it. But that's exactly the problem with the video. It's not just "I didn't like ME3," it's "I didn't like ME3 for these reasons," and the reason part gets to be judged on its logic. If cheating boss fights are one of the most serious problems with ME3, then why didn't they sink all the other Bio games which used them? Unless you want to say that KotOR et al. sucked too -- a perfectly defensible position -- then you have to come up with a reason why the Kai Leng fight was worse than the Malak fight, etc.
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