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Post by Sartoz on Feb 3, 2017 15:30:52 GMT
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If there is a game play trailer coming up, I anticipate the latest date to be around Feb 17-24, 2017.
Main reason? Physical media..
Physical media requires time to press the discs, and box them into the DVD cases. Cases require a pre-approved artwork which probably is already done but the Rating stamp is still up in the air. The time is requires to press, which can be done in a couple of days. The biggest time sink is distribution across North America ( I don't know about Europe).
The calculation for the game going Gold (production) is Gold date = Game Launch date - (distribution time of physical media to brick and mortar stores).
Edit: Ooops. I hit POST before I completed my thoughts.
The game trailer could be from the production version. This means it will be as late as they can afford, given the above, if not, the trailer will be out earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:33:10 GMT
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 3, 2017 15:50:20 GMT
I imagine we haven't seen much because the gunplay itself isn't going to be that great. They can't really market much of the story without it being a spoiler fest so....
I mean, I can agree that we should see more, but I'm far more interested in things like inventory and crafting/gathering mechanics. Those mechanics are definitely things we should know more about imo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 16:05:23 GMT
I'd love a 10 minutes video where we can see some of the exploration part and get a real feeling from the game. Trailers are good but I'd love to see some actual gameplay.
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Post by degs29 on Feb 3, 2017 16:29:22 GMT
I don't know where the game's divisiveness is coming from, all the media outlets I have been looking at outside of this forum, are looking forward to it. Putting among the very tops of their most anticipated games lists. I'd suggest not looking at youtube comments then. I think the vast majority of people are really looking forward to it but, as is often the case, the naysayers are the loudest voices. With regards to showing gameplay, I'm happy with the amount they've shown. We pretty much have a handle on how combat works, and we got a sneak peek at how skills and leveling work. At this point, all I really want to see is how armor and weapon customization work.
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Post by traks on Feb 3, 2017 16:36:50 GMT
Not sure what the fuzz is about. Those that want to play the game on day one are probably sold with "just more Mass effect" and those that don't will know everything about the game two weeks after release and can/will make a decision based on that.
A BTW: My guess is that the ME fan base is big enough to sell well enough without showing everything before release.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 3, 2017 16:52:48 GMT
I agree that most of the people who majorly criticize the game seem to be a vocal minority. A trailer comes out and before I even click on the thread I can expect those same ten posters who hate everything to go in and make several long posts criticizing it, and argue with people who don't criticize it, and then go on to criticize the lack of marketing. As if they're not going to look at that and be like 'rabba rabba pile of steaming crap now I'm definitely not buying this game, I know I say that every time but this time it's for reals yo' as well. I really do feel that some people are determined to hate this game, and would prefer to be proven right over how horrible it'll be than for it to be a success. Reasonable criticism is one thing - I've got a few concerns over things I'm not sure I'll like too, and questions I'm hoping get a satisfying answer in game - but when it's all negative all the time, and anyone who dares praise anything is accused of being a rabid fanboy, I stop taking it seriously. And don't even get me started on the SJW blah blah pandering agenda blah crap (fortunately that's mostly absent on these forums). /RANT And frankly, at this point I don't care if those angry people end up loving the game so their shriveled little hearts can grow two sizes too big, or if the game ends up terrible after all so they can feel vindicated and shout 'I told you so!' I want to play it. I'm excited. I'll buy the game even if I see nothing else until release. And I'm 99% sure I'll love it. I'll love it even if the haters hate it. Maybe it won't be perfect. Maybe I'll dislike this or that specific thing. But I know I'll love the overall experience. Just like I did with every Bioware game I've played - even the ones I liked the least. Personally I think the marketing is fine. Inquisition's marketing was major overkill, and I feel like it gave too much away. And it made the wait feel really really long. If anything I think the ME team made the