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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 8:40:49 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance.
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Post by feainn on Feb 27, 2017 9:14:45 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus.
I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T...
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Post by Kian on Feb 27, 2017 9:41:42 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance. I certainly enjoyed the freedom to go sexy-time with all the guys (or almost all) in F4, but the thing is that's really not a good example of how things should be lol. I enjoyed Macready's romance, yes, but omg, every conversation with him, including our "ROMANCE DIALOGUE" (so to speak) was about HIS WIFE or MY WIFE... Like wtf man. I mean the whole premise of the game is bs for me, with them forcing your character to be hetero (or you can squeeze in a bi headcannon, whoopty doo) at the start of the game, and with making sure it's clear there is no "gay option" by erasing the Black Widow and Confirmed Bachelor perks. So yeah, I hope Bioware is not headed that way. For me, while Dorian's romance had its issues, it's still superior to... well almost everything else available. Starting with the fact that he is gay (I'm so tired of the "I was str8 until I met you" stupid trope or the "we're all people labels don't matter" ridiculous nonsense and other tropes), going through the fact the world sees and acknowledges your relationship with him (though I would have liked a little less "deal with homophobia" and a little more "scandalous cuz other reasons" but oh well) and ending with the fact that you're actually establishing an emotional connection with him, as opposed to "hey, let's bang" (though this is mostly due to Gaider being an amazing writer). Besides that I geniunely loved the character and the romance and always thought that a lot of the "his story is too preachy" was just your average bs excuse some people use to mask what they really want to say. I mean sure, there's some possible validity to that debate, but I think most people who take that stance don't do so because they actually care, but simply because what they really want to say would be generally frowned upon.
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Post by Joey on Feb 27, 2017 9:59:12 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance. Exactly, my thoughts! No matter how many cutscenes I've got with Dorian, his lack of ability to express his feelings and the fact that he's constantly trying to hide them behind his snark was something that always left me disappointed and frustrated after every. single. interaction. with him. One simple line from Macready made me happier than entire Dorian's romance arc. BTW it's weird that Gaider, gay himself, decided to make the most important and personal character for him... a stereotype.
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Post by Panda on Feb 27, 2017 10:03:42 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance. I certainly enjoyed the freedom to go sexy-time with all the guys (or almost all) in F4, but the thing is that's really not a good example of how things should be lol. I enjoyed Macready's romance, yes, but omg, every conversation with him, including our "ROMANCE DIALOGUE" (so to speak) was about HIS WIFE or MY WIFE... Like wtf man. I mean the whole premise of the game is bs for me, with them forcing your character to be hetero (or you can squeeze in a bi headcannon, whoopty doo) at the start of the game, and with making sure it's clear there is no "gay option" by erasing the Black Widow and Confirmed Bachelor perks. So yeah, I hope Bioware is not headed that way. For me, while Dorian's romance had its issues, it's still superior to... well almost everything else available. Starting with the fact that he is gay (I'm so tired of the "I was str8 until I met you" stupid trope or the "we're all people labels don't matter" ridiculous nonsense and other tropes), going through the fact the world sees and acknowledges your relationship with him (though I would have liked a little less "deal with homophobia" and a little more "scandalous cuz other reasons" but oh well) and ending with the fact that you're actually establishing an emotional connection with him, as opposed to "hey, let's bang" (though this is mostly due to Gaider being an amazing writer). Besides that I geniunely loved the character and the romance and always thought that a lot of the "his story is too preachy" was just your average bs excuse some people use to mask what they really want to say. I mean sure, there's some possible validity to that debate, but I think most people who take that stance don't do so because they actually care, but simply because what they really want to say would be generally frowned upon. It's same as with Skyrim really (and some other games like Saint Row 4). Although you can romance/marry all options with both genders it's game mechanic that feels pretty shoehorned in when rest of the world building doesn't support it. Everybody seems straight in these games, you don't really see gay couples and same-sex attraction, but for some reasons NPCs are into you no matter your gender. I remember someone saying that it's little better with FO4 though, that some companions show same sex interest outside of PC? I don't remember encountering any cases like that myself though. So in that sense Bioware is lot better, making the actual world more diverse. Especially DAI team, not saying that there wouldn't be improvements to make though. But then they also lack romance mechanic of making all available. I don't personally see playersexuality as something Bioware should go for at all, but if major LIs were bisexuals I wouldn't be against that at all.