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Post by leonick on Feb 3, 2017 8:33:34 GMT
This game is being released not long after Zelda and Horizon, two other open world games that have so far gotten MUCH better reception and have garned a lot more excitement, and you know gamers are gonna compare them to ME:A. Both of which are exclusive, those always get a lot more excitement not to mention marketing push by the console manufacturer... Not to mention one is bloody Zelda. Doesn't matter what they do, they'll have trouble competing with excitement for those titles, on the bright side, they don't really have to. The 'box of trolls': be they 'it sucks', 'SJW-fest', 'BioWare are racists' are out in force. til all dissenters are trolls Well the latter two categories for the most part are, and if not they're irrelevant, so is anyone that has already decided it sucks. A gameplay trailer isn't going to change their opinion and even if it did I don't see how being one month or three months before release matters. You get the loads of negative comments for just about any upcoming large game, just how it is at this point.
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Post by vynticator on Feb 3, 2017 8:38:57 GMT
(A bit of copy/paste from what I said on /r/MassEffect, so here goes...) So on Neogaf, Shinobi has been saying for a while that we're suppose to get at least 15 minutes worth of gameplay footage in mid/late February. Well today he posted, gameplay previews are coming in 3 weeks: neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229580379&postcount=16272Now assuming Bioware isn't planning to release gameplay footage before then, it sounds like we're not getting long undoctored gameplay footage until late February, about a month away from release. Normally this wouldn't bug me too much, but there's been a lack of gameplay footage in general. Yes we have seen some, but the best we've seen was from the Game Awards, and the gameplay from the CES footage was just a bad demonstration. The amount of dislikes on that CES footage is a bit concerning. It's really no secret that ME:A is already very divisive amongst the gaming community. There's already so many people voicing out their disappointment over what they've seen so far, and many more voicing concern over the lack of gameplay. Now that we're getting closer and closer to release, I don't get why the marketing for this game is still so quite. They're had an uphill battle to climb ever since the ME3 controversy. They should've been going balls out with the marketing for ME:A from the very beginning. It's like they want this game to have mediocre sales. I'm excited for the game, and I want it to be good, but I gotta call it like I see it. The marketing for ME:A has been really bad. You can't go anwhere, whether it'd be Youtube, Reddit, Neogaf, Gamespot, Gamefaqs, or any other outlet, without seeing a lot of people against this game. Comment sections are almost a 50/50 split between those excited and those disappointed/skeptical, and it's like Bioware doesn't even care. If they're really going to wait til late February to finally show us long undoctored gameplay footage, they NEED to pull out all the stops this time and show some impressive shit. This game is being released not long after Zelda and Horizon, two other open world games that have so far gotten MUCH better reception and have garned a lot more excitement, and you know gamers are gonna compare them to ME:A. It's friggin hard to defend this game at this point. Honestly, fella, chill out and wait for the game. If you're anxious, don't pre order, just wait for the reviews and/or demo and watch some YouTube live streams. It's not your role to defend the game, just wait for it to speak for itself. I'd personally prefer Bioware to be focusing on final tweaks. I'd guess they may be tweaking elements up to the wall and don't want to release gameplay footage which then is subject to change.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 3, 2017 8:41:51 GMT
I can't think of a reason why BW is deciding to show so little, honestly. IDK how they are doing their marketing at all. All I know is that the BW team thinks this game is going to sell like hot cakes. Weird considering that they are basically just using hype of NOT showing much to say its going to be pretty successful. IDK, I just hope this game is as good as the devs think it is. That I believe: that they stand behind their product.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 3, 2017 8:53:34 GMT
I too would like to see more gameplay footage since this is a game I'll be playing rather than watching on youtube.
That said, the only thing I'm looking to confirm in new gameplay footage is whether they have implemented adequate physics/hit feedback.
If you look at any of the current gameplay videos, enemies barely respond to getting hit. There's one instance where a small humanoid enemy gets hit by biotic charge and just kind of keels over (death animation). No physics. In ME2 you'd send Krogan flying with that move.
