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Post by colfoley on Jan 26, 2017 23:26:59 GMT
As to the stupidity of the initial decision: I'd say that there's still a dearth of information to decide on that. Maybe the Tempest was meant to be accompanied by some sort of gunship; but then with the Nexus malfunction, they found themselves all on their own, etc. etc. I agree that it sounds preposterous. But so does the main premise of the game. Scout ship (and the way the Pathfinder's been described) tends to imply a solo mission for the ship. And really, if people argue "but the Tempest could totally stealth guys and a weapons would detract from that!" then I would think a whole other gunship hanging out would be more counterintuitive than slapping a gat on the hull. I don't think the main premise sounds preposterous, I think it's just what the doctor ordered in both continuing the series and moving past the endings debachle. Under specific circumstances (read: Reapers and Sovereign parts) there is motivation and it can be done in-universe. And it offers a lot of great opportunities to do some neat stuff. Sadly none of that seems like it's being taken advantage of right now. Well again, from my own sensibilities and the logic I'd use in the situation (and Crutch to) the idea is stupid because I make the assumption from watching things like Trek that even the most well meaning explorers could run into things like Klingons and Borg or Goa'uld which could want for nothing but to tear down your entire world. But the Andromeda Iniative founders are operating under an entirely different series of logical assumptions/ norms. So to them, not arming the Tempest makes perfect sense. And if I had their logical viewpoint I'd agree with them. But since I don't... Also might I point out that Andromeda won't be the first fully successful science fiction franchise which did not have weapons on their main means of transportation and the ship in question did just fine despite being in combat on numerous occasions. In point of fact both of these things defenses relied on what we have been talking about here, running away, or being stealthy. (See Moya from Farscape and Serenity from Firefly). Yeah we'd be going in space with the assumptions that aliens are an unknown, unproven and possibly non-existent possibility, whereas Mass Effect people both know there can be aliens and have fought them before. If anything we'd be less likely to take guns into space, or at least we'd have a degree of improvisation/multiuse to ours (like a mining laser that can also be turned on a threat if need be) And the no weapons thing stuck out and bothered me in Firefly as well. But there they did have an excuse and there is where your laws argument would actually work. Mounting guns on Serenity would problably draw more Alliance attention than anyone on board's comfortable with. But the differences are as obvious as they are numerous: small crew vs giant project, closed local system vs whole new galaxy (yes I know we're only in the Helius cluster but still, they're going to a whole new galaxy), direct and opressive legal oversight vs no law but themselves, some support systems and chance for aid vs practically zero of the same. Need I go on? We know the AI has arms. Both in terms of fighters and small arms. So, with that in mind, the Tempest is in pretty much the same situation as the Serenity, small ship, small crew. Relies on speed and stealth to get out of harms way.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 26, 2017 23:27:11 GMT
"...when the power goes out and stays out..."
Damn.
Someone missed making a big buck by selling hot cutting edge technology known as "solar panels" to the AI...
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 26, 2017 23:29:43 GMT
That's a bit simplistic and you know it. That was the point, it was a simplistic answer to a very simplicity statement. No, not really. Following the trends of the masses does not make you more masculine or feminine, it simply makes you a conformist. If you have an extremely muscular dude with long blond hair who is 7 ft tall and carries a viking axe around you'd have to call him un-masculine/feminine because he does not even closely resemble the average male nowadays. Having a slight beer belly, dark hair and an unfit body is masculine because that is what the average male human looks like today. ( Now telling him that would surely make him slaughter your family with his axe while drinking blood out of your twitching carcass, but this isn't manly either, no man does that this day and age. ) Bottom line is, fashion trends like hair have only little to do with femininity and masculinity. Thats why sex changes include serious hormone therapies and surgeries. Hormonal imbalances is what makes men look feminine and women masculine, just look at female bodybuilders - they can sport the longest hair in the world and tons of makeup and they seriously look like dudes because of the steroids.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 26, 2017 23:43:38 GMT
If I get a chance to dig through the topic, I may have some more pointed commentary to make in response, but for now I just want to say in response to the trailer itself:
Welp. My hyped jumped up about 1000%. Can it be March yet?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 26, 2017 23:44:48 GMT
We know the AI has arms. Both in terms of fighters and small arms. So, with that in mind, the Tempest is in pretty much the same situation as the Serenity, small ship, small crew. Relies on speed and stealth to get out of harms way. Except it isn't. It's not hiding from an oppresive super-authorian state, it doesn't house any persons of interest for said state, and it's a long way from a closed system with support structures it calls home. Every reason to be armed instead of the opposite. No, not really. Following the trends of the masses does not make you more masculine or feminine, it simply makes you a conformist. Did I say it did? You're kind of going off track here. I said short unstyled hair is a masculine cut. I never said the net effect of anyone wearing one is masculine.