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 27, 2017 10:17:35 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance. Exactly, my thoughts! No matter how many cutscenes I've got with Dorian, his lack of ability to express his feelings and the fact that he's constantly trying to hide them behind his snark was something that always left me disappointed and frustrated after every. single. interaction. with him. One simple line from Macready made me happier than entire Dorian's romance arc. BTW it's weird that Gaider, gay himself, decided to make the most important and personal character for him... a stereotype. I've noticed that, as a modern young homo, a lot of older gay guys I've interacted with tend to have a much larger fixation on gay culture/gay rights and kind of sticking to stereotypes almost as a point of pride. Which makes sense, I suppose, and may have contributed to the...dated representation we got with Dorian.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 10:38:30 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus. I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T... Ok, *deep breath* I still have a strong feeling that Jaal is romanceable by both Sara and Scott. This doesn't mean he is bi necessarily, as while we as humans may interpret his romantic interest regardless of gender as bisexuality or pansexuality, it may have an entirely different meaning or perception to the angara and Jaal. But to make things simply, yes, I think Jaal will be bi, available for both Sara and Scott. As far as I am concerned, there has really been nothing to say otherwise. Literally. Nothing has been said that literally nips it in the bud. Peebee is obviously available for both Ryder siblings, by mere virtue of her being asari. This should not mean that Vetra and Jaal can't be available for both as well. We know Sara can flirt with Jaal. And recently someone who played the game during the 3 Hour Press Presentation revealed that Jaal is curious about sex with a human. @beautesombre can back me up on that, as we discussed it over in the Jaal thread. I'll say this. I will eat my hat if Jaal isn't bi. I'll also delete my account here (again lol) probably to avoid the backlash of "I told you sos, you got my hopes up for nothing!". But that's my feeling on it. Everything about Jaal suggests to me he was created to be both romanceable (and certainly attractive to) both women and men, Sara and Scott. Plus, anyone that denies the obvious sexual tension in the trailer when Scott and Jaal first meet and lock eyes on one another, is a fool I tell you. Also? I'd love it if there is a lesbian romance in Mass Effect Andromeda that is happy and beautiful, like San Junipero 68.media.tumblr.com/06ea16165fe3c3601995675ed4b38344/tumblr_ofimm9sGet1vgx53mo1_500.gif
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 27, 2017 10:46:42 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus. I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T... Ok, *deep breath* I still have a strong feeling that Jaal is romanceable by both Sara and Scott. This doesn't mean he is bi necessarily, as while we as humans may interpret his romantic interest regardless of gender as bisexuality or pansexuality, it may have an entirely different meaning or perception to the angara and Jaal. But to make things simply, yes, I think Jaal will be bi, available for both Sara and Scott. As far as I am concerned, there has really been nothing to say otherwise. Literally. Nothing has been said that literally nips it in the bud. Peebee is obviously available for both Ryder siblings, by mere virtue of her being asari. This should not mean that Vetra and Jaal can't be available for both as well. We know Sara can flirt with Jaal. And recently someone who played the game during the 3 Hour Press Presentation revealed that Jaal is curious about sex with a human. @beautesombre can back me up on that, as we discussed it over in the Jaal thread. I'll say this. I will eat my hat if Jaal isn't bi. I'll also delete my account here (again lol) probably to avoid the backlash of "I told you sos, you got my hopes up for nothing!". But that's my feeling on it. Everything about Jaal suggests to me he was created to be both romanceable (and certainly attractive to) both women and men, Sara and Scott. Plus, anyone that denies the obvious sexual tension in the trailer when Scott and Jaal first meet and lock eyes on one another, is a fool I tell you. Also? I'd love it if there is a lesbian romance in Mass Effect Andromeda that is happy and beautiful, like San Junipero 68.media.tumblr.com/06ea16165fe3c3601995675ed4b38344/tumblr_ofimm9sGet1vgx53mo1_500.gifI don't think people will be angry at you if it turns out Jaal isn't bi/available to both Ryders. You don't have to delete your account for that, I think.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 27, 2017 10:56:07 GMT
Usually users don't slam each other for being wrong about a pre-release prediction.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 27, 2017 11:10:40 GMT
