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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2016 16:41:01 GMT
I hope he doesn't, because supporting mage freedom shouldn't be some kind of standard that all DA characters should strive for. And futhermore, what matters is that he is not anti-mage, but rather anti-mage freedom. He is not really anti-anyone to be precise, I mean the dude becomes physically and emotionally involved with a tevinter Magister (whether he is part of the Qun or not) for Maker's sake if you let him. What could be troublesome, though, is that his opinions are directly influenced by Qun propaganda, rather than one's own experience. But one can't completely disregard that Qun has some teachings that might have some sense to them. I dont think, he care about mage issues more than for example Fenris. And Fenris is happy also with a pro-mage Hawke, then he can be happy with a pro-mage Inquisitor. (I mean: if he able to live as Tal Vashoth, he will able to deal with it.)
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Post by Artemis on Oct 4, 2016 17:09:05 GMT
I hope he doesn't, because supporting mage freedom shouldn't be some kind of standard that all DA characters should strive for. And futhermore, what matters is that he is not anti-mage, but rather anti-mage freedom. He is not really anti-anyone to be precise, I mean the dude becomes physically and emotionally involved with a tevinter Magister (whether he is part of the Qun or not) for Maker's sake if you let him. What could be troublesome, though, is that his opinions are directly influenced by Qun propaganda, rather than one's own experience. But one can't completely disregard that Qun has some teachings that might have some sense to them. These side pairings the writers come up with don't always make sense though. I do tend to feel like in this instance the writers were just thinking, let's put the two guys together; it will show how progressive and awesome we are! From Dorian's point of view, Bull is potentially a qunari; it seems pretty nuts that he would form a loving relationship with such a person, the mortal enemy of his people?? (And he is very patriotic, for all he's allegedly critical of Tevinter.) And from Bull's point of view, not only is he bedding the enemy, but a mage, and the worst KIND of mage: a Tevinter mage (i.e. no Circles, no restraints). It just makes little sense to me. Same with Fenris x Isabela. Of course, it's only an opinion I know people who love both pairings. With Bull, I do think his fear of mages - and it is fear, not dislike / prejudice / hatred - stems from the Qun. So one would think, similar to Fenris being a free man and away from Tevinter after 7+ years, he would grow to have a more nuanced understanding of magic and magic-users. What kind of irked me in the game is his apparent fear of demons. I'm trying to remember if the game ever offers up an explanation, but I don't think it does.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 4, 2016 17:50:22 GMT
I hope he doesn't, because supporting mage freedom shouldn't be some kind of standard that all DA characters should strive for. And futhermore, what matters is that he is not anti-mage, but rather anti-mage freedom. He is not really anti-anyone to be precise, I mean the dude becomes physically and emotionally involved with a tevinter Magister (whether he is part of the Qun or not) for Maker's sake if you let him. What could be troublesome, though, is that his opinions are directly influenced by Qun propaganda, rather than one's own experience. But one can't completely disregard that Qun has some teachings that might have some sense to them. These side pairings the writers come up with don't always make sense though. I do tend to feel like in this instance the writers were just thinking, let's put the two guys together; it will show how progressive and awesome we are! From Dorian's point of view, Bull is potentially a qunari; it seems pretty nuts that he would form a loving relationship with such a person, the mortal enemy of his people?? (And he is very patriotic, for all he's allegedly critical of Tevinter.) And from Bull's point of view, not only is he bedding the enemy, but a mage, and the worst KIND of mage: a Tevinter mage (i.e. no Circles, no restraints). It just makes little sense to me. Same with Fenris x Isabela. Of course, it's only an opinion I know people who love both pairings. With Bull, I do think his fear of mages - and it is fear, not dislike / prejudice / hatred - stems from the Qun. So one would think, similar to Fenris being a free man and away from Tevinter after 7+ years, he would grow to have a more nuanced understanding of magic and magic-users. What kind of irked me in the game is his apparent fear of demons. I'm trying to remember