mistake of revealing those teasers so early. I'd much rather they have not announced anything until less than a year before launch, then spaced stuff out. The solution is simple: If you're not sure you'll like the game, don't pre-order yet. There's zero benefit to doing so now versus a few days before release. Hell, the Origin access trial starts five days before launch. I'm sure people will post videos sowing off gameplay for you to watch before the trial's up, if all the other marketing we'll surely get over the next 6 weeks, including that longer demo we've been told we'll get from a number of sources, still doesn't satisfy you (somehow I predict it won't). Make your decision then. And in the meantime, quit being such killjoys. The reason I think, and Ill count myself under the minority of criticizers on this site, is because the old bsn, you could get banned if they took comments the wrong way. I have hopes that ME:A will bring me into the ME happy family fold again but its going to be an uphill battle. Because really good space opera has spoiled me. ME1, Babylon 5, The Expanse, BSG, Firefly, Star Trek, and even Dark Matter. Oh and Star Gate, love it to bits. Is it so wrong to criticize something, esp if you want to to be good in the end, rather then letting everything go the way of "artistic integrity"??? From my understanding, the people who have the most vitriol towards this series, at one point, loved it unconditionally. So that's a whole lot of broken hearts to mend. Mine included. So even if I am labeled a Grinch of sorts, here's hoping Whoville Andromeda can change my mind.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 3, 2017 17:12:21 GMT
I think the game will be good. Great? Who knows, but I'm pretty confident it'll be decent. However, their marketing campaign has been among the worst I can ever remember for generating excitement. As anyone who's ever worked for a business before knows, company leaders have a tendency to overreact to things (in this case DAI overselling certain aspects) and instead go too far in the opposite direction. This also happened after DA2. Due to the criticisms of reusing maps and being stuck in a city, we instead got way too large maps and (nearly) no cities. I mean, seriously, find some middle ground lol.
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Post by slimgrin on Feb 3, 2017 17:28:54 GMT
The fact EA is releasing 10 hours for early access shows they're confident in the product. All the same, this is a very risky marketing move imo and one that can alienate their fan base. RPGs are complex things, and most RPG fans want to see the various facets of a title before they buy. They're kinda putting this off to the last minute.
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 3, 2017 17:38:25 GMT
I'm a negative Nancy, but Bioware earned that from me. I want nothing more than for this game to succeed. I hope I'm wrong about what I expect from it and I will be the first to post and say I was wrong and be happy to do it.
I think they are playing it safe this time with marketing. DAI marketing was bad, just terrible and it fit the game for me. That put me on a sour note for anything they put out after DAI. As a PC player, that game bombed at release. The port was terrible and the game didn't match what they showed us in early dev play. They never bothered to tell anyone that they had to scrap an important aspect that they marketed as being awesome. They also like to say "by PC gamers, for PC gamers" or something like that. Which couldn't have been further from the truth.
AS far as ME:A, they had several senior people leave in the middle of development, shutdown their forums, couple that with slim game play footage, and what I experienced as a PC player with DAI, then maybe you can see where my skepticism comes from.
I think at lease giving 10 to 15 min of non-staged game play footage showing mechanics and so forth is the right way to go about it for any dev. If there are people who don't want to see it, they don't have to watch, but at least give those that do a choice. I guess once it releases we will all know how well the marketing campaign went.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 17:40:20 GMT
I think they're doing the right thing tbh. When Fallout 3 came out they announced it very close to release getting everyone super hyped then boom, it's out to buy. No huge long wait building up anticipation, which then inevitably leads to people getting their hopes up, and then having unrealistic expectations because they've talked themselves to death on forums. Just here's the game....and now it's out. I think that might be a better strategy. Perhaps after the big long intro to DAI with the companions slowly being introduced and the hype building and building only for many to be disappointed, BioWare want to do a more quiet lead up to the game, then have an intense marketing campaign in the last few weeks. Wait till the middle of February and see what they're saying then.