DA: I had something of this problem, too.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 3, 2017 9:36:27 GMT
I too would like to see more gameplay footage since this is a game I'll be playing rather than watching on youtube. That said, the only thing I'm looking to confirm in new gameplay footage is whether they have implemented adequate physics/hit feedback. If you look at any of the current gameplay videos, enemies barely respond to getting hit. There's one instance where a small humanoid enemy gets hit by biotic charge and just kind of keels over (death animation). No physics. In ME2 you'd send Krogan flying with that move. DA: I had something of this problem, too. Hmm... You're right. DA:I went almost completely against the hit physics. That said there were some explosive abilities that sent them flying into the air. Its prolly going to be more of the same from BW here - that there will only be a few abilities that you can see an effect of abilities. Naturally, when you shoot someone they are going to move if nothing else, to the ground because they are dead, so SOME physics have to be in place. Will be interesting to see going forward how they handle this.
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Post by Reznore on Feb 3, 2017 9:36:40 GMT
I haven't followed everything closely but I don't find the marketing that odd? I mean there's been what 5 /7 videos so far? The press is on it. There's some character kit ... What isn't happening so far is the spamming on Twitter and the romance reveal and the super long demo.(also game convention , but I think we're not in the good season for that?) But the romance reveal and the long gameplay demo caused backlash during DAI so perhaps they are more careful.
As for gameplay if they do what they did with DAI , meaning a few week before launch let youtuber play a couple of zones ...There's some zone some people might know by heart before getting the game.
Seriously though with Youtube and Twitch , I would wait for at least a month before launch. If that month is quiet , that would be worrying.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 3, 2017 10:04:22 GMT
i really do not see the issue here at all!! If one is really unsure then he should wait for the reception and first impressions once the game gets released. No Offense really at all OP (not talking about you) but the idiotnet these days: too much negativity and bitching. this is really idiotenet: check bioware new video at youtube regarding the voice actor of peebee, people are bitching about peebee beeing Sera without knowing peebee at all and as if Sera was a forced character... i do not know man, this is ridiculous.
I rememeber the false advertisement in Me3 AND inquisition (i love both of those games) with the ingame videos that were not part of the final prduct game, At least in Andromeda it seems i am not getting these.
SO in a nutshell yeah: Do not buy at launch if not sure, problem solved
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Post by FireAndBlood on Feb 3, 2017 10:06:44 GMT
I find the lack of uncut gameplay footage very annoying, I usually go dark this close to a games launch but I can't because I have yet to see actual gameplay.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 3, 2017 10:16:36 GMT
I find the lack of uncut gameplay footage very annoying, I usually go dark this close to a games launch but I can't because I have yet to see actual gameplay. i am honest: after trespasser i have no qualms about future bioware games. everything about it was top notch. Just have in mind that EVERY single biuoware game is different than its predecessors, me1 to me2 to me3 play all differently. Same for daO to da2 to daI. Do not approach meA with previous Mass effect games in mind. you will be dissapointed.
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Post by kumazan on Feb 3, 2017 10:29:29 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you:
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Post by coldsteelblue on Feb 3, 2017 10:37:43 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you: First look at MP, defo getting an ME3MP vibe from that, was that a Krogan & a helmet-less fem-Human? Wonder what deal of customisation you get on MP characters?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 3, 2017 10:45:25 GMT
I don't know where the game's divisiveness is coming from, all the media outlets I have been looking at outside of this forum, are looking forward to it. Putting among the very tops of their most anticipated games lists. ye4ah they have I've noticed that too.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 3, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
The Marketing for Andromeda has been very odd. Their strategy is intriguing, while we have been getting the Andromeda Initiative briefings the last few months, we haven't gotten a whole lot. It seems they are going to try to push as much marketing into the two months before launch. I am not a marketing expert, but it does seem weird. Also, I believe IGN has a lengthy Gameplay video that they should be releasing soon. Don't know how valid it is, I've just heard that floating about. But what we have seen has gradually excited me more and more. me as well. Other than the fact there's no pause to aim for powers there's been absolutely nothing that makes me concerned for the game. Pretty much everything else I've seen I like.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 3, 2017 10:52:28 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you: First look at MP, defo getting an ME3MP vibe from that, was that a Krogan & a helmet-less fem-Human? Wonder what deal of customisation you get on MP characters? Very slick Krogan charge/ground smash (nova?). All three biotic powers on display looked slick. Pull is now a bit like Lash apparently.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 3, 2017 10:58:11 GMT
I rememeber the false advertisement in Me3 AND inquisition (i love both of those games) with the ingame videos that were not part of the final prduct game, At least in Andromeda it seems i am not getting these. What did they showed in gameplay videos of ME3 that wasn't in the final game?
