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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 1, 2017 22:56:00 GMT
Hold up. Are people really upset from these few sentences because it says "fun with friends" and so they automatically equate that to MOBA or Overwatch or multiplayer-only? Holy cow! We know like literally NOTHING about this game and people have already written it off?? Seriously???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 23:20:07 GMT
Hold up. Are people really upset from these few sentences because it says "fun with friends" and so they automatically equate that to MOBA or Overwatch or multiplayer-only? Holy cow! We know like literally NOTHING about this game and people have already written it off?? Seriously???This is the BSN. But granted to the writer-offers, I am with them. From what has been touted about the IP, it sounds very disappointing. An article a while back said that Mass Effect Andromeda is the most important game of the year, precisely because of the storytelling and character importance, and the narrative drive of the game. That it isn't following the trends of a lot of AAA developers, eschewing story completely in favor of multiplayer gameplay. All the above ironic now after the statement on the new IP.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 1, 2017 23:31:54 GMT
Where did it state it is MP only and had no story? It could be rich in story and have a MP component. Or it could be a multiplayer game with rich story like Destiny tried to be. Or something totally new. It just seems like we should wait for some information about what it actually is before writing it off.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 23:45:11 GMT
Hold up. Are people really upset from these few sentences because it says "fun with friends" and so they automatically equate that to MOBA or Overwatch or multiplayer-only? Holy cow! We know like literally NOTHING about this game and people have already written it off?? Seriously???This is the BSN. But granted to the writer-offers, I am with them. From what has been touted about the IP, it sounds very disappointing. An article a while back said that Mass Effect Andromeda is the most important game of the year, precisely because of the storytelling and character importance, and the narrative drive of the game. That it isn't following the trends of a lot of AAA developers, eschewing story completely in favor of multiplayer gameplay. All the above ironic now after the statement on the new IP. How so? They didn't say story is going to be completely overwhelmed by MP. Bioware actually mention story/lore and characters in their note on the game. There are huge assumptions made just because it'll (likely) have a stronger multiplayer presence compared to their other games. It doesn't mean much in regards of the story, which could still have an important role in the game. Beside, they are still developing games focused more on the SP. I honestly don't see why they can't do different types of games, and I'm not even that big of a fan of MP components.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2017 23:51:23 GMT
Hell, a BioWare story twist on something like EVE online could be hella cool.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 1, 2017 23:53:06 GMT
Remember the days when gaming was about having time to yourself and blissfully shutting yourself out from this ocean of human garbage we live in?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 23:57:18 GMT
Remember the days when gaming was about having time to yourself and blissfully shutting yourself out from this ocean of human garbage we live in? Well, there are still plenty of games that let you do that. Even MEA (regardless how it'll turn out), can be played without MP.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 2, 2017 0:08:56 GMT
Hold up. Are people really upset from these few sentences because it says "fun with friends" and so they automatically equate that to MOBA or Overwatch or multiplayer-only? Holy cow! We know like literally NOTHING about this game and people have already written it off?? Seriously??? People are going too far writing it off, however, it is absolutely reasonable to assume it's gonna be multiplayer only. Not MMO or MOBA necessarily, but persistient online world? Yup. Destiny, Division etc.This is the trend and it was clear this new IP would head in this direction too since E3 2014. They already said all this in the interviews from that time, of course most decided to ignore them and delude themselves
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 2, 2017 0:11:26 GMT
Remember the days when gaming was about having time to yourself and blissfully shutting yourself out from this ocean of human garbage we live in? Yes. I also remember that online games didn't suddenly appear in the 2010s. There's no reason to dismiss the idea of online games build for that from the ground up. Far bigger issues with tacked-on MP modes or models of monetization of online connectivity, rather than the idea of online in itself
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 0:13:16 GMT
You know as long as they don't have a subscription for the stupid thing or jerk over the player base who does not want to pay a subscription I might be curious in a BioWare MMO.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 2, 2017 0:27:49 GMT
Remember the days when gaming was about having time to yourself and blissfully shutting yourself out from this ocean of human garbage we live in? Yes. I also remember that online games didn't suddenly appear in the 2010s. There's no reason to dismiss the idea of online games build for that from the ground. Far bigger issues with tack-on MP modes or models of monetization of online connectivity, rather than the idea of online in itself My point is that MP used to be a niche feature, not the main selling point of the entire industry. If you want really great single-player experiences you more often than not have to browse among indie games.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Feb 2, 2017 0:30:53 GMT
Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of a few lines at the mo, so I'm going to reserve judgement until some more info is released & see what happens then, if it is an MMO style game, what platform is it on? As these don't really last too long on console, so will it be a PC first/only release? Will the story be linear with a set protagonist, or follow BW's usual style of at least come customisation & choices?
Anyoo, I've said my piece.
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Post by giltspur on Feb 2, 2017 0:50:55 GMT
That's pretty uncontroversial to me. Games like Uncharted and Dishonored and Red Dead Redemption aren't really RPG's even though they might have crossover appeal to fans of various types of RPG's. For me, I've never really thought this gameplay system or that gameplay system is all that fundamental to Bioware's brand. I've always felt their brand is their storytelling and their characters.
Though that does give me pause because of this:
I play multiplayer games. But what I like about Bioware games is that they're not multiplayer. I play a Bioware game so that I'm not playing alongside online people that are playing the game for the 500th time to gain a level or get new items. Sometimes I like fake friends like Morrigan and Alistair that I get to know and go on adventures with. That's what Bioware's really good at it: making fake friends for people that want to play a game by themselves. Fake's not a bad thing. Fiction stories are about fake people you can identify with. I'm not sure Bioware's gift with characters translates to a game in which multiplayer is a big component. So I'm curious to see just how important the multiplayer is to the game or if that was just an add-in comment on a game that has a multiplayer component like most games.
