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Post by Solas on Jan 24, 2017 4:09:07 GMT
why do the new videos always drop when I'm going to be outta town? gdi here's hoping it drops. son i am excite sidenote: sometimes I see you around BSN posting @knightenchanter and do a double take for a split second wondering if you're me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 4:37:39 GMT
Did he really or did you all just assume such with no reason to? I'd love someone to actually quote him on these "blowout he predicted" that never came true. Yes, he did say it. Almost word-for-word, in fact. And he also said it in this podcast interview about a month after posting that on NeoGAF. “After that I was told they’re going completely dark until E3 because I was literally told ‘we’re going to approach it Fallout 4-style.’ Literally. It’s smart too because you don’t want to keep stringing people along for years,”I want him to be right about this one, but he's been wrong on enough things that I do not trust him as an information source. If he winds up being right, then that's fantastic. If he winds up being wrong, then don't say I didn't try to warn you. Well thanks for quoting him. He was wrong about an E3 "blowout" but pretty much everything other than that including the mountains of info on the game he leaked has proven to be correct. I still don't see him as being wrong on the Fallout style information dump as we still have 2 months until the game is released. So as I see it the only thing he's been wrong about was a "blowout at e3" so I stick with with my previous comment of him being right about pretty much everything. Ian is already slightly teasing the trailer on twitter so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 24, 2017 4:41:32 GMT
Yes, he did say it. Almost word-for-word, in fact. And he also said it in this podcast interview about a month after posting that on NeoGAF. “After that I was told they’re going completely dark until E3 because I was literally told ‘we’re going to approach it Fallout 4-style.’ Literally. It’s smart too because you don’t want to keep stringing people along for years,”I want him to be right about this one, but he's been wrong on enough things that I do not trust him as an information source. If he winds up being right, then that's fantastic. If he winds up being wrong, then don't say I didn't try to warn you. Well thanks for quoting him. He was wrong about an E3 "blowout" but pretty much everything other than that including the mountains of info on the game he leaked has proven to be correct. I still don't see him as being wrong on the Fallout style information dump as we still have 2 months until the game is released. So as I see it the only thing he's been wrong about was a "blowout at e3" so I stick with with my previous comment of him being right about pretty much everything. Ian is already slightly teasing the trailer on twitter so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Which then leads to only an opinion on whether or not this trailer will change any of the particular bad feelings.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Jan 24, 2017 4:56:26 GMT
Yes, he did say it. Almost word-for-word, in fact. And he also said it in this podcast interview about a month after posting that on NeoGAF. “After that I was told they’re going completely dark until E3 because I was literally told ‘we’re going to approach it Fallout 4-style.’ Literally. It’s smart too because you don’t want to keep stringing people along for years,”I want him to be right about this one, but he's been wrong on enough things that I do not trust him as an information source. If he winds up being right, then that's fantastic. If he winds up being wrong, then don't say I didn't try to warn you. Well thanks for quoting him. He was wrong about an E3 "blowout" but pretty much everything other than that including the mountains of info on the game he leaked has proven to be correct. I still don't see him as being wrong on the Fallout style information dump as we still have 2 months until the game is released. So as I see it the only thing he's been wrong about was a "blowout at e3" so I stick with with my previous comment of him being right about pretty much everything. Ian is already slightly teasing the trailer on twitter so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. He went back on the E3 blowout after he initially promised it, so he wasn't completely wrong on that front. Could have been a change of plans on Bioware's part.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 24, 2017 5:13:34 GMT
Who is this Shinobi person?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 24, 2017 5:17:02 GMT
Who is this Shinobi person? Supposedly an industry insider who likes posting information and leaking information about games out there on the interwebz. He does seem to focus on BioWare games (at least to the best of my knowledge) and his accuracy is usually quite good.