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Post by vonuber on Feb 3, 2017 12:08:40 GMT
I don't get this need for constant information, nor the whole building up of hype. Maybe I am just old now, but when it comes out it comes out, getting hyped up and tying yourself into incoherent rage or spasms of delirium over it is decidedly odd. I remember waiting for episode 4 and 5 of LIS to come out - sure it was a 3 or 4 month wait, but in the grand scheme of things? It's nothing. Certainly didn't get apoplectic with rage over the wait. Back in the good old days you'd only know something had come out when you saw it on the cover of a monthly magazine in a news agent, assuming the shop even sold them. You lot don't know your born
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 3, 2017 12:29:40 GMT
I don't really expect much beyond it being ME3's combat with another axis of movement and some animation tweaks, and that's what it seems to be shaping up to, which is A-OK with me. I'm more concerned about character showcasing and more bits about the actual world, which is really the thing that matters to me. Hell, gameplay certainly was not the original trilogy's strongest aspect, though ME3 did make major improvements that kept MP alive for a long time. But whatever. I saw a krogan slam. Consider me happy as a pig in something or other.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 3, 2017 12:34:50 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you: So case in point right here. That's A LOT of dislikes, and check out the comment section. Obviously there are plenty of people frustrated with the marketing too.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 3, 2017 12:42:45 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you: So case in point right here. That's A LOT of dislikes, and check out the comment section. Obviously there are plenty of people frustrated with the marketing too. Oh goody, a comments section to have some fun in Seriously though, I have to believe the dislikes are more associated with the concept of pre-ordering. On the trailers the dislikes are sub-10%, here they are much higher.
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Post by pdusen on Feb 3, 2017 13:55:51 GMT
This thread has a surprising burst of common sense in it.
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Post by crossngen on Feb 3, 2017 14:20:19 GMT
There you go, a further 2 secs of gameplay for you: So case in point right here. That's A LOT of dislikes, and check out the comment section. Obviously there are plenty of people frustrated with the marketing too. It has nothing to do with the marketing, it has everything to do that it's a pre-order video, if you've followed other games before release you'd see that a whole lot of pre-order/exclusive bullshit trailers get a lot of dislikes, because people are tired of that shit.
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Post by trwisco on Feb 3, 2017 14:35:59 GMT
I'm okay with them waiting till closer to release to show off the game in detail. Gives them the opportunity to finalize everything and then its fresh in peoples minds when they do show it. Not sure what good complaining about the marketing is gonna do for you OP. You're either going to buy the game or not, just like everyone else. Don't like the marketing too bad, they've shown off some of the game, there are quite a few videos to watch if you go back to that ghost riders in the sky video and watch them all up to the latest videos.
In the end I'd rather they wait till things are finalized before they show things off like they did with DAI.
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Post by velvetstraitjacket on Feb 3, 2017 14:44:50 GMT
You know, Andromeda's marketing has taught me one thing: people worry too much. Like, calm down. No need to get an ulcer or go bald because Bioware is taking their time showing us stuff. In the past, everyone was complaining that they were showing too much. Now they're being more reserved with their information flow, and suddenly it's the end of the fucking world.
