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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:12:24 GMT
BTW, Cora looks more than a female than Cassandra ever did, facial structure wise, and whatnot. I really don't get it. I find her adorable... Her hair color, her cheek mole, just about EvERytHinG. Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. Heard of Final fantasy? What about it? You mean that anime franchise? How is it relevant?
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 3:14:44 GMT
Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. Heard of Final fantasy? What about it? You mean that anime franchise? How is it relevant? I know it more like a video game franchise. But if you look at some faces in vacuum you won't be so sure.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:17:01 GMT
What about it? You mean that anime franchise? How is it relevant? I know it more like a video game franchise. But if you look at some faces in vacuum you won't be so sure. I still don't get what you're trying to say here.
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 3:24:07 GMT
I know it more like a video game franchise. But if you look at some faces in vacuum you won't be so sure. I still don't get what you're trying to say here. Ohh, this is harsh: Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. ^ My original reply.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 1, 2017 3:30:58 GMT
Eh.. I wouldn't be talking about this if Cora was not a romance option, but I don't like her face. I spend so much time in all sorts of character creators, I can just see all the sliders I have to move to make her more attractive - cheekbones higher, upper lip a bit fuller, browline lower, jawline and nosebridge thinner, chin a bit to the back. Yeah.. that would be much better. You know what's funny though? It seems like Bioware is trying to portrait a more average woman when it comes to beauty, ' 'being all progressive and not setting up unrealistic beauty standards, jadda jadda...'' But here, have a dumb modelling pose and a nice wide ass-shot! That's totally fine. LOVE her hair btw. I actually agree, I really do not see Cora as progressive at all or adding something to a diverse cast, she seems like Miranda/Cassandra but with a twist. She is still a white woman with light weight and probably straight, there is nothing progressive about that. Makes me wonder the though behind her design "No, no, no do not do that, we still need to appeal to straight players with that sexy pose and butt window", well the joke is one them.
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Post by rudelove on Feb 1, 2017 3:35:01 GMT
Cora looks very different depending on the pose, imo... In the trailer when it was Ryder and 4 squadmates, Cora included, she looked very pretty and even badass. Yet, in the briefing... Something just seems off, maybe it's the uncanny valley's fault but her eyes just burn through my soul, it makes me worried that she'll have weird facial expressions like Miranda did.
Sadly, attraction is subjective and we can't all get the hot babes that we want, (I am hoping for a hot babe crew member though).
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:36:05 GMT
I still don't get what you're trying to say here. Ohh, this is harsh: Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. ^ My original reply. Disagree. Seems pretty obvious by me.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 1, 2017 3:39:27 GMT
Ohh, this is harsh: Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. ^ My original reply. Disagree. Seems pretty obvious by me. I think this is what the message is all about.
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 3:42:28 GMT
Ohh, this is harsh: Facial structure alone is not a good indicator of whether someone is a female. ^ My original reply. Disagree. Seems pretty obvious by me. It's ''obvious'' to you because her eyebrows are done nicely, and she is wearing lip-gloss / mascara / eye-shadows and a bronzer. <= None of that has anything to do with face structure.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:44:03 GMT
Disagree. Seems pretty obvious by me. I think this is what the message is all about. I think it's pretty obvious Mass Effect aims for realistic face models. That's why I said Cora looks like a female mora than Cassandra ever did. That's basically anime style, a very not good comparison by any means.
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 3:50:16 GMT
Talking about face structure.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:53:42 GMT
Try another one, I guess? I still see it.
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 3:55:04 GMT
Try another one, I guess? I still see it.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 3:58:43 GMT
Nose gives it. A male.
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Post by setecastronomy on Feb 1, 2017 4:04:59 GMT
Maybe it's the hundreds of hours of modding Skyrim, but IMO most of the "problems" with Cora's face could be solved by tweaking the normal maps.
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Post by kaind on Feb 1, 2017 4:05:40 GMT
Bruh, whatever quality about that nose you will name I will find you a female that has the same nose or has a nose with larger amount of said quality.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 1, 2017 4:09:19 GMT
ol Cora look like she finna ask to speak to your manager
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 4:17:11 GMT
Bruh, whatever quality about that nose you will name I will find you a female that has the same nose or has a nose with larger amount of said quality. Sore loser, brah.
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Post by Spooch on Feb 1, 2017 4:19:18 GMT
I'm going to take a middle ground in the argument going on. I think face structure is a pretty good indication of gender, I just think Cora's face looks feminine.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2017 4:24:33 GMT
I'm going to take a middle ground in the argument going on. I think face structure is a pretty good indication of gender, I just think Cora's face looks feminine. Bah! Begone rabble! There is no place for that sort of talk here.
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Post by normandy on Feb 1, 2017 4:58:07 GMT
I have nothing against Cora as a squadmate, but as Ryder LI she just feels a bit too old for him.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 1, 2017 5:09:48 GMT
I have nothing against Cora as a squadmate, but as Ryder LI she just feels a bit too old for him. But then you can get lots of XP.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 1, 2017 5:40:59 GMT
Be forewarned, I'm gonna sound like a pig and probably an idiot here, and that's usually not me. But here goes... I think any criticism Bioware has received over the facial design of these characters, is well warranted. I'm not talking about destructive criticism, but I gotta be honest, while I don't think Cora and PeeBee are ugly in the true sense of the word, they aren't exactly the fairest looking maidens either. "Well why should that matter?" You might say. Well...because it honestly feels a bit like whiplash to go from women who look like Liara, Miranda, Jack, ME1 Ashley, Traynor, and Samara, to....well what we have with Cora and Peebee. It's true that in real life, looks shouldn't take priority in dating. But this is suppose to be fantasy. Romance has always been one of the biggest selling points for Bioware games. So when you create average looking characters, don't be surprised when people are disappointed. It really doesn't help that female romance options in DA:I weren't winning any beauty pageants either, and the only three physically attractive women (Morrigan, Leliana and Harding) weren't romance options. While I liked Cassandra, Sera and Josie, they didn't exactly become the center of attention for fan art, the same way ME1-3's characters did. It's true that Bioware had a lot of critical success with the faceless Tali, but that's really an exception to the rule since Tali was so wonderfully written and voice acted. Not to mention it helped that she had a curvy body with killer hips to go with that personality. But is lightning gonna strike twice? My argument probably sounds like shit to a lot of you, and it's probably poorly worded too. But my main point is, they could've done a lot better. Even if we were to keep Cora's hairstyle and whatnot, they could've done a better job designing that face. There is something aesthetically off about it. I am going to romance one of them, and I look forward to learning more about them and getting to know their personality. But still....Liara had an amazing personality, but it really really helped that she also looked like a goddess. That's just me at least. I think this is a perfectly valid response whether it's a popular one or not. People have different tastes. Myself, I think Cora looks great. The only thing I'd tweak is the... length? of her head (like, vertically). I feel it's too long/tall for that type of hairstyle. I think it looks a bit wonky in pics such as:
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Post by LuckyFatCat on Feb 1, 2017 6:45:28 GMT
o/
I think Cora is fine, the videos and pictures we've seen her in are sort of bright/white light areas...and it tends to wash out her face, so any texture/details on her face from a distance disappear and even sort of close up depending on the filter/flare/bloom effect being used. Also...I've noticed that her hair doesn't cast any sort of shadow on her face, not sure if that's been brought up or if there's actually a scene of her stylized bob/under cut producing a shadow. These could be a minor cause for the dislike of her facial appearance perhaps?
Dunno...just putting that out there. Not sure if that's been mentioned before...?
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