I guess meaningful content is different for different people, but I'd take Macready's "The day that you told me you loved me was the happiest day of my life" over the bulk of the Dorian romance. Exactly, my thoughts! No matter how many cutscenes I've got with Dorian, his lack of ability to express his feelings and the fact that he's constantly trying to hide them behind his snark was something that always left me disappointed and frustrated after every. single. interaction. with him. One simple line from Macready made me happier than entire Dorian's romance arc. BTW it's weird that Gaider, gay himself, decided to make the most important and personal character for him... a stereotype. Dorian's romance is completely aggravating. First he lays his heart on the table, and says how where he comes from men don't end up in relationships, and that he is likes me so much that it kinda worries him, and is fully expecting to be hurt. And I'm like, '' oh you poor baby, I'm going to treasure you and show you a brand new world! '' But then, the rest of the game he does everything in how power to annoy me and push me away. He is so deathly afraid of rejection that he doesn't want to hope for more with me, he doesn't even want to talk about the future. And then he decides that he should go back to Tevinter, and if I dare to want him to be with me instead, he snarks how I'm using emotional blackmail, when I'm over here all broken hearted and really putting my feelings out there. His half-assed apologies don't sound genuine at all, either. The amount of snark and '' coping with humor '' truly puts me on edge, and I wouldn't have this kind of reaction if I felt true remorse and pain coming from Dorian's side, but no. Dorian is the star, Dorian is the victim, it's all about Dorian, while the Inquisitor is along for the ride and has to deal with any obstacle Dorian throws at him. A lot of the romance feels incredibly one-sided, even though sure, Dorian does love us, but they could've made more effort into showing that vulnerable, '' I can't live without you, I love you '' side of him, but no, it was all snark no romance. And Trespasser... oh man. He throws this huge bomb on us, and yet again, he is hiding behind snark, his apologies don't sound genuine, and we are just supposed to be fine with him making our relationship even more difficult than it already is. And what kills me is that his goal that is driving the two of us apart, is so abstract and massive, and he DARES to say that this long term relationship thing '' is only for a short while '' well you know what, reforming an ENTIRE COUNTRY takes a bit more than a goddamn short while. Yet again, he is just throwing shit at me and I'm suppose to be fine with it. And if I object, he is just going to snark snark snark. He doesn't want me to come with him to Tevinter, either, because he thinks I'll be in danger there and no way would he be fine with that. But he has no qualms going back there, risking his own damn life. I feel like this is yet again Dorian's fear of being heartbroken. He is fine if he is in danger, and he is fine if I have to worry about him dying, he is fine if he ends up dead cuz at least then he wouldn't have to deal with losing me. But if there's a possibility of me dying, oh boy, we can't have that cuz then Dorian would have to deal with emotional trauma. And why I think this is the case, is when before you enter the Darvaarad, you get banter with romanced Dorian about me possibly dying. He sounds extremely sad and heartbroken, that is good, it was an emotional moment, but then he says '' I knew you'd break my heart, you bloody bastard '' which of course, is coated with snark, but there I feel like there's some truth to it. And besides, yeah Dorian, feel heartbroken, cuz that's what I've been feeling like a good portion of the game while romancing you. Goddang. But maybe this is what Gaider wanted the romance and Dorian to be. Not a happily-ever-after, not particularly healthy.. in which case he did an AMAZING job, I can't blame him for that. I don't think the romance is '' BAD '' but it's definitely not for me. The only way I can deal with Dorian is if I create an older, mature character who sees Dorian's goals as important and cheers him on even if it drives Dorian away from him, because he is an adult and his love for Dorian is strong enough for the two to be a couple despite their goals putting so much distance between them. For me, Dorian is such a good bro. The bestest bro. But Dorian's romance SCREAMS unhealthy to me. You get wonderful character development for Dorian even if you are just his best friend, but if you romance him, I tend to feel like I'm the ball and chain and just holding Dorian back. He definitely holds me and my D back escaping from it like it's his father... I think Dorian shouldn't have been a fully romanceable character in DA:I, but in DA4 instead. This way you get this great character, and you are hype about him, and then the next game you get the romance you've been waiting for, without him pushing you away to focus on his goal. And maybe less sass as well, that would be nice.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 27, 2017 11:25:05 GMT
Not sure if we're still on the topic of FO4 romance, but I did only romance MacCready, how could I not? Gave him the ring and everything. Let's hope Mass Effect also realize we like taking our companions on the battlefield, too.