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Post by ProbeAway on Jan 26, 2017 23:44:57 GMT
So many complaints about Cora - manly, crap hair, weird looking... I find each and every one of them bizarre TBH. I am... *cough* I mean, my Ryder is in love. Ima just drop this here so we all get to look at Her Coraness a bit more:
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 26, 2017 23:45:52 GMT
Damn, I took a quick nap and then this. Y'all need some love.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 26, 2017 23:50:09 GMT
I may wind up playing a male character for the first time in a Mass Effect game because of Cora.
Or Vetra. Probably Vetra.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 26, 2017 23:52:04 GMT
Did I say it did? You're kind of going off track here. I said short unstyled hair is a masculine cut. I never said the net effect of anyone wearing one is masculine. You said: And I replied that, in a nutshell, following, or not following the fashion trends of the masses - Haircuts - has no impact on your masculinity or femininity. As a woman, having a short haircut does not make you masculine simply because the majority of men have short haircuts. So many complaints about Cora - manly, crap hair, weird looking... I find each and every one of them bizarre TBH. I am... *cough* I mean, my Ryder is in love. Ima just drop this here so we all get to look at Her Coraness a bit more: She looks cheeky. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 26, 2017 23:55:30 GMT
Yay, another thread hijacked by an argument that has been going on in circles since forever! And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way. I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here.
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Post by felipejiraya on Jan 26, 2017 23:56:47 GMT
Just watched the trailer, it was nice.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 23:57:54 GMT
Yay, another thread hijacked by an argument that has been going on in circles since forever! And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way. I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here. I thought he'd reside in the Tempest, not Hyperion.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 26, 2017 23:58:07 GMT
Did I say it did? You're kind of going off track here. I said short unstyled hair is a masculine cut. I never said the net effect of anyone wearing one is masculine. You said: And I replied that, in a nutshell, following, or not following the fashion trends of the masses - Haircuts - has no impact on your masculinity or femininity. As a woman, having a short haircut does not make you masculine simply because the majority of men have short haircuts. Yes the association of numbers: many dudes have short unstyled hair, many women have longer styled hair. Therefore short unstyled =manly cut, longer styled= feminine cut. Now show me how you go from that to "x or y is masculine/feminine because of haircut". It's one factor of many. One some people yes, it does make or break it. On others not so much. It depends on the individual assortment of features.
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Post by slimgrin on Jan 26, 2017 23:58:38 GMT
Everything was good in the trailer except Bioware cliche baddie confirmed, Michael Bay dialog and Cora's craptastic hair. Yes, Im gonna bitch about the hair until Bioware gets off this femme-butch kick. God forbid they make a character good looking AND feminine. Loved the smexy new aliens. Great character/art design overall.
