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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 6, 2017 16:49:48 GMT
So was just wondering, the only races we know of in the andromeda galaxy are the remnant, the angara and the kett. So where is everyone else? I know without mass relays that we're confined to a single star cluster but I would assume with billions of years of advancement without reapers, they would have invented a speedy way to get around andromeda, possibly without mass effect technology. In ME1, there were dozens of new races and also mention of previous extinct civilisations.
So how come we've not seen nor heard of other races?
And this thread speculating about the writers thought process when coming up with the story and the number of races. Just saying the writers/ or bioware did it is the equivalent of saying god did it to explain everything about our universe and isn't really an answer.
Below is a lost of all known civilisations/beings in the milky way, many of which were in ME1
Sentient Milky Wayers Sentient Andromedans
1)Batarians 1) Remnant 2) Krogen 2) Angara 3) Asari 3) Kett 4) Turians 4) ??? 5) Salarians 6) Hanar 7) Drell 8) Quarians 9) Humans 10) Elcor 11)Volus 12) Keepers 13) Geth 14) Collectors 15) Leviathans 16)Raloi 17) Reapers 18) Yahg 19) Vorcha 20) Arthenn 21) Thorian 22) Protheons 23) Inusannon 24)Oravores 25) Densorin 26) Rachni 27) Thoi'han 28) Zeioph 29) Zha'til
This was the E3 trailer of ME1 back in 2006. By the way, they seem to have brought back the 'tip of the spear' metaphor for ME:A when mentioning the pathfinder. In this trailer you see humans, turians, geth, salarians, asari etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 16:53:50 GMT
I would assume that since the game is confined to a single cluster, rather than the whole Andromeda galaxy, that probably explains why there are so few native inhabitants. It would be like going to a turian-controlled cluster in the MW. There will be smatterings of other races, but it's mostly going to be turians. My guess is that there is more to the Helius cluster than being "resource-rich." There's something there that the Kett, Angarans, and probably the leaders of the AI want.
Assuming Andromeda spawns sequels, we will probably be introduced to more Andromedan races as the series progresses.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:56:52 GMT
i am sure they will come up with a wide variety of plot holes and the worst story ever to explain all of this.
verdict: control ending.
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Post by saberchic on Feb 6, 2017 17:13:58 GMT
I would assume that since the game is confined to a single cluster, rather than the whole Andromeda galaxy, that probably explains why there are so few native inhabitants. It would be like going to a turian-controlled cluster in the MW. There will be smatterings of other races, but it's mostly going to be turians. My guess is that there is more to the Helius cluster than being "resource-rich." There's something there that the Kett, Angarans, and probably the leaders of the AI want. Assuming Andromeda spawns sequels, we will probably be introduced to more Andromedan races as the series progresses. Exactly. They said they are not going to go as wide out like we could go in the Milky Way, but that we would have deeper exploration within the area we were confined to. I expect that once we move beyond this cluster, we will start seeing more species.
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Post by brunobyof on Feb 6, 2017 17:15:39 GMT
i believe other races will show up during the game and they will probably keep others to show up in future games or dlc's. I don't think they would simply throw everything in the table right now and even if ME1 had more races, now we have less explored parts of the galaxy, probably not even a council, which was certainly a factor which dramatically improved the galactic exploration and inter-species integration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 17:19:38 GMT
i believe other races will show up during the game and they will probably keep others to show up in future games or dlc's. That they could reserve entire species to separate DLCs is a terrifying thought; though I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be the case.
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Post by derrame on Feb 6, 2017 17:24:34 GMT
maybe they just are not in andromeda, maybe there are few spaces there and some new ones we'll see once we get there
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Post by Otter on Feb 6, 2017 17:25:54 GMT
I would assume that since the game is confined to a single cluster, rather than the whole Andromeda galaxy, that probably explains why there are so few native inhabitants. It would be like going to a turian-controlled cluster in the MW. There will be smatterings of other races, but it's mostly going to be turians. My guess is that there is more to the Helius cluster than being "resource-rich." There's something there that the Kett, Angarans, and probably the leaders of the AI want. Assuming Andromeda spawns sequels, we will probably be introduced to more Andromedan races as the series progresses. This. Also, the relays mean that different races from all over the milky way can migrate to any other area they want, and the reapers seem to intentionally put relays in systems that have sentient or near-sentient species. Andromeda doesn't have an equivalent to that (or at least, doesn't seem to), so the "andromeda natives" are really just Heleus Cluster natives. There are naturally going to be a smaller number of them.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 6, 2017 17:53:33 GMT
I would assume that since the game is confined to a single cluster, rather than the whole Andromeda galaxy, that probably explains why there are so few native inhabitants. It would be like going to a turian-controlled cluster in the MW. There will be smatterings of other races, but it's mostly going to be turians. My guess is that there is more to the Helius cluster than being "resource-rich." There's something there that the Kett, Angarans, and probably the leaders of the AI want. Assuming Andromeda spawns sequels, we will probably be introduced to more Andromedan races as the series progresses. This. Also, the relays mean that different races from all over the milky way can migrate to any other area they want, and the reapers seem to intentionally put relays in systems that have sentient or near-sentient species. Andromeda doesn't have an equivalent to that (or at least, doesn't seem to), so the "andromeda natives" are really just Heleus Cluster natives. There are naturally going to be a smaller number of them. Wait, that doesn't make sense. The knowledge for something like mass relay technology should be old news to species in andromeda. The mass relays were created billions of years ago