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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 2:34:51 GMT
We have 1 uninterrupted video where a character walks for 3 minutes and clicks on 2 plants. Rest is short gameplay trailers with spliced up footage in random order, little-to-none context and majority of scenes just seconds-long. Every other AAA game at this stage has multiple long detailed gameplay videos. Many have those months and years prior to release. What else is to say? That EA is so brilliant they will revolutionize marketing lol? Please If they are releasing detailed video game demos years before the games released, especially given the changeable nature of video games, then they are idiots. See Crestwood.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 4, 2017 2:48:56 GMT
Gameplay is coming folks. And it will be awesome! To be honest, the first full gameplay trailer got me more pumped for this game more than any of the other games. I think Bioware remembers the fallout of ME3 and has taken special care of their new game. We all loved the previous ones which is why we are here so obviously we'll at least love this one mechanics wise given the improvements. Even if the story doesn't stack up to ME 1-3's stories, we all know bioware is good at pacing and presentation (something many game companies get wrong). No offense to certain other companies but usually when there is too much marketing especially early on for a AAA title, the game ends up being sort of lack luster. (cough cough ubisoft). Horizon Zero Dawn didn't have much footage out there until recently and we're less than a month from release. horizon zero dawn had full gameplay videos a year ago...
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 4, 2017 2:50:39 GMT
If they are releasing detailed video game demos years before the games released, especially given the changeable nature of video games, then they are idiots. See Crestwood. Or see dozens of example in the industry where games showcased early still delivered and then some more.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 4, 2017 2:52:00 GMT
We have 1 uninterrupted video where a character walks for 3 minutes and clicks on 2 plants. Rest is short gameplay trailers with spliced up footage in random order, little-to-none context and majority of scenes just seconds-long. Every other AAA game at this stage has multiple long detailed gameplay videos. Many have those months and years prior to release. What else is to say? That EA is so brilliant they will revolutionize marketing lol? Please If they are releasing detailed video game demos years before the games released, especially given the changeable nature of video games, then they are idiots. See Crestwood. mea was announced nearly 3 years ago and still nothing of substance as of yet.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 4, 2017 2:55:52 GMT
Yes, I'm seeing pessimism in those threads. The 'box of trolls'*: be they 'it sucks', 'SJW-fest', 'BioWare are racists' are out in force. Though look at YouTube 'likes' for example, the reaction is >90% favorable. Even in our own 'Skepticism thread' a poll reaction to a 'will it suck' question was 85%: 'no it won't'.For that reason, I don't see the number of pessimistic posts as representative by their proportion, of the wider audience. That said, do BioWare need to get on with the marketing now? Yes, I think so. EDIT: *That's not to say all commentary that criticizes the game, or BioWare's political stance is trolling. I was picking out those that take an extreme view seemingly for effect. The retained salt from the ME3 ending is pretty much the fuel that keeps the hardcore pessimistic crowd flowing. In a way, the love for Mass Effect is so strong to hold the salt for half a decade like it was yesterday, it's pretty amazing really. I know I'm in the minority being happy with the endings (with EC/Lev/Cit included, obviously lol), but I think it stands testament to the awesomeness of the franchise for people to passionately hammer the game with negative vibes this long after the controversy. I bet 95% of those who are that passionate about the game like that, are still going to buy ME:A on the sly (as long as it's critically well received as a minor caveat). Also, yes...BioWare really does need to start the advertising now....the Pre-order bonus trailer is a good start, but as soon as possible, they need YT pumping out previews and flavormakers taking about the game in a hyping light - now is the time Mr Flynn, let's do this!!
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 3:06:06 GMT
If they are releasing detailed video game demos years before the games released, especially given the changeable nature of video games, then they are idiots. See Crestwood. How many years until ME:A is out?... The year is 2022 and Bioware is the new unmoral corporation in New Earth, only one group of heroes can defeat them! The Powerfull Three Ending Warriors!
