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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 12:26:39 GMT
Does this count as bestiality? It's skirting this one fairly closely as far as I can see. I queried this in the BSN years ago, but people had their jimmies rustled.
I'm perfectly willing accept that Bioware is creating an outlet for people to explore their, let's say socially taboo fantasies, I'm not going to judge people for it, just wondering what tickles your guy's fancy?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 10, 2016 12:49:11 GMT
Does this count as bestiality? It's skirting this one fairly closely as far as I can see. I queried this in the BSN years ago, but people had their jimmies rustled. I'm perfectly willing accept that Bioware is creating an outlet for people to explore their, let's say socially taboo fantasies, I'm not going to judge people for it, just wondering what tickles your guy's fancy? Why would it? Iron Bull isn't any more of an animal than any other companion - he's sapient and able to give informed consent, just like every other BioWare romance option. In a world where there's more than one sapient species, interspecies sex isn't necessarily bestiality the way it is in the real world. Nobody seems to think that it's beastiality if a human Inquisitor gets it on with Sera or an elf romances Cullen, even though those romances involve just as much interspecies sex. Same with all the various aliens Shepherd can bang.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 10, 2016 12:49:53 GMT
Does this count as bestiality? It's skirting this one fairly closely as far as I can see. I queried this in the BSN years ago, but people had their jimmies rustled. I'm perfectly willing accept that Bioware is creating an outlet for people to explore their, let's say socially taboo fantasies, I'm not going to judge people for it, just wondering what tickles your guy's fancy? You mean besides the fact that he's a person, not an animal? ninja'd by Andraste
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 13:17:37 GMT
Does this count as bestiality? It's skirting this one fairly closely as far as I can see. I queried this in the BSN years ago, but people had their jimmies rustled. I'm perfectly willing accept that Bioware is creating an outlet for people to explore their, let's say socially taboo fantasies, I'm not going to judge people for it, just wondering what tickles your guy's fancy? Why would it? Iron Bull isn't any more of an animal than any other companion - he's sapient and able to give informed consent, just like every other BioWare romance option. In a world where there's more than one sapient species, interspecies sex isn't necessarily bestiality the way it is in the real world. Nobody seems to think that it's beastiality if a human Inquisitor gets it on with Sera or an elf romances Cullen, even though those romances involve just as much interspecies sex. Same with all the various aliens Shepherd can bang. Exactly, perfectly put.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Aug 10, 2016 20:45:23 GMT
Chiming in to say I genuinely though this was one of the sweetest romances in the game. It's a real shame it seems to get overlooked so often. It's definitely not for everyone, but if you play it seriously instead of only taking the funny, friends with benefits style replies, it gets surprisingly emotional. I like that for once the LI is the one supporting the protagonist through their trials and tribulations, with a minimum of drama on his end (as long as he's tal vashoth, yikes), and he's one of the only companions who treats the Inquisitor as just a person like him or anyone else, not all hung up on them being the Herald. The way they basically act like an old married couple in Trespasser pretty much sealed it for me. To be honest I went into it thinking it would be a joke romance for a goofy one-off character I made, and it ended up being my canon, so joke's on me I guess
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 21:14:45 GMT
Chiming in to say I genuinely though this was one of the sweetest romances in the game. It's a real shame it seems to get overlooked so often. It's definitely not for everyone, but if you play it seriously instead of only taking the funny, friends with benefits style replies, it gets surprisingly emotional. I like that for once the LI is the one supporting the protagonist through their trials and tribulations, with a minimum of drama on his end (as long as he's tal vashoth, yikes), and he's one of the only companions who treats the Inquisitor as just a person like him or anyone else, not all hung up on them being the Herald. The way they basically act like an old married couple in Trespasser pretty much sealed it for me. To be honest I went into it thinking it would be a joke romance for a goofy one-off character I made, and it ended up being my canon, so joke's on me I guess So so true, well said! They're super cute with each other in Trespasser too.
