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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
Something to consider: EDI was created using the rogue AI from Luna and Reaper tech, as well as Cerberus' vast ressources and cutting-edge technology. Are we supposed to believe that Alec Ryder just built an arguably superior AI by himself without any Reaper technology? Because going to Andromeda wasn't a high risk mission already... Kett on the front, Reaper AI behind (and inside), a black hole on my left and a fiend on my right. Situation excellent, I intend to attack...
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Post by helios969 on Jan 27, 2017 20:50:49 GMT
Something to consider: EDI was created using the rogue AI from Luna and Reaper tech, as well as Cerberus' vast ressources and cutting-edge technology. Are we supposed to believe that Alec Ryder just built an arguably superior AI by himself without any Reaper technology? SAM to Ryder: Assuming Direct Control.
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Jan 27, 2017 20:57:37 GMT
Don't you guys think we should trust Papa Ryder a little more than that? This is a new kind of hysteria. Like seriously, let's find out more about SAM before we accuse bioware of pushing any kind of agenda okay?
So far, we know that Papa Ryder is the mind behind SAM and that the Pathfinders have access to the AI. We all had to wait till EDI was unshackled till we found out more about her right? SAM is trusted by Papa Ryder and if you think about it a certain way, is extended family. SAM is alive people. Just like us. And has probably learned about the world through Alec. So seriously. let's withhold judgement till we meet SAM.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 20:59:46 GMT
Don't you guys think we should trust Papa Ryder a little more than that? This is a new kind of hysteria. Like seriously, let's find out more about SAM before we accuse bioware of pushing any kind of agenda okay? So far, we know that Papa Ryder is the mind behind SAM and that the Pathfinders have access to the AI. We all had to wait till EDI was unshackled till we found out more about her right? SAM is trusted by Papa Ryder and if you think about it a certain way, is extended family. SAM is alive people. Just like us. And has probably learned about the world through Alec. So seriously. let's withhold judgement till we meet SAM.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
Lessee… 1) We have an AI, sapient constructs that we know are banned in the Milky way for reasons. The vast majority of which boil down to the Geth. For the “all green” to an attempt to program AI; you need to receive express permission from the Council itself (and at this point I really doubt Dadryder received his). It’s the reason why very few multinationals create AI in universe, and even than it’s a time-consuming painstaking kind of a job, prone to failure. Even then, blue box (quantum computers) are the only safety measure we have to prevent potential disaster to… I dunno, level a planet? This is because once “born” in a blue box, the AI can’t be separated anymore from the hardware, at least if we don’t receive a retcon on this. 2) AI without blue box are universally considered bad: Geth are the most appaling example of AI without this limitation. Let’s ask how it worked out for the Quarian… o right, not very good. 3) AI able to interface directly with human bodies and brains could take over with little to no problem. It’s not a given, of course, but the danger it’s there: when organic and synthetic are interconnected as one mind (or two sharing minds), where do “we” really end, and where the AI begins? In fact, we could think of being BroRyder or SysRyder when instead we’re just the AI make believe. We could even be all deceased during the 600 years long trip, and SAM is now using our bodies to uphold the mission, feeding bullshit to our reanimated corpses to make the transition less distressing for our meat. 4) Do we still remember the last merge of AI and organic in universe? To me, it didn’t work very well, but maybe it’s just me… I'll be right here, listening to you: MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Jan 27, 2017 21:19:09 GMT
Again, we don't know SAM. we know we can't trust the GETH. OR THE REAPERS. We know Alec Ryder created SAM. I like to think Alec would treat something he created reasonably well, or i'd have issues with his parenting skills. Let's meet the AI in question first people. Then figure out where we stand on it. [/b]
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Post by Wulfram on Jan 27, 2017 21:29:30 GMT