if the game ever offers up an explanation, but I don't think it does. Let's start with the fear of demons. It's not necessarily the fear of demons, but fear of being possessed, the fear of something else inhabiting his body to harm others that he can't control. After saving the chargers and being thrown out of Qun, there's some banter between Sera and Bull where Bull seems to be afraid that he might lose control of himself for not being part of the Qun anymore for reasons XYZ. And if you go the CotJ route, after you've finished the quest and talk to Bull, he sounds very bothered about the Envy Demon messing with ones mind. He doesn't want to harm anyone, and it would be devastating for him to lose control of himself, whether it's a demon possessing you or something else. So to me, it isn't really a fear of demons, but the possibility of being possessed and losing control of himself. And it kind of fits his story and personality to have such fears. I guess the same fear correlates to his '' fear '' of mages. Regarding Dorian x Bull, I think you need to realize that not all romances are obvious, 1+1=2 kind of romances. It's pretty common kind of storytelling that opposites attract. Their friendship starts slowly, and the romance casually, but it develops and the two find something else than just a casual bang. Regarding Bull bedding the enemy, well obviously that could be beneficial to the Qun, right? Dorian is not a nobody, and he might have information that the Qun might want or need. And Bull doesn't seem to have problems with mages, just mage freedom and mages who are shits. Dorian proves to not be a shit mage. One of his best friends is a Vint as well, so.. And about Dorian, HE IS initially very suspicious of Bull, but is the corrected that he has no place to call others suspicious when the Inquisition is fighting a Tevinter darkspawn and his army of vints and such. And Dorian is much about anarchy and breaking tradition. And maybe this is twisted, but Dorian's biggest fear is temptation. And Bull is probably very tempting to him. He knows he probably shouldn't, but he still goes and rides him. It does correlate to Dorian's character for him to fall into the temptation of a big, muscular, masculine Qunari stud who is openly inviting him for a little late night action. And he does enjoy big muscle men, that is canon as well.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 4, 2016 17:54:20 GMT
Bull was my romance for my very first playthrough. No regrets. Drinking with the Bull: (This quizzy actually romanced Cullen...but still)
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Post by Artemis on Oct 4, 2016 19:25:41 GMT
These side pairings the writers come up with don't always make sense though. I do tend to feel like in this instance the writers were just thinking, let's put the two guys together; it will show how progressive and awesome we are! From Dorian's point of view, Bull is potentially a qunari; it seems pretty nuts that he would form a loving relationship with such a person, the mortal enemy of his people?? (And he is very patriotic, for all he's allegedly critical of Tevinter.) And from Bull's point of view, not only is he bedding the enemy, but a mage, and the worst KIND of mage: a Tevinter mage (i.e. no Circles, no restraints). It just makes little sense to me. Same with Fenris x Isabela. Of course, it's only an opinion I know people who love both pairings. With Bull, I do think his fear of mages - and it is fear, not dislike / prejudice / hatred - stems from the Qun. So one would think, similar to Fenris being a free man and away from Tevinter after 7+ years, he would grow to have a more nuanced understanding of magic and magic-users. What kind of irked me in the game is his apparent fear of demons. I'm trying to remember if the game ever offers up an explanation, but I don't think it does. Let's start with the fear of demons. It's not necessarily the fear of demons, but fear of being possessed, the fear of something else inhabiting his body to harm others that he can't control. After saving the chargers and being thrown out of Qun, there's some banter between Sera and Bull where Bull seems to be afraid that he might lose control of himself for not being part of the Qun anymore for reasons XYZ. And if you go the CotJ route, after you've finished the quest and talk to Bull, he sounds very bothered about the Envy Demon messing with ones mind. He doesn't want to harm anyone, and it would be devastating for him to lose control of himself, whether it's a demon possessing you or something else. So to me, it isn't really a fear of demons, but the possibility of being possessed and losing control of himself. And it kind of fits his story and personality to have such fears. I guess the same fear correlates to his '' fear '' of