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Post by opuspace on Aug 11, 2016 1:29:00 GMT
Chiming in to say I genuinely though this was one of the sweetest romances in the game. It's a real shame it seems to get overlooked so often. It's definitely not for everyone, but if you play it seriously instead of only taking the funny, friends with benefits style replies, it gets surprisingly emotional. I like that for once the LI is the one supporting the protagonist through their trials and tribulations, with a minimum of drama on his end (as long as he's tal vashoth, yikes), and he's one of the only companions who treats the Inquisitor as just a person like him or anyone else, not all hung up on them being the Herald. The way they basically act like an old married couple in Trespasser pretty much sealed it for me. To be honest I went into it thinking it would be a joke romance for a goofy one-off character I made, and it ended up being my canon, so joke's on me I guess I think that's what makes Bull so wonderful: he's flexible and self assured enough to accommodate any partners who want to get involved as seriously or as casually as they're comfortable with. He's a very versatile lover with several very touching moments.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 12, 2016 0:45:41 GMT
I have to admit all of you have valid points. So I respect this thread. I honestly don't know what exactly infuriated me so much about this romance. I think it's a mix of things: I really felt very disappointed with the game in general and Tresspasser took so long I didn't play it later when it was released, so my playthrough just finished with an anticlimatic ending (Corypheus sucks, happy happy nonsense). At the same time, when I romance Bull (in my only playtrough) I chose him because I like him, he has Vega's voice (  ) and I really found Qunari appealing. However... I don't know, maybe the BSDM puts me off, not the implicit sex part, but the rest of interaction). Well, those were my thoughts, I hope you ever forgive me Anyhow, the best part of the romance definetely was the drinking conversation after killing the dragon: Bull: I always want to say this, and I never can when we are off saving the world. You've got fantastic tits. Inquisitor: Awwwwwwww
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Post by bardox on Aug 14, 2016 18:20:40 GMT
I haven't romanced the Iron Bull. After my first play through of DA:I and I saw how he and Dorian interact, I can't bring myself to get between their love. Haven't romanced Dorian either. They are just too cute together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 18:52:16 GMT
I have to admit all of you have valid points. So I respect this thread. I honestly don't know what exactly infuriated me so much about this romance. I think it's a mix of things: I really felt very disappointed with the game in general and Tresspasser took so long I didn't play it later when it was released, so my playthrough just finished with an anticlimatic ending (Corypheus sucks, happy happy nonsense). At the same time, when I romance Bull (in my only playtrough) I chose him because I like him, he has Vega's voice (  ) and I really found Qunari appealing. However... I don't know, maybe the BSDM puts me off, not the implicit sex part, but the rest of interaction). Well, those were my thoughts, I hope you ever forgive me Anyhow, the best part of the romance definetely was the drinking conversation after killing the dragon: Bull: I always want to say this, and I never can when we are off saving the world. You've got fantastic tits. Inquisitor: Awwwwwwww That's sad. I get the Vega thing.  The conversation after the dragon was so great.  Not all romances are for everyone, I always believe you shouldn't knock it till you try it. But you did, and it wasn't for you. That's fair enough, but it's such a shame you didn't enjoy your only romance.  Maybe one day you'll play again and find a LI that suits you better. 
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Post by blastoandbubin on Aug 15, 2016 3:14:24 GMT
I haven't romanced the Iron Bull. After my first play through of DA:I and I saw how he and Dorian interact, I can't bring myself to get between their love. Haven't romanced Dorian either. They are just too cute together. it's so interesting to me how perspectives can differ, because I read this occasionally from fans and I had completely had the opposite reaction? Iron Bull seems so content and settled by the end of the romance with the Inquisitor, I actually feel a little bad if I don't romance him, lol. To me it felt like a Tal-Vashoth romanced Bull was almost his "best" ending (I've seen all of them and/or heard about them from friends with different world states), it seemed like the one with the greatest chance at long-term happiness to me? I'm not saying it absolutely totally is, no ifs ands or buts about it, obviously! I just mean from my personal perspective when I was playing the game. It's just interesting to me how different people's reactions to his possible relationships are. Different strokes and all that, I guess
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 14:51:03 GMT
I adore Iron Bull's romance. It was actually my first, even though I intended to romance Dorian first. Dorian's personal quest glitched though, and I never was able to access his romance. So literally with no quests left but the final 2 I romanced Iron Bull. It was rather exciting getting all his romance content at one time. Of course I missed out on the dance at the Winter Ball.  Then again it wasn't really a dance anyway. I have since then romanced him a number of times and even have his romance saved onto my youtube account. I just really feel his romance was the only one that checked off all my needs in a romance. The most obvious one being (unlike the other gay option) he actually tells you he loves you. The romance while very humorous at times, just seems more mature then the alternative Dorian path. (I know everyone's millage varies in such things though)
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Post by wistfullyme on Aug 19, 2016 18:18:37 GMT
Does this count as bestiality? It's skirting this one fairly closely as far as I can see. I queried this in the BSN years ago, but people had their jimmies rustled. I'm perfectly willing accept that Bioware is creating an outlet for people to explore their, let's say socially taboo fantasies, I'm not going to judge people for it, just wondering what tickles your guy's fancy? That's like saying,to play a dwarf inquisitor is someone indulging in pedophile fantasies. Either way it's a bit of a stretch and a tad offensive, but I suppose that was your point.
