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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 23:13:05 GMT
you are not familiar with TT roleplaying games are you? This is not a piece of static fiction, this is an RPG If the DM/ST does not tell you x happens or agrees with you on that then it DOES NOT HAPPEN. Head canon is one step removed of delusion in these situations. That said. Up until the VERY RELEASE OF THE GAME not only were senior developers not allowed to use an import character in their tests (this not knowing for sure if the mess that these endings were was the result of a crappy playthrough or not) but Weekes himself was SURE that the destroy ending had a conventional happy ending with Shepard reuniting with the crew and all so much that he had to inquire about WTF happened under request from Holmes and found out somehow unbeknownst to him (a project lead) it was cut by the dynamic duo....and you know very well why that is. It may be delusional but BioWare writers and developers have gone on record as saying that they accept it as being fact and that they are perfectly ok with us, the fans, doing so. And I am not just talking about the endings either. But, thank you for providing the latter bit of information. I did not know that, and was curious what secret logic you had. And no, I am not familiar with tabletop RPGs but this is not a tabletop RPG either. This is a piece of 'static fiction'. As far as I am to understand it a DM does create a situation and then leaves it to you to react to the situation, within certain constraints, which then tells the story. The same principle works with CRPGs but they are a lot more restricted by the constraints of their chosen medium of story telling. That and there is not neccessarily that kind of feedback. They create the story, they create the peramaters of which our characters can then react, and then we react how we want given those constraints. Its a collaboration. We are in charge of one small part of one character in the game, they are responsible for the rest. it is not static by the very principle that you can change its narrative...tho it is restricted. Bioware went on record saying that we were the "co creators" of this story...only to yank it all away in the name of artistic integrity at the end of ME3 and in the face of being told "we hate this shit" (as an almost unanimous voice from the people they called "co creators of it all) they did not change it they just tried to polish the already offered proverbial turd when they were given the golden opportunity to fix it, no questions asked. They should have learned from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who found himself in a similar situation AND with a medium even more restrictive than videogames...but that might have been asking too much. To return to my previous point, the people ACTUALLY responsible for it never apologized for it, never acknowledged just how much responsibility they had in making as awful as it was and to this day defend it all . But hey as I said...one of them left (more or less willingly) and the second was hit by a "promoveatur ut amoveatur" maneuver by the higher ups (unless that changed now) So yes until I see this mechanic with my own eyes and see it works well without feeling like a joke mechanic that is worthless compared to what BW feels like the reload mechanic should be like I am gonna remain suspicious. Ps...Bioware is not ok with ALL headcanon, just ask people what happened to the Indoctrination Theory |
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Post by Rivercurse on Feb 4, 2017 23:21:11 GMT
Ps...Bioware is not ok with ALL headcanon, just ask people what happened to the Indoctrination Theory What did happen to it? |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 23:23:08 GMT
Ps...Bioware is not ok with ALL headcanon, just ask people what happened to the Indoctrination Theory What did happen to it? discussion of it was banned from the bsn |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 23:26:29 GMT
discussion of it was banned from the bsn There was probably more context to it then that. There are certain topics of conversation that just automatically seem to cause threads to go off the rails and lead to an insult bitter, butt hurt, bash fest. Even this forum's mods tend to take a VERY dim view on certain topics of conversation, like the views of a certain employee for BioWare Montreal. Its not an endorsement or a shun of the actual idea itself, but a simple acknolwedgement that some topics of conversation seems to be automatically be poisoned. |
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Post by chris2365 on Feb 4, 2017 23:28:47 GMT
So, a Bioware dev has the courtesy and generosity to give these forums an exclusive piece of info that no one else knows of, and we turn it into a conspiracy of how Bioware will make us regret it and how the ME3 endings have something to do with it. Sometimes I feel they were justified in shutting down the Bioware Forums, when you see stuff like this. No one is saying that we aren't allowed to be skeptical or to criticize, but to take a gift like this from a single dev and to extrapolate that to being negative about Bioware in general is just too much  |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 23:34:06 GMT
discussion of it was banned from the bsn There was probably more context to it then that. There are certain topics of conversation that just automatically seem to cause threads to go off the rails and lead to an insult bitter, butt hurt, bash fest. Even this forum's mods tend to take a VERY dim view on certain topics of conversation, like the views of a certain employee for BioWare Montreal. Its not an endorsement or a shun of the actual idea itself, but a simple acknolwedgement that some topics of conversation seems to be automatically be poisoned. no, they went out of their way to even say that the IT was not happening period so... |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 23:36:00 GMT