mages. Regarding Dorian x Bull, I think you need to realize that not all romances are obvious, 1+1=2 kind of romances. It's pretty common kind of storytelling that opposites attract. Their friendship starts slowly, and the romance casually, but it develops and the two find something else than just a casual bang. Regarding Bull bedding the enemy, well obviously that could be beneficial to the Qun, right? Dorian is not a nobody, and he might have information that the Qun might want or need. And Bull doesn't seem to have problems with mages, just mage freedom and mages who are shits. Dorian proves to not be a shit mage. One of his best friends is a Vint as well, so.. And about Dorian, HE IS initially very suspicious of Bull, but is the corrected that he has no place to call others suspicious when the Inquisition is fighting a Tevinter darkspawn and his army of vints and such. And Dorian is much about anarchy and breaking tradition. And maybe this is twisted, but Dorian's biggest fear is temptation. And Bull is probably very tempting to him. He knows he probably shouldn't, but he still goes and rides him. It does correlate to Dorian's character for him to fall into the temptation of a big, muscular, masculine Qunari stud who is openly inviting him for a little late night action. And he does enjoy big muscle men, that is canon as well. Ah thank you; that's all very well explained! For me it's once again too subtle; I feel like they put too much information in banter, DLCs, and literal writing on the wall; I feel that's a consequence of having too many characters and not enough time/money to include it via dialogue. However, I know people who go nuts over the lore and love reading and re-reading codices and putting theories together, and I'm sure they would disagree *shrug* Such a good reading of Dorian, and a sad but good one of a Qun!Bull and why he would sleep with Dorian. Ugh. So friggin sad and part of why I will NEVER let him stay in the Qun! The whole "I think you need to realize..." could've been rephrased to be slightly less offensive but I'll let you off this time
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 4, 2016 20:16:34 GMT
Such a good reading of Dorian, and a sad but good one of a Qun!Bull and why he would sleep with Dorian. Ugh. So friggin sad and part of why I will NEVER let him stay in the Qun! Yeah, the Chargers get saved every time. Even before I knew the consequences. My second playthrough when I romanced Cullen, Bull & Dorian got together. I loved their party banter, and hearing how things progressed. Actually that's one of the things I like most about Bull. The party banter and observations and humor surrounding things. He's also wicked smart (mental chess with Solas!) so it's a hard combo to resist. The muscles are a pleasant bonus though.
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Post by Artemis on Oct 4, 2016 21:40:04 GMT
Such a good reading of Dorian, and a sad but good one of a Qun!Bull and why he would sleep with Dorian. Ugh. So friggin sad and part of why I will NEVER let him stay in the Qun! Yeah, the Chargers get saved every time. Even before I knew the consequences. My second playthrough when I romanced Cullen, Bull & Dorian got together. I loved their party banter, and hearing how things progressed. Actually that's one of the things I like most about Bull. The party banter and observations and humor surrounding things. He's also wicked smart (mental chess with Solas!) so it's a hard combo to resist. The muscles are a pleasant bonus though. I forgot to mention the mental chess! It supports the notion that Bull is afraid of losing control, poor baby. Bull's banter is great. My favorite: Cole: "The Iron Bull, do you ever worry about a demon standing to your left where you can't see?" Bull: "Well I do NOW."
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Post by Artemis on Oct 4, 2016 21:44:05 GMT
Oh my god. Cole: They died fighting. In your mind, they hated you, but you're doing it wrong! That isn't what Krem thought! Iron Bull: Well, then... what did he think? Cole: "Horns pointing up." Iron Bull: Oh... yeah.
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Post by Artemis on Oct 4, 2016 21:48:31 GMT
And this one, again, about control:
Sera: Wait, Bull. All that rot you said about hacking people.
Iron Bull: Yeah?
Sera: You do like it?
Iron Bull: Oh, yes. Finding someone who needs killing and just taking them apart…
Iron Bull: Brutally, skillfully, so their last living thought is realizing that I’m stronger and smarter than they are?
Iron Bull: Yeah, I like that a lot.
Sera: That’s weird.
Iron Bull: I didn’t say it was healthy.
Iron Bull: Look, I can either press those feelings down until I snap and hurt someone I care about…
Iron Bull: Or we can go find some bad guys who need to die.
