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Post by NRieh on Jan 15, 2017 17:45:29 GMT
So why are Ryder and squadmates carrying weapons? Becasue they need to make something different from NoManSky. Like shooting things.
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Post by NRieh on Jan 15, 2017 17:46:47 GMT
What Tempest is Mac talking about? The ship we saw in the trailer certainly didn't look like it was geared very much towards scouting and research. But why?? Had you missed that optimized layout of the Pathfinder's cabin? It's perfect for scouting and research.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 15, 2017 17:47:48 GMT
From the wiki it doesn't exactly seem like this: the IES (internal emission sink) and the Tantalus drive core seem to be 2 separated piece of hardware. To function properly in ME the IES is dependent on the Tantalus Drive core, which is a custom made engine true, but it is still the IES that gives stealth. So to achieve stealth in ME, it appears that Tantalus and IES are both needed: I suppose the IES is only able to suppress “quantum” of emissions with precise energy signatures and the Tantalus the only core able to generate this kind of emissions. Yes. Which means that without Tantalus, they're busted, unless they also use ODSY on the Tempest, and ODSY is a derivative. I suppose we will have much new lore to analize in ME:A. Also, what I meant in ME, was ME: trilogy. Maybe the most simple explanation though is that with the smaller core of the Tempest, its slim profile and some heat absorption hulls, the emissions are already low enough to be almost undetectable. So it could be a passive kind of stealth (like a camo), instead of an active one (like the IES). Just an idea.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 17:48:02 GMT
From the wiki it doesn't exactly seem like this: the IES (internal emission sink) and the Tantalus drive core seem to be 2 separated piece of hardware. To function properly in ME the IES is dependent on the Tantalus Drive core, which is a custom made engine true, but it is still the IES that gives stealth. So to achieve stealth in ME, it appears that Tantalus and IES are both needed: I suppose the IES is only able to suppress “quantum” of emissions with precise energy signatures and the Tantalus the only core able to generate this kind of emissions. Yes. Which means that without Tantalus, they're busted, unless they also use ODSY on the Tempest, and ODSY is a derivative. Why can't they also have a Tantalus drive core?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 15, 2017 17:49:08 GMT
You know, the Pathfinder is a mix of soldier, scientist and guide. Surely their vehicles should reflect that as well?
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 15, 2017 17:50:09 GMT
So why are Ryder and squadmates carrying weapons? To best paint targets for the Apex forces of multiplayer, I fear. We scout with our SR71 in space, gain intelligence, and they deploy and kill.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 15, 2017 17:51:05 GMT
So why are Ryder and squadmates carrying weapons? Becasue they need to make something different from NoManSky. Like shooting things. Because clearly the only threats in Andromeda can be dealt with using small arms and chest-high cover
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Post by Iakus on Jan 15, 2017 17:57:39 GMT
You know, the Pathfinder is a mix of soldier, scientist and guide. Surely their vehicles should reflect that as well? HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY???
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 15, 2017 18:05:24 GMT
You know, the Pathfinder is a mix of soldier, scientist and guide. Surely their vehicles should reflect that as well? HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? Maybe we're trying to compare the Tempest to the wrong class of Star Trek ship. The Enterprise was the Flagship and had the size and the weapons to juggle that title with ease (like the Destiny Ascension): maybe the Tempest it's more like the Oberth class (minus the forward phasers bank)? Shieat... the trekker in me took over for a moment.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 18:06:21 GMT
You know, the Pathfinder is a mix of soldier, scientist and guide. Surely their vehicles should reflect that as well? HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? That's not really a fair comparison. The Enterprise is not only an exploration vessel, but it is also the Flagship of the Federation fleet. There's also the issue where phasers are not only an offensive weapon but also can be used for mining and other things. It's more of a multi-tool. The weapons in Mass Effect are not shown to be that versatile. The Tempest is not a Flagship. It's merely a small scouting vessel. The physics and power consumption realities in Star Trek vs Mass Effect are also different because they don't have "Element Zero" in Star Trek, so comparing the two cannot be done directly. The enterprise is also a very large ship (in any iteration) have hundreds of crew members.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 18:08:20 GMT
HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? Maybe we're trying to compare the Tempest to the wrong class of Star Trek ship. The Enterprise was the Flagship and had the size and the weapons to juggle that title with ease (like the Destiny Ascension): maybe the Tempest it's more like the Oberth class (minus the forward phasers bank)? Shieat... the trekker in me took over for a moment. Sorry I was writing my post when you posted so I didn't see it. Good thoughts! Great minds, right?
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Post by kumazan on Jan 15, 2017 18:08:44 GMT
I'm fine with this, although I'd have preferred if it had some kind of light weaponry. If anything, it's the Nomad that bothers me.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 15, 2017 18:12:02 GMT
Maybe we're trying to compare the Tempest to the wrong class of Star Trek ship. The Enterprise was the Flagship and had the size and the weapons to juggle that title with ease (like the Destiny Ascension): maybe the Tempest it's more like the Oberth class (minus the forward phasers bank)? Shieat... the trekker in me took over for a moment. Sorry I was writing my post when you posted so I didn't see it. Good thoughts! Great minds, right? Dunno if my mind is all that great though.
