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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 24, 2017 20:22:09 GMT
I just randomly started playing the ME3 MP again (this time on PC, where all my previous action was on 360) and I was surprised to find that no one was camping in the the box of shame on Firebase Rio or just in general holding that area of the map to channel enemies from one direction to you. No one was holding the lower room on Firebase White, but instead just running around willy nilly.
Are these strategies, and others of similar nature, no longer the norm in ME3 MP?
Or was it just because I was playing with randoms on Silver? (hey! on PC I'm level 1 and have no other characters than the default. I wasn't going into gold or platinum with that lol)
Perhaps there are new, better strategies that I'm not aware of?
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Post by twangled on Jan 24, 2017 22:45:00 GMT
Changes in the game were made to discourage camping e.g. fast moving Cerberus Dragoons, Geth Bombers and Pyros can no longer be over cover grabbed. You're better off running to the next spawn after wiping out the group in the current area, or getting the hell out to avoid being overrun. Either way, the game is more dynamic now.
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Post by Clyde on Jan 24, 2017 23:33:40 GMT
Those "strategies" are used by players who are in too high a difficulty, so they are still widely employed, you just have to find a group of relatively new players who are inexperienced. Had you been playing on console, you'd have no problem finding such; on the contrary, you'd eventually get tired of carrying them and resort to soloing.
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Post by BDaddy1968 on Jan 24, 2017 23:54:17 GMT
Those "strategies" are used by players who are in too high a difficulty, so they are still widely employed, you just have to find a group of relatively new players who are inexperienced. Had you been playing on console, you'd have no problem finding such; on the contrary, you'd eventually get tired of carrying them and resort to soloing. QFT
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Post by Pearl on Jan 25, 2017 2:41:35 GMT
The strategy I recommend is the one where you run around and shoot the fuck out of the bad guys.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 13:44:14 GMT
Idk, I feel like, ya know, sticking together... regardless of whether it's in a box or not is going to be a definitively better strategy than people just running around and shooting stuff on their own. Which is basically what happened once again every game I was in last night.
This brings about problems. (The only way of which I can think to solve is... follow whoever the best person of the other 3 is around and watch their back.)
You don't have people watching your back, you don't know where your teammates are during a battle, if you go down... good luck getting revived.
Not to mention, staying in the middle of the map is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen. Yeah, let's have enemies come from multiple directions rather than just one.
Welp, time to make friends on PC, I suppose. lmao
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 13:48:52 GMT
Those "strategies" are used by players who are in too high a difficulty, so they are still widely employed, you just have to find a group of relatively new players who are inexperienced. Had you been playing on console, you'd have no problem finding such; on the contrary, you'd eventually get tired of carrying them and resort to soloing. Doubtful that I'd get tired of it. I quite enjoyed all the credits from easy wins. Which, if it allows you to beat a "too high difficultly"... I'd argue, is that really too high of a difficulty then? Especially, if a simple strategy like funneling can beat it? It's fine if that's no longer the norm. I'd just like to know what teams should be doing now? As it just looks like people run off on their own with classes like the turian havoc and could give fuck all about whether the team survives or not. I'm not a slayer, I'm a team shooter/support player. I spam overload and tech bursts to strip protections for all the people with snipers and the better damage to take out the enemies. So, knowing what I need to do in this new version would be lovely. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 13:59:14 GMT
To be honest, if you'd like the folks to do something, why not just speak up? I know it's hard to overcome the shyness, but well, I pugged mostly, and stuff I pick up from someone good I play with, well, it gets me killed when I expect other folks play just like someone else. I mean, I don't know how many times 3 players head into the land zone, while I scamper around to the other end of the map looking like a complete a-hole. Just because I know in my heart it's the right thing to do.... well, I am still abandoning the team. I can never telepathically divulge if they think they are pretty cool, so it's no biggie to do the land zone on silver, and maybe some maps you are smart to do it.... gods only know.
Also, well, I know I stick to silver precisely because I do not know a lot, and assume everyone else is the same way.
So, yep, if someone has a plan, I will be happy to hear it and will try to follow it to the best of mine. But I will not always manage to stick to it, hence... silver.