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Post by longshadow on Feb 3, 2017 17:40:55 GMT
I imagine we haven't seen much because the gunplay itself isn't going to be that great. They can't really market much of the story without it being a spoiler fest so.... I mean, I can agree that we should see more, but I'm far more interested in things like inventory and crafting/gathering mechanics. Those mechanics are definitely things we should know more about imo. That's my main fear about the gameplay aspect of the game. If this turns out to be the truth it would be somehow ironic coming from a game engine that is mostly known for it's shooter titles like SW:Battlefront and the Battlefield series.
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Post by fialka on Feb 3, 2017 17:48:54 GMT
I think the game will be good. Great? Who knows, but I'm pretty confident it'll be decent. However, their marketing campaign has been among the worst I can ever remember for generating excitement. As anyone who's ever worked for a business before knows, company leaders have a tendency to overreact to things (in this case DAI overselling certain aspects) and instead go too far in the opposite direction. This also happened after DA2. Due to the criticisms of reusing maps and being stuck in a city, we instead got way too large maps and (nearly) no cities. I mean, seriously, find some middle ground lol. Have you read the hype thread? See, this is what gets me. And I'm not trying to single you out here, it's just I've seen statements like this all over the place and this is as good a time as any to address it. Plenty of people are excited. People on this very forum. Some of the reaction videos are adorable and hilarious because people are so excited about what we're being shown. So when I see things like 'the marketing is terrible no one's even excited,' you're not looking hard enough. Maybe you, yourself, aren't excited. That's fine. That's you. I can even understand why, to an extent. But you can't say it's super terrible, when it is in fact working really well for a lot of people. Myself included. Again, I can understand skepticism. I understand 'I don't think I'll like that particular thing' or questioning a design decision. I can understand being disappointed in past Bioware titles and being wary of that happening again. I was pretty disappointed by DA2 - I didn't like the three-personality system or what resulted from its rushed development time. Inquisition could've been an incredible game as it did a lot well, but I was a little let down despite liking it overall. I actually didn't mind ME3's ending all that much, but I didn't like the pacing and emphasis on action and that I lost control of my character somewhat. (Though, saying this, I did still enjoy these games overall and have re-played all of them.) So there's certainly a thread of "I really hope this game is as good as I want to be..." under all my hype. Especially since, as you say, Bioware has a tendency to over-correct in response to criticism. But that doesn't prevent me from liking things I see or at least being willing to give them a chance. And hoping (believing, even) they got it right this time. Rather than nit-picking every single trailer and screenshot and patting yourself on the back because you found some minor flaw and being all 'typical lazy Bioware lololol this game's gonna suck unlike Witcher 3.' (Again, not saying that's you as in you specifically, and I'm obviously exaggerating (mostly), but that's what I sometimes feel like I'm reading some days. )
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 3, 2017 17:55:17 GMT
I'm thinking/hoping that the blitzkrieg will come, and when it cometh it shall arrive with the force of 1000 Megaton town bombs, with trailers every other day and interviews/in-depth previews and gameplay dev walkthroughs scattered about the fury. This is my dream...kind of makes me sound like a mad dictator
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Post by danaxe on Feb 3, 2017 18:01:55 GMT
I dont care to wait till the last week before the game launches to get hyped with trailers and gameplays. The less they spend on marketing and editing out cuts of the game for trailers, the more money and time they have to actually work on the game. If the game is good, doesnt matter the ammount of marketing it had. Word of mouth and reviews is what will matter for the sales. Not pre-orders. Also, take in consideration, the less you see before launch, the more you will enjoy the fresh content when you are playing the game. DAI was so over hyped with content in trailers and gameplays, I spent my first playthrough always wondering when that scene from X trailer would show up, and all in all i felt like every major part of the game I had already seen at least a glimpse of it in trailers. I'd rather not have that feeling again. Fresh look, full surprise pls
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 3, 2017 18:21:47 GMT
Gameplay is coming folks. And it will be awesome! To be honest, the first full gameplay trailer got me more pumped for this game more than any of the other games. I think Bioware remembers the fallout of ME3 and has taken special care of their new game. We all loved the previous ones which is why we are here so obviously we'll at least love this one mechanics wise given the improvements.