Sera: (Nervously) Right. Bring on the baddies.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 4, 2016 21:55:40 GMT
Oh my god. Cole: They died fighting. In your mind, they hated you, but you're doing it wrong! That isn't what Krem thought! Iron Bull: Well, then... what did he think? Cole: "Horns pointing up." Iron Bull: Oh... yeah. Can't say I'm sorry to have missed that banter. I did watch the Qun!Bull betrayal from Trespasser...once was enough for that.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 5, 2016 23:45:35 GMT
I was just thinking back to party banter, and how there were a few you could actually respond to as the Inquisitor. (Like the IB/Cole one, with romanced IB) Anyone else hope they put more of this in the next game? It made me feel more involved with the group, at least for a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 2:15:33 GMT
I was just thinking back to party banter, and how there were a few you could actually respond to as the Inquisitor. (Like the IB/Cole one, with romanced IB) Anyone else hope they put more of this in the next game? It made me feel more involved with the group, at least for a little bit. Yes, responding to banter is an option I would love to see further developed or at least return in a similar fashion. I really enjoyed both of the IB/cole romance banters!
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Post by Artemis on Oct 6, 2016 15:41:25 GMT
I was just thinking back to party banter, and how there were a few you could actually respond to as the Inquisitor. (Like the IB/Cole one, with romanced IB) Anyone else hope they put more of this in the next game? It made me feel more involved with the group, at least for a little bit. Yeah I loved that a lot! The one I always tend to mess up is when you first arrive in, erm, the Orlesian capital (forget it's name). I never remember which button to press on the controller I like that we had options on how to respond. Cause Bull's romance is embarrassing by it's very nature! (for my inquisitor) And Cole or Sera talking about it out loud is embarrassing for him lol I do wish they weren't so specific about the romance content. There's no headcanoning that the BDSM is mild or even disappears... it keeps friggin showing up, even in banter! I really hope they never specify the ins and outs of a romance again. Leave it to our imaginations!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 8, 2016 3:15:42 GMT
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Post by Artemis on Oct 8, 2016 3:22:16 GMT
That chibi Bull is precious!!! *has a weakness for chibis*
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Post by SilentK on Oct 17, 2016 4:46:18 GMT
This information exist in Trespasser (on the wall), when you activate the Dread Wolf statue. Except that it's dlc content, not free from the base game. They shouldn't have restricted that knowledge through romance, imo. Corypheus mentions it in the final battle to Lavellan and if you didn't romance Solas, you won't have context. Hmm.... It is interesting how different we players feel about these things. To me having little tidbits hidden away that can only be unlocked with a specific PT is a huge bonus. I don't youtube Dragon Age or Mass Effect, seldom have the time to romance the same LI a second time so when I get something new, something I have never seen before I just get so ridiculously happy A hidden little treat, just for me. If everything was always available in basegame there would be nothing new to discover. And if fun specific info could only be in basegame I think it would lessen the appeal of dlc, in my view dlc should be able to expand the DA-universe and make it greater. Just my point of view Have just started playing again with my female qunari PT. It is only the second time that I am playing DA:I, and last time my PT had the party-banter-bug so I really look forward to getting to know all my companions a little bit better. Have been reading all the companion-threads just to catch up a bit. She might go for Bull, but otherwise I think that they will be good friends.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Oct 17, 2016 22:00:03 GMT
Except that it's dlc content, not free from the base game. They shouldn't have restricted that knowledge through romance, imo. Corypheus mentions it in the final battle to Lavellan and if you didn't romance Solas, you won't have context. Hmm.... It is interesting how different we players feel about these things. To me having little tidbits hidden away that can only be unlocked with a specific PT is a huge bonus. I don't youtube Dragon Age or Mass Effect, seldom have the time to romance the same LI a second time so when I get something new, something I have never seen before I just get so ridiculously happy A hidden little treat, just for me. If everything was always available in basegame there would be nothing new to discover. And if fun specific info could only be in basegame I think it would lessen the appeal of dlc, in my view dlc should be able to expand the DA-universe and make it greater. Just my point of view ** Under a cut because this is off-topic. It’s more about evenly sharing information not specific to romance.