Anyway, the point I am trying to get across is just say something, don't stew in it. Well, politely would be sweet.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 14:18:58 GMT
To be honest, if you'd like the folks to do something, why not just speak up? I know it's hard to overcome the shyness, but well, I pugged mostly, and stuff I pick up from someone good I play with, well, it gets me killed when I expect other folks play just like someone else. I mean, I don't know how many times 3 players head into the land zone, while I scamper around to the other end of the map looking like a complete a-hole. Just because I know in my heart it's the right thing to do.... well, I am still abandoning the team. I can never telepathically divulge if they think they are pretty cool, so it's no biggie to do the land zone on silver, and maybe some maps you are smart to do it.... gods only know. Also, well, I know I stick to silver precisely because I do not know a lot, and assume everyone else is the same way. So, yep, if someone has a plan, I will be happy to hear it and will try to follow it to the best of mine. But I will not always manage to stick to it, hence... silver. Anyway, the point I am trying to get across is just say something, don't stew in it. Well, politely would be sweet. YES! haha I thought it was kind of common knowledge that when it's extraction wave, everyone goes to the opposite side of the map to lure the enemies there and then sprint to the landing zone so as not to be overwhelmed and die just trying to hold the landing zone the whole time. But, even in gold, last night... maybe 1 out of 8 games people actually did that. So things like that led me to asking what people normally do these days. For all I know, the strategy IS to camp at the landing zone now. Hence, the question. Like I said, I was just sort of shocked by what I saw people doing. Hooking up my mic is probably a great plan though! (Would also help if I had good characters/weapons unlocked too haha)
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To be honest, if you'd like the folks to do something, why not just speak up? I know it's hard to overcome the shyness, but well, I pugged mostly, and stuff I pick up from someone good I play with, well, it gets me killed when I expect other folks play just like someone else. I mean, I don't know how many times 3 players head into the land zone, while I scamper around to the other end of the map looking like a complete a-hole. Just because I know in my heart it's the right thing to do.... well, I am still abandoning the team. I can never telepathically divulge if they think they are pretty cool, so it's no biggie to do the land zone on silver, and maybe some maps you are smart to do it.... gods only know. Also, well, I know I stick to silver precisely because I do not know a lot, and assume everyone else is the same way. So, yep, if someone has a plan, I will be happy to hear it and will try to follow it to the best of mine. But I will not always manage to stick to it, hence... silver. Anyway, the point I am trying to get across is just say something, don't stew in it. Well, politely would be sweet. YES! haha I thought it was kind of common knowledge that when it's extraction wave, everyone goes to the opposite side of the map to lure the enemies there and then sprint to the landing zone so as not to be overwhelmed and die just trying to hold the landing zone the whole time. But, even in gold, last night... maybe 1 out of 8 games people actually did that. So things like that led me to asking what people normally do these days. For all I know, the strategy IS to camp at the landing zone now. Hence, the question. Like I said, I was just sort of shocked by what I saw people doing. Hooking up my mic is probably a great plan though! :) (Would also help if I had good characters/weapons unlocked too haha) Well, think about where this game is right now: 4 or 5 years after release, and a new game is just about to hit the shelves. So, what you have left in the player pool are basically very few old guard that are solo'ing or playing uber-difficulties, and the folks like me, who started just now with other folks that started just now or learned on their own, and to add to that more often than not, there are folks that do the heavy lifting around, so you get very uneven groups, which makes it very hard to judge what's up. One pug you run the same kit and feel like an immortal goddess, and the next pug you die ingloriously, cause, OMG, now you are the one that gets all the agro. Anyways, have fun regardless and well, would be nice if folks do talk :)
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 14:38:25 GMT
YES! haha I thought it was kind of common knowledge that when it's extraction wave, everyone goes to the opposite side of the map to lure the enemies there and then sprint to the landing zone so as not to be overwhelmed and die just trying to hold the landing zone the whole time. But, even in gold, last night... maybe 1 out of 8 games people actually did that. So things like that led me to asking what people normally do these days. For all I know, the strategy IS to camp at the landing zone now. Hence, the question. Like I said, I was just sort of shocked by what I saw people doing. Hooking up my mic is probably a great plan though! (Would also help if I had good characters/weapons unlocked too haha) Well, think about where this game is right now: 4 or 5 years after release, and a new game is just about to hit the shelves. So, what you have left in the player pool are basically very few old guard that are solo'ing or playing uber-difficulties, and the folks like me, who started just now with other folks that started just now or learned on their own, and to add to that more often than not, there are folks that do the heavy lifting around, so you get very uneven groups, which makes it very hard to judge what's up. One pug you run the same kit and feel like an immortal goddess, and the next pug you die ingloriously, cause, OMG, now you are the one that gets all the agro. Anyways, have fun regardless and well, would be nice if folks do talk Haha, I'm glad you said the time frame as I couldn't remember how long it has been myself! But yeah, that does make some sense. I myself, am just jumping back into as to sort of get up to speed before ME:A comes out. I am by no means a great player at this MP but I used to be able to win games on platinum with a group of other players pretty regularly. Now, I find it hard to survive when I don't know what the team is doing. But, if you still play... feel free to add me on PC as I could use people to play with. SgtReed24 is my tag on Origin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 14:45:11 GMT