So, a Bioware dev has the courtesy and generosity to give these forums an exclusive piece of info that no one else knows of, and we turn it into a conspiracy of how Bioware will make us regret it and how the ME3 endings have something to do with it. Sometimes I feel they were justified in shutting down the Bioware Forums, when you see stuff like this. No one is saying that we aren't allowed to be skeptical or to criticize, but to take a gift like this from a single dev and to extrapolate that to being negative about Bioware in general is just too much say what you will but given past experiences I remain skeptical. I hope I am proven wrong |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 23:39:32 GMT
There was probably more context to it then that. There are certain topics of conversation that just automatically seem to cause threads to go off the rails and lead to an insult bitter, butt hurt, bash fest. Even this forum's mods tend to take a VERY dim view on certain topics of conversation, like the views of a certain employee for BioWare Montreal. Its not an endorsement or a shun of the actual idea itself, but a simple acknolwedgement that some topics of conversation seems to be automatically be poisoned. no, they went out of their way to even say that the IT was not happening period so... Ohhh. But even then that statement by itself does not really contradict anything that I have said. BioWare simply said they weren't doing IT. But you are more then welcome to do it yorself if you so choose. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 4, 2017 23:46:54 GMT
So, a Bioware dev has the courtesy and generosity to give these forums an exclusive piece of info that no one else knows of, and we turn it into a conspiracy of how Bioware will make us regret it and how the ME3 endings have something to do with it. Sometimes I feel they were justified in shutting down the Bioware Forums, when you see stuff like this. No one is saying that we aren't allowed to be skeptical or to criticize, but to take a gift like this from a single dev and to extrapolate that to being negative about Bioware in general is just too much IMDB is shutting down their forums because of, you guessed it, trolling. My understanding is that BSN had seriously devolved in that respect. I used that site, for a little bit last year, but didn't see much of that. There is some of it now that wasn't here in the past but the amount of users here has increased significantly in the past month or two. If it gets too hostile it's always possible that this could happen here. People automatically assume that they have the "right" to post whatever they want, not realizing it's actually a privilege to be able to use these forums. So, yeah, BioWare was justified in shutting it down. Criticism has never been the issue. It's when it moves from that to personal attacks that we're no longer discussing the game. Even stuff like "I hate Mac Walters" (I've seen something like that) it totally removed from discussing the game. Saying "I hate Mac's work and here's why" is a different thing entirely. Please, go ahead and do the latter but not the former. We may not agree but no one said we had to. |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 23:51:06 GMT
no, they went out of their way to even say that the IT was not happening period so... Ohhh. But even then that statement by itself does not really contradict anything that I have said. BioWare simply said they weren't doing IT. But you are more then welcome to do it yorself if you so choose. let me rephrase...they flat out said it was a wrong interpretation and banned discussion of it even in its own thread |
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Post by Adhin on Feb 5, 2017 0:52:09 GMT
I think people misinterpret BioWare (or any dev) saying think/makeup whatever you want as meaning 'that makes it canon' or a valid thing. It's not, it never will be, they're just not being thought police saying you can't think things.
...but people start going batshit over there headcannon trying to convince people 'that's how it really is'... yeah, gets banned from forum discussion since it's being more disruptive then doing good.
Gist of it is, if you wanna think something that's not cannon go for it but no one cares, and it has no place in conversations about the game/lore.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 5, 2017 2:06:33 GMT
Ohhh. But even then that statement by itself does not really contradict anything that I have said. BioWare simply said they weren't doing IT. But you are more then welcome to do it yorself if you so choose. let me rephrase...they flat out said it was a wrong interpretation and banned discussion of it even in its own thread Did they ban discussion or had the discussion thread devolved into character assassination? I've seen some discussion about IT that was not pleasant. |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 5, 2017 3:02:52 GMT
let me rephrase...they flat out said it was a wrong interpretation and banned discussion of it even in its own thread Did they ban discussion or had the discussion thread devolved into character assassination? I've seen some discussion about IT that was not pleasant. no, discussion altogether. ANY thread on it was met with deletion and sometimes suspension |
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Post by DayusMakhina on Feb 5, 2017 6:20:40 GMT
So... Vintage Heat Sinks...
We all like the idea, yes?
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Post by oniangel on Feb 5, 2017 6:34:15 GMT
I like vintage heat sinks as an option. I expect at minimum for them to have limited use for weapon heavy play styles while more useful for power heavy users. At the same time unless Devs are going to make heat sinks scarce compared to the past there would not be a high need to go vintage unless defending a point for a prolong period like multiplayer objectives for example.
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Post by sinkingfish on Feb 5, 2017 9:50:23 GMT
I'm happy for the people who wanted the heat sink thingy-doodah. But why would you need such a thing, if we can craft weapons, surely we'd have the know how to craft the ammo that goes with that weapon?
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Feb 5, 2017 12:47:04 GMT
Vintage Heat Sinks are superior to the Conventional Heat Sinks.