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Post by opuspace on Aug 22, 2016 2:20:45 GMT
On a lighter note, do any of your Inquisitors get possessive or jealous of anyone showing interest in Bull? My rogue would fight anyone for his love! No one else can ride this Bull!
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Post by wistfullyme on Aug 22, 2016 5:12:18 GMT
On a lighter note, do any of your Inquisitors get possessive or jealous of anyone showing interest in Bull? My rogue would fight anyone for his love! No one else can ride this Bull! My Inquisitors?! Heck I get jealous! Haha, I romanced him on my very first playthrough when the game first came out, so I have a soft spot for Bull. Even when I don't romance him with the inquisitor I currently play, I cannot bear to have him and Dorian in the party together or hear his comments about having sex with the kitchen staff at Skyhold...yeah...just no. Do I have issues? Yes, yes I do
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Post by opuspace on Aug 22, 2016 5:53:30 GMT
My Inquisitors?! Heck I get jealous! Haha, I romanced him on my very first playthrough when the game first came out, so I have a soft spot for Bull. Even when I don't romance him with the inquisitor I currently play, I cannot bear to have him and Dorian in the party together or hear his comments about having sex with the kitchen staff at Skyhold...yeah...just no. Do I have issues? Yes, yes I do  You have my sympathy!
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Post by Artemis on Aug 22, 2016 6:22:22 GMT
Whoo! The Iron Bull thread's up! I can't recall a romance where your PC can actually treat the relationship as seriously or as casually as they like. (Zevran I heard does take his relationship with the Warden seriously) I think it's confirmed that Hawke and Isabela have an open relationship in DAI I think?? I never imported my Hawkebela relationship for this reason /cry Anyway, I am doing my "canon" playthrough at the moment and I've settled on Iron Bull. I tried to do Dorian but just found my Lavellan being pulled towards Bull again and again  Bull is... well, he's honestly a massive sweetheart. He's also fucking brilliant. Personally, I don't care for the bondage aspect, or the humor aspect (the "funny" scene where all the advisors walk in on you), but everything else is just lovely. He freaking really and truly cares about his love. He's quick to say he isn't sleeping with anyone else when you ask him. When he gets wasted he tells you you have a great ass lol You can give him a gift that's kind of the equivalent of a qunari wedding ring. He points out that qunari don't sleep with the people they love, but guess what? He's doing both with you: loving you and sleeping with you. This is a novelty for him, and that's really quite adorable. He's your guy. He's got your back and he's one of the few romances I can truly picture growing old with their love. So yes, I was turned off the first time I played it, irritated and frustrated with my choices, so that I was really overly critical of the romance. But now I'm really really happy with it, and happy to make it my canon 
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Post by opuspace on Aug 22, 2016 16:26:12 GMT
Whoo! The Iron Bull thread's up! I can't recall a romance where your PC can actually treat the relationship as seriously or as casually as they like. (Zevran I heard does take his relationship with the Warden seriously) I think it's confirmed that Hawke and Isabela have an open relationship in DAI I think?? I never imported my Hawkebela relationship for this reason /cry Anyway, I am doing my "canon" playthrough at the moment and I've settled on Iron Bull. I tried to do Dorian but just found my Lavellan being pulled towards Bull again and again  Bull is... well, he's honestly a massive sweetheart. He's also fucking brilliant. Personally, I don't care for the bondage aspect, or the humor aspect (the "funny" scene where all the advisors walk in on you), but everything else is just lovely. He freaking really and truly cares about his love. He's quick to say he isn't sleeping with anyone else when you ask him. When he gets wasted he tells you you have a great ass lol You can give him a gift that's kind of the equivalent of a qunari wedding ring. He points out that qunari don't sleep with the people they love, but guess what? He's doing both with you: loving you and sleeping with you. This is a novelty for him, and that's really quite adorable. He's your guy. He's got your back and he's one of the few romances I can truly picture growing old with their love. So yes, I was turned off the first time I played it, irritated and frustrated with my choices, so that I was really overly critical of the romance. But now I'm really really happy with it, and happy to make it my canon  Awwww, he's got that cuddly big bear feel, doesn't he? I haven't had a chance to play DA2, so it'd be interesting to play that romance! I don't blame people for being frustrated with the comedic scenes. Having all three advisors not just leave and come back another time, Cassandra presuming that Bull was just a fling and not someone worth falling in love with, Josephine playing the part of Karen in How I Met Your Mother where "she lingered!". The best part about it at least was getting to surprise Bull with the necklace. He looked like he was about to tear up at the thought that someone cares about him so much more than just his other "horn". And conversations with him are just fascinating! He's like that psychology college graduate who came back to complete his education after his military service was done!