Well, think about where this game is right now: 4 or 5 years after release, and a new game is just about to hit the shelves. So, what you have left in the player pool are basically very few old guard that are solo'ing or playing uber-difficulties, and the folks like me, who started just now with other folks that started just now or learned on their own, and to add to that more often than not, there are folks that do the heavy lifting around, so you get very uneven groups, which makes it very hard to judge what's up. One pug you run the same kit and feel like an immortal goddess, and the next pug you die ingloriously, cause, OMG, now you are the one that gets all the agro. Anyways, have fun regardless and well, would be nice if folks do talk :) Haha, I'm glad you said the time frame as I couldn't remember how long it has been myself! But yeah, that does make some sense. I myself, am just jumping back into as to sort of get up to speed before ME:A comes out. I am by no means a great player at this MP but I used to be able to win games on platinum with a group of other players pretty regularly. Now, I find it hard to survive when I don't know what the team is doing. But, if you still play... feel free to add me on PC as I could use people to play with. SgtReed24 is my tag on Origin. :) Thank you, I will. :) But I play at really odd times & my game version is at odds with a lot of folks', so I end up not really hanging out with the nice folks I meet on the boards a lot. Which is sad.... EDIT: Duh, there is also the LFG thread pinned, you can hook up with folks there too. Trust me, they know to stay out of the LZ....
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Post by Clyde on Jan 25, 2017 15:28:42 GMT
Those "strategies" are used by players who are in too high a difficulty, so they are still widely employed, you just have to find a group of relatively new players who are inexperienced. Had you been playing on console, you'd have no problem finding such; on the contrary, you'd eventually get tired of carrying them and resort to soloing. Doubtful that I'd get tired of it. I quite enjoyed all the credits from easy wins. Which, if it allows you to beat a "too high difficultly"... I'd argue, is that really too high of a difficulty then? Especially, if a simple strategy like funneling can beat it? It's fine if that's no longer the norm. I'd just like to know what teams should be doing now? As it just looks like people run off on their own with classes like the turian havoc and could give fuck all about whether the team survives or not. I'm not a slayer, I'm a team shooter/support player. I spam overload and tech bursts to strip protections for all the people with snipers and the better damage to take out the enemies. So, knowing what I need to do in this new version would be lovely. lol I never said they made extraction, though Geth Juggernauts with Volus shield batteries and a Flamer kit is pretty dummy proof; even the most inexperienced of players with an hour to burn can beat a platinum match that way. My point is I can do it faster by myself and at this point, rather than try to bring players along and ween them off the nipple that is the Juggernaut, I'd rather go alone. So, I can appreciate the credits in a quicker time. I apologize if that comes off as elitist or snobby, but I've tried to help players and all I've gotten is resistance.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 15:46:56 GMT
Doubtful that I'd get tired of it. I quite enjoyed all the credits from easy wins. Which, if it allows you to beat a "too high difficultly"... I'd argue, is that really too high of a difficulty then? Especially, if a simple strategy like funneling can beat it? It's fine if that's no longer the norm. I'd just like to know what teams should be doing now? As it just looks like people run off on their own with classes like the turian havoc and could give fuck all about whether the team survives or not. I'm not a slayer, I'm a team shooter/support player. I spam overload and tech bursts to strip protections for all the people with snipers and the better damage to take out the enemies. So, knowing what I need to do in this new version would be lovely. lol I never said they made extraction, though Geth Juggernauts with Volus shield batteries and a Flamer kit is pretty dummy proof; even the most inexperienced of players with an hour to burn can beat a platinum match that way. My point is I can do it faster by myself and at this point, rather than try to bring players along and ween them off the nipple that is the Juggernaut, I'd rather go alone. So, I can appreciate the credits in a quicker time. I apologize if that comes off as elitist or snobby, but I've tried to help players and all I've gotten is resistance. So, your advice is... play solo? That sounds rather... bleh. And sort of defeats the point of multiplayer. If you mean just play solo in a room with other people... that's reeeeally annoying. Multiple people were doing that last night and it just ruined the games and forced failed extractions and/or partial extractions.