The vallaslin is in the base game already, just circumstantial with which I don't agree. Only a female elf who romanced Solas can learn this from him -- and since only a female elf can romance him anyway, that's the perk in itself. I could see it as being reasonable for him to share this information with any Dalish he befriends/respects. That would be more like replay value for rolling an elf if a player hasn't. As it is now I don’t really see it as “replay” value. Considering Solas wasn't an original romance option that info was probably intended to be restricted to Trespasser, but it isn't. I don't like the idea of romance/gender gating vital information because of “reasons.” (Anders, for example, is amputated by the way they gendered his romance. I don’t see Solas/Vallaslin as severe as that, but they should be learning from these mistakes not repeating them.) I'm romancing all the companions, so I would’ve heard it anyway, but not everyone does that or wants to and won't know this information that others get for "free."
DLC is subjective. I’m not against dlc as a concept, but I don't really like that they took the "real" end of the game and stuck a price tag on it. Will everyone be able to immediately (or ever) afford it? And considering the price for such is only going up? No. Did I still enjoy it despite that? Yeah. I just tend to think that dlc should feel optional, not mandatory. If something is that imperative just put it in the game. It's a catch 22 though, because if nothing of "real" worth is in the dlc it still feels like the player is being cheated.
For instance I've enjoyed all the dlc for Mass Effect but Arrival and Leviathan (yeah, and Javik) should've been in the game. It removes from the main story if the player doesn't have them. The others, though? Like Overlord and Omega? Yeah, they’re fun and expand on the game so feel more fair because it isn’t Main Story reliant but is still enlightening. DAI's story for me was kinda meh in terms of pacing and size to the overall game; implementing Trespasser could've helped to fill out the story more while still offering the other dlcs.
Ultimately, though, I'm not overly fussed about it. It's an annoyance.
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Post by SilentK on Oct 21, 2016 19:44:43 GMT
If Ironbull has high approval of your character, does he flirt with your PC first or do you have to take the initiative? My PC is a female Qunari so I got a sweet line from Sera "How pretty are you that I forget about....". Is it possible to get something like that from Ironbull? My idea is that she originally was more interested in either Sera or Josie but then got sidetracked by Bull. Just wandering if I should go out hunting dragons with him before I move further into the conversations and perhaps miss the spot where he would take an initiative. I guess we have opposite views on how dlc should work and whether or not it is a good idea to hide info away =) such is life, we are different gamers with different wants and views.
I love it when the dlc is vital to the story, that is what makes me get really excited for something new. And I like the fact that it gives the studio an opportunity to react to the feedback that has been give about the game. Dragon Age 2 and the " usual dungeon " and how much fun with was to roam about the new areas in the dlc with Cory.
You actually share these opinions with one of my very good RL-friends. I happen to feel differently about it but it is interesting to hear other viewpoints =)
Happy gaming! Hmm.... It is interesting how different we players feel about these things. To me having little tidbits hidden away that can only be unlocked with a specific PT is a huge bonus. I don't youtube Dragon Age or Mass Effect, seldom have the time to romance the same LI a second time so when I get something new, something I have never seen before I just get so ridiculously happy A hidden little treat, just for me. If everything was always available in basegame there would be nothing new to discover. And if fun specific info could only be in basegame I think it would lessen the appeal of dlc, in my view dlc should be able to expand the DA-universe and make it greater. Just my point of view ** Under a cut because this is off-topic. It’s more about evenly sharing information not specific to romance.
The vallaslin is in the base game already, just circumstantial with which I don't agree. Only a female elf who romanced Solas can learn this from him -- and since only a female elf can romance him anyway, that's the perk in itself. I could see it as being reasonable for him to share this information with any Dalish he befriends/respects. That would be more like replay value for rolling an elf if a player hasn't. As it is now I don’t really see it as “replay” value. Considering Solas wasn't an original romance option that info was probably intended to be restricted to Trespasser, but it isn't. I don't like the idea of romance/gender gating vital information because of “reasons.” (Anders, for example, is amputated by the way they gendered his romance. I don’t see Solas/Vallaslin as severe as that, but they should be learning from these mistakes not repeating them.) I'm romancing all the companions, so I would’ve heard it anyway, but not everyone does that or wants to and won't know this information that others get for "free."
