Vintage Heat Sink

I never used javik and I played vanguard with N7 crusader or Sabre rifle so no I never touched the cool down weapons. I want to know how well it will work with a semi auto high powered weapon and what we are sacrificing for the mechanic

I am assuming the Claymore clip will only hold a single shot so the Vintage heat sink would be a bad mod on it as it will always overheat and go into the longer reload/cooling down animation. There were a few weapons like that in ME1, but here you simply wouldn't use it.

Alternatively they could design it so it allows 2 shots with the second one overheating it allowing you to run at a slightly slower than normal fire rate but giving the option of a double tap quick burst damage and a longer cool down period.

I like the fact they have both methods, it will require careful balance but so long as it is done well it opens up a lot of design space.

Awesome, I actually really love having the old vintage weapons. I miss my Frictionless Materials IX, will that mod be making a come back too if I may be so bold to ask?

All the more reason to have the overheating weapons be the ones the AI takes with them. 

Yup.

It gets deadly on full auto.

DEADLY!

Yep; this but for main single player game.

Just not a MP person.

Precisely. The vintage heatsink needs to actually be vintage, ie it always cools down when not in use. If you switch weapons or just wait a bit, it should begin cooling down on its own. Or at teh very least, if you have to trigger the cooldown by pressing reload, once you do, nothing should interrupt it. I'd also accept and even be impressed by having both systems with variable cooldown times. Switch weapons or leave it alone, sink gradually cools. Press reload to trigger rapid cooling = ME3 cooldown. Though it still shouldn't be interrupted by anything. If you run or crouch with it, have it bite into shields/health if you really want to be a stickler for details (since rapid cooling vents presumably superheated gas out the side of the gun, which is why the character always holds it still and away from them). We're big boys, we can ignore safety warnings lol.

They never mention ME1 gun sinks being damaged but as for taking enough clips, tell that to the ME2 Widow (and I'm sure other hard hitting weapons in that game). And a single encounter isn't the problem resource wise. Think bigger picture. How or why is the Pathfinder team (or the Initiative as a whole) use precious scarce resources to manufacture limited perishable ammo when we have a system in place that entirely negates the demand for that? Even if you consider taking a spare ME1 sink into the field, there is a chance you'll never need to use it. Compare that to the certainty of using some percentage of your clips. Sink still wins in terms of resources.

They say they'll explain this, so I guess we'll see what they come up with. Omnigel wouldn't be a bad bet, though still, think of what else you could build with it if you weren't constantly using it as ammo.

You WILL eventually burn the thermal clip down.

The cooling system will, however, allow you to cool down between bursts.

Show me one situation where magdumping is viable. Not even when you're suppressing.

I like the idea rivverrabbit of having both for the gun.

You'll always have the big heat sink as a fall back, but if you need to fire quickly you can eject the small, reloadable ones. Great idea!

Depends on which type of "breaking" you mean. Guns literally breaking you're right, but then it's not really applicable because guns of both sorts can break. If you mean break as in "break down", suffer defects or what have you, I think that would deserve a mention since the whole idea behind ME1 guns is "hey check out this gun that fire forever". If there was a significant percentage of malfunctions, I'd think that'd be mentioned somewhere.

The underlined is also a false assumption. Overheating is only a concern if you're being immediately overwhelmed. Burning through clips however can still occur with smaller, but consistent numbers attacking you. The latter case is an example where clips are an issue but heat sinks are not.

And again, the bigger issue in Andromeda isn't short term firefights but long term resource management. Why are you wasting resources even if it's something as convenient as omnigel on ammo a disposable by design, when you can instead craft reusable resources that will benefit you in almost all the same situations?

I also disagree with ignoring this for the sake of gameplay. In other cases that may work, but since precedent for lore has already been established, breaking it is a concern. And on the matter of gameplay, apart from catering to the casual shooter crowd I don't really see the benefits of the move to a traditional ammo system. If pace is a concern, a reload mechanic for "rapid venting" would've been sufficient. As for challenge, curbing full auto infinite fire by limiting things like frictionless materials and forcing you to be more strategic about which gun you use in which case would've done nicely. The actual limiting of ammo does nothing. In ME2 all it did was force me to treat the Widow like a BFG and only bust it out for bosses, forcing my previously sniping infiltrator to SMG his way through the game and in ME3 ammo was so abundant it may as well have been unlimited anyway.

Good stuff, Tiberius ! I always feel more options for players can only be a positive thing.

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