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Post by Clyde on Jan 25, 2017 16:17:34 GMT
I never said they made extraction, though Geth Juggernauts with Volus shield batteries and a Flamer kit is pretty dummy proof; even the most inexperienced of players with an hour to burn can beat a platinum match that way. My point is I can do it faster by myself and at this point, rather than try to bring players along and ween them off the nipple that is the Juggernaut, I'd rather go alone. So, I can appreciate the credits in a quicker time. I apologize if that comes off as elitist or snobby, but I've tried to help players and all I've gotten is resistance. So, your advice is... play solo? That sounds rather... bleh. And sort of defeats the point of multiplayer. If you mean just play solo in a room with other people... that's reeeeally annoying. Multiple people were doing that last night and it just ruined the games and forced failed extractions and/or partial extractions. My advice is......don't take advice from me. I've played well over 2000 hrs and I am content to lone wolf it because I can, and at the end it's very rare for me to wipe in a team game. It's easier for me to lone wolf it rather than babysit 3 teammates who can't stay alive, presumably. You're a team player? You know how to complement the team? Keep doing that. Teamwork is still the most optimal weapon you can attack the game with, problem is I hardly ever encounter competent teammates. So, I solo, or I approach team games with the expectation that if I don't fare well, we will lose. Hence, soloing.
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Post by Mobius Y on Jan 25, 2017 16:48:06 GMT
So, your advice is... play solo? That sounds rather... bleh. And sort of defeats the point of multiplayer. If you mean just play solo in a room with other people... that's reeeeally annoying. Multiple people were doing that last night and it just ruined the games and forced failed extractions and/or partial extractions. My advice is......don't take advice from me. I've played well over 2000 hrs and I am content to lone wolf it because I can, and at the end it's very rare for me to wipe in a team game. It's easier for me to lone wolf it rather than babysit 3 teammates who can't stay alive, presumably. You're a team player? You know how to complement the team? Keep doing that. Teamwork is still the most optimal weapon you can attack the game with, problem is I hardly ever encounter competent teammates. So, I solo, or I approach team games with the expectation that if I don't fare well, we will lose. Hence, soloing. This. Clyde's the kind of person who, if he's running an optimal setup, can easily carry the whole game to extraction. Plus it would be faster than grouping up with pubbies and attempting to work together.
