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Post by bigbad on Jan 24, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
Shinobi isn't Bioware though, so I don't know what he's referring to. I guess it might be about some complains he saw on GAF. You're assuming everyone hated, disliked or had that much problems with ME3 or its endings. I hated the ending of ME3 as much (or more than) most, but non-scientific polls are less than useless when it comes to conveying actual information.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:52:03 GMT
I hated the ending of ME3 as much (or more than) most, but non-scientific polls are less than useless when it comes to conveying actual information. but since it was the only way to judge on BSN at the time I would have thought it was fairly accurate.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 24, 2017 11:53:26 GMT
It'll be a pointless 60 second trailer containing no gameplay, just a bunch of lame voice acting and gay dramatic quotes. This game is going to suck harder than mass effect 3, mark my wurdz. Cool, brah. Extra points for using "gay" as a pejorative. Indeed makes me wonder why he's even here because he clearly isn't a fan of Bioware's games.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 24, 2017 11:55:32 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm torn between excitement and wondering if I should even watch it. I don't want any character and story spoilers at this point. What I WOULD like to see is polished animations/lip sync (of Ryder) and maybe more combat.
There is little they could show that would change my reversations concerning certain features that are 100% confirmed already. I need to actually play the game to know if I'll have fun or not. For me the question isn't if this game will suck (it won't) but how much I'll enjoy it. Will it be "merely" a reasonably good game or will I love it? No trailer can answer that.
So my guess is that Shinobi is referring to things that seemed unpolished before. Everything else is subjective.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 11:57:49 GMT
I hated the ending of ME3 as much (or more than) most, but non-scientific polls are less than useless when it comes to conveying actual information. but since it was the only way to judge on BSN at the time I would have thought it was fairly accurate. But it's only a way to judge people that didn't like the endings, not ME3 as a whole. Beside, my point wasn't that most people were fine with either, but just that not everyone disliked them or ME3 at least, so assuming that everyone has to 'learn' from ME3 is wrong.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 24, 2017 11:58:55 GMT
Well thanks for quoting him. He was wrong about an E3 "blowout" but pretty much everything other than that including the mountains of info on the game he leaked has proven to be correct. I still don't see him as being wrong on the Fallout style information dump as we still have 2 months until the game is released. So as I see it the only thing he's been wrong about was a "blowout at e3" so I stick with with my previous comment of him being right about pretty much everything. Ian is already slightly teasing the trailer on twitter so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. He went back on the E3 blowout after he initially promised it, so he wasn't completely wrong on that front. Could have been a change of plans on Bioware's part. His posts are from May of 2016. Does anyone remember if this was before or after the release date was officially pushed back to 2017? If that's the case, that would account for any change of plans.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 11:59:19 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm torn between excitement and wondering if I should even watch it. I don't want any character and story spoilers at this point. What I WOULD like to see is polished animations/lip sync (of Ryder) and maybe more combat. There is little they could show that would change my reversations concerning certain features that are 100% confirmed already. I need to actually play the game to know if I'll have fun or not. For me the question isn't if this game will suck (it won't) but how much I'll enjoy it. Will it be "merely" a reasonably good game or will I love it? No trailer can answer that. So my guess is that Shinobi is referring to things that seemed unpolished before. Everything else is subjective. He could refer to not having enough info on the game as well. As for the first point, I guess you can wait and see the title of the trailer as well as what some people might say about it, so you'll know if there are thing you might consider spoilers.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Jan 24, 2017 12:01:29 GMT
He went back on the E3 blowout after he initially promised it, so he wasn't completely wrong on that front. Could have been a change of plans on Bioware's part. His posts are from May of 2016. Does anyone remember if this was before or after the release date was officially pushed back to 2017? If that's the case, that would account for any change of plans. MEA was pushed back to 2017 in early March 2016.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 24, 2017 12:01:50 GMT
This means that usually he knows what he's talking about when he talks about details, but it can also potentially mean that they can use him for PR talk. Eh, do you honestly think EA wouldn't be able to shut him down if he wasn't working for PR department? Like letting some dude mess with marketing schedule on regular basis?
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:06:17 GMT
This means that usually he knows what he's talking about when he talks about details, but it can also potentially mean that they can use him for PR talk. Eh, do you honestly think EA wouldn't be able to shut him down if he wasn't working for PR department? Like letting some dude mess with marketing schedule on regular basis? He's not 'working' for EA/BIoware PR department. His scope isn't limited to Bioware games, he talks and 'reveals' stuff for other games as well.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 24, 2017 12:08:04 GMT
I just want to see the CC in depth myself that would ease alot of my concerns but thats just me I guess.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:11:47 GMT
I just want to see the CC in depth myself that would ease alot of my concerns but thats just me I guess. I'd like to see the CC as well, but I doubt they'll show it now. Probably on February.
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Post by deebo305 on Jan 24, 2017 12:13:23 GMT
Not expecting much, been thoroughly underwhelmed by every trailer released aside from the Gameplay one. At this point I'm just convinced Bioware sucks at making them or at least the Andromeda team does.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:17:38 GMT
He's not 'working' for EA/BIoware PR department. His scope isn't limited to Bioware games, he talks and 'reveals' stuff for other games as well. Not "working" in the usual sense perhaps, but there's certainly a reason why no one is acting against him. He gets his information legitimately from the source, perhaps as part of a contract. I agree on that, and if he says something Bioware related is likely to be something he knows from a direct source. We do know he's been in Bioware studios as well, or met some Bioware devs as you said before. I just meant that he's not a Bioware employee or being necessarily partial because they pay him. His positive opinions on the game are likely because of his personal likings of Bioware games.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 24, 2017 12:17:44 GMT
I like to have the trailer show another scene of the fiend chopping down on a character. Instead of Sara, show a squadmate being chewed on.
