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Post by Madflavor on Mar 7, 2017 3:31:01 GMT

Bullet sponge enemies have been in every Mass Effect game, and given that these games have RPG elements to them with some weapons doing more damage than others, you can't expect to gun down enemies in 1-3 bullets like Call of Duty.

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Mar 7, 2017 3:31:01 GMT Madflavor said:

Bullet sponge enemies have been in every Mass Effect game, and given that these games have RPG elements to them with some weapons doing more damage than others, you can't expect to gun down enemies in 1-3 bullets like Call of Duty.

Pretty much. There's only a few ways you can go around making the game more difficult. Incredibly diverse AI (which is still never better than human intelligence), throwing tons of enemies at the player or by giving them more health. Mass Effect tends to go with giving the enemies more health but they also attempt to give it a lore reason by slapping on heavy armour and shields.

Either way Im totally fine with the enemies being a bit of a sponge, its not as bad as some games. Besides, they already said they wouldn't be slapping on extra shields and armour if you play on harder difficulties but rather they're making the enemy AI slightly more aggressive depending on the difficulty.

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Feb 17, 2017 6:01:49 GMT dutchsghost7 said:

Feb 17, 2017 1:00:23 GMT Link"Guess"ski said:

As someone who is almost "straight outta school" this is disheartening to read from someone who left BW Edmonton in December
I know Montreal is working on this game primarily, but I hope BioWare can pick up themselves and stop being... like the way this guy describes them. I hope to god Montreal has a better management than this or else that's probably why some of Andromeda's sneak peeks have been so strangely underwhelming. I'm almost certain this is not the way BioWare has always been and somehow I don't think this fellow youngster employee is expecting too much of a reknowned AAA company to be saying these things, let alone giving them bottom-ranking score.

For pros:
1: So that's how Mac Walters is now Creative Director. I always wondered how that came about after... you know what.
3: The regular employees are great people? Good to know...

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1: I now understand the previous emphasis. Anyone who isn't regular is "part of the BW family" that drink beers together and share pictures of lolcats while their subordinates work because they're friends outside of the company. Great company structure, good for morale, would love not to work there.
2: Oh, and Mark Darrah plays games and gets money for it too. Nice to know.
3: Oh you don't say? Because, I didn't get that impression at all from interviews with Aaryn Flynn.
4: Mac Walters's real agenda for being so high up whilist not doing a solid job since he became lead writer.
5: Manveer Heir, oh how have you not been told to leave yet?

I was supposed to be talking about the team making ME:A though wasn't I? Oh yeah... about that... :crying:

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Bioware isn't a great studio to work at these days and it's primarily because of the doctors "leaving". Bioware regularly hires out of college students and then culls them later on so basically most of their staff are inexperienced hence why their games never really look AAA.

That is exactly the problem that I see and the game shows why.

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Mar 7, 2017 3:31:01 GMT Madflavor said:

Bullet sponge enemies have been in every Mass Effect game, and given that these games have RPG elements to them with some weapons doing more damage than others, you can't expect to gun down enemies in 1-3 bullets like Call of Duty.

They could be realistic with it and it would be efficient that way.

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Mar 7, 2017 9:14:09 GMT cloud9 said:

Mar 7, 2017 3:31:01 GMT Madflavor said:

Bullet sponge enemies have been in every Mass Effect game, and given that these games have RPG elements to them with some weapons doing more damage than others, you can't expect to gun down enemies in 1-3 bullets like Call of Duty.

They could be realistic with it and it would be efficient that way.

They could try to find a middle ground, but what you're suggesting it's impossible. Killing an enemy with 2-3 bullets, and who know with how little biotics and tech, won't help the gameplay. Expecially considering in this case the player character has to die with 2-3 bullets as well.

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Post by stysiaq on Mar 7, 2017 11:47:19 GMT

Mar 7, 2017 9:23:28 GMT @babylon5 said:

so Bioware. Ice and Water? Water and Ice? WTF?

Yep, it's stupid, but I didn't find it stupid to the point of being funny.

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Mar 7, 2017 11:47:19 GMT stysiaq said:

Mar 7, 2017 9:23:28 GMT @babylon5 said:

so Bioware. Ice and Water? Water and Ice? WTF?

Yep, it's stupid, but I didn't find it stupid to the point of being funny.

I do find it stupid enough to be sad though.

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It wasn't really that big a deal, and I can't say I found the video amusing. The joke got extremely old extremely quickly. Water and ice could be being categorized as the same resource in that sentence.