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My advice is......don't take advice from me. I've played well over 2000 hrs and I am content to lone wolf it because I can, and at the end it's very rare for me to wipe in a team game. It's easier for me to lone wolf it rather than babysit 3 teammates who can't stay alive, presumably. You're a team player? You know how to complement the team? Keep doing that. Teamwork is still the most optimal weapon you can attack the game with, problem is I hardly ever encounter competent teammates. So, I solo, or I approach team games with the expectation that if I don't fare well, we will lose. Hence, soloing. This. Clyde's the kind of person who, if he's running an optimal setup, can easily carry the whole game to extraction. Plus it would be faster than grouping up with pubbies and attempting to work together. That's fine. Then go play alone and solo platinum, gold, or whatever to your hearts content. More power to you. That isn't helpful to the question at hand of are there new strategies that people employ to efficiently beat the MP at the harder level these days. Nor is that conducive to a team game. Example: you're on one side of the map trying with another teammate to kill off a group that you have an advantage position wise on, thinking that because your other teammate was just behind you a second ago that someone is watching your back... only to find out, nope they were just there because they felt like killing that one geth rocket trooper for whatever reason and now they are busy sprinting to the other side of the map popping stimulant packs as you're getting shot in the back because you're focusing your fire elsewhere assuming that in a team game, your team would work together. Annnnd queue death and thus players leaving and/or the match taking forever because that guy just wants to solo. I'd prefer they just stay out of MP if that's their M.O. Run private matches with themselves.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Jan 25, 2017 17:15:53 GMT
Those "strategies" are used by players who are in too high a difficulty, so they are still widely employed, you just have to find a group of relatively new players who are inexperienced. Had you been playing on console, you'd have no problem finding such; on the contrary, you'd eventually get tired of carrying them and resort to soloing. Disagree. Camping is still viable. It's a cover based shooter with synergistic powers and ammo types. It makes sense to camp to minimize consumable loss. All of that said camping is boring and slow and for the most part pugs can't do it right. Idk do it BC I got to get mah kills but I recognize the value of the strategy. Anyone camping should also be able to recognize when it's time to move and be able to do that as well.
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Post by Clyde on Jan 25, 2017 17:27:34 GMT
sgtreed24 if you wanna see how I play, I'm also on xbox and my GT is ClydeInTheShell. I'd hate to think I play anything like what you described after all this time. nucleartech76 Long time! Where the hell have you been?
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This. Clyde's the kind of person who, if he's running an optimal setup, can easily carry the whole game to extraction. Plus it would be faster than grouping up with pubbies and attempting to work together. That's fine. Then go play alone and solo platinum, gold, or whatever to your hearts content. More power to you. That isn't helpful to the question at hand of are there new strategies that people employ to efficiently beat the MP at the harder level these days. Nor is that conducive to a team game. Example: you're on one side of the map trying with another teammate to kill off a group that you have an advantage position wise on, thinking that because your other teammate was just behind you a second ago that someone is watching your back... only to find out, nope they were just there because they felt like killing that one geth rocket trooper for whatever reason and now they are busy sprinting to the other side of the map popping stimulant packs as you're getting shot in the back because you're focusing your fire elsewhere assuming that in a team game, your team would work together. Annnnd queue death and thus players leaving and/or the match taking forever because that guy just wants to solo. I'd prefer they just stay out of MP if that's their M.O. Run private matches with themselves. Well, some things are more obvious, like if the guy is carrying thing, and it says "defend" over his head, it's fairily easy to surmise that you stick around whether he wants it or not, and shoot stuff that shoots at him. So, tbh, as long as the folks try to do these, I am happy. But the other thing you've mentioned, like holding choke-points and funnelling, this sounds like something I'd like a voice prompt to do. Also, well, again, I would plead stupidity before conspiracy numerous times each night I play, tbh, because the game does let you get carried away, or carry out unplanned actions. Such as jumping over cover instead of dropping in cover, taking cover instead of reviving, and, my personal favorite (particulary cloaked) dropping numerous times into cover instead of starting to disarm the device. Finally, carrying the object in that awesome way the guides tell you to... it's just not happening for me, so I die of embaracement while crab-walking, so I would rather anybody else carry the darn device. I hope we can toss it to one another in Andromeda, because that's gotta be the single turn off I have discovered in the objective based play so far.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 25, 2017 18:02:13 GMT