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Post by deebo305 on Feb 2, 2017 0:51:54 GMT
Oooooooooweeee! Finally news on the new IP! Aaaaand lost interest. There's a thing to be said by those who never try to attempt anything new The Bioware formula is great but not perfect, if they want to try their hands at a multiplayer IP I don't see the problem. It could be the next Diablo, Overwatch, or Destiny for all we know so I say give it a chance before writing it off
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 2, 2017 1:01:34 GMT
My point is that MP used to be a niche feature, not the main selling point of the entire industry. If you want really great single-player experiences you more often than not have to browse among indie games. But, that's again more of an issue of tacked-on-everything MP modes, not games that were made with online at its core idea from start. Those would keep getting made regardless, just as they were in the 90s when internet was still niche
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 2, 2017 1:01:45 GMT
Oooooooooweeee! Finally news on the new IP! Aaaaand lost interest. There's a thing to be said by those who never try to attempt anything new The Bioware formula is great but not perfect, if they want to try their hands at a multiplayer IP I don't see the problem. It could be the next Diablo, Overwatch, or Destiny for all we know so I say give it a chance before writing it off Plus they are not abandoning RPGs.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 2, 2017 1:04:20 GMT
Oooooooooweeee! Finally news on the new IP! Aaaaand lost interest. There's a thing to be said by those who never try to attempt anything new Yeah, they don't have to deal with a sore rectum.
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Post by goishen on Feb 2, 2017 2:00:38 GMT
SWTOR was golden in its quality and ideals for a long, long time. I wish they let it go gracefully, instead of emulating the lowbrow competition. So much this. I've played WoW, found it to be ... Well, lacking in the story department. Or rather, lacking in the story department that doesn't give a fucking migraine from over half an hour trying to figure out what the author meant to say in his paragraph long run-on sentence. Blizzard just needs to shit can that entire gaming department and move on. Hire some real writers, some real editors. It's not like they're hurting for cash, at this point. And these "shorts" that everybody and their brother seem to love about Overwatch ain't gonna cut it either. "Awww, look, he saved the butterfly. *sob*" *blink* *blink* *blink* Really?
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Post by deebo305 on Feb 2, 2017 2:35:46 GMT
There's a thing to be said by those who never try to attempt anything new Yeah, they don't have to deal with a sore rectum. Based on post by alot he fan base I'm not so sure about that But I got Bioware will surprise alot of the skeptics
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Post by daemul on Feb 2, 2017 5:49:53 GMT
Its been a well known secret that Bioware have been wanting to create a sort of shared world always online RPG(not to be confused with an MMO, the two are different) since even as far back as the time of the first Mass Effect, and coincidently enough thats the exact sort of game missing from EA's portfolio. Its one that EA have desperately been wanting to add for a while now since not only is that type of game hugely popular and generates massive income, but also because all their major competitors have their own massive franchise's which fill that role, with games such as The Division, Destiny and Warframe being notable examples, and Microsoft is releasing Sea of Thieves soon which also falls into this genre.
Shared world RPG's are great since they usually have a continous stream of content in order to maintain a strong playerbase, but they've also been blamed as being a factor in the decline of the sales of many previously strong video game franchise's, with many people choosing to stick to their shared world RPG of choice instead of buying new games. I see no problem with this tbh, shared world RPG's have proven themselves to be a much better time and money investment than the vast majority of video games this gen, so I'll happily stick to my Warframe over playing disappointments like the latest Deus Ex and COD.
I'm very interested in the setting they choose for their shared world RPG, I suspect it will Sci Fi, or a sub genre of it such as Cyberpunk, but we'll see.
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Post by NRieh on Feb 2, 2017 6:32:47 GMT
Remember the days when gaming was about having time to yourself and blissfully shutting yourself out from this ocean of human garbage we live in? Still 100% doable. Including SWTOR and NwN (which are the most 'social' BW games I can think of). I'd also say that healing PvE and PvP groups has very little to do with my RL daily duties....but hey, what do I know about the others' 'human garbage they live in'?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 2, 2017 15:14:05 GMT
So this isn't Andromeda related... so it should be elsewhere, if not merged with another thread.
Moving...
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 2, 2017 15:21:11 GMT
Actual developers of games probably clench their fists, and squint their eyes shut any time the company CEO talks about their games. We still know almost nothing about this games so I'd wait just a tad longer before crushing it or praising it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 15:40:55 GMT
You know as long as they don't have a subscription for the stupid thing or jerk over the player base who does not want to pay a subscription I might be curious in a BioWare MMO. Me too, but B2P or F2P suck, so... I don't believe in sustainable story-driven MMOs. I would rather they did an alternative on-line endeavour in the genres I have not tried. BioWare's style Overwatch, with SWTOR like creativity in presenting their MP component, but without all the Daily Filler of Things You Could Do if you were locked away in a 6x6 white-walled windowless room for eternity with no other potential occupations whatsoever.... a game that consists of just the high-Octaine, drop-in, play as long as you want or as little as you want per day parts of the MMOs... Zoom-zoom that!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 2, 2017 17:27:48 GMT
Actual developers of games probably clench their fists, and squint their eyes shut any time the company CEO talks about their games. We still know almost nothing about this games so I'd wait just a tad longer before crushing it or praising it. I hope so because it sounds to me like Andrew Wilson has been one of the guys pointing BioWare in a certain direction. Wasn't that what Greg and Ray used to do? They took Casey who was the project director for KOTOR to dinner and proposed he should direct "a new science fiction IP", and they probably decided it should be action/rpg too. I think that's up to the CEO to decide. The "free creative control" is everything within the framework the developer gets I would think.
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