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Post by kumazan on Jan 27, 2017 0:00:24 GMT
Yay, another thread hijacked by an argument that has been going on in circles since forever! And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way.I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here. We were using a QEC in ME2 before the departure of the AI.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 0:00:35 GMT
And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way. I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here. I thought he'd reside in the Tempest, not Hyperion. Not from the trailer, it doesn't: it is the Hyperion AI. I thought that too, considering ME2&3... and it would have been quite logical. Apparently, I assumed too smart.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 0:01:18 GMT
Everything was good in the trailer except Bioware cliche baddie confirmed, Michael Bay dialog and Cora's craptastic hair. Yes, Im gonna bitch about the hair until Bioware gets off this femme-butch kick. God forbid they make a character good looking AND feminine. Loved the smexy new aliens. Great character/art design overall. I disagree on hairs alone making a woman unfeminine or butch, but fair enough.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 0:02:42 GMT
I thought he'd reside in the Tempest, not Hyperion. Not from the trailer, it doesn't: it is the Hyperion AI. I thought that too, considering ME2&3... and it would have been quite logical. Apparently, I assumed too smart. If it's about the location of SAM in the bio, the whole team is stationed on Hyperion. Maybe it can be moved to the Tempest.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 27, 2017 0:03:50 GMT
Yay, another thread hijacked by an argument that has been going on in circles since forever! And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way. I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here. We know that interstellar communcations over vast distances have been possible in the ME universe. Frankly its a rather ignorant assumption to assume that the AI is not connected to each other via quantum entanglement things. But even if you are right Mass Effect has never really taken itself too seriously on scientific fidelity. A lot of it has been sci fantasy forced techno babble explanations of a Trek or a....Trek. One of the reasons why the Tempest having weapons does not really bother me too much.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 27, 2017 0:05:25 GMT
Everything was good in the trailer except Bioware cliche baddie confirmed, Michael Bay dialog and Cora's craptastic hair. Yes, Im gonna bitch about the hair until Bioware gets off this femme-butch kick. God forbid they make a character good looking AND feminine. Loved the smexy new aliens. Great character/art design overall. Actually they could give these characters to the lesbians player base, I really do not mind. Joking aside I think this is a recent thing, there is only Cassandra and now Cora, actually Lana Beniko is recent too and it is your typical "fem beauty" whatever that even means.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 27, 2017 0:06:40 GMT
Not from the trailer, it doesn't: it is the Hyperion AI. I thought that too, considering ME2&3... and it would have been quite logical. Apparently, I assumed too smart. If it's about the location of SAM in the bio, the whole team is stationed on Hyperion. Maybe it can be moved to the Tempest. More likely we can take a small copy of the program with us in the field but then the main hub/ anyalisis part is back on the Hyperion.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 27, 2017 0:08:10 GMT
Are we seriously complaining about Cora's hair length? (disgusted noise) She is in the military FCOL, not only in the military but her bio indicates that she was Special Forces at some point. Those types of people are expected/ required/ feel comfortable in shorter hair styles.
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Post by Infiltratom on Jan 27, 2017 0:08:12 GMT
Oh the nit-picking of any minuscule details that are disliked or disagreed with. I'll just say I enjoyed the trailer, mainly it has provided just enough detail and dialogue to show what I hope to be a great space opera story. The characters certainly look interesting to get to know, really can't decide between Scott/Sara as in which to play as first.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 0:09:38 GMT
And in the meantime, they gave us another quite as evident: now that we know that SAM is embedded in our skulls, but resides on the Hyperion, they hanged themselves. How exactly would it be possible to share real time feedback with the AI when we’re light years apart from the Hyperion? This, without access to FTL communication I mean, and we lack both a comm buoys system and a quantic communicator: the former is only viable with portals to “accelerate” information along a mass free corridor, the latter was invented after the departure of the AI from the Milky Way.I suppose “Remnant nanomachine” will be (ab)used to cover up a lot of holes in Andromeda… Getting more and more concerned here. We were using a QEC in ME2 before the departure of the AI. In ME2, the only QEC was on board the SR2. Only with ME3 it becomes a somehow widespread tech, but still it was the stuff that very few could afford (not even Liara had one as her Shadow Broker persona). And even so, it has been stated in universe every QEC works only point to point and it costs a metric ton of credits. We have the means and money to connect 7 squad members, but not the money to arm the Nomad? Or, better yet, we prefer to create a “quantum what’s up group”, but leave the rest of the AI unwired, losing half our fleet and strand ourselves in the vast unknown of the Helios cluster with no mean to ask for help on a secure channel? And let’s not talk about leaving for Andromeda without a mean to contact the Milky way at this point…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 0:13:34 GMT
Everything was good in the trailer except Bioware cliche baddie confirmed, Michael Bay dialog and Cora's craptastic hair. Yes, Im gonna bitch about the hair until Bioware gets off this femme-butch kick. God forbid they make a character good looking AND feminine. Loved the smexy new aliens. Great character/art design overall. I think the largest reason for the short hairstyle is animation because let's be honest, Bioware doesn't have the best hair animation. If she had long hair it would just be clipping everywhere. As for the baddie I agree. I got a Corypheus vibe, and I hope that is definitely not the case and that the cliche lines were just because it's a trailer. If we only get to see the baddie 3 times and the only interaction is just cliche "You will not win" type dialogue, I will be highly disappointed, but they said that they took notes from Inquisition to see what people liked and not liked about it so here's hoping for an interesting story that will keep people awake.
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