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Post by jamiecotc on Feb 4, 2017 3:30:03 GMT
*snip* So far I think the best marketing by far has been the Initiative briefings. And believe it or not, I don't want this game to fail, and I try not to be negative. I understand why Bioware wants to play it safe when it comes to marketing (not revealing too much), but I think this close to release we should have substantially more info. The briefings are the only thing that have gotten me hyped about the game. Honestly, gameplay vids or trailers have have left me lukewarm at best. The briefings really hype up the exploration and the adventure. The actual trailers leave me with the sad feeling that I've seen this all before, just dressed up in different clothing. I hope the game does well too. I hope it's an amazing tribute to the explorer in all of us. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by bshep on Feb 4, 2017 4:13:26 GMT
Yes, I'm seeing pessimism in those threads. The 'box of trolls'*: be they 'it sucks', 'SJW-fest', 'BioWare are racists' are out in force. Though look at YouTube 'likes' for example, the reaction is >90% favorable. Even in our own 'Skepticism thread' a poll reaction to a 'will it suck' question was 85%: 'no it won't'.For that reason, I don't see the number of pessimistic posts as representative by their proportion, of the wider audience. That said, do BioWare need to get on with the marketing now? Yes, I think so. EDIT: *That's not to say all commentary that criticizes the game, or BioWare's political stance is trolling. I was picking out those that take an extreme view seemingly for effect. The retained salt from the ME3 ending is pretty much the fuel that keeps the hardcore pessimistic crowd flowing. In a way, the love for Mass Effect is so strong to hold the salt for half a decade like it was yesterday, it's pretty amazing really. I know I'm in the minority being happy with the endings (with EC/Lev/Cit included, obviously lol), but I think it stands testament to the awesomeness of the franchise for people to passionately hammer the game with negative vibes this long after the controversy. I bet 95% of those who are that passionate about the game like that, are still going to buy ME:A on the sly (as long as it's critically well received as a minor caveat). Also, yes...BioWare really does need to start the advertising now....the Pre-order bonus trailer is a good start, but as soon as possible, they need YT pumping out previews and flavormakers taking about the game in a hyping light - now is the time Mr Flynn, let's do this!! Took the words from my mouth my friend. Well so far we have stil two Briefings to go plus the gameplay video they promissed, while i do hope they show a bit more of the game i also hope that they will keep the lid on the story until the release date.
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Post by n7vakarian on Feb 4, 2017 6:02:58 GMT
I think their doing something similar to fallout 4 that barely had any gameplay footage out for it till it dropped
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 4, 2017 6:04:07 GMT
I think their doing something similar to fallout 4 that barely had any gameplay footage out for it till it dropped Except Bethesda showed a ton of footage a few months before Fallout 4 came out, whereas Bioware has not.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 4, 2017 14:46:03 GMT
Even Pillars of Eternity 2 has shown more, and that game was literally announced 10 days ago. I'm really not sure what to think after this dreadful marketing campaign and the closure of the official forums. Bioware seems to have no faith in this game.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 4, 2017 15:07:45 GMT
I don't understand people, The gameplay will come when it does. As long it comes out before the game it is good. Those that are sceptic are going to wait until the game has got some reviews anyway (otherwise they are idiots and can't blame Bioware or EA) and those that have pre-ordered it will either trust Bioware or wait till they have seen the gameplay. I don't see how it is proof of anything other than that Bioware are apparently confidence that even with a "late" gameplay it will sell.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 4, 2017 15:30:36 GMT
People talk about Crestwood as if was something unique in gaming, a game that shows something and ends up not having it. Bioshock Infinite, for example, showed an entire 10 minutes long segment that wasn't even in the final game. Indeed, there was not anything in the game with that scope. Not to mention, the Crestwood gameplay was obviously very early in the game's development and it wasn't even officially released by EA. It was only available in the internet because someone filmed it.
Indeed, ME1 did that as well. There are like three ME1 games that we saw trailers of and were not the final. But ME1 didn't get the backslash (in this the correct word?) that DAI got because people liked the first Mass Effect. Same thing for The Last of Us, albeit its gameplay was much closer to the final game. This happened even with TW3.
If the final game delivers, a company will not suffer from early gameplay videos being a little bit, or even a lot, different from the final game. It's all about the quality of the final game and people reaction to it.
I cannot believe, therefore, that ME's marketing is trying to hard not to be like DAI's. Indeed, according to EA DAI had the most successful launch in Bioware history. So it stands to reason that MEA should have a very similar marketing.
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Post by darcon on Feb 4, 2017 15:53:56 GMT
Naturally people were burned badly by the ME3 (myself as well) the ending that happened simple shouldn't made it as far as it did, granted the extended cut (which should have been part of the game already) and the citadel dlc was awesome. DA:I is what put some faith back into bioware for me. But like many others yeah I they need to start pushing marketing more if they want this to do much better.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 4, 2017 15:58:15 GMT
It's funny...halo wars 2 is in the same boat as MEA.
It drives me NUTS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 15:59:14 GMT
Bioware is taking the careful route with this one. After the shitstorm of the ME3 ending, they don't want to reveal much or promise much (we don't even know if our decisions in this game will carry over to future ones, or if it will be that impactful).
After the dust settles and Andromeda is well accepted (if), they might return to usual marketing.
But I think we can all agree that every game that is rushed ends up being shitty, one way or another. That is not the case with this one.
Five years, am I right?
