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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 1, 2017 8:28:51 GMT
Cora is like Cassandra. Not exactly ugly at first but she just looks slightly less like I'd want my primary male romance option to look like but the more time goes the more I find her appearance charming.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 1, 2017 8:29:55 GMT
So Cora's uniform has a butt window? I like this. I like this a lot. It makes it easier to edit the texture into the skin of an ass. Modding is going to kill this game.
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 1, 2017 9:23:18 GMT
Gotta say it's amusing how random people on the internet can fix most eye-catching issues in a few hours, but professional character designers can't do it in a few years. Objectification is bad, m'kay? Butt windows are fine though.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 9:26:56 GMT
Gotta say it's amusing how random people on the internet can fix most eye-catching issues in a few hours, but professional character designers can't do it in a few years. Objectification is bad, m'kay? Butt windows are fine though.What did they change, the wrinkles (not sure if that's how you call it) in her fact? Her structure seems the same.
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 1, 2017 9:31:53 GMT
Gotta say it's amusing how random people on the internet can fix most eye-catching issues in a few hours, but professional character designers can't do it in a few years. Objectification is bad, m'kay? Butt windows are fine though.What did they change, the wrinkles (not sure if that's how you call it) in her fact? Her structure seems the same. My condolences. It must be hard to be a reptilian stuck on human world. All these... things just look the same, aren't they?
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 1, 2017 9:32:46 GMT
wish people would stop using the word kit, it's extremely cringey and doesn't mean anything in this context
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 9:52:15 GMT
What did they change, the wrinkles (not sure if that's how you call it) in her fact? Her structure seems the same. My condolences. It must be hard to be a reptilian stuck on human world. All these... things just look the same, aren't they? For aliens humans all look the same . I might be bad to notice things or looking things at the phone. I didn't mean that there weren't difference, just that the shape of the face seems the same. Fron what I see the changed the shadow under her right eye, the right cheek look less...puffy? And the wrinkle under the part of the lips is gone. There might be some other small differences, but they aren't as noticeable as those three. I think they were intentional anyway.
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Post by surelyforth on Feb 1, 2017 10:42:54 GMT
Gotta say it's amusing how random people on the internet can fix most eye-catching issues in a few hours, but professional character designers can't do it in a few years. Objectification is bad, m'kay? Butt windows are fine though.Random people on the internet can force the changes that they find to be more aesthetically pleasing onto something with little to no reference to how it was originally conceived of/intended to be designed. Like, there's a million mods on the Nexus of people "fixing" most "eye-catching" issues. Whenever I scroll through those mods all I can think is "thank god none of these dudes actually work in video game designing" because nearly all of their mods, without fail, destroy whatever individuality a character possesses and renders them utterly bland and forgettable as a result.
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Post by blueasari on Feb 1, 2017 11:00:17 GMT
I for one love Cora and thinks she looks great, her hair is awesome as well. The only trouble now is who do I choose for my love interest? PeeBee or Cora, guess it will come down to their personalities.
Can't wait!
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 1, 2017 11:06:23 GMT
Gotta say it's amusing how random people on the internet can fix most eye-catching issues in a few hours, but professional character designers can't do it in a few years. Objectification is bad, m'kay? Butt windows are fine though.Random people on the internet can force the changes that they find to be more aesthetically pleasing onto something with little to no reference to how it was originally conceived of/intended to be designed. Implying these things are result of intelligent design and are helpful in making character look interesting.
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Post by leonick on Feb 1, 2017 11:34:22 GMT
Random people on the internet can force the changes that they find to be more aesthetically pleasing onto something with little to no reference to how it was originally conceived of/intended to be designed. Implying these things are result of intelligent design and are helpful in making character look interesting. Yes. Maybe not "intelligent design" but certainly intentional design. If they're so "eye-catching" issues that "random people on the internet" immediately spot them then the professional designers most definitely have seen it too and chose to leave it for one reason or another. Not to mention there'll be a team of people working on and giving these characters the OK. It's not like one designer gave Cora a wide jawline or whatever without ever realising and would have changed it if only someone had pointed it out to them...