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Post by Serza on Jan 15, 2017 18:12:40 GMT
Yes. Which means that without Tantalus, they're busted, unless they also use ODSY on the Tempest, and ODSY is a derivative. Why can't they also have a Tantalus drive core? Same reason simulation games can not have the M1A2 Abrams tank. Tantalus is a classified design. The only reason Cerberus even got their hands on the design is because they were involved in the creation of the first Normandy in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 18:13:25 GMT
You know, the Pathfinder is a mix of soldier, scientist and guide. Surely their vehicles should reflect that as well? HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? The Tempest doesn't carry weapons of any kind because clearly there isn't any kind of threat in space. We can outrun EVERYTHING that we have no prior knowledge about. Also, I'd like them to remove all weapons from the squad, because the Nomad should be able to outrun everything as well. We are there to research, not engage alien life in combat. We come in peace, after all.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 15, 2017 18:16:07 GMT
Why can't they also have a Tantalus drive core? Same reason simulation games can not have the M1A2 Abrams tank. Tantalus is a classified design. The only reason Cerberus even got their hands on the design is because they were involved in the creation of the first Normandy in the first place. My theory is that the people who designed it (because lets be real, the military doesn't actually come up with their own scientific breakthroughs) were a company owned by one of the super-wealthy people who funded/created the Andromeda Initiative. Boom! Tantalus drive.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 15, 2017 18:16:25 GMT
We are there to research, not engage alien life in combat. We come in peace, after all. That would be a logical step. If the ship do not have weapons and the ground vehicle do not have weapons, why would the individuals be heavily armored?
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 15, 2017 18:16:29 GMT
HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? The Tempest doesn't carry weapons of any kind because clearly there isn't any kind of threat in space. We can outrun EVERYTHING. Also, I'd like them to remove all weapons from the squad, because the Nomad should be able to outrun everything as well. We are there to research, not engage alien life in combat. We come in peace, after all. Up until we are forced to, if the indigenous life forms aren’t all that friendly. In that case, I suppose I will lay waste of everyone who dares to touch my companions
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Post by Kian on Jan 15, 2017 18:20:35 GMT
I'm fine with the ship having no weapons. Frankly, it simply doesn't register as important for me lol. I'm all into rp and lore accuracy, but this doesn't bother me since the debate on how many weapons are "appropriate" or if no weapons at all is ok seems more a semantics debate than anything else. I do understand why some people would be passionate about discussing this though. Depending on what one likes/appreciates more about lore this can be quite significant. That being said, a lot of people (such as myself lol) can't follow the twitter thread or super threads (as in big) due to time restraints and whatnot. Me checking news on the forum for example, usually means checking the topic titles and going where I see new stuff. If everything was kept in one thread to rule them all, I would be in serious trouble I'm saying the "policing" and finger-pointing at people starting new threads with legitimate topics is silly. If something is out of line (as the lines are defined to begin with), the admins/mods will deal with it as they see fit. I really don't see the purpose of picking on someone for opening a valid topic... Maybe I need to TENSE up a bit huh? (those bloopers scenes with Robert Downey Jr. haha) Now back on topic a bit, my 2c on this is that the ship should indee have some weapon... in-space-functioning-paintball-turrets or something at least. That's because any exploration can lead you to situations where you absolutely have no other choise but to defend yourself. Well they went with a different approach. It is what it is. At this point I doubt any changes will occur to the game lol... So might as well embrace the changes
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Post by Arcian on Jan 15, 2017 18:21:59 GMT
Tempest confirmed to be the Normandy's bitch.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 15, 2017 18:24:27 GMT
HERESY!!! The Pathfinder is purely for exploration, science, and diplomacy! Like the Enterprise! The Enterprise doesn't carry weapons like phasers or photon torpedoes, do they!? DO THEY??? That's not really a fair comparison. The Enterprise is not only an exploration vessel, but it is also the Flagship of the Federation fleet. There's also the issue where phasers are not only an offensive weapon but also can be used for mining and other things. It's more of a multi-tool. The weapons in Mass Effect are not shown to be that versatile. The Tempest is not a Flagship. It's merely a small scouting vessel. The physics and power consumption realities in Star Trek vs Mass Effect are also different because they don't have "Element Zero" in Star Trek, so comparing the two cannot be done directly. The enterprise is also a very large ship (in any iteration) have hundreds of crew members. The original Constitution-class Federation vessel wasn't. It was more the equivalent of a heavy cruiser (which would have been a fairer comparison to make) But their roles are identical: long-range exploration and diplomacy with little outside support. As such, the Tempest, like the Enterprise, should be able to defend itself. Because there are going to be space douches out there that will want to kill them and take their stuff.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 15, 2017 18:24:33 GMT
Really disappointing to hear that it's true that tempest is completely defenseless. Was hoping it at least had some weapons if not a main gun. Seems utterly ridicolous to me. Got to wonder why player is allowed to bear any handheld weapons at all at this stage given the seeming priorities of the AI.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 15, 2017 18:25:59 GMT
Tempest confirmed to be the Normandy's bitch. Now we know where all the extra space for the Pathfinder's cabin comes from
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 15, 2017 18:27:17 GMT
I wonder how many times in the game we will be like "it would be just great if I could ask for air support". From the trailers we already know at least one.
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