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Post by fialka on Feb 3, 2017 15:09:57 GMT
I agree that most of the people who majorly criticize the game seem to be a vocal minority. A trailer comes out and before I even click on the thread I can expect those same ten posters who hate everything to go in and make several long posts criticizing it, and argue with people who don't criticize it, and then go on to criticize the lack of marketing. As if they're not going to look at that and be like 'rabba rabba pile of steaming crap now I'm definitely not buying this game, I know I say that every time but this time it's for reals yo' as well. I really do feel that some people are determined to hate this game, and would prefer to be proven right over how horrible it'll be than for it to be a success. Reasonable criticism is one thing - I've got a few concerns over things I'm not sure I'll like too, and questions I'm hoping get a satisfying answer in game - but when it's all negative all the time, and anyone who dares praise anything is accused of being a rabid fanboy, I stop taking it seriously. And don't even get me started on the SJW blah blah pandering agenda blah crap (fortunately that's mostly absent on these forums). /RANT And frankly, at this point I don't care if those angry people end up loving the game so their shriveled little hearts can grow two sizes too big, or if the game ends up terrible after all so they can feel vindicated and shout 'I told you so!' I want to play it. I'm excited. I'll buy the game even if I see nothing else until release. And I'm 99% sure I'll love it. I'll love it even if the haters hate it. Maybe it won't be perfect. Maybe I'll dislike this or that specific thing. But I know I'll love the overall experience. Just like I did with every Bioware game I've played - even the ones I liked the least. Personally I think the marketing is fine. Inquisition's marketing was major overkill, and I feel like it gave too much away. And it made the wait feel really really long. If anything I think the ME team made the mistake of revealing those teasers so early. I'd much rather they have not announced anything until less than a year before launch, then spaced stuff out. The solution is simple: If you're not sure you'll like the game, don't pre-order yet. There's zero benefit to doing so now versus a few days before release. Hell, the Origin access trial starts five days before launch. I'm sure people will post videos sowing off gameplay for you to watch before the trial's up, if all the other marketing we'll surely get over the next 6 weeks, including that longer demo we've been told we'll get from a number of sources, still doesn't satisfy you (somehow I predict it won't). Make your decision then. And in the meantime, quit being such killjoys.
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Post by jagaro on Feb 3, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
I agree that most of the people who majorly criticize the game seem to be a vocal minority. A trailer comes out and before I even click on the thread I can expect those same ten posters who hate everything to go in and make several long posts criticizing it, and argue with people who don't criticize it, and then go on to criticize the lack of marketing. As if they're not going to look at that and be like 'rabba rabba pile of steaming crap now I'm definitely not buying this game, I know I say that every time but this time it's for reals yo' as well. I really do feel that some people are determined to hate this game, and would prefer to be proven right over how horrible it'll be than for it to be a success. Reasonable criticism is one thing - I've got a few concerns over things I'm not sure I'll like too, and questions I'm hoping get a satisfying answer in game - but when it's all negative all the time, and anyone who dares praise anything is accused of being a rabid fanboy, I stop taking it seriously. And don't even get me started on the SJW blah blah pandering agenda blah crap (fortunately that's mostly absent on these forums). /RANT And frankly, at this point I don't care if those angry people end up loving the game so their shriveled little hearts can grow two sizes too big, or if the game ends up terrible after all so they can feel vindicated and shout 'I told you so!' I want to play it. I'm excited. I'll buy the game even if I see nothing else until release. And I'm 99% sure I'll love it. I'll love it even if the haters hate it. Maybe it won't be perfect. Maybe I'll dislike this or that specific thing. But I know I'll love the overall experience. Just like I did with every Bioware game I've played - even the ones I liked the least. Personally I think the marketing is fine. Inquisition's marketing was major overkill, and I feel like it gave too much away. And it made the wait feel really really long. If anything I think the ME team made the mistake of revealing those teasers so early. I'd much rather they have not announced anything until less than a year before launch, then spaced stuff out. The solution is simple: If you're not sure you'll like the game, don't pre-order yet. There's zero benefit to doing so now versus a few days before release. Hell, the Origin access trial starts five days before launch. I'm sure people will post videos sowing off gameplay for you to watch before the trial's up, if all the other marketing we'll surely get over the next 6 weeks, including that longer demo we've been told we'll get from a number of sources, still doesn't satisfy you (somehow I predict it won't). Make your decision then. And in the meantime, quit being such killjoys. Thank you for that.
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