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Post by missileglitcher on Jan 24, 2017 5:45:44 GMT
It'll be a pointless 60 second trailer containing no gameplay, just a bunch of lame voice acting and gay dramatic quotes. This game is going to suck harder than mass effect 3, mark my wurdz.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 8:15:28 GMT
I think it's not that important if Shinobi was always right on MEA. He demonstrated in the past that he was right on several things and games. He's by no mean perfect, and I'm not taking his words for granted, but I can agree that we'll get a trailer this week or early the next at worst (he didn't actually guarantee we'll get one this week).
My problem with what he said is on the fact that the trailer will apparently satisfy most of the complainers/the vocal minority. The validity of his statement depends a lot on what exactly are the problems of this minority he's referring to. Because people have been critical or skeptical of different things.
If it's about plot and characters, a trailer focused on that might satisfy those people if they reveal and show squadmates and/or crew members with details on them, and a bit of plot/stories or the game. Although for the latter showing modern of the story won't necessarily stop the criticism, since we have people not liking certain choices in the plot so far, and revealing more won't necessarily stop the criticism.
If we're talking about gameplay features, the statement is unlikely to turn out to be right. While explaining more of the combat and the new features might satisfy some people since they didn't show much so far, most of the criticism is based on the choices made about the gameplay, so showing more might not satisfy them.
Another point to discuss is the length of the trailer. If it's about 2-3 minutes, we'll see the same critics we saw in the past, since Bioware didn't release a lengthy video so far. And this is connected to the points made above. People want to see different things they haven't shown so far. While a lot might be interested in both and a detailed trailer on either might satisfy them, there are several people primarily interested and/or concerned on one of them (or other features, like MP), so unless we'll get a long video that focuses on both, there'll be people disappointed, and depending on who shinobi was referring to with his statement, the latter won't be right.
I'm fine with them showing whatever they want at this point if they're going to be detailed enough, but I think a good approach to take is to not have too high expectations on the next trailer. You won't get too disappointed if it turns out to be nothing special and you'll be happily surprised if it turns out to be great.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jan 24, 2017 8:20:14 GMT
It'll be a pointless 60 second trailer containing no gameplay, just a bunch of lame voice acting and gay dramatic quotes. This game is going to suck harder than mass effect 3, mark my wurdz. Cool, brah. Extra points for using "gay" as a pejorative.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 8:23:41 GMT
MEA will be better then ME3 for me just for the...not logical decision of having just two dialogue choices for most of the game Exaggeration aside, I'm glad they're giving us more choices, even more then ME-ME2, during dialogues. I hope they'll focus a bit on a video or a blog post on the different tones.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 24, 2017 8:26:03 GMT
If my marketing sense doesn't fail me, then when they say "negativity sentiment" they usually mean youtube comments (which were mostly about animations), not Hanako's concerns about siblings personality on BSN.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 8:26:48 GMT
why nobody has learnt from the lesson that was ME3 is anyones guess. Do not believe the hype. Do not pre-order. Let them sell you back into the ME universe. If it stinks look elsewhere. If it's great then they've done a good job.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 8:28:54 GMT
If my marketing sense doesn't fail me, then when they say "negativity sentiment" they usually mean youtube comments (which were mostly about animations), not Hanako's concerns about siblings personality on BSN. Shinobi isn't Bioware though, so I don't know what he's referring to. I guess it might be about some complains he saw on GAF. why nobody has learnt from the lesson that was ME3 is anyones guess. Do not believe the hype. Do not pre-order. Let them sell you back into the ME universe. If it stinks look elsewhere. If it's great then they've done a good job. You're assuming everyone hated, disliked or had that much problems with ME3 or its endings.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 24, 2017 8:44:57 GMT
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 24, 2017 9:43:58 GMT
I'd like that to happen.