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Post by feainn on Feb 27, 2017 11:32:10 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus. I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T... Ok, *deep breath* I still have a strong feeling that Jaal is romanceable by both Sara and Scott. This doesn't mean he is bi necessarily, as while we as humans may interpret his romantic interest regardless of gender as bisexuality or pansexuality, it may have an entirely different meaning or perception to the angara and Jaal. But to make things simply, yes, I think Jaal will be bi, available for both Sara and Scott. As far as I am concerned, there has really been nothing to say otherwise. Literally. Nothing has been said that literally nips it in the bud. Peebee is obviously available for both Ryder siblings, by mere virtue of her being asari. This should not mean that Vetra and Jaal can't be available for both as well. We know Sara can flirt with Jaal. And recently someone who played the game during the 3 Hour Press Presentation revealed that Jaal is curious about sex with a human. @beautesombre can back me up on that, as we discussed it over in the Jaal thread. I'll say this. I will eat my hat if Jaal isn't bi. I'll also delete my account here (again lol) probably to avoid the backlash of "I told you sos, you got my hopes up for nothing!". But that's my feeling on it. Everything about Jaal suggests to me he was created to be both romanceable (and certainly attractive to) both women and men, Sara and Scott. Plus, anyone that denies the obvious sexual tension in the trailer when Scott and Jaal first meet and lock eyes on one another, is a fool I tell you. Also? I'd love it if there is a lesbian romance in Mass Effect Andromeda that is happy and beautiful, like San Junipero 68.media.tumblr.com/06ea16165fe3c3601995675ed4b38344/tumblr_ofimm9sGet1vgx53mo1_500.gifI probably should have worded it better I was just being simple by using bi for his "orientation". But yes, I think you're right (or at least I hope) about how the angara/Jaal see sexuality or how they feel towards others. Yep, I know of the confirmations about Sara/Jaal which is good but it still irks me we couldn't get just a simple "yes/no/these are the options". Alas, we know the devs stance on that so I'm just waiting for the datamining or the guide to be released. But omg you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! That sexual tension- I just. I could feel it. And no need to delete your account again Prince we'd miss you! I keep telling myself that seeing as there were no m/m romances with aliens I'm hoping BW decided to rectify that. Among other things that are plausible for Jaal being available to both. I'm gonna give myself hives while trying to stay optimistic!
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Post by Kian on Feb 27, 2017 11:36:35 GMT
I certainly enjoyed the freedom to go sexy-time with all the guys (or almost all) in F4, but the thing is that's really not a good example of how things should be lol. I enjoyed Macready's romance, yes, but omg, every conversation with him, including our "ROMANCE DIALOGUE" (so to speak) was about HIS WIFE or MY WIFE... Like wtf man. I mean the whole premise of the game is bs for me, with them forcing your character to be hetero (or you can squeeze in a bi headcannon, whoopty doo) at the start of the game, and with making sure it's clear there is no "gay option" by erasing the Black Widow and Confirmed Bachelor perks. So yeah, I hope Bioware is not headed that way. For me, while Dorian's romance had its issues, it's still superior to... well almost everything else available. Starting with the fact that he is gay (I'm so tired of the "I was str8 until I met you" stupid trope or the "we're all people labels don't matter" ridiculous nonsense and other tropes), going through the fact the world sees and acknowledges your relationship with him (though I would have liked a little less "deal with homophobia" and a little more "scandalous cuz other reasons" but oh well) and ending with the fact that you're actually establishing an emotional connection with him, as opposed to "hey, let's bang" (though this is mostly due to Gaider being an amazing writer). Besides that I geniunely loved the character and the romance and always thought that a lot of the "his story is too preachy" was just your average bs excuse some people use to mask what they really want to say. I mean sure, there's some possible validity to that debate, but I think most people who take that stance don't do so because they actually care, but simply because what they really want to say would be generally frowned upon. It's same as with Skyrim really (and some other games like Saint Row 4). Although you can romance/marry all options with both genders it's game mechanic that feels pretty shoehorned in when rest of the world building doesn't support it. Everybody seems straight in these games, you don't really see gay couples and same-sex attraction, but for some reasons NPCs are into you no matter your gender. I remember someone saying that it's little better with FO4 though, that some companions show same sex interest outside of PC? I don't remember encountering any cases