On another note, can we rename the thread "Mass Effect Andromeda Nitpicking Thread"? No one ever seems to bring up anything that is actually potentially game breaking. Just some subpar animations and... that's actually almost everything anyone ever has to say about anything. I guess every once in awhile there's some concern for the writing, but everything has been said that could possibly be said, so by now it's just become redundant. I don't see new people coming in very often.

At least if we called it the "Nitpicking Thread" there'd be some legitimate reason to talk continuously without ever actually saying anything.

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Post by havox on Mar 8, 2017 20:56:11 GMT

blog.bioware.com/2017/03/08/international-womens-day/

Claire: I’m an in-game animator. I make the characters and creatures move in the game. Running, attacking, jumping, dying. Mostly dying.

Now we finally see the faces of tumblrina diversity hires responsible for the Mass Effect Inquisition disaster.
There are people in this very thread who have unironically per-ordered ME:A giving them money :hue:

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The Andromeda Initiative is actually a eugenics program (disguised as an exploratory program to avoid legal issues) designed to gather the ugliest and dumbest members of Milky Way civilization and send them far away. Far, far, away, where they'll maybe run into a space tree and die.

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Well, my friend (whose house I store my PS4 at) has his birthday on the day Andromeda releases. Since we've been talking about it (and complaining about it) together, he said he was gonna ask for it as a birthday gift.

Looks like I'll be playing on Day 1. I'll probably stop in and give impressions. Though, I'm a bit less cynical about it than most people here, so you might want to take my opinions with a grain of salt.

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Mar 8, 2017 20:56:11 GMT havox said:

blog.bioware.com/2017/03/08/international-womens-day/

Claire: I’m an in-game animator. I make the characters and creatures move in the game. Running, attacking, jumping, dying. Mostly dying.

Now we finally see the faces of tumblrina diversity hires responsible for the Mass Effect Inquisition disaster.
There are people in this very thread who have unironically per-ordered ME:A giving them money :hue:

I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the ~~possible~~ probable-impending-trainwreck-of-ME:A can be chalked up to having female staff members, especially considering (a) that Mac Walters is involved, and (

that apparently (according to an earlier post on this thread) Bioware hires a lot of inexperienced/rookie developers.

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Mar 9, 2017 7:07:31 GMT @snowwhite said:

Well, my friend (whose house I store my PS4 at) has his birthday on the day Andromeda releases. Since we've been talking about it (and complaining about it) together, he said he was gonna ask for it as a birthday gift.

Looks like I'll be playing on Day 1. I'll probably stop in and give impressions. Though, I'm a bit less cynical about it than most people here, so you might want to take my opinions with a grain of salt.

Don't mind us cynical oldfarts complaining how grass was greener, music better and Deus Ex 1 the best game ever made under the Sun, having dialogues, RPG elements and shooting elements ages before Mass Effect series, and goddamnit kids get off my lawn!

If you can get enjoyment out of modern AAAs all the power to you.

The Andromeda Initiative is actually a eugenics program (disguised as an exploratory program to avoid legal issues) designed to gather the ugliest and dumbest members of Milky Way civilization and send them far away. Far, far, away, where they'll maybe run into a space tree and die.

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Mar 7, 2017 15:49:26 GMT anacronian said:

Mar 7, 2017 11:47:19 GMT stysiaq said:

Yep, it's stupid, but I didn't find it stupid to the point of being funny.

I do find it stupid enough to be sad though.

I find it rather incredulous that they couldn't come up with a fourth resource, and instead made water count as 2.

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Mar 9, 2017 9:25:56 GMT havox said:

Mar 9, 2017 7:07:31 GMT @snowwhite said:

Well, my friend (whose house I store my PS4 at) has his birthday on the day Andromeda releases. Since we've been talking about it (and complaining about it) together, he said he was gonna ask for it as a birthday gift.

Looks like I'll be playing on Day 1. I'll probably stop in and give impressions. Though, I'm a bit less cynical about it than most people here, so you might want to take my opinions with a grain of salt.

Don't mind us cynical oldfarts complaining how grass was greener, music better and Deus Ex 1 the best game ever made under the Sun, having dialogues, RPG elements and shooting elements ages before Mass Effect series, and goddamnit kids get off my lawn!

If you can get enjoyment out of modern AAAs all the power to you.