DLC is subjective. I’m not against dlc as a concept, but I don't really like that they took the "real" end of the game and stuck a price tag on it. Will everyone be able to immediately (or ever) afford it? And considering the price for such is only going up? No. Did I still enjoy it despite that? Yeah. I just tend to think that dlc should feel optional, not mandatory. If something is that imperative just put it in the game. It's a catch 22 though, because if nothing of "real" worth is in the dlc it still feels like the player is being cheated.
For instance I've enjoyed all the dlc for Mass Effect but Arrival and Leviathan (yeah, and Javik) should've been in the game. It removes from the main story if the player doesn't have them. The others, though? Like Overlord and Omega? Yeah, they’re fun and expand on the game so feel more fair because it isn’t Main Story reliant but is still enlightening. DAI's story for me was kinda meh in terms of pacing and size to the overall game; implementing Trespasser could've helped to fill out the story more while still offering the other dlcs.
Ultimately, though, I'm not overly fussed about it. It's an annoyance.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 21, 2016 19:54:00 GMT
If Ironbull has high approval of your character, does he flirt with your PC first or do you have to take the initiative? My PC is a female Qunari so I got a sweet line from Sera "How pretty are you that I forget about....". Is it possible to get something like that from Ironbull? My idea is that she originally was more interested in either Sera or Josie but then got sidetracked by Bull. Just wandering if I should go out hunting dragons with him before I move further into the conversations and perhaps miss the spot where he would take an initiative. I guess we have opposite views on how dlc should work and whether or not it is a good idea to hide info away =) such is life, we are different gamers with different wants and views.
I love it when the dlc is vital to the story, that is what makes me get really excited for something new. And I like the fact that it gives the studio an opportunity to react to the feedback that has been give about the game. Dragon Age 2 and the " usual dungeon " and how much fun with was to roam about the new areas in the dlc with Cory.
You actually share these opinions with one of my very good RL-friends. I happen to feel differently about it but it is interesting to hear other viewpoints =)
Happy gaming! Under a cut because this is off-topic. It’s more about evenly sharing information not specific to romance.
The vallaslin is in the base game already, just circumstantial with which I don't agree. Only a female elf who romanced Solas can learn this from him -- and since only a female elf can romance him anyway, that's the perk in itself. I could see it as being reasonable for him to share this information with any Dalish he befriends/respects. That would be more like replay value for rolling an elf if a player hasn't. As it is now I don’t really see it as “replay” value. Considering Solas wasn't an original romance option that info was probably intended to be restricted to Trespasser, but it isn't. I don't like the idea of romance/gender gating vital information because of “reasons.” (Anders, for example, is amputated by the way they gendered his romance. I don’t see Solas/Vallaslin as severe as that, but they should be learning from these mistakes not repeating them.) I'm romancing all the companions, so I would’ve heard it anyway, but not everyone does that or wants to and won't know this information that others get for "free."
DLC is subjective. I’m not against dlc as a concept, but I don't really like that they took the "real" end of the game and stuck a price tag on it. Will everyone be able to immediately (or ever) afford it? And considering the price for such is only going up? No. Did I still enjoy it despite that? Yeah. I just tend to think that dlc should feel optional, not mandatory. If something is that imperative just put it in the game. It's a catch 22 though, because if nothing of "real" worth is in the dlc it still feels like the player is being cheated.
For instance I've enjoyed all the dlc for Mass Effect but Arrival and Leviathan (yeah, and Javik) should've been in the game. It removes from the main story if the player doesn't have them. The others, though? Like Overlord and Omega? Yeah, they’re fun and expand on the game so feel more fair because it isn’t Main Story reliant but is still enlightening. DAI's story for me was kinda meh in terms of pacing and size to the overall game; implementing Trespasser could've helped to fill out the story more while still offering the other dlcs.
