There's something shady about the Andromeda Initiative - Minius GC

"Mass Effect is Sci-Fi. One of the fundamental principles of Sci-Fi is making the impossible appear possible. It's about making the viewer or the player believe in the setting in front of them."

Isn't that you said? And Dragon Age doesn't make you believe in the setting in front of them? Pretty much a great deal of the lore of Dragon Age is explained as well, even magic. Now, what you possibly mean is that Science Fiction deals with the possibilities of where science can get us. They are not beyond the realm of science theory.

Fantasy on the other hand, has its ground on the supernatural, magic, that has no basis in science. Both have their own rules and apply them. Laws govern fantasy worlds as well.
Both are in the realm of fiction.

And your "The point of Sci-Fi is to explain." argument doesn't always apply. Explain to me then, how Cerberus got so powerful in the 30 years they have been around? Where is the lore behind it? How come they have a network of contacts and information so vast that rivals the Shadow Broker?
How come the Illusive Man was after the Catalyst for so long and didn't consider he would need the Crucible to use it? And no one mentions it! A plot hole so retarded it hurts my sensibilities.

Now, as for EDI, you are talking about an AI that Cerberus build! One that had extensive knowledge even from their headquarters (it used Eva's body with updated protocols to access it). Why would she have a block preventing her from giving vital Cerberus information?

Besides, an organization that, as you said, would have been so extensive and independent wouldn't function so well. More people working on it, more chances of leaks and betrayal.

Now, it's true that TIM wouldn't just let Cerberus die all of a sudden, but this doesn't automatically imply he would send his people to Andromeda. One thing has nothing to do with other. He was a control freaky (as Joker puts it). He didn't expect his headquarters being found out and destroyed either, or the attack that all his fronts suffered in the novel with Anderson and Kahlee. It was just one big mess after another and he wasn't in the least all powerful as you imagine.

In fact, everything he's ever done turned out to bite him in the ass. It was hilarious. As Hackett put it: "If the Illusive Man is good at one thing, it's finding new ways to subvert science, it's never worked for him before, and it won't now."

Rachni, husks, Shepard, EDI, Eva's body, Aria, Petrovsky, adjutants, Miranda, Project Overlord, Kai Leng (whose interference led Shepard right into his doorstep), reaper tech. And that's only the ones we know. Everything turned against him. If "Come with us, we're going to destroy you and ourselves" was a slogan, it would be Cerberus's. That's the epitome of incompetence.

Because this isn't a Super Mario game and we will not fight Bowser over and over again. Fortunately.

That is what I said, and no, I don't really believe in the world Dragon Age sets up. Yes, though, that is what I meant, but it's 5:30 in the morning, so cut me a bit of slack. I'm also unsure as to why you bolded the part about them both being fiction. I am aware of this. The one that I said was more realistic, Mass Effect, was the one I pointed out specifically to be fiction, so it's not like I was arguing that.

You answered your own question. A plot hole. That doesn't mean Cerberus just ceases to exist, though. Omitting them would still be contradictory. Just because they've been riddled with plot holes in the past doesn't mean it wouldn't be another plot hole to leave them out. You don't fight plot holes with plot holes. 

Regardless of the fact that they built EDI, why would they build one system that had completely unrestricted access to every facet of their secret organization, and put it on the ship of a crew of people and aliens that don't trust Cerberus? Either A.) They didn't. Or B.) Another plot hole. 

And Cerberus does leak. You intercept them in the first game as an Alliance soldier.

He would probably send SOME people to Andromeda. Not ALL of them. He would surely have people back home that could maintain the organization in the meantime. I simply do not buy that he wouldn't plant agents in the Ai, though. It's way too big an opportunity. And I don't even think it's a secret one. At least, not a huge secret. They had hundreds of thousands of people from different races sign up for it. Did I say he was all powerful though? I don't think that was what I meant, if I did. Cerberus is powerful, and he leads it, but he's just a guy.

Again though, that doesn't have any bearing on anything in the Andromeda Initiative. TIM is dead, and he knew he'd be dead before the project even truly began. That doesn't mean he wouldn't see it as some sort of investment for the future. 

I'm not arguing that TIM should be in Andromeda, or involved in it in any way. I'm just saying that Cerberus should. It shouldn't be ignored completely, because that would create even more plot holes. Adding Cerberus now is a chance to make them feel more legitimate. 

Disregarding staples of the series doesn't benefit it. Improving them does. 

Yes, and you and I agree that there are a lot of plot holes, and that's why Cerberus should stay the hell away from Andromeda because their existence to me is already a clusterfuck, their poor explanation for everything. The guy has been with Reaper Tech for 30 years, for fuck's sake!! And he resurrected the greatest threat to his cuttlefish masters (while they were looking for the body just the same as the Collectors, WTF!!) just to turn on our protagonist 6 months later!!

But, don't worry. I'm sure at least their existence will be mentioned at some point, in the game.

If its Cerberus were talking about, you REMOVE. With extreme prejudice.

Were done with them.

That's not what I was getting at, but I'm pretty sure you know that, and are just blatantly misrepresenting what I've said. You can read the last comment I posted before this one. Hopefully that will clear things up. 

What if the secret reason behind it is that the founders are all indoctrinated by the reapers? The reapers wanting them to take their reaper tech to andromeda and spread their influence and allow them to conquer all the galaxies. trolololol

As I said in the other thread, I really hope that Cerberus doesn't show up in Andromeda or any future titles/DLC. They have already served their (rather redundant) purpose in the previous trilogy, their arc is finished and there is nothing more that can be said about them that won't come across as just a complete rehash of ME 1-3 story points. I'm already leery of the Krogan getting a narrative presence concerning the "future of their people" when we had over a quarter of the last three games dealing with the same subject matter, so bringing in Cerberus and their "advancement of humanity" shtick is really going to start reeking of a writing team with no more original ideas.

Cerberus was an unabashed writer's pet that got way more narrative spotlight in the games and secondary media than was necessary; I mean a human supremacist organization operating in a setting wherein humanity is already dominating is asinine enough, but to continue to throw them to the forefront of everything, even moreso than the Reapers in ME 3 was really grating. It's time for some new stories BioWare, if you're going to bring over some more baggage from the Milky Way then at least do it with some facet of the setting that hasn't already been done to death. Species like the Rachni and Elcor have some rather compelling narratives to tell I'll wager; it would certainly be more original and compelling then having another: "Cerberus did it!" plot at any rate.

It's be funny though with no masters they'd ultimately still have to find their own way.  Though, they could still have masters depending on the outcome of ME3.  I think this would tie I right back into problems with no canon ending.

Actually no one wants to be reminded the Reapers wiped everyone we knew and just about everyone in the Milky Way so we're all that's left of our civilization therefore we need to drown in whiskey because much depressing now that everyone is dead and we're alone - wait, is this ME3?

Agreed, but think of the disappointment if the AI is in fact exactly what it seems.