It's more about how every tiny element seems to equal "not Witcher" or "Uncharted" (oddly enough) in this thread. It gets a little grating. My skepticism for the game is rapidly becoming cynicism for the community.

Maybe that's exhausting in of itself because I used to spend a lot of my time in BSN. Things just haven't been the same since ME3, and like, I get it, but I was hoping for a little more, I suppose. Bad facial animations don't equal a bad game. Saying water twice doesn't mean a bad game. Lots of these things don't equal a bad game. Maybe it will be bad, and I'll admit it if it is, but I think the line between skepticism and pessimism/cynicism barely exists in this thread, and truthfully it makes me a bit moody.

Not to the point where my life or even my day is ruined, but enough to where I look at my screen, sigh, and find something else to do for a few hours.

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Mar 8, 2017 20:56:11 GMT havox said:

blog.bioware.com/2017/03/08/international-womens-day/

Claire: I’m an in-game animator. I make the characters and creatures move in the game. Running, attacking, jumping, dying. Mostly dying.

Now we finally see the faces of tumblrina diversity hires responsible for the Mass Effect Inquisition disaster.
There are people in this very thread who have unironically per-ordered ME:A giving them money :hue:

Good to see that gamers don't have issues with women, no siree. Not at all. Nope.

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Lol what's so bad about that blog post? It's not like it's some manhating bashfest or something. Just some employees talking about their work at BW. If it didn't have the Womens Day thing no one would care.

Anyway I don't think ME:A can be any worse than ME3 but I sure wouldn't count on it being great. It will be plagued with microtransactions for multiplayer just like the last one and there will probably be day 1 DLC again.

At least they're disposing of the Paragon/Renegade stuff which kinda railroaded you into being either an angel or a giant douchebag without any nuance.

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Post by General Mahad on Mar 9, 2017 19:08:54 GMT

Looks like the facial animations are still stiff, awkward, and sometimes even horrendous, but that's okay....who cares about character interaction?

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Mar 9, 2017 11:12:23 GMT amleth said:

Does not bode well

Not Smudboy's proudest moment though. He's basically slandering them outright here, cherry picking the worst things from an otherwise decent impression and making it seem as if it was more emphasized than it was. He also liked the IGN video with the Nexus just because it wasn't BioWare's marketing... or so he thought because no one had told him that IGN was coordinating what they were showing WITH BioWare. If I'd told him that, he'd probably lower his impression of it lol.

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Mar 9, 2017 19:08:54 GMT General Mahad said:

Looks like the facial animations are still stiff, awkward, and sometimes even horrendous, but that's okay....who cares about character interaction?

I do. It looked great for an RPG in ME2:

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Mar 9, 2017 19:16:38 GMT Link"Guess"ski said:

Mar 9, 2017 11:12:23 GMT amleth said:

Does not bode well

Not Smudboy's proudest moment though. He's basically slandering them outright here, cherry picking the worst things from an otherwise decent impression and making it seem as if it was more emphasized than it was. He also liked the IGN video with the Nexus just because it wasn't BioWare's marketing... or so he thought because no one had told him that IGN was coordinating what they were showing WITH BioWare. If I'd told him that, he'd probably lower his impression of it lol.

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Mar 9, 2017 19:16:38 GMT Link"Guess"ski said:

Mar 9, 2017 11:12:23 GMT amleth said:

Does not bode well

Not Smudboy's proudest moment though. He's basically slandering them outright here, cherry picking the worst things from an otherwise decent impression and making it seem as if it was more emphasized than it was. He also liked the IGN video with the Nexus just because it wasn't BioWare's marketing... or so he thought because no one had told him that IGN was coordinating what they were showing WITH BioWare. If I'd told him that, he'd probably lower his impression of it lol.

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Mar 9, 2017 13:48:23 GMT vonuber said:

Mar 8, 2017 20:56:11 GMT havox said:

blog.bioware.com/2017/03/08/international-womens-day/
Now we finally see the faces of tumblrina diversity hires responsible for the Mass Effect Inquisition disaster.
There are people in this very thread who have unironically per-ordered ME:A giving them money :hue:

Good to see that gamers don't have issues with women, no siree. Not at all. Nope.

No one has ever said that gamers don't have any issues with women. Gamers are literally people. Some people have problems with women. Some people have issues with people of color. Some people have issues with anyone who isn't "hardcore" into gaming.

Gamers aren't some kind of special group. There's just as many shitheads as there are anywhere else. I really don't understand why you would even feel the need to say this, as if anyone was saying anything different.

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