Don't you guys think we should trust Papa Ryder a little more than that? This is a new kind of hysteria. Like seriously, let's find out more about SAM before we accuse bioware of pushing any kind of agenda okay? So far, we know that Papa Ryder is the mind behind SAM and that the Pathfinders have access to the AI. We all had to wait till EDI was unshackled till we found out more about her right? SAM is trusted by Papa Ryder and if you think about it a certain way, is extended family. SAM is alive people. Just like us. And has probably learned about the world through Alec. So seriously. let's withhold judgement till we meet SAM. Its because SAM is a person that I'd rather not have them poking around in my head. If they were just a non-sentient machine then it wouldn't be such a problem, as long as I trusted the programmer I certainly wouldn't want my actual family poking around my head
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Jan 27, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 27, 2017 21:33:28 GMT
Lessee… 1) We have an AI, sapient constructs that we know are banned in the Milky way for reasons. The vast majority of which boil down to the Geth. For the “all green” to an attempt to program AI; you need to receive express permission from the Council itself. It’s the reason why very few multinationals create AI in universe, and even than it’s a time-consuming painstaking kind of a job, prone to failure. Even then, blue box (quantum computers) are the only safety measure we have to prevent potential disaster to… I dunno, level a planet? This is because once “born” in a blue box, the AI can’t be separated anymore from the hardware, at least if we don’t receive a retcon on this. 2) AI without blue box are universally considered bad: Geth are the most appaling example of AI without this limitation. Let’s ask how it worked out for the Quarian… o right, not very good. 3) AI able to interface directly with human bodies and brains could take over with little to no problem. It’s not a given, of course, but the danger it’s there: when organic and synthetic are interconnected as one mind (or two sharing minds), where do “we” really end, and where the AI begins? In fact, we could think of being BroRyder or SysRyder when instead we’re just the AI make believe. We could even be all deceased during the 600 years long trip, and SAM is now using our bodies to uphold the mission, feeding bullshit to our reanimated corpses to make the transition less distressing for our meat. 4) Do we still remember the last merge of AI and organic in universe? To me, it didn’t work very well, but maybe it’s just me… Ok, but to be fair. 1. We're not in the Milky Way anymore. So... fuck'em? 2. Yes but we (the audience) know how "bad" the geth really are- actually not bad at all, provided you're not trying to exterminate them. If someone in-universe got the idea to build AIs anyway they could potentially learn they're not the boogeyman everyone says. Although if AIs like this are aboard every Ark it does really decrese the chances of geth themselves fulfilling that role. That's a little unfortunate. 3. You got it that's not a given. And it might make for an interesting story regardless. 4. Totally not the same thing. An autisic kid hooked into a (quite likely hostile) geth consensus vs several fully functional adults with a simple implant communicating with an AI designed to help out.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 21:37:27 GMT
Again, we don't know SAM. we know we can't trust the GETH. OR THE REAPERS. We know Alec Ryder created SAM. I like to think Alec would treat something he created reasonably well, or i'd have issues with his parenting skills. Let's meet the AI in question first people. Then figure out where we stand on it. [/b][/quote] True that, although I don’t know a screw in the eye either, and I’m not really that interested, if I may say so. I’m merely pointing out what a terrible idea it is to plug an AI directly to the brain of anyone and how doesn’t bode particularly well for our mission in Andromeda: SAM can be an asset, true, but an overcomplicated asset with more malus than bonus to carry around, and a dangerous unknown quantity in a place we’re not very welcome. The reasons why I don’t like SAM to be plugged with us as players, are the same why I refuse synthesis and control ending in ME3: we are not yet ready to expand our consciences beyond electro-chemistry transmission (and the trilogy showed it more than once). We are flawed, very much so, and we can’t conceive a universe too vast, and not even for what really is. Only until we’re limited we can manage our flaws in a positive way. Otherwise, it would be like giving nukes to tiny and small minded bullies. What gives? An irresolvable situation where believable conclusions are only 3: 1) The meat win, and we lose forever the illusion of control and order that makes us sleep so well every night. The Universe is chaos, and everything is senseless. 