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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 16:56:01 GMT
So was just wondering, the only races we know of in the andromeda galaxy are the remnant, the angara and the kett. So where is everyone else? I know without mass relays that we're confined to a single star cluster but I would assume with billions of years of advancement without reapers, they would have invented a speedy way to get around andromeda, possibly without mass effect technology. In ME1, there were dozens of new races and also mention of previous extinct civilisations. So how come we've not seen nor heard of other races? Below is a lost of all known civilisations/beings in the milky way, many of which were in ME1 Clearly a faulty assumption. Look at our reality. We've had millions of years of the development of life here on Earth without Reapers and have yet to truly leave even this single planet or actually break the speed of light barrier. The only species we really know of in our entire galaxy are those we find here on Earth... and the only one we really give credit for being sapient are humans. Mass Effect's timeline starts in 2183... a mere 165 years into our future. It's really, really doubtful that we will have developed a speedy way to get around our galaxy by even that time. Why would you assume then that the Andromedans would have necessarily done so. Furthermore, Andromeda is a younger galaxy than the Milky Way. Bioware might just be taking a more realistic approach to the timeline of their development... and a reasonable timeline was something that was seriously lacking in the MET right from the beginnings of ME1. Maybe travel beyond the Helios Cluster is not something the Andromeda species we will encounter have yet mastered. It may be also that their ability to travel within the cluster is fairly limited as well.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 16:57:05 GMT
None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why? 1. Maybe it is or used to be the Khett and Remnant home sector. 2. Maybe the invention of FTL -Something that used to bring the Remnant who maybe hate species traveling in FTL in to attack the race that is developing and testing FTL. The remnant wipe out said race -or close to it. Some survive make it to other stars clusters -maybe ones like the Angarans. Over the eons the news of a species who destroys species traveling in FTL in the Helius cluster spreads. This creates fear, terror, superstition or all three of the said cluster and only the brave venture there. 3. Non-sequetered by 2 ... The Remnant have disappeared... or at least become a husk of what they were before. Only the Angarans braved their space and now see them gone. So the Andromedian races are like us venturing here too... just they slower than us and taking a while to get here to the Helius cluster. 4. Avoid people picking them apart to decide who is good or bad or exactly who's side who is on. Its possible the remnant could have been a type III civilisation at one time in the galaxy without the reapers. After all the word remnant means 'part of' suggesting that they were something bigger. Maybe they are the counterparts to the leviathan in the andromeda cluster in terms of their technological prowess but they continued their evolution while the reapers harvested the leviathan and other races. But in the ME lore, it is suggested that advanced civilisations like the protheons for example, uplifted more primative societies rather than prevent them from obtaining FTL technology. I don't know, perhaps the remnant have different philosophy. I hope there are more alien species in this game than 3 because part of the fun was learning about new civilisations. Something would have had to happen on a galactic level to prevent more races from achieving advanced FTL. The Milky way had the excuse of the reapers, but I don't know if they will use the same tactic with andromeda, a powerful more advanced race preventing other races from advancing to secure dominance.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:00:41 GMT
at least compare MEA with just ME1, comparing it with three games at once is unfair. And I mean vanilla ME1, before Batarian DLC Batarian DLC? I don't know what ME1 you were playing. But I pointed out in the original post we still had most of these races in ME1 already. I don't see what your point is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 17:02:46 GMT
There could be plenty of reasons. eg: 1. We're going to a single cluster, not flying across half the galaxy. 2. The Andromadeans have a different form of FTL tech which doesn't allow for mass relay-scale travel. 3. The Remnant were the dominant galactic force and ruled over the other species until... something. 4. There are more species and BW just wanted to keep them under wraps. None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why? 1) Technology. 2) We don't know that they had billions of years yet. This is your assumption. 3) Remember protheans? Not vague at all. 4) Development cost.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 8, 2017 17:04:38 GMT