sgtreed24 if you wanna see how I play, I'm also on xbox and my GT is ClydeInTheShell. I'd hate to think I play anything like what you described after all this time. nucleartech76 Long time! Where the hell have you been? I would if my 360 was out and hooked up. It's stored away somewhere as I no longer had the need for it once next gen hit and I bought a PC. That's fine. Then go play alone and solo platinum, gold, or whatever to your hearts content. More power to you. That isn't helpful to the question at hand of are there new strategies that people employ to efficiently beat the MP at the harder level these days. Nor is that conducive to a team game. Example: you're on one side of the map trying with another teammate to kill off a group that you have an advantage position wise on, thinking that because your other teammate was just behind you a second ago that someone is watching your back... only to find out, nope they were just there because they felt like killing that one geth rocket trooper for whatever reason and now they are busy sprinting to the other side of the map popping stimulant packs as you're getting shot in the back because you're focusing your fire elsewhere assuming that in a team game, your team would work together. Annnnd queue death and thus players leaving and/or the match taking forever because that guy just wants to solo. I'd prefer they just stay out of MP if that's their M.O. Run private matches with themselves. Well, some things are more obvious, like if the guy is carrying thing, and it says "defend" over his head, it's fairily easy to surmise that you stick around whether he wants it or not, and shoot stuff that shoots at him. So, tbh, as long as the folks try to do these, I am happy. But the other thing you've mentioned, like holding choke-points and funnelling, this sounds like something I'd like a voice prompt to do. Also, well, again, I would plead stupidity before conspiracy numerous times each night I play, tbh, because the game does let you get carried away, or carry out unplanned actions. Such as jumping over cover instead of dropping in cover, taking cover instead of reviving, and, my personal favorite (particulary cloaked) dropping numerous times into cover instead of starting to disarm the device. Finally, carrying the object in that awesome way the guides tell you to... it's just not happening for me, so I die of embaracement while crab-walking, so I would rather anybody else carry the darn device. I hope we can toss it to one another in Andromeda, because that's gotta be the single turn off I have discovered in the objective based play so far. Yeah, it's less a problem with objectives for me. Everyone seems to try to do those, which is great (and more than I can say for other MP games out there). It's just when it isn't an objective wave... everyone just sort of does their own thing. Frustrating. lol And I absolutely hope that the cover system (and movement in general) is way less clunky and "sticky" in ME:A. Because I, too, get stuck on cover quite frequently when trying to get the hell out of dodge, especially with squishy characters. That's a good example of something I didn't know about (or a new strategy people employ). I didn't know about "crab walking" the package to the drop off. Like I said, it's more just the lack of teamwork in general and I feel it does have some to do with that "lone wolf" playstyle that clyde was talking about.
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Post by Mobius Y on Jan 25, 2017 18:34:41 GMT
This. Clyde's the kind of person who, if he's running an optimal setup, can easily carry the whole game to extraction. Plus it would be faster than grouping up with pubbies and attempting to work together. That's fine. Then go play alone and solo platinum, gold, or whatever to your hearts content. More power to you. That isn't helpful to the question at hand of are there new strategies that people employ to efficiently beat the MP at the harder level these days. On the contrary, it answers the question fine. It's more efficient and faster to simply run around killing everything rather than hole up and draw the waves in to the team. Despite what you think this is not a team game. It's not SMITE where if one team member sucks the whole team suffers substantially. In ME3, one person can overcompensate for everyone else sucking combined, and can carry the whole group if they're good enough.
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Post by inert on Jan 25, 2017 18:54:45 GMT
There's a lot of nonsense being tossed around here - but Moby and Clyde are right, with Clyde providing more of his own personal opinion.
OP, the only strategy is adaptation. If the team is proving powerful enough to spawn rush, then you too have to adapt instead of wishing everyone would slow down to your level. Learn the spawns, don't get flanked. If a good player clears one spawn, you can head to the next to prevent flanking.
You can always aim to be more of a team player by reviving where possible, choosing a kit that compliments the lobby, etc. But ultimately reducing the wave budget is the best thing you can do for the team, with situational kiting being the next best. Reviving should be a rarity as you should be able to take care of yourself, or else you're on the wrong difficulty.
Keep in mind, this is all ideal. Obviously players need to get their feet wet at some point and some magnitude of failure is to be expected. But it's best to realize where you can improve in order to git gud.
Maybe I'll catch you online, I started on xbox and made the switch too!
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