2) The circuit win, and the chaos of the organic is destroyed, not because it’s harmful, but because it is unaccountable to the program. In short, we lose a big chunk of what we are in the name of program 3) We destroy each other utterly. We are not ready, painful truth I know, and I don’t know if we’ll ever be. Even then, it can only be a process you’ve to explicitly agree to be part of. It seems… trivial to create something like this, with this terrible potential for misuse and progress, and using it to give a fancy comm device to the Initiative
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Post by Cirvante on Jan 27, 2017 21:42:12 GMT
Something to consider: EDI was created using the rogue AI from Luna and Reaper tech, as well as Cerberus' vast ressources and cutting-edge technology. Are we supposed to believe that Alec Ryder just built an arguably superior AI by himself without any Reaper technology? SAM to Ryder: Assuming Direct Control. Reminds me of this:
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 21:46:52 GMT
Lessee… 1) We have an AI, sapient constructs that we know are banned in the Milky way for reasons. The vast majority of which boil down to the Geth. For the “all green” to an attempt to program AI; you need to receive express permission from the Council itself. It’s the reason why very few multinationals create AI in universe, and even than it’s a time-consuming painstaking kind of a job, prone to failure. Even then, blue box (quantum computers) are the only safety measure we have to prevent potential disaster to… I dunno, level a planet? This is because once “born” in a blue box, the AI can’t be separated anymore from the hardware, at least if we don’t receive a retcon on this. 2) AI without blue box are universally considered bad: Geth are the most appaling example of AI without this limitation. Let’s ask how it worked out for the Quarian… o right, not very good. 3) AI able to interface directly with human bodies and brains could take over with little to no problem. It’s not a given, of course, but the danger it’s there: when organic and synthetic are interconnected as one mind (or two sharing minds), where do “we” really end, and where the AI begins? In fact, we could think of being BroRyder or SysRyder when instead we’re just the AI make believe. We could even be all deceased during the 600 years long trip, and SAM is now using our bodies to uphold the mission, feeding bullshit to our reanimated corpses to make the transition less distressing for our meat. 4) Do we still remember the last merge of AI and organic in universe? To me, it didn’t work very well, but maybe it’s just me… Ok, but to be fair. 1. We're not in the Milky Way anymore. So... fuck'em? 2. Yes but we (the audience) know how "bad" the geth really are- actually not bad at all, provided you're not trying to exterminate them. If someone in-universe got the idea to build AIs anyway they could potentially learn they're not the boogeyman everyone says. Although if AIs like this are aboard every Ark it does really decrese the chances of geth themselves fulfilling that role. That's a little unfortunate. 3. You got it that's not a given. And it might make for an interesting story regardless. 4. Totally not the same thing. An autisic kid hooked into a (quite likely hostile) geth consensus vs several fully functional adults with a simple implant communicating with an AI designed to help out. A simple implant able to influence the chemistry of our brain, and to feed thoughts like were our very own... Yikes? And while we’re in Andromeda, we started from the Milky Way, soo… Dadryder stove SAM as a clandestine for all the trip? Just to plug all the Tempest squad when in Andromeda, son and daughter included? Such a great leader… now I suppose we know what will happen to him. Also we are departing from the Milky Way right after the Geth attack to the Citadel… so the AI paranoia is more rampant than ever. I rest my case: jury is out until launch but I believe potentially AI mind rape wasn’t in the Andromeda Initiative brochure given at orientation.
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Jan 27, 2017 21:53:12 GMT
Clearly we'll have differing opinions on giving SAM the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to talk to the guy in game and decide how I feel about him. It should be noted that by no means do I trust him blindly, but I'm willing to meet him.