like that myself though. So in that sense Bioware is lot better, making the actual world more diverse. Especially DAI team, not saying that there wouldn't be improvements to make though. But then they also lack romance mechanic of making all available. I don't personally see playersexuality as something Bioware should go for at all, but if major LIs were bisexuals I wouldn't be against that at all. Yeah exactly. I absolutely agree about Skyrim and Saint Row 4. I've had a great time with both games, but in this regard... meh. As for F4, hmm... I just finished a pt a few weeks ago... but I can't remember noticing any kind of ss interest from any character. Well I was mostly paying attention to male characters so I might have missed one of the female companions showing some ss interest. From a cynical point of view, it can be seen as a way to grab some good will from the lgbt community and its allies, while at the same time making sure not to upset the delicate snowflakes who complain about "icky" stuff like gay characters (male or female), female leads, cast diversity, racial diversity, etc etc. You know, the usual "greatest hits" I'm really hoping this is not what Bioware is doing. This is why I'm so upset and bitter at the moment, with the info we are getting from leaks on one side and the COMPLETE LACK of info from Bioware regarding very specific content, on the other side. And yeah, regarding "playersexual" lis, I've argued for it. It's not the best mechanic, but it would just mean that people would actually get options. It just seems like it would be a decent trade off, at least until things get a little better and we can put behind us all this nonsense with hiding/censoring gay content. Yes it's a cheap way of doing things, but my main argument for it, is that it would be easier to headcannon character X being gay, while you're getting it on with them in game (as in having cutscenes and etc), as opposed to doing the same thing when the option does not exist in game.
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From a cynical point of view, it can be seen as a way to grab some good will from the lgbt community and its allies, while at the same time making sure not to upset the delicate snowflakes who complain about "icky" stuff like gay characters (male or female), female leads, cast diversity, racial diversity, etc etc. You know, the usual "greatest hits" I'm really hoping this is not what Bioware is doing. This is why I'm so upset and bitter at the moment, with the info we are getting from leaks on one side and the COMPLETE LACK of info from Bioware regarding very specific content, on the other side. Being quite a cynic myself, I hope you are aware that that's exactly the attitude - from either "side" - that forces BW to keep info so tight to the chest these days, aren't you? Moreover, in the long run, it might even turn them, and other developers, off from catering to anybody outside the absolute mainstream at all in the future, as it's happening right now with the comics industry. Just saying...
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Post by Crim on Feb 27, 2017 11:56:17 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus. I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T... Ok, *deep breath* I still have a strong feeling that Jaal is romanceable by both Sara and Scott. This doesn't mean he is bi necessarily, as while we as humans may interpret his romantic interest regardless of gender as bisexuality or pansexuality, it may have an entirely different meaning or perception to the angara and Jaal. But to make things simply, yes, I think Jaal will be bi, available for both Sara and Scott. As far as I am concerned, there has really been nothing to say otherwise. Literally. Nothing has been said that literally nips it in the bud. Peebee is obviously available for both Ryder siblings, by mere virtue of her being asari. This should not mean that Vetra and Jaal can't be available for both as well. We know Sara can flirt with Jaal. And recently someone who played the game during the 3 Hour Press Presentation revealed that Jaal is curious about sex with a human. @beautesombre can back me up on that, as we discussed it over in the Jaal thread. I'll say this. I will eat my hat if Jaal isn't bi. I'll also delete my account here (again lol) probably to avoid the backlash of "I told you sos, you got my hopes up for nothing!". But that's my feeling on it. Everything about Jaal suggests to me he was created to be both romanceable (and certainly attractive to) both women and men, Sara and Scott. Plus, anyone that denies the obvious sexual tension in the trailer when Scott and Jaal first meet and lock eyes on one another, is a fool I tell you. Also? I'd love it if there is a lesbian romance in Mass Effect Andromeda that is happy and beautiful, like San Junipero 68.media.tumblr.com/06ea16165fe3c3601995675ed4b38344/tumblr_ofimm9sGet1vgx53mo1_500.gifYorkie n' Kelly! Love Black Mirror, adored that episode. Also, don't delete your account again, don't.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Feb 27, 2017 13:55:57 GMT
Glad it seems Vetra will romanceable Sara. Still hoping and gonna try a 3 way romance between Sara x Vetra x Peebee.