at least compare MEA with just ME1, comparing it with three games at once is unfair. And I mean vanilla ME1, before Batarian DLC Batarian DLC? I don't know what ME1 you were playing. But I pointed out in the original post we still had most of these races in ME1 already. I don't see what your point is. They are referring to the Bring Down the Sky DLC for Mass Effect 1. That DLC was the introduction of Batarians into the Mass Effect series, other than mentions and a Codex entry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 17:08:13 GMT
at least compare MEA with just ME1, comparing it with three games at once is unfair. And I mean vanilla ME1, before Batarian DLC Batarian DLC? I don't know what ME1 you were playing. But I pointed out in the original post we still had most of these races in ME1 already. I don't see what your point is. He means BDtS (Bring Down the Sky). Of those you listed, the only ones mentioned in ME1 were: 1) Batarians (mentioned in Shepard's Torfan background but not shown in the game outside of the BDtS DLC) 2) Krogan 3) Asari 4) Turians 5) Salarians 6) Hanar 8) Quarians 9) Humans 10) Elcor 11) Volus 12) Keepers 13) Geth 17) Reapers 21) Thorian 22) Protheans (mentioned but not shown) 26) Rachni 27) Thorian
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:09:03 GMT
So was just wondering, the only races we know of in the andromeda galaxy are the remnant, the angara and the kett. So where is everyone else? I know without mass relays that we're confined to a single star cluster but I would assume with billions of years of advancement without reapers, they would have invented a speedy way to get around andromeda, possibly without mass effect technology. In ME1, there were dozens of new races and also mention of previous extinct civilisations. So how come we've not seen nor heard of other races? Below is a lost of all known civilisations/beings in the milky way, many of which were in ME1 Clearly a faulty assumption. Look at our reality. We've had millions of years of the development of life here on Earth without Reapers and have yet to truly leave even this single planet or actually break the speed of light barrier. The only species we really know of in our entire galaxy are those we find here on Earth... and the only one we really give credit for being sapient are humans. Mass Effect's timeline starts in 2183... a mere 165 years into our future. It's really, really doubtful that we will have developed a speedy way to get around our galaxy by even that time. Why would you assume then that the Andromedans would have necessarily done so. Furthermore, Andromeda is a younger galaxy than the Milky Way. Bioware might just be taking a more realistic approach to the timeline of their development.... and a reasonable timeline was something that was seriously lacking in the MET right from the beginnings of ME1. Well, humans have only been around 100,000 years and human civilisation has only been around 10,000 or so years. I mean its not clearly a faulty assumption because your rationale is not logical. The universe was around for 10 billion+ years before earth was even created, let alone had life on it. Its quite possible humans are late to the game in the universe. Just because we can't do it doesn't negate the ample opportunity for other sapient life to do so, does it? What exactly is stopping them, if they had a lot more time than us, or are smarter than us? Also when you say andromeda is younger than the milky way, that doesn't matter because all a galacy is, is a gravity well around which stars move around. The stars themselves still existed before galaxy formation. Our galaxy will collide with andromeda and form a new galaxy in the future, does that mean that sentient species in this new galaxy could only start when this new galaxy is formed? That doesn't make sense.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 8, 2017 17:11:36 GMT
Probably passed the event horizon and wound up in hell. That is one seriously fucking underrated science fiction horror masterpiece. Sam Neill is from my hometown too, good dude.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:14:36 GMT
Batarian DLC? I don't know what ME1 you were playing. But I pointed out in the original post we still had most of these races in ME1 already. I don't see what your point is. He means BDtS (Bring Down the Sky). Of those you listed, the only ones mentioned in ME1 were: 1) Batarians (mentioned in Shepard's Torfan background but not shown in the game outside of the BDtS DLC) 2) Krogan 3) Asari 4) Turians 5) Salarians 6) Hanar 8) Quarians 9) Humans 10) Elcor 11) Volus 12) Keepers 13) Geth 17) Reapers 21) Thorian 22) Protheans (mentioned but not shown) 26) Rachni 27) Thorian Many of the extinct races I think were also mentioned in ME1. Without batarians, thats still 20 races as opposed to 3 races if you want to compare ME1 to ME:A. So is the point not mute anyway which was my point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 17:24:15 GMT