I gave legion the benefit of the doubt after all. And am very glad I did.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 21:55:27 GMT
Clearly we'll have differing opinions on giving SAM the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to talk to the guy in game and decide how I feel about him. It should be noted that by no means do I trust him blindly, but I'm willing to meet him. I gave legion the benefit of the doubt after all. And am very glad I did. Same here, and especially because Legion couldn't even plug to EDI... which was a quite reassuring thing all in itself.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
Now call it whining, call it trolling, call it what you want but I need to get something out of my system. So far I've actually been excited about the new Mass Effect game. They made a lot of right decisions with it so far in my eyes. Making a story about exploring and colonizing new worlds? Wonderful, that's what I wanted from ME in the first place. Bringing the Mako back? Awesome, loved it. Getting rid of a morality system? Perfect, I had a lot of problems with Bioware's idea of right and wrong. Now with just one decision Bioware crushed all my excitement. S.A.M. the AI. "From his node in the Ark, SAM receives a direct feed of the Pathfinder's sensory input via a neural implant. It sees and feels as Ryder does...". Here's my interpretation of why SAM has access to Ryder's sensory input. One, it can use that sensory input to analyze the environment and decide if its's safe or maybe even an ideal location for a settlement. Additionally, SAM will be able to tell if Ryder is suffering in some way. I don't think it's trying to say SAM is going to act like Ryder, just that it has access to sensory data.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2017 22:06:41 GMT
It's an AI in the ME universe. What do we know about that so far, especially AI's implanted in organics in any form? Zha'til, Overlord, you name it. What "Organic and inorganic blended together" would be, is open for interpretation, and honestly for me it's enough to know it collects data about me to say I wouldn't want that thing in my body. Honestly, I have an app on my phone that lets me input the foods I consume, track how much walking I do and check my heart rate. What SAM will be doing is a step up from that and probably just a few years away from being a reality. It's fine if you don't care for it. I don't see this as trolling but perhaps you're open to seeing what others think of it come March 21st before making a final decision?
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 22:06:49 GMT
Now call it whining, call it trolling, call it what you want but I need to get something out of my system. So far I've actually been excited about the new Mass Effect game. They made a lot of right decisions with it so far in my eyes. Making a story about exploring and colonizing new worlds? Wonderful, that's what I wanted from ME in the first place. Bringing the Mako back? Awesome, loved it. Getting rid of a morality system? Perfect, I had a lot of problems with Bioware's idea of right and wrong. Now with just one decision Bioware crushed all my excitement. S.A.M. the AI. "From his node in the Ark, SAM receives a direct feed of the Pathfinder's sensory input via a neural implant. It sees and feels as Ryder does...". Here's my interpretation of why SAM has access to Ryder's sensory input. One, it can use that sensory input to analyze the environment and decide if its's safe or maybe even an ideal location for a settlement. Additionally, SAM will be able to tell if Ryder is suffering in some way. I don't think it's trying to say SAM is going to act like Ryder, just that it has access to sensory data. Data feed from the armour would have served the same purpose better: we know that in universe military armours have VI complexes that monitor metabolic level to best protect the wearer, among other things. So it appears just an overcomplicated piece of hardware-plot to steer the story. Please note that anyway I’ve little problem with this kind of sensory reading, one way or another. It’s only when an AI, able to force feed thoughts like they were mine, is plugged to my brain that the level of shit raises to “uncomfortable” for me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
I'll be right here, listening to you: MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP! You mean the merger with TWO unwilling participants (geth and David)? I'm sorry, but I don't think cables shoved down your throat are the same as an implant that reads your sensory data. Right now, today, there is technology to allow a person to ingest technology into their bodies and the purpose is typically for medical sensory data. To be honest, whatever we see in the ME universe will likely be out of date by the time we reach 2185 (the time when AI left). Several tech companies have jumped on to a new AI initiative (Mircrosoft, Uber, IBM, Apple, Facebook, Google, Skype, SalesForce, and Shell). This stuff is happening in the real world. Why should it not be reflected in our science fiction games?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2017 22:26:41 GMT
Here's my interpretation of why SAM has access to Ryder's sensory input. One, it can use that sensory input to analyze the environment and decide if its's safe or maybe even an ideal location for a settlement. Additionally, SAM will be able to tell if Ryder is suffering in some way. I don't think it's trying to say SAM is going to act like Ryder, just that it has access to sensory data. Data feed from the armour would have served the same purpose better: we know that in universe military armours have VI complexes that monitor metabolic level to best protect the wearer, among other things. So it appears just an overcomplicated piece of hardware-plot to steer the story. Please note that anyway I’ve little problem with this kind of sensory reading, one way or another. It’s only when an AI, able to force feed thoughts like they were mine, is plugged to my brain that the level of shit raises to “uncomfortable” for me. Here's my guess on the subject. Possible spoilers. MomRyder is absent. DadRyder created SAM. SAM has a "MomRyder" personality matrix. The only ones who have the SAM implant are Alec and the Ryder twin pathfinder of your choice. More than likely they're not going to object.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 27, 2017 22:30:01 GMT
A simple implant able to influence the chemistry of our brain, and to feed thoughts like were our very own... Yikes? And while we’re in Andromeda, we started from the Milky Way, soo… Dadryder stove SAM as a clandestine for all the trip? Just to plug all the Tempest squad when in Andromeda, son and daughter included? Such a great leader… now I suppose we know what will happen to him. Also we are departing from the Milky Way right after the Geth attack to the Citadel… so the AI paranoia is more rampant than ever. I rest my case: jury is out until launch but I believe potentially AI mind rape wasn’t in the Andromeda Initiative brochure given at orientation. I'm sure there's failsafes to keep it read-only. Well, no I guess I'm not sure given they think it's a good idea to not arm their vehicles. But ideally, I'd be sure. I am also fairly sure everyone has consented to the implants and it's not "surprise AI in your brain!" Good point about the geth. Maybe some did come out after all and assure us. "We're cool guys, those other dicks believed in 31.2 we believe in 31.3! Let's be friends!"