Ultimately, though, I'm not overly fussed about it. It's an annoyance. I don't recall Bull ever flirting, before the romance actually starts. He doesn't even really respond to your Inky's flirts, until after his mission. At which point he responds. OT: I would MUCH rather they 'hide' information in DLC than the freaking books. I don't want to read my games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 23, 2016 14:55:33 GMT
They've been putting stuff in DLC that should have been in the main game since DAO. Return to Ostagar should have been in the main game. They even had the first hints of the plot in the main game when the soldier gives you the gossip about Loghain and Cailan arguing about the queen but it goes nowhere without the DLC. It was actually really relevant to the Loghain plot and actually revealed why he wasn't just paranoid about Orlais. It even made sense of Howe's words to Warden Cousland about their Dad being a traitor because at the beginning we are told he had just returned from Orlais, and the DLC would suggest this was on behalf of Cailan.
In DAI I found it annoying that so much information about companions can only be revealed if you take both them and Cole around in your party together. So you could potentially miss out on a lot of information because either you didn't want to take them round, or you did so and the wretched dialogue between them doesn't trigger. The business about Bull and his fear of demons is never properly discussed by PC and Bull in dialogue, so far as I can recall. If you press him to explain why he wants you to hit him with a big stick, he disapproves if you try and discuss it instead of just bashing him.
So far as I can tell, it is impossible to have a romance with Bull if you do not do his mission. You can flirt but it doesn't go any further without it. Mind you, isn't that the same for every companion? I also agree it is annoying that so much of the back story for companions is in the source books instead of in the game. Bull's story is very interesting but you don't really get the sense of it from discussions with him in game, not as a friend anyway. I also found is disappointing that once you have exhausted dialogue as a friend, there is nothing to talk about for ages until the next big quest comes along. The same was true of Dorian. Any fill in dialogue seemed confined to the romance. Whereas with people like Cassandra and Sera you could go back repeatedly and still get some sort of response when you click on them as a friend, other than just "hi" and "goodbye".
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 23, 2016 15:10:35 GMT
They've been putting stuff in DLC that should have been in the main game since DAO. Return to Ostagar should have been in the main game. They even had the first hints of the plot in the main game when the soldier gives you the gossip about Loghain and Cailan arguing about the queen but it goes nowhere without the DLC. It was actually really relevant to the Loghain plot and actually revealed why he wasn't just paranoid about Orlais. It even made sense of Howe's words to Warden Cousland about their Dad being a traitor because at the beginning we are told he had just returned from Orlais, and the DLC would suggest this was on behalf of Cailan. In DAI I found it annoying that so much information about companions can only be revealed if you take both them and Cole around in your party together. So you could potentially miss out on a lot of information because either you didn't want to take them round, or you did so and the wretched dialogue between them doesn't trigger. The business about Bull and his fear of demons is never properly discussed by PC and Bull in dialogue, so far as I can recall. If you press him to explain why he wants you to hit him with a big stick, he disapproves if you try and discuss it instead of just bashing him. So far as I can tell, it is impossible to have a romance with Bull if you do not do his mission. You can flirt but it doesn't go any further without it. Mind you, isn't that the same for every companion? I also agree it is annoying that so much of the back story for companions is in the source books instead of in the game. Bull's story is very interesting but you don't really get the sense of it from discussions with him in game, not as a friend anyway. I also found is disappointing that once you have exhausted dialogue as a friend, there is nothing to talk about for ages until the next big quest comes along. The same was true of Dorian. Any fill in dialogue seemed confined to the romance. Whereas with people like Cassandra and Sera you could go back repeatedly and still get some sort of response when you click on them as a friend, other than just "hi" and "goodbye". It would have been neat if they'd added the 'opinions' thing Sera had to all the companions.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 23, 2016 16:28:21 GMT