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 27, 2017 14:15:24 GMT
I just want bi Jaal. The rest I'm not too fussed about although Vetra being available for sisRyder will be a bonus. I've already got my heart set on Jaal for my broRyder, although I really sHOULDN'T... Ok, *deep breath* I still have a strong feeling that Jaal is romanceable by both Sara and Scott. This doesn't mean he is bi necessarily, as while we as humans may interpret his romantic interest regardless of gender as bisexuality or pansexuality, it may have an entirely different meaning or perception to the angara and Jaal. But to make things simply, yes, I think Jaal will be bi, available for both Sara and Scott. As far as I am concerned, there has really been nothing to say otherwise. Literally. Nothing has been said that literally nips it in the bud. Peebee is obviously available for both Ryder siblings, by mere virtue of her being asari. This should not mean that Vetra and Jaal can't be available for both as well. We know Sara can flirt with Jaal. And recently someone who played the game during the 3 Hour Press Presentation revealed that Jaal is curious about sex with a human. @beautesombre can back me up on that, as we discussed it over in the Jaal thread. I'll say this. I will eat my hat if Jaal isn't bi. I'll also delete my account here (again lol) probably to avoid the backlash of "I told you sos, you got my hopes up for nothing!". But that's my feeling on it. Everything about Jaal suggests to me he was created to be both romanceable (and certainly attractive to) both women and men, Sara and Scott. Plus, anyone that denies the obvious sexual tension in the trailer when Scott and Jaal first meet and lock eyes on one another, is a fool I tell you. Also? I'd love it if there is a lesbian romance in Mass Effect Andromeda that is happy and beautiful, like San Junipero So there is a glimmer of hope! C'mon "You fretted over nothing, idiot!" curse of mine! Almost there! Jaal has yet to start growing on me and I'm kinda doubting he ever will (especially if I end up not playing the game LOL)...but even so I lurked in the Jaal thread because it used to make me so giddy seeing everyone there so stoked over a possible romance with him. Really, it would be super awesome to see all of you happy and worry-free again. I'm a total sap. I want to see options for beautiful straight relationships, gay relationships, and friendships. I don't think that's too much to ask for, is it?