Clearly a faulty assumption. Look at our reality. We've had millions of years of the development of life here on Earth without Reapers and have yet to truly leave even this single planet or actually break the speed of light barrier. The only species we really know of in our entire galaxy are those we find here on Earth... and the only one we really give credit for being sapient are humans. Mass Effect's timeline starts in 2183... a mere 165 years into our future. It's really, really doubtful that we will have developed a speedy way to get around our galaxy by even that time. Why would you assume then that the Andromedans would have necessarily done so. Furthermore, Andromeda is a younger galaxy than the Milky Way. Bioware might just be taking a more realistic approach to the timeline of their development.... and a reasonable timeline was something that was seriously lacking in the MET right from the beginnings of ME1. Well, humans have only been around 100,000 years and human civilisation has only been around 10,000 or so years. I mean its not clearly a faulty assumption because your rationale is not logical. The universe was around for 10 billion+ years before earth was even created, let alone had life on it. Its quite possible humans are late to the game in the universe. Just because we can't do it doesn't negate the ample opportunity for other sapient life to do so, does it? What exactly is stopping them, if they had a lot more time than us, or are smarter than us? Also when you say andromeda is younger than the milky way, that doesn't matter because all a galacy is, is a gravity well around which stars move around. The stars themselves still existed before galaxy formation. Our galaxy will collide with andromeda and form a new galaxy in the future, does that mean that sentient species in this new galaxy could only start when this new galaxy is formed? That doesn't make sense. Life of earth developed long before humans came on the scene... but, so far, there is no solid evidence of any species that has left our planet in the past and no solid evidence of species that flit about the Milky Way either. It's all a product, so far, of our imagination. That's why they call this science FICTION. What you're assuming about Andromeda makes no sense given the reality we know of our galaxy which has had the equally long ability to spawn sentient life as Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 17:27:34 GMT
He means BDtS (Bring Down the Sky). Of those you listed, the only ones mentioned in ME1 were: 1) Batarians (mentioned in Shepard's Torfan background but not shown in the game outside of the BDtS DLC) 2) Krogan 3) Asari 4) Turians 5) Salarians 6) Hanar 8) Quarians 9) Humans 10) Elcor 11) Volus 12) Keepers 13) Geth 17) Reapers 21) Thorian 22) Protheans (mentioned but not shown) 26) Rachni 27) Thorian Many of the extinct races I think were also mentioned in ME1. Without batarians, thats still 20 races as opposed to 3 races if you want to compare ME1 to ME:A. So is the point not mute anyway which was my point. No, your post has no point other than to complain about Bioware not drawing enough fictional aliens to suit your fancy. The number of races in Andromeda could be far fewer... maybe there are just far fewer inhabitable planets. We know now that Andromeda has lots of stars... but we know nothing about the planets that orbit those stars. The reality is that we, here on earth, could actually still be the only sentient life in the universe... unlikely; but still possible.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:30:56 GMT
Well, humans have only been around 100,000 years and human civilisation has only been around 10,000 or so years. I mean its not clearly a faulty assumption because your rationale is not logical. The universe was around for 10 billion+ years before earth was even created, let alone had life on it. Its quite possible humans are late to the game in the universe. Just because we can't do it doesn't negate the ample opportunity for other sapient life to do so, does it? What exactly is stopping them, if they had a lot more time than us, or are smarter than us? Also when you say andromeda is younger than the milky way, that doesn't matter because all a galacy is, is a gravity well around which stars move around. The stars themselves still existed before galaxy formation. Our galaxy will collide with andromeda and form a new galaxy in the future, does that mean that sentient species in this new galaxy could only start when this new galaxy is formed? That doesn't make sense. Life of earth developed long before humans came on the scene... but, so far, there is no solid evidence of any species that has left our planet in the past and no