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 22:30:53 GMT
I'll be right here, listening to you: MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP!MAKEITSTOP! You mean the merger with TWO unwilling participants (geth and David)? I'm sorry, but I don't think cables shoved down your throat are the same as an implant that reads your sensory data. Right now, today, there is technology to allow a person to ingest technology into their bodies and the purpose is typically for medical sensory data. To be honest, whatever we see in the ME universe will likely be out of date by the time we reach 2185 (the time when AI left). Several tech companies have jumped on to a new AI initiative (Mircrosoft, Uber, IBM, Apple, Facebook, Google, Skype, SalesForce, and Shell). This stuff is happening in the real world. Why should it not be reflected in our science fiction games? Again, I've no problem when willingly AI and organic share information over FTL channel. It's when an AI able to feed thoughts like they were yours is plugged to a brain that I become concerned. Do "we" still exist at that point? Or the AI is thinking for ourselves? Together we're stronger ok, but this seems a little too much like tech possession to be something I would like to participate into. And until we organic don't become a lot more evolved, I would keep us and AI separated. The potential for organic misuse far outweighs the possible advantage (if there are any).
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Post by Wheeljack on Jan 27, 2017 22:33:01 GMT
Plot twist: SAM is based on/is a geth.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 22:35:18 GMT
Data feed from the armour would have served the same purpose better: we know that in universe military armours have VI complexes that monitor metabolic level to best protect the wearer, among other things. So it appears just an overcomplicated piece of hardware-plot to steer the story. Please note that anyway I’ve little problem with this kind of sensory reading, one way or another. It’s only when an AI, able to force feed thoughts like they were mine, is plugged to my brain that the level of shit raises to “uncomfortable” for me. Here's my guess on the subject. Possible spoilers. MomRyder is absent. DadRyder created SAM. SAM has a "MomRyder" personality matrix. The only ones who have the SAM implant are Alec and the Ryder twin pathfinder of your choice. More than likely they're not going to object. Actually, it seems SAM is plugged with the whole team. And plugging an AI with the personality Matrix of a possibly deceased human woman to aliens like Drack seems such a good idea…
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2017 22:39:47 GMT
Again, I've no problem when willingly AI and organic share information over FTL channel. It's when an AI able to feed thoughts like they were yours is plugged to a brain that I become concerned. Do "we" still exist at that point? Or the AI is thinking for ourselves? Together we're stronger ok, but this seems a little too much like tech possession to be something I would like to participate into. And until we organic don't become a lot more evolved, I would keep us and AI separated. The potential for organic misuse far outweighs the possible advantage (if there are any). It's just advanced spyware.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 27, 2017 22:44:23 GMT
Again, I've no problem when willingly AI and organic share information over FTL channel. It's when an AI able to feed thoughts like they were yours is plugged to a brain that I become concerned. Do "we" still exist at that point? Or the AI is thinking for ourselves? Together we're stronger ok, but this seems a little too much like tech possession to be something I would like to participate into. And until we organic don't become a lot more evolved, I would keep us and AI separated. The potential for organic misuse far outweighs the possible advantage (if there are any). It's just advanced spyware. I suppose the Zha and the Quarian said the same...
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