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Post by Kian on Feb 27, 2017 14:28:17 GMT
From a cynical point of view, it can be seen as a way to grab some good will from the lgbt community and its allies, while at the same time making sure not to upset the delicate snowflakes who complain about "icky" stuff like gay characters (male or female), female leads, cast diversity, racial diversity, etc etc. You know, the usual "greatest hits" I'm really hoping this is not what Bioware is doing. This is why I'm so upset and bitter at the moment, with the info we are getting from leaks on one side and the COMPLETE LACK of info from Bioware regarding very specific content, on the other side. Being quite a cynic myself, I hope you are aware that that's exactly the attitude - from either "side" - that forces BW to keep info so tight to the chest these days, aren't you? Moreover, in the long run, it might even turn them, and other developers, off from catering to anybody outside the absolute mainstream at all in the future, as it's happening right now with the comics industry. Just saying... Nope. Setting aside any argument about this, because knowing your posting history I'm not interested in even trying a light discussion with you, let alone a debate, your "point" is contradicted by facts not only now, but in recent history as well. Think here of progress made by the lgbt community alone. The concept can be applied to other stuff, but let's keep it focused. A "keep your head down and don't rock the boat" attitude, which I know, would make "some people" very happy, would never cause improvement. Making noise and calling out publishers, game devs, etc, opens eyes, educates and creates change. If the gay community and its allies had been silent, Bioware wouldn't be the most progressive company, because no one would even know we exist or that we play games. And they would probably not be as succesful either, since in my personal experience, a lot of the people who really love their games are women (gay or str8) and gay men. It's obviously not representative since I only know a few people, so statistically doesn't count, but looks good to me as a concept
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 27, 2017 14:41:30 GMT
Not sure if we're still on the topic of FO4 romance Gonna chip in on on that too. Bethesda is trully the worst writer of modern AAA RPG studios, hands down. The romances in FO4 were lifted straight out of cheapass soap operas and felt "video-gamey" to the bone. The ideal still remains Obsidian writing actual romances which of course would be the best ever in the industry
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 27, 2017 14:45:27 GMT
Being quite a cynic myself, I hope you are aware that that's exactly the attitude - from either "side" - that forces BW to keep info so tight to the chest these days, aren't you? Moreover, in the long run, it might even turn them, and other developers, off from catering to anybody outside the absolute mainstream at all in the future, as it's happening right now with the comics industry. Just saying... Nope. Setting aside any argument about this, because knowing your posting history I'm not interested in even trying a light discussion with you, let alone a debate, your "point" is contradicted by facts not only now, but in recent history as well. Think here of progress made by the lgbt community alone. The concept can be applied to other stuff, but let's keep it focused. A "keep your head down and don't rock the boat" attitude, which I know, would make "some people" very happy, would never cause improvement. Making noise and calling out publishers, game devs, etc, opens eyes, educates and creates change. If the gay community and its allies had been silent, Bioware wouldn't be the most progressive company, because no one would even know we exist or that we play games. And they would probably not be as succesful either, since in my personal experience, a lot of the people who really love their games are women (gay or str8) and gay men. It's obviously not representative since I only know a few people, so statistically doesn't count, but looks good to me as a concept Suite yourself Joshua...
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 27, 2017 15:13:07 GMT
History has shown time and again that progress is made through making noise and fighting for your cause, not sitting on your laurels hoping for a scrap to come your way every once in a while.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 15:37:51 GMT
Not sure if we're still on the topic of FO4 romance Gonna chip in on on that too. Bethesda is trully the worst writer of modern AAA RPG studios, hands down. The romances in FO4 were lifted straight out of cheapass soap operas and felt "video-gamey" to the bone. The ideal still remains Obsidian writing actual romances which of course would be the best ever in the industry to be fair, BioWare's three conversations about my daddy issues then a cutscene shouldn't be written home about either
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 15:41:42 GMT
History has shown time and again that progress is made through making noise and fighting for your cause, not sitting on your laurels hoping for a scrap to come your way every once in a while. fighting? Is tweeting the devs begging for a scrap of information about which collections of pixels and and 1's and 0's you can have digital relationships now the same as actual campaigning for equal rights?
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Post by ladiesman777 on Feb 27, 2017 16:02:27 GMT
Not sure if we're still on the topic of FO4 romance Gonna chip in on on that too. Bethesda is trully the worst writer of modern AAA RPG studios, hands down. The romances in FO4 were lifted straight out of cheapass soap operas and felt "video-gamey" to the bone. The ideal still remains Obsidian writing actual romances which of course would be the best ever in the industry I think Obsidian would of done well if they had put romance in Fallout New Vegas. Boone you could be his new wife, Cass could be bi, Veronica lesbian, Ganon gay, etc. Obsidian never gets enough time to make a game how they want.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 27, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
to be fair, BioWare's three conversations about my daddy issues then a cutscene shouldn't be written home about either Obviously, but Bethesda still somehow manages to eclipse the worst of BW writing anyway. I think Obsidian would of done well if they had put romance in Fallout New Vegas. Boone you could be his new wife, Cass could be bi, Veronica lesbian, Ganon gay, etc. Obsidian never gets enough time to make a game how they want. Obsidian skips romances on purpouse, not because they don't have time (New Vegas is an enormous game). But as romances became practically a standard in mainstream RPGs, in large part thanks to Witcher 3 as well, I expect they will do it eventually too
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