As I've said before. I like to see some of the crew that will be serving on the tempest
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:20:28 GMT
I like to have the trailer show another scene of the fiend chopping down on a character. Instead of Sara, show a squadmate being chewed on. As I've said before. I like to see some of the crew that we be serving on the tempest I think they might show Kallo or Reyes soon, along with some squadmates. A point to consider is that some crewmates will be recruitable in the game so they might not reveal those.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 24, 2017 12:24:21 GMT
I hated the ending of ME3 as much (or more than) most, but non-scientific polls are less than useless when it comes to conveying actual information. but since it was the only way to judge on BSN at the time I would have thought it was fairly accurate. That poll came from the BSN. No matter how you feel about our current forum, people outside of the BSN largely regarded it as one of the most toxic places on the internet, especially after the Mass Effect 3 controversy. Now that is just rabble that is statistically unproven, but it was something that was pointed out in almost every online discussion surrounding the closure of the Official Bioware Forums. In addition, this poll is dated before the Extended Cut was released, so it isn't taking into account any change in opinion that might've occurred after. In other words, the accuracy of this poll isn't great. That being said, I would say that most people who played Mass Effect 3 have negative feelings about the ending. "Hate" is always such a strong word and isn't always accurate.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 24, 2017 12:26:10 GMT
I just want to see the CC in depth myself that would ease alot of my concerns but thats just me I guess. I'd like to see the CC as well, but I doubt they'll show it now. Probably on February. Yeah they seem determined to overflow us with Actionpacked Gameplay trailers it seems but the truth is that ME's CC has always been terrible and for that very reason many people used Default Shepard in a game like ME that is Character Based you would think BWare put forth a little more effort in that department you know but what do I know.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:28:40 GMT
I agree on that, and if he says something Bioware related is likely to be something he knows from a direct source. We do know he's been in Bioware studios as well, or met some Bioware devs as you said before. I just meant that he's not a Bioware employee or being necessarily partial because they pay him. His positive opinions on the game are likely because of his personal likings of Bioware games. Right. I'm sure his positive opinions have nothing to do with any contracts, or with the fact that he will stop getting info if he said something outright negative... But he also gave bad news, since he revealed some of the stuff that some people are concerned about, like on the battle system. For example, although it's not likely on the same level, but gamermd83 on YouTube have a good relationship with Bioware and went once in their studios and at the Christmas party, but she did mention her concern about the classless system, and while open minded, it sounded negative. It shinobi lies about stuff to make a game, regardless if Bioware's or another company, sounding like better then it is, he'll eventually be call out on his bullshit. Although I don't mean that we have to take his opinions on the game for granted. Regardless if it's for an influence from EA/Bioware or for his personal opinion (probably both), it doesn't mean that I'll necessary agree on them. I use him a source on when we might get info and or Bioware's plans on marketing or similar stuff, I don't use him as proof that the game will be amazing.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:29:40 GMT
I'd like to see the CC as well, but I doubt they'll show it now. Probably on February. Yeah they seem determined to overflow us with Actionpacked Gameplay trailers it seems but the truth is that ME's CC has always been terrible and for that very reason many people used Default Shepard in a game like ME that is Character Based you would think BWare put forth a little more effort in that department you know but what do I know. I think they'll release more stuff on story, characters and different features, I just think CC isn't in their priority list right now.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:30:36 GMT
people outside of the BSN largely regarded it as one of the most toxic places on the internet People that honestly think that probably don't really know the internet, Yeah, toxic was an exaggeration. And the problems on it were mainly caused by the lack of moderation then most of the users.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 24, 2017 12:39:27 GMT
people outside of the BSN largely regarded it as one of the most toxic places on the internet People that honestly think that probably don't really know the internet, Of course there's always a worse place on the internet, but it's a reputation that the BSN had all the same. Perhaps it would've served my point better to say that it was regarded as one of the most toxic gaming communities on the internet. Hell, I remember reading a whole discussion on one the Bioware related subreddits that was full of people talking about joining the BSN and eventually leaving due to the nature of the forums. It was shut down for a reason, folks.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
I didn't mean he'd say something negative about the game. I just don't think his reasoning to be positive is (just) so that he'll continue to have access to inside info. It might be part of the reason, but another part is his opinions on Bioware games.
As I said before, I'm not going to have my opinion of the game being influenced by his in any case.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 24, 2017 12:45:39 GMT
People that honestly think that probably don't really know the internet, Of course there's always a worse place on the internet, but it's a reputation that the BSN had all the same. Perhaps it would've served my point better to say that it was regarded as one of the most toxic gaming communities on the internet. Hell, I remember reading a whole discussion on one the Bioware related subreddits that was full of people talking about joining the BSN and eventually leaving due to the nature of the forums. It was shut down for a reason, folks. It if was shut down for toxicity, it'd have been shut down long before it was, since the situation when BSN ended was by far not the worst I saw. And they wouldn't have shown a liking of this forum, as devs shown from August to now.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 24, 2017 12:52:05 GMT
There are plenty of worse places on the internet But BSN at the time of the ME3 endings was pretty bad. The last forum had a mini-blowout at the time of the DAI key-glitch, and there was 'Crestwood-gate' and 'Cassandra looks like a Man', sure BSN has a reputation... The way I'm reading Shibobi is as a reassurance that the lack of information does not mean it sucks, it's just marketing. Time will tell if that's right. What I'd like to see is one multiplayer match on an 'early-game' map, on the equivalent of Lolbronze. Recorded complete from Lobby screen to success screen, run by a half-competent dev player, with no edits. A twitch of that would be just fine. That will answer any questions I can reasonably have for now because I don't need the story and characters spoilt to death, honestly.
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