Even if the story doesn't stack up to ME 1-3's stories, we all know bioware is good at pacing and presentation (something many game companies get wrong). No offense to certain other companies but usually when there is too much marketing especially early on for a AAA title, the game ends up being sort of lack luster. (cough cough ubisoft).
Horizon Zero Dawn didn't have much footage out there until recently and we're less than a month from release.
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on Feb 3, 2017 18:28:38 GMT
Yeah, I would like to have seen more of the game by now, but I understand they have their reasons. Hoping to see some good in-game footage for both SP and MP soon.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 3, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
I think the game will be good. Great? Who knows, but I'm pretty confident it'll be decent. However, their marketing campaign has been among the worst I can ever remember for generating excitement. As anyone who's ever worked for a business before knows, company leaders have a tendency to overreact to things (in this case DAI overselling certain aspects) and instead go too far in the opposite direction. This also happened after DA2. Due to the criticisms of reusing maps and being stuck in a city, we instead got way too large maps and (nearly) no cities. I mean, seriously, find some middle ground lol. Have you read the hype thread? See, this is what gets me. And I'm not trying to single you out here, it's just I've seen statements like this all over the place and this is as good a time as any to address it. Plenty of people are excited. People on this very forum. Some of the reaction videos are adorable and hilarious because people are so excited about what we're being shown. So when I see things like 'the marketing is terrible no one's even excited,' you're not looking hard enough. Maybe you, yourself, aren't excited. That's fine. That's you. I can even understand why, to an extent. But you can't say it's super terrible, when it is in fact working really well for a lot of people. Myself included. Again, I can understand skepticism. I understand 'I don't think I'll like that particular thing' or questioning a design decision. I can understand being disappointed in past Bioware titles and being wary of that happening again. I was pretty disappointed by DA2 - I didn't like the three-personality system or what resulted from its rushed development time. Inquisition could've been an incredible game as it did a lot well, but I was a little let down despite liking it overall. I actually didn't mind ME3's ending all that much, but I didn't like the pacing and emphasis on action and that I lost control of my character somewhat. (Though, saying this, I did still enjoy these games overall and have re-played all of them.) So there's certainly a thread of "I really hope this game is as good as I want to be..." under all my hype. Especially since, as you say, Bioware has a tendency to over-correct in response to criticism. But that doesn't prevent me from liking things I see or at least being willing to give them a chance. And hoping (believing, even) they got it right this time. Rather than nit-picking every single trailer and screenshot and patting yourself on the back because you found some minor flaw and being all 'typical lazy Bioware lololol this game's gonna suck unlike Witcher 3.' (Again, not saying that's you as in you specifically, and I'm obviously exaggerating (mostly), but that's what I sometimes feel like I'm reading some days. ) I guess I meant not generating excitement for myself, though based on the continuing presence of threads like these, I hardly feel alone. But you make some fair points about how excited other people are, so I certainly don't want to take anything away from that. Perhaps I'm too harsh on the marketing campaign - there is no perfect strategy that will satisfy everyone. As I've said, I do think the game will be good and I'm sure I'll end up pre-ordering it. It is just that my excitement mostly comes from my love of ME and BioWare rather than what they've shown us. With DAI I pre-ordered as soon as I could and stopped looking at spoilers months in advance. Now I am begging to see more, so it is quite a different feeling.
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Post by ravenous on Feb 3, 2017 18:34:48 GMT
speaking for myself here, but I trust Bioware and I do not need any footage since I don't really care. Though I do admit it would be nice to see one but don't care I don't need a gameplay video
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 4, 2017 0:18:13 GMT
Agree with everything said here, with the sole exception that I don't think that market strategy is a good one, but it is much better than spoiling the entire game early. People will always find things to rant about, especially if the creator did mistakes in the past, and Bioware surely did. I think there is always the vocal minority, but if something was reverse than it is, the current vocal minority would shut up and there would be a new one. Thats how it is. People need to realize that creating something is not a simple task and it can't be perfect. I'm sure that the people that rant over every single thing here didn't actually create anything in their life (art, music, written stuff, videos).