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 1, 2017 12:16:52 GMT
wish people would stop using the word kit, it's extremely cringey and doesn't mean anything in this context Er... "Kit"a set of all the parts needed to assemble something.synonyms: set of parts, set of components, set, outfit, DIY kit, do-it-yourself kit, self-assembly also: a set of articles forming part of a soldier's equipment.synonyms: equipment, tools, implements, instruments, gadgets, utensils, appliances, tools of the trade, materials, aids, gear, tackle, hardware, paraphernalia, appurtenances; That works, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:20:04 GMT
wish people would stop using the word kit, it's extremely cringey and doesn't mean anything in this context Er... "Kit"a set of all the parts needed to assemble something.synonyms: set of parts, set of components, set, outfit, DIY kit, do-it-yourself kit, self-assembly also: a set of articles forming part of a soldier's equipment.synonyms: equipment, tools, implements, instruments, gadgets, utensils, appliances, tools of the trade, materials, aids, gear, tackle, hardware, paraphernalia, appurtenances; That works, surely? 'Kit', or 'K.I.T.T.'? Anyone old enough to remember this?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 1, 2017 15:30:47 GMT
Cora is like Cassandra. Not exactly ugly at first but she just looks slightly less like I'd want my primary male romance option to look like but the more time goes the more I find her appearance charming. Ah Zounds! Sir, of what dost thou speak?! Nay, Cassandra is a strikingly beautiful and goodly dame, she fills any mans eyes with utter joy. Only an emasculated scoundrel of low birth would not be immediately 'ware of her wondrous feminal beauty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
I'm thinking of cosplaying as Cora. I just need to shave part of my hair and put some brown contact lenses, and it's all set. It'll be good stuff.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 1, 2017 15:51:58 GMT
wish people would stop using the word kit, it's extremely cringey and doesn't mean anything in this context KIT KIT KIT KIT KIT!
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Post by Crim on Feb 1, 2017 15:58:17 GMT
wish people would stop using the word kit, it's extremely cringey and doesn't mean anything in this context KIT KIT KIT KIT KIT!
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Post by hivemind on Feb 1, 2017 16:16:38 GMT
Cora is claimed to be just 24 y.o. but looks like she actualy 42. At this point im beginning to think that it's a general Frostbite problem - characters faces.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 16:20:32 GMT
Cora is claimed to be just 24 y.o. but looks like she actualy 42. At this point im beginning to think that it's a general Frostbite problem - characters faces. 1)By who? They made no statement on her age, going as far as saying they can't tell that from now, I think. 2)She looks around 30 to me, not 42.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 1, 2017 16:29:32 GMT
o/ I think Cora is fine, the videos and pictures we've seen her in are sort of bright/white light areas...and it tends to wash out her face, so any texture/details on her face from a distance disappear and even sort of close up depending on the filter/flare/bloom effect being used. Also... I've noticed that her hair doesn't cast any sort of shadow on her face, not sure if that's been brought up or if there's actually a scene of her stylized bob/under cut producing a shadow. These could be a minor cause for the dislike of her facial appearance perhaps? Dunno...just putting that out there. Not sure if that's been mentioned before...? One of the two problems I have with Cora. The other not being the hair style or the spiral-eye syndrome but the two-tone color. Don't get me wrong I am all for two-tone color. Would just prefer colors that would accent together better in all lighting conditions. Personally obsidian and white-tan will look like she is half bald in a very brightly lit area. Er... "Kit"a set of all the parts needed to assemble something.synonyms: set of parts, set of components, set, outfit, DIY kit, do-it-yourself kit, self-assembly also: a set of articles forming part of a soldier's equipment.synonyms: equipment, tools, implements, instruments, gadgets, utensils, appliances, tools of the trade, materials, aids, gear, tackle, hardware, paraphernalia, appurtenances; That works, surely? 'Kit', or 'K.I.T.T.'? Anyone old enough to remember this? Yep. Beat me to the response. I also grew up with someone who had the name Kitt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 19:05:13 GMT
Be forewarned, I'm gonna sound like a pig and probably an idiot here, and that's usually not me. But here goes... I think any criticism Bioware has received over the facial design of these characters, is well warranted. I'm not talking about destructive criticism, but I gotta be honest, while I don't think Cora and PeeBee are ugly in the true sense of the word, they aren't exactly the fairest looking maidens either. "Well why should that matter?" You might say. Well...because it honestly feels a bit like whiplash to go from women who look like Liara, Miranda, Jack, ME1 Ashley, Traynor, and Samara, to....well what we have with Cora and Peebee. It's true that in real life, looks shouldn't take priority in dating. But this is suppose to be fantasy. Romance has always been one of the biggest selling points for Bioware games. So when you create average looking characters, don't be surprised when people are disappointed. It really doesn't help that female romance options in DA:I