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Post by Artemis on Aug 22, 2016 16:42:29 GMT
And conversations with him are just fascinating! He's like that psychology college graduate who came back to complete his education after his military service was done! That is SUCH a great way to put it. I actually teach a lot of students like that -- older people who come back to school after being out for 10, 20, 30 years. It's inspiring. And that explains Bull to a "T". He's having to restart his life once he become Tal-Vashoth and there's a lot of new ground for him to tread. He's nervous at first. But that's what makes being his partner in life so special. You can be there for him. For once you're the strong one. It's really sweet.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2016 11:40:16 GMT
Is there any way to have a relationship with Bull and not be into bondage? That was what put me off even trying him because I heard that you can only have a relationship if you agree to those terms, so if that doesn't float your boat then it seemed he was off limits.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 23, 2016 12:12:02 GMT
Is there any way to have a relationship with Bull and not be into bondage? Nope. If you can't roleplay a character who's into being topped - or at least willing to go along with it - then it's not a good romance choice. I can absolutely see how that would be a dealbreaker, but Bull is up-front about what he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 16:43:18 GMT
Is there any way to have a relationship with Bull and not be into bondage? That was what put me off even trying him because I heard that you can only have a relationship if you agree to those terms, so if that doesn't float your boat then it seemed he was off limits. I think there's a little room to head cannon that the bondage isn't really a part of the relationship. It isn't mentioned that much anyway. It's not like we see or hear how far that theme even goes. You can encourage a softer relationship a few key times, and it seems like a very loving non-role play relationship by the end.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2016 18:38:56 GMT
I've another question. From what I can tell from the epilogue slides after Trespasser, Bull goes off with his Chargers and the Inquisitor is left doing what? It makes sense if they keep the Inquisition going as the Divine's peace keeping force but what if they disband it? What then? Surely they could just join the Chargers or at least be given the option? Or have I got that wrong and they do in fact join the Chargers? I know they are meant to be hunting for Solas but that isn't going to take up a whole lot of their time, so they could just touch base occasionally to see if anyone has come up with useful leads. What are your Inquisitor's doing if they disband?
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Post by Artemis on Aug 23, 2016 20:10:47 GMT
Is there any way to have a relationship with Bull and not be into bondage? That was what put me off even trying him because I heard that you can only have a relationship if you agree to those terms, so if that doesn't float your boat then it seemed he was off limits. I think there's a little room to head cannon that the bondage isn't really a part of the relationship. It isn't mentioned that much anyway. It's not like we see or hear how far that theme even goes. You can encourage a softer relationship a few key times, and it seems like a very loving non-role play relationship by the end. This. I, too, had a very tough time with this romance when I first played it. My second time around, it isn't so jarring, and I'm able to realize that they are in love, and yes, it is very easy to headcanon that Bull lets that aspect of the relationship go (the bondage) as time progresses. It almost seems like it's an "issue" he has on a personal level, but once the relationship matures he can maybe move past that. It sucks in some ways because they wrote it in such a way that you can't avoid it, so if you don't like it, you could potentially be stuck with just Dorian or Blackwall. And it's such a shame because Bull is such a great character and every other aspect of the romance is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 21:09:42 GMT
I've another question. From what I can tell from the epilogue slides after Trespasser, Bull goes off with his Chargers and the Inquisitor is left doing what? It makes sense if they keep the Inquisition going as the Divine's peace keeping force but what if they disband it? What then? Surely they could just join the Chargers or at least be given the option? Or have I got that wrong and they do in fact join the Chargers? I know they are meant to be hunting for Solas but that isn't going to take up a whole lot of their time, so they could just touch base occasionally to see if anyone has come up with useful leads. What are your Inquisitor's doing if they disband? Sadly it was left very vauge (BioWare seems to prefer to leave room for fans to head cannon). They definitely make it clear that the relationship continues on after trespasser. (possibly a marriage if you pick the option to propose to IB)
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