solid evidence of species that flit about the Milky Way either. It's all a product, so far, of our imagination. That's why they call this science FICTION. What you're assuming about Andromeda makes no sense given the reality we know of our galaxy which has had the equally long ability to spawn sentient life as Andromeda. You do realise that we've only looked at about 100 light years in our own galaxy and have used radio signals at pi*hydrogen to look for alien radio signals to find alien life, a frequency an alien race would not use to communicate. By your logic, it would be looking at the corner of a room, not seeing any humans and concluding that there is no sentient life on earth. The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence. Mathematically it is not possible for humans to be the only sentient race in our galaxy. If you truly believe that then we can all go back to the dark ages were humans were 'special', the centre of the universe and gods creation.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:33:07 GMT
Many of the extinct races I think were also mentioned in ME1. Without batarians, thats still 20 races as opposed to 3 races if you want to compare ME1 to ME:A. So is the point not mute anyway which was my point. No, your post has no point other than to complain about Bioware not drawing enough fictional aliens to suit your fancy. The number of races in Andromeda could be far fewer... maybe there are just far fewer inhabitable planets. We know now that Andromeda has lots of stars... but we know nothing about the planets that orbit those stars. The reality is that we, here on earth, could actually still be the only sentient life in the universe... unlikely; but still possible. Theres no need to get personal, this is a speculation thread. At no point did I berate other people for their opinion. This is a game about alien races, not reality. Do you think having fewer races in a galaxy at least twice the size of ours is something the writers are likely to write about?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 8, 2017 17:41:32 GMT
Life of earth developed long before humans came on the scene... but, so far, there is no solid evidence of any species that has left our planet in the past and no solid evidence of species that flit about the Milky Way either. It's all a product, so far, of our imagination. That's why they call this science FICTION. What you're assuming about Andromeda makes no sense given the reality we know of our galaxy which has had the equally long ability to spawn sentient life as Andromeda. You do realise that we've only looked at about 100 light years in our own galaxy and have used radio signals at pi*hydrogen to look for alien radio signals to find alien life, a frequency an alien race would not use to communicate. By your logic, it would be looking at the corner of a room, not seeing any humans and concluding that there is no sentient life on earth. The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence. Mathematically it is not possible for humans to be the only sentient race in our galaxy. If you truly believe that then we can all go back to the dark ages were humans were 'special', the centre of the universe and gods creation. That is inaccurate. The farthest exoplanet we have discovered is 25,000 light years away from us, not 100. That's not a good comparison. It would be at the very least looking at a metropolitan area and finding no people and then saying there are no people on an entire planet. There is no math that can figure out with certainty that there is other life. At best we can calculate approximately how many planets/moons/etc can sustain life.
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Life of earth developed long before humans came on the scene... but, so far, there is no solid evidence of any species that has left our planet in the past and no solid evidence of species that flit about the Milky Way either. It's all a product, so far, of our imagination. That's why they call this science FICTION. What you're assuming about Andromeda makes no sense given the reality we know of our galaxy which has had the equally long ability to spawn sentient life as Andromeda. You do realise that we've only looked at about 100 light years in our own galaxy and have used radio signals at pi*hydrogen to look for alien radio signals to find alien life, a frequency an alien race would not use to communicate. By your logic, it would be looking at the corner of a room, not seeing any humans and concluding that there is no sentient life on earth. The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence. Mathematically it is not possible for humans to be the only sentient race in our galaxy. If you truly believe that then we can all go back to the dark ages were humans were 'special', the centre of the universe and gods creation. I didn't know mathematics already proved we're not alone in the galaxy. Please, enlighten us!!