My favorite weapons in ME3, the M-7 Lancer and the Collector Sniper Rifle, were both made using Vintage Heat Sinks.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 5, 2017 18:41:31 GMT
you mean the public figures who were not responsible for it? Trust me cricket, if you knew some of the things I knew you would be less forgiving. The people responsible for the mess (directly) never acknowledged how messed up it all was and when the "public figures" apologized they never failed to still stand up for the choices they made and for the handling of the fallout. Uhm, you still talking about Batman and Robin? Because I'm pretty sure a director is responsible for shit like Bat Nipples and Bat Credit Card (cue Nostalgia Critic freakout). I mean yes, the producers could've Executive Meddled the film into figurative dogshit (see Fan4stick) but I haven't heard that for this movie. Otherwise, you're preaching to choir, pal. My point was BioWare, and hell, let's be honest and specific; Walters and Hudson, could've owned up and their relationship with the fans would've been entirely different even with them not otherwise lifting a finger to correct it. But they didn't and this is what we get. Unlike Shepard at the RGB, they had a choice. They chose...poorly. |
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Post by DragonRacer on Feb 5, 2017 18:42:45 GMT
I'm dubious about the vintage heat sink only because of my terrible track record with infinite ammo weapons. Of the ones we had in ME3MP, I did love the Prothean Particle Rifle the best, but my God, I had a hard time getting the timing right about not running it all the way down to overheat. Then, having to stand there waiting and hoping ammo would come back and, nine times out of ten, having to pop a thermal clip pack to force it to reload itself. The Collector SMG can kindly go fuck itself, however. He and I, we never got along. But for people who got the hang of that sort of weapon, I am happy you're getting this option. I, for one, will likely stick to the modern stuff.  |
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Post by Thrombin on Feb 5, 2017 22:37:01 GMT
I just noticed that the digs where Shepard stays in the Citadel DLC is in Tiberius Towers. So which came first, the Tiberius user name or the Citadel DLC?  |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 6, 2017 0:08:01 GMT
you mean the public figures who were not responsible for it? Trust me cricket, if you knew some of the things I knew you would be less forgiving. The people responsible for the mess (directly) never acknowledged how messed up it all was and when the "public figures" apologized they never failed to still stand up for the choices they made and for the handling of the fallout. Uhm, you still talking about Batman and Robin? Because I'm pretty sure a director is responsible for shit like Bat Nipples and Bat Credit Card (cue Nostalgia Critic freakout). I mean yes, the producers could've Executive Meddled the film into figurative dogshit (see Fan4stick) but I haven't heard that for this movie. Otherwise, you're preaching to choir, pal. My point was BioWare, and hell, let's be honest and specific; Walters and Hudson, could've owned up and their relationship with the fans would've been entirely different even with them not otherwise lifting a finger to correct it. But they didn't and this is what we get. Unlike Shepard at the RGB, they had a choice. They chose...poorly. my point is that the public figures who apologized actually were not involved in the creation of this mess...they actually were sure it was going in a completely different direction. Those responsible....they got to remain hidden and pretend they were geniuses |
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 6, 2017 1:19:15 GMT
Just played a multiplayer match with the m7 lancer, and boy can I not stand the old overheat system lol, definitely prefer the thermal clip option, that being said if we have the option to craft a hybrid between the two styles I definitely would go with that.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 6, 2017 9:15:10 GMT
I wonder if I can craft a weapon that can fire endlessly... Like DVa's mech cannon in Overwatch, or like the Spectre AR in the end of ME1 when u attach 2 frictionless material addons.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 6, 2017 15:01:40 GMT
Just played a multiplayer match with the m7 lancer, and boy can I not stand the old overheat system lol, definitely prefer the thermal clip option, that being said if we have the option to craft a hybrid between the two styles I definitely would go with that. That is not the old overheat system. ME3's variation is intentionally punishing (or at least seems that way) because when you do overheat you must trigger venting via reloading and wait for the animation. Cancelling out of it for any reason inexplicably cancels the cooling. Wheras the true old system, the weapons cooled down on their own and were not interrupted by anything. A simple repeat of ME3's overheat would be less than ideal. If they actually do go closer to the ME1 way, that is better. |
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 6, 2017 15:08:40 GMT
Just played a multiplayer match with the m7 lancer, and boy can I not stand the old overheat system lol, definitely prefer the thermal clip option, that being said if we have the option to craft a hybrid between the two styles I definitely would go with that. That is not the old overheat system. ME3's variation is intentionally punishing (or at least seems that way) because when you do overheat you must trigger venting via reloading and wait for the animation. Cancelling out of it for any reason inexplicably cancels the cooling. Wheras the true old system, the weapons cooled down on their own and were not interrupted by anything. A simple repeat of ME3's overheat would be less than ideal. If they actually do go closer to the ME1 way, that is better. I must confess, I never had any problem with the Lancer in ME3, but then I only played on normal and sometimes on veteran (that is the one over normal right?) so I don't know if it makes it harder to focus on not overheating the weapon. The only times I did that was when I decided to play run n gun (not something I was good at btw). But I agree that they should use the old overheating system. |
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