weren't winning any beauty pageants either, and the only three physically attractive women (Morrigan, Leliana and Harding) weren't romance options. While I liked Cassandra, Sera and Josie, they didn't exactly become the center of attention for fan art, the same way ME1-3's characters did. It's true that Bioware had a lot of critical success with the faceless Tali, but that's really an exception to the rule since Tali was so wonderfully written and voice acted. Not to mention it helped that she had a curvy body with killer hips to go with that personality. But is lightning gonna strike twice? My argument probably sounds like shit to a lot of you, and it's probably poorly worded too. But my main point is, they could've done a lot better. Even if we were to keep Cora's hairstyle and whatnot, they could've done a better job designing that face. There is something aesthetically off about it. I am going to romance one of them, and I look forward to learning more about them and getting to know their personality. But still....Liara had an amazing personality, but it really really helped that she also looked like a goddess. That's just me at least. For the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with your opinion and it's cool that you voiced it in a respectful and intelligent manner, so definitely don't think you sound like an idiot or pig. I do, however, think you're wrong. And I'm mostly going to use your post as a jumping off point for my two cents, so not everything I've got to say necessarily relates to your post, but your post demonstrates what I think it the critical flaw that most of these aesthetic criticisms make. In a word, it's subjectivity.
Let's take Miranda. The genetically perfect woman and not very attractive to me. I'm a straight white male; I'm as generic an audience as they come for the video game industry. I thought Miranda looked terrible, although I will admit that part of that was because modeling her so closely to Strahovsky (spelling?) gave her an uncanny vibe. The point is that many people, yourself included, point to Miranda as an example of good, attractive feminine facial design. I disagree. Indeed, I think Cassandra from DAI was far more attractive. I'd go so far as to say that she was beautiful, and I'm not talking about her personality. Cassandra was hot to me, and that's cool and all, but there were plenty of people crying that she was ugly, which I didn't understand.
But see, there's the crux of it. The people who liked Cassandra's appearance didn't say anything because they had no need to. The people who disliked Cassandra did, and came to the original BSN. The crying there was a little over the top, and, again, for the record, I don't think that's what you're doing. But even Miranda got her fair share of dislike; there were plenty of people on the original BSN that came to compare her to Michael Jackson; I didn't, even though I thought her unattractive, but SOME people did. This is our problem.
We as a group have constantly made posts and engaged in discussions about why Bioware's women are unattractive. Has it never occurred to you, or to anyone else who shares your opinion, that you might simply have aesthetic tastes different from the current games' offerings? You claim that Bioware is making average-looking characters. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think you belong to a group that has just been kind of unlucky in that department because their art team went in a direction differing from your aesthetic tastes. I think that Bioware makes attractive women (and men!) for a variety of different tastes, and to suppose or posit that they are progressively making more and more unattractive women doesn't make sense in my eyes.
I didn't think any of the women in DA2 were attractive. I didn't start thinking Bioware was beyond making hot women for their fantasy role-playing games. We as a community need to stop claiming that Bioware is on some kind of trend and, you know, maybe just take things as they are. "Oh. None of the current women are attractive to me. Ah, well, better luck next time." Once more, I'm not targeting you specifically. Just the general trend around here of people thinking out loud that Bioware is actively making more unattractive women.
Oh, and by the way, Cora isn't really attractive to me either. But meh. There'll be choices, and even if I'm unlucky again this time around I'll enjoy the game just the same (unintentional rhyme points).
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Post by President of Boom on Feb 1, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
I hate to break the discussion about femininity here, but what exactly is going on in the background of these? Have we seen that picture before? The burning thing that appears to be plummeting toward the planet looks a lot like one of our arks .
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Feb 1, 2017 23:32:10 GMT
Cora is claimed to be just 24 y.o. but looks like she actualy 42. At this point im beginning to think that it's a general Frostbite problem - characters faces. Where did you hear she was 24
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 0:59:07 GMT
Hey BioWare, don't you know that not only females can have big butts?
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Feb 2, 2017 4:31:41 GMT
I'm fine with the hairstyle, but they really need to tone down those crazy-eyes. Why are they so wide and staring? I feel that the time has come when we are deep in the uncanny valley. Or maybe BioWare just needs better shading. As for butt windows, they've been a thing since at least ME3.
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