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 4, 2017 16:11:23 GMT
Bioware is taking the careful route with this one. After the shitstorm of the ME3 ending, they don't want to reveal much or promise much (we don't even know if our decisions in this game will carry over to future ones, or if it will be that impactful). After the dust settles and Andromeda is well accepted (if), they might return to usual marketing. But I think we can all agree that every game that is rushed ends up being shitty, one way or another. That is not the case with this one. Five years, am I right? I disagree in both of your points. Remember how badly received DA2 was? And DAI's marketing was thorough, with many gameplay videos and stuff. The exact opposite of MEA's. And indeed, people were very hyped about DAI to the point it was the best launch in Bioware history. And a 5 years game can indeed be rushed. Development time alone does not say anything about a game being rushed or not because we simply cannot know how that development went.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 16:15:38 GMT
Bioware is taking the careful route with this one. After the shitstorm of the ME3 ending, they don't want to reveal much or promise much (we don't even know if our decisions in this game will carry over to future ones, or if it will be that impactful). After the dust settles and Andromeda is well accepted (if), they might return to usual marketing. But I think we can all agree that every game that is rushed ends up being shitty, one way or another. That is not the case with this one. Five years, am I right? I disagree in both of your points. Remember how badly received DA2 was? And DAI's marketing was thorough, with many gameplay videos and stuff. The exact opposite of MEA's. And indeed, people were very hyped about DAI to the point it was the best launch in Bioware history. And a 5 years game can indeed be rushed. Development time alone does not say anything about a game being rushed or not because we simply cannot know how that development went. DAI was the very best game of Bioware to me. How was DA2 not rushed? It was released barely 2 years after the first one. Also, I'm not comparing ME marketing with DA marketing. Different teams. And if in 5 years they can't get their shit together, what the hell is going on there? "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - as Shigeru Miyamoto says. Thanks for ruining my hopes!
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Post by Arcian on Feb 4, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
The Marketing for Andromeda has been very odd. Their strategy is intriguing, while we have been getting the Andromeda Initiative briefings the last few months, we haven't gotten a whole lot. It seems they are going to try to push as much marketing into the two months before launch. I am not a marketing expert, but it does seem weird. They're trying to copy Fallout 4's wildly successful condensed marketing campaign (it was just shy of 5 months long between announcement and release), but as usual, they're making a mess of it.
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Post by zaefkol on Feb 4, 2017 16:42:02 GMT
I don't really know anything about marketing, so I can't judge how well it's being handled for MEA, but I'm actually kind of glad information has been a bit sparse.
Whenever a new game I want starts getting close to release, I tend to become a bit obsessive about watching, rewatching, and analyzing every bit of information that gets released about it. It becomes so much of a problem that I start to do it to the exclusion of actually playing any other games I might have (and I have quite a large backlog that I've bought and would eventually like to get through).
While I would certainly like to see more gameplay, I'm fine with them holding it back until a little closer to release.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 5, 2017 2:17:34 GMT
Yes, I'm seeing pessimism in those threads. The 'box of trolls'*: be they 'it sucks', 'SJW-fest', 'BioWare are racists' are out in force. Though look at YouTube 'likes' for example, the reaction is >90% favorable. Even in our own 'Skepticism thread' a poll reaction to a 'will it suck' question was 85%: 'no it won't'.For that reason, I don't see the number of pessimistic posts as representative by their proportion, of the wider audience. That said, do BioWare need to get on with the marketing now? Yes, I think so. EDIT: *That's not to say all commentary that criticizes the game, or BioWare's political stance is trolling. I was picking out those that take an extreme view seemingly for effect. The retained salt from the ME3 ending is pretty much the fuel that keeps the hardcore pessimistic crowd flowing. In a way, the love for Mass Effect is so strong to hold the salt for half a decade like it was yesterday, it's pretty amazing really. I know I'm in the minority being happy with the endings (with EC/Lev/Cit included, obviously lol), but I think it stands testament to the awesomeness of the franchise for people to passionately hammer the game with negative vibes this long after the controversy. I bet 95% of those who are that passionate about the game like that, are still going to buy ME:A on the sly (as long as it's critically well received as a minor caveat). Also, yes...BioWare really does need to start the advertising now....the Pre-order bonus trailer is a good start, but as soon as possible, they need YT pumping out previews and flavormakers taking about the game in a hyping light - now is the time Mr Flynn, let's do this!! Heh, more proof that Mass Effect is the Star Wars of video games...
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Post by slimgrin on Feb 5, 2017 2:34:28 GMT
I think their doing something similar to fallout 4 that barely had any gameplay footage out for it till it dropped Bethesda's last title was the most popular RPG of all time. They could afford the risk. EA can't. They simply don't have the same track record. Consider all the PR they rolled out for BF4 ahead of release. No one sits on a good thing. if you have a good thing, you show it.
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Post by kino on Feb 5, 2017 4:03:19 GMT
Actually, I've been pretty pleased with the way the games marketing has been so far. Enough to be tantalizing, not so much that plot spoilers are being seen. I'm not a fan of marketing where you know half the story before the game is actually released.
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Post by ledg on Feb 5, 2017 7:04:06 GMT
Same here.
And what happened with the whole month IGN coverage?
I though it was starting late January-early February or did I miss something?
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