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 4, 2017 0:29:02 GMT
We'll see what's what afterwards.
If this is just the craziest marketing strategy in gaming, MEA will sell well and everything will go on as it is. If it's not and Andromeda fails to meet expectations, then we can look foward to heads rolling and structural changes in Bioware.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Feb 4, 2017 1:45:01 GMT
I agree that most of the people who majorly criticize the game seem to be a vocal minority. A trailer comes out and before I even click on the thread I can expect those same ten posters who hate everything to go in and make several long posts criticizing it, and argue with people who don't criticize it, and then go on to criticize the lack of marketing. As if they're not going to look at that and be like 'rabba rabba pile of steaming crap now I'm definitely not buying this game, I know I say that every time but this time it's for reals yo' as well. I really do feel that some people are determined to hate this game, and would prefer to be proven right over how horrible it'll be than for it to be a success. Reasonable criticism is one thing - I've got a few concerns over things I'm not sure I'll like too, and questions I'm hoping get a satisfying answer in game - but when it's all negative all the time, and anyone who dares praise anything is accused of being a rabid fanboy, I stop taking it seriously. And don't even get me started on the SJW blah blah pandering agenda blah crap (fortunately that's mostly absent on these forums). /RANT And frankly, at this point I don't care if those angry people end up loving the game so their shriveled little hearts can grow two sizes too big, or if the game ends up terrible after all so they can feel vindicated and shout 'I told you so!' I want to play it. I'm excited. I'll buy the game even if I see nothing else until release. And I'm 99% sure I'll love it. I'll love it even if the haters hate it. Maybe it won't be perfect. Maybe I'll dislike this or that specific thing. But I know I'll love the overall experience. Just like I did with every Bioware game I've played - even the ones I liked the least. Personally I think the marketing is fine. Inquisition's marketing was major overkill, and I feel like it gave too much away. And it made the wait feel really really long. If anything I think the ME team made the mistake of revealing those teasers so early. I'd much rather they have not announced anything until less than a year before launch, then spaced stuff out. The solution is simple: If you're not sure you'll like the game, don't pre-order yet. There's zero benefit to doing so now versus a few days before release. Hell, the Origin access trial starts five days before launch. I'm sure people will post videos sowing off gameplay for you to watch before the trial's up, if all the other marketing we'll surely get over the next 6 weeks, including that longer demo we've been told we'll get from a number of sources, still doesn't satisfy you (somehow I predict it won't). Make your decision then. And in the meantime, quit being such killjoys. I'm pretty sure I could name those exact ten. On the topic of marketing, I'd rather Bioware wait til they're ready and then unload on us with a bunch of cool shit rather than string it out over months with 30 second vignettes showing the exact same thing every week. Give us the material when it's ready and when the release date is locked in so that we can get hyped. Don't Emmalina this shit.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 4, 2017 2:23:15 GMT
Can someone name me JUST 1 triple A game where proper gameplay footage wasnt released till close to release date? MEA will launch in 47 days (42 days for the 10hour early start) and we still have no gameplay videos up yet.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 2:27:08 GMT
Can someone name me JUST 1 triple A game where proper gameplay footage wasnt released till close to release date? MEA will launch in 47 days (42 days for the 10hour early start) and we still have no gameplay videos up yet. We have 3 GP videos up.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 4, 2017 2:32:03 GMT
Can someone name me JUST 1 triple A game where proper gameplay footage wasnt released till close to release date? MEA will launch in 47 days (42 days for the 10hour early start) and we still have no gameplay videos up yet. We have 3 GP videos up. We have 1 uninterrupted video where a character walks for 3 minutes and clicks on 2 plants. Rest is short gameplay trailers with spliced up footage in random order, little-to-none context and majority of scenes just seconds-long. Every other AAA game at this stage has multiple long detailed gameplay videos. Many have those months and years prior to release. What else is to say? That EA is so brilliant they will revolutionize marketing lol? Please
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