I don't think a cinematic trailer can do it, however. It might show off some plot points, characters and romances and that will hype a lot of people, but what is needed to show that Andromeda is on tracks is a full gameplay video. Like 10 minutes of someone just playing the game and minimal editing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 9:55:27 GMT
If my marketing sense doesn't fail me, then when they say "negativity sentiment" they usually mean youtube comments (which were mostly about animations), not Hanako's concerns about siblings personality on BSN. Shinobi isn't Bioware though, so I don't know what he's referring to. I guess it might be about some complains he saw on GAF. why nobody has learnt from the lesson that was ME3 is anyones guess. Do not believe the hype. Do not pre-order. Let them sell you back into the ME universe. If it stinks look elsewhere. If it's great then they've done a good job. You're assuming everyone hated, disliked or had that much problems with ME3 or its endings.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 10:02:58 GMT
Shinobi isn't Bioware though, so I don't know what he's referring to. I guess it might be about some complains he saw on GAF. You're assuming everyone hated, disliked or had that much problems with ME3 or its endings. You do realize that over 2k people saying they don't mind the endings support my point right? Beside, not everyone here was around BSN at the time. And many might've get over it, since the poll is years old.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 10:20:28 GMT
You do realize that over 2k people saying they don't mind the endings support my point right? Compared to 20K saying the opposite on the same poll?... That's 10%, it's a rather sad statement if I've ever seen one. I never made the statement the majority or even half liked the endings (I'm rather mixed about them myself). Saying that people have to 'learn' from ME3, however, assumes the people that are looking foward to Andromeda are the same that disliked the endings, or that they're here in this forum. Other then the fact that for some of them, it's something in the past. And there's another assumption based on the poll, that all people that thought the endings sucked thought the game sucked. Again, I'm not arguing that the endings weren't met with a most negative reception, but that basing for the endings alone that 'every'one disliked ME3 isn't exactly right.
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Post by kumazan on Jan 24, 2017 10:39:45 GMT
I hope this is true. Not the "change a lot of the negative sentiment part", because the only relevant problem I have so far is the three active skills, and that is just not going to change now, but the trailer coming this week. I'm bad at patience, damn.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 11:04:50 GMT
One thing to remember is that Shinobi seems to be the officially unofficial chosen method of communication for BW these days. This means that usually he knows what he's talking about when he talks about details, but it can also potentially mean that they can use him for PR talk. I don't think that a new trailer will fundamentally change my perception of ME:A, but I guess we'll see. That's the point I made in my first post in the thread. It's unlikely the trailer is going to change the problems people have with certain design and story choices. If shinobi was simply referring to those that criticized the scarcity of info, that's another thing which might be solved by the next trailer, is it has enough info.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 24, 2017 11:13:01 GMT
To be honest I doubt there's much Bioware can show to stem most of the pessimism being thrown about right now. If they provide an extended trailer that shows improved combat mechanics including the use of cover and proper lip-syncing/facial animations I might feel a bit better about the game but it does nothing to address the rather weak premise of the AI as a whole, the toothless Nomad and Tempest, the 3 power limit, or the numerous other things people are "nit-picking." If anything a new trailer will reinforce some peoples perceptions or deliver new aspects to be less than thrilled about since it's sure to be taken apart frame by frame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:14:45 GMT
I'm looking forward to the trailer and hope it turns out to be as awesome as Shinobi is predicting.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 11:22:29 GMT
To be honest I doubt there's much Bioware can show to stem much of the pessimism being thrown about right now. If they provide an extended trailer that shows improved combat mechanics including the use of cover and proper lip-syncing/facial animations I might feel a bit better about the game but it does nothing to address the rather weak premise of the AI as a whole, the toothless Nomad and Tempest, the 3 power limit, or the numerous other things people are "nit-picking." If anything a new trailer will reinforce some peoples perceptions or deliver new aspects to be less than thrilled about since it's sure to be taken apart frame by frame. Cover is definitely important. While I understand that some people want to see it for clarity, if they look at the last trailer they can notice how Ryder was about to get wiped on a low difficult setting without going to cover. Lip synching and facial animation are probably going to better, although I won't expect too much. Power limits is still not clear, since they didn't give a definitive answer and they said they'll explain the system later on. I do agree with your point that the trailer unlikely will change people's mind on what they don't like about the plot/certain design decision. That's why shinobi's statement is kind of weak. It's too generic and could've been pointed at too many different things people might've not appreciated so far.
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