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:54:18 GMT
You do realise that we've only looked at about 100 light years in our own galaxy and have used radio signals at pi*hydrogen to look for alien radio signals to find alien life, a frequency an alien race would not use to communicate. By your logic, it would be looking at the corner of a room, not seeing any humans and concluding that there is no sentient life on earth. The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence. Mathematically it is not possible for humans to be the only sentient race in our galaxy. If you truly believe that then we can all go back to the dark ages were humans were 'special', the centre of the universe and gods creation. I didn't know mathematics already proved we're not alone in the galaxy. Please, enlighten us!! I suggest you look up the drake equation to enlighten yourself. Some of the variables are based on probabilities but since we are gathering more information on the universe, those probabilities are getting less and less. I believe I have heard a string theorist say they have a more modern mathematical equation these days but you have to look it up.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 17:57:05 GMT
You do realise that we've only looked at about 100 light years in our own galaxy and have used radio signals at pi*hydrogen to look for alien radio signals to find alien life, a frequency an alien race would not use to communicate. By your logic, it would be looking at the corner of a room, not seeing any humans and concluding that there is no sentient life on earth. The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence. Mathematically it is not possible for humans to be the only sentient race in our galaxy. If you truly believe that then we can all go back to the dark ages were humans were 'special', the centre of the universe and gods creation. That is inaccurate. The farthest exoplanet we have discovered is 25,000 light years away from us, not 100. That's not a good comparison. It would be at the very least looking at a metropolitan area and finding no people and then saying there are no people on an entire planet. There is no math that can figure out with certainty that there is other life. At best we can calculate approximately how many planets/moons/etc can sustain life. Let me rephrase, we have scanned with the SETI project the first 100 light years around our planet to find intelligent radio signals. The exoplanets you are referring to and discovered by microlensing. And it is a technique that in no way would prove if there is any sentient life or not, its just a test to see if there are bodies travelling around a star and you can use maths to predict the distance etc. So its not the same thing. So no its not like looking at a metropolitan area, again its like looking at the corner of a room.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 8, 2017 17:57:28 GMT
I didn't know mathematics already proved we're not alone in the galaxy. Please, enlighten us!! I suggest you look up the drake equation to enlighten yourself. Some of the variables are based on probabilities but since we are gathering more information on the universe, those probabilities are getting less and less. I believe I have heard a string theorist say they have a more modern mathematical equation these days but you have to look it up. The Drake Equation does not say with certainty that there is other life out there. As you yourself said, it uses probability and probability by its very nature is not a certainty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 17:59:54 GMT
I didn't know mathematics already proved we're not alone in the galaxy. Please, enlighten us!! I suggest you look up the drake equation to enlighten yourself. Some of the variables are based on probabilities but since we are gathering more information on the universe, those probabilities are getting less and less. I believe I have heard a string theorist say they have a more modern mathematical equation these days but you have to look it up. Oh well. Then it's not a FACT yet. And you said... " It's not possible". Wonder what else you're assuming... imagine then, your arguments about the game ... considering you don't even have it yet...
Does the probabilities and equations can also put evidence that the Andromedans didn't have a similar problem to Reapers or anything else that decimated their galactic civilizations earlier?
Interesting... P.S. I agree with you in fact, the most likely scenario is that aliens are much closer than we think in real life. Don't get that wrong.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 18:00:16 GMT
I suggest you look up the drake equation to enlighten yourself. Some of the variables are based on probabilities but since we are gathering more information on the universe, those probabilities are getting less and less. I believe I have heard a string theorist say they have a more modern mathematical equation these days but you have to look it up. The Drake Equation does not say with certainty that there is other life out there. As you yourself said, it uses probability and probability by its very nature is not a certainty. I never said it said with certainty, but the probabilites are so infinitesimally small it approaches impossibility, like a line approaches a tangent. I didn't realise poeple would start looking for an argument unless you wrote like a lawyer writing an legal document. Everything is based on probabilities, even global economics, that certainly doesn't mean its incorrect and can be dismissed.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 18:04:47 GMT
I suggest you look up the drake equation to enlighten yourself. Some of the variables are based on probabilities but since we are gathering more information on the universe, those probabilities are getting less and less. I believe I have heard a string theorist say they have a more modern mathematical equation these days but you have to look it up. Oh well. Then it's not a FACT yet. And you said... " It's not possible". Wonder what else you're assuming... imagine then, your arguments about the game ... considering you don't even have it yet...Interesting... P.S. I agree with you in fact, the most likely scenario is that aliens are much closer than we think. Get a grip man, this is just a speculation thread, I'm not looking for an argument. You are obviously looking for an argument. I'm sorry I dont write on this thread the same way as writing a legal document where I have to watch every single word for loopholes. I don't see why you are getting defensive and using an accusatory tone towards me when we are only discussing a game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 8, 2017 18:06:26 GMT