They've been putting stuff in DLC that should have been in the main game since DAO. Return to Ostagar should have been in the main game. They even had the first hints of the plot in the main game when the soldier gives you the gossip about Loghain and Cailan arguing about the queen but it goes nowhere without the DLC. It was actually really relevant to the Loghain plot and actually revealed why he wasn't just paranoid about Orlais. It even made sense of Howe's words to Warden Cousland about their Dad being a traitor because at the beginning we are told he had just returned from Orlais, and the DLC would suggest this was on behalf of Cailan. In DAI I found it annoying that so much information about companions can only be revealed if you take both them and Cole around in your party together. So you could potentially miss out on a lot of information because either you didn't want to take them round, or you did so and the wretched dialogue between them doesn't trigger. The business about Bull and his fear of demons is never properly discussed by PC and Bull in dialogue, so far as I can recall. If you press him to explain why he wants you to hit him with a big stick, he disapproves if you try and discuss it instead of just bashing him. So far as I can tell, it is impossible to have a romance with Bull if you do not do his mission. You can flirt but it doesn't go any further without it. Mind you, isn't that the same for every companion? I also agree it is annoying that so much of the back story for companions is in the source books instead of in the game. Bull's story is very interesting but you don't really get the sense of it from discussions with him in game, not as a friend anyway. I also found is disappointing that once you have exhausted dialogue as a friend, there is nothing to talk about for ages until the next big quest comes along. The same was true of Dorian. Any fill in dialogue seemed confined to the romance. Whereas with people like Cassandra and Sera you could go back repeatedly and still get some sort of response when you click on them as a friend, other than just "hi" and "goodbye". I agree about the DLC! Even though I love getting DLC for Dragon Age because I know it's going to be filled with new information and hints for the next game, it's still not fair to all those that don't buy the DLC. The Awakening expansion, the Legacy DLC, Trespasser; they're all very overall plot important. Without Awakening you didn't know Anders or Justice, thus you didn't realize how much they changed, and you didn't meet the Architect. Whom I'm assuming will have some type of relevancy in the future. Without Legacy you had no idea who Corypheus was and you didn't know his connection with the Grey Wardens at first. And then there's Trespasser. It's crazy to think so many DA4 buyers are going to have no clue about any of what happened in it. I suppose they'll reference it in a way that fills new players and non-DLC buying players in, but that's a lot to miss! And with all that said I'll still buy future DLC, because I think Bioware makes it worth the buy... even if it comes at the expense of other players. In reference to the party banter, while I understand where you're coming from, I think replaying the game and finding something out that you never knew before is pretty awesome. I can still play Origins and DA2 and be surprised by a certain dialogue or character action It helps increase replayability. It's like a reward for the fans who play a ton and look for all those hints and extras! On a more Iron Bull related note I just recently got his first banter with Viv, or sorry, Madame de Fer, Enchanter to the Imperial Court of Orlais I've heard it before while listening to DanaDuchy's all Dragon Age banters, but it's so much more satisfying hearing it in game and imagining my Inquisitor's inner snicker over how The Iron Bull was handled so easily!
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Post by smellycatbutts on Oct 25, 2016 23:44:53 GMT
I liked Iron Bulls betrayal and how it was handled (and I love the war table quests! I think the quests you get from siding with the Qun are much more interesting than keeping the Chargers around ) When he turns around and says his line ('nothing personal, bas') you don't even have time to say anything before he attacks. I guess that was on purpose on his part. There is no emotion to him when he betrays the Inquisitor and I think that was most telling. Choices should always have consequences. It makes perfect sense that IB betrays the Inquisitor if he's loyal to the Qun. He sacrificed the Chargers because the Qun demanded it so when the Qun demands that the Inquisitor should die he obeys. Solas said that 'you among the Qun have been taught not to think' and that 'as a mindless soulless drone you could never make any decisions.' That pretty much describes Qun!Bull and why he obeys Viddasala. It's not his place to think or question her orders. Yes! I enjoyed Betrayal IB more so than loyal IB. Trespasser doesn't offer much reward for a loyal IB anyway. The whole Solas angstmance never did anything for me, but I fully enjoyed my inquisitor's rage upon being betrayed for her former lover! Goodbye, Chargers!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 26, 2016 0:30:37 GMT
A romanced IB in Trespasser is actually really nice though. I know some were disappointed by the whole 'marriage' talk, but the banter you get with him if you take him in your party is good. At least I thought so. It makes up some for the 'lack' in the actual talks, for me.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 26, 2016 4:34:37 GMT
Some fan art for this thread! Dakkun39And I'll throw this one in, too, because Krem is adorable and The Iron Bull is in the background!
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