The Drake Equation does not say with certainty that there is other life out there. As you yourself said, it uses probability and probability by its very nature is not a certainty. I never said it said with certainty, but the probabilites are so infinitesimally small it approaches impossibility, like a line approaches a tangent. I didn't realise poeple would start looking for an argument unless you wrote like a lawyer writing an legal document. Everything is based on probabilities, even global economics, that certainly doesn't mean its incorrect and can be dismissed. Yes you did. You said it is not possible that we are alone in the Milky Way. Saying something is not possible is operating with certainty. Don't blame people for debating this with you since it was you who started the debate. Not everything. The laws of the universe are certainties. For example, if I let go of an object I know for certain it will head towards the object with the largest gravitational pull.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 18:13:31 GMT
Oh well. Then it's not a FACT yet. And you said... " It's not possible". Wonder what else you're assuming... imagine then, your arguments about the game ... considering you don't even have it yet...Interesting... P.S. I agree with you in fact, the most likely scenario is that aliens are much closer than we think. Get a grip man, this is just a speculation thread, I'm not looking for an argument. You are obviously looking for an argument. I'm sorry I dont write on this thread the same way as writing a legal document where I have to watch every single word for loopholes. I don't see why you are getting defensive and using an accusatory tone towards me when we are only discussing a game. Oops then... Now we are back with the Argumentum ad hominem. Passive aggressive behavior as well. Opinions about the game not being believable (in this aspect) because there isn't anyone else around in the Andromeda galaxy when we don't even have the lore facts yet. And trying to use scientific theories to back arguments when they aren't even absolute proofs, but now we're just discussing a video game. Ok, I'm out!
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 18:18:23 GMT
I never said it said with certainty, but the probabilites are so infinitesimally small it approaches impossibility, like a line approaches a tangent. I didn't realise poeple would start looking for an argument unless you wrote like a lawyer writing an legal document. Everything is based on probabilities, even global economics, that certainly doesn't mean its incorrect and can be dismissed. Yes you did. You said it is not possible that we are alone in the Milky Way. Saying something is not possible is operating with certainty. Don't blame people for debating this with you since it was you who started the debate. Not everything. The laws of the universe are certainties. For example, if I let go of an object I know for certain it will head towards the object with the largest gravitational pull. Yes, but I don't know why you are debating word play as opposed to the topic of this thread which is the debate I put forth. Saying that something is impossible where I meant it approaches impossible is not really relavent to the topic is it? Also why do you think the laws of the universe are certain? They are just certainties based on our mathematical models of how the universe works. Have you heard the electromagnetic drive? It is being tested by the russians, the chinese and NASA and seems to defy the known laws of physics. Now that probably is because there is something new about how the universe works that we didn't enter into our equations that explains this and the laws in our equations are correct. Newtons model of the universe was contradicted by Einstein which was why he won the nobel prize. He showed the physics of atoms and molecules was different from the physics of stars and planets. Everything in the universe is based on probabilities, even something dropping towards a gravity well, until it happens, its not certain.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 18:24:45 GMT
Get a grip man, this is just a speculation thread, I'm not looking for an argument. You are obviously looking for an argument. I'm sorry I dont write on this thread the same way as writing a legal document where I have to watch every single word for loopholes. I don't see why you are getting defensive and using an accusatory tone towards me when we are only discussing a game. Oops then... Now we are back with the Argumentum ad hominem. Passive aggressive behavior as well. Opinions about the game not being believable (in this aspect) because there isn't anyone around in the Andromeda galaxy when we don't even have the lore facts yet. And trying to use scientific theories to back arguments when they aren't even absolute proofs, but now we're just discussing a video game. Ok, I'm out! Man, I think you introduce passive aggressive behaviour into more than one thread, perhaps that why you have seen it so much. This is a speculation thread, When you start talking to the person directly and saying 'but you said' referring to their exact statement when talking about minutia such as word play, it doesn't bode well for the topic of a thread. I would suggest you don't adopt these tactics on a forum in the future for other peoples threads. Nothing in the universe is an absolute proof. Our own existance here and now is not an absolute proof that you are here. If you want to argue Descartes, 'I think, therefore I am' you can, but in a different thread please, this is about why we haven;t seen more races in ME:A, thats it.
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