but because of the cycles, no race was allowed advance to a level where they could build their own relays. As far as we know, andromeda never had such a block to advance technology and have gone unhindered for billions of years in technological advancement. Andromeda should easily have something equivalent to, or far more advanced than mass relays to get around the galaxy. So you can't say 'oh they didn't have mass relays'. They should have advanced to the point where they don't need mass relays to travel from one end of the galaxy to another billions of years ago in some part of the galaxy. I mean, the remnant may not always have been around. There might be far older races who left their technology lying around. No reapers to sweep away all relevent technology. It would be like living on earth in a country like France today and saying that you would never see a chinese person because there are mostly french people in france and the chinese wouldn't have the technology to get to france despite a far greater time for technological advancement but thats total nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 17:54:57 GMT
Probably passed the event horizon and wound up in hell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:15:34 GMT
Wait, that doesn't make sense. The knowledge for something like mass relay technology should be old news to species in andromeda. The mass relays were created billions of years ago but because of the cycles, no race was allowed advance to a level where they could build their own relays. As far as we know, andromeda never had such a block to advance technology and have gone unhindered for billions of years in technological advancement. Andromeda should easily have something equivalent to, or far more advanced than mass relays to get around the galaxy. So you can't say 'oh they didn't have mass relays'. They should have advanced to the point where they don't need mass relays to travel from one end of the galaxy to another billions of years ago in some part of the galaxy. I mean, the remnant may not always have been around. There might be far older races who left their technology lying around. No reapers to sweep away all relevent technology. It would be like living on earth in a country like France today and saying that you would never see a chinese person because there are mostly french people in france and the chinese wouldn't have the technology to get to france despite a far greater time for technological advancement but thats total nonsense. We still don't know for sure just how much more advanced the Reapers were to any of the Milky Way species. Beyond A LOT anyway. For all we know, even with more time to develop, the Andromedan species may yet to attain that level of technology. The mass relays were Reaper tech and the cycles led to every successive MW civilization being largely pan-galactic and each developed along similar lines. That was the whole point of the trap. But an entire galaxy free of the Reaper cycles would be playing under totally different rules. And just because there aren't any Reapers, that doesn't preclude civilizations and cultures being destroyed by other means. I also doubt there is any Council equivalent in Andromeda. It may have been cooperation and shared knowledge between multiple different species from across an entire galaxy that led to such advancements. Andromeda seems more like the wild west with each race, empire, civilization, etc. on its own. That's pure speculation on my part, of course. And we don't know for sure that there isn't some kind of intragalactic highway. But I don't think there necessarily has to be one just because the Reapers were able to manage it.
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Post by setecastronomy on Feb 6, 2017 18:18:44 GMT
This. Also, the relays mean that different races from all over the milky way can migrate to any other area they want, and the reapers seem to intentionally put relays in systems that have sentient or near-sentient species. Andromeda doesn't have an equivalent to that (or at least, doesn't seem to), so the "andromeda natives" are really just Heleus Cluster natives. There are naturally going to be a smaller number of them. Wait, that doesn't make sense. The knowledge for something like mass relay technology should be old news to species in andromeda. The mass relays were created billions of years ago but because of the cycles, no race was allowed advance to a level where they could build their own relays. As far as we know, andromeda never had such a block to advance technology and have gone unhindered for billions of years in technological advancement. Andromeda should easily have something equivalent to, or far more advanced than mass relays to get around the galaxy. So you can't say 'oh they didn't have mass relays'. They should have advanced to the point where they don't need mass relays to travel from one end of the galaxy to another billions of years ago in some part of the galaxy. I mean, the remnant may not always have been around. There might be far older races who left their technology lying around. No reapers to sweep away all relevent technology. It would be like living on earth in a country like France today and saying that you would never see a chinese person because there are mostly french people in france and the chinese wouldn't have the technology to get to france despite a far greater time for technological advancement but thats total nonsense. The key phrase being "as far as we know." All we have is our own example, and to apply our example to a seperate galaxy with billions of years of biological and societal evolution is at the least short-sighted and at it's worst arrogant (not referring to you singularly, but us as Milky Wayans) (side note, was Milky Wayans the albino brother from In Living Color? hmmmm) Anyway, there could be literally millions of reasons a galaxy-wide travel network is not in place. The tech was destroyed long ago, the knowledge to maintain it was lost. Perhaps Eezo is very rare in Andromeda. For all we know, the Helios Cluster is a "Prison Cluster," cut off from the rest of the civilized galaxy. Or maybe Andromeda evolved to be filled with xenophobes. Take the Ba'Ku from Star Trek Insurrection, for example. They had the ability and the means to use warp travel. They chose not to. We just don't know why Andromeda is the way it is. That's why I, Sara Ryder, am going there. To find out.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 6, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
Well, on one hand you have the original Shepard trilogy. Three full games with plenty of time and opportunity to explore the galaxy and the various races.
On the other, we have a handful of short trailers that only tease at one game. There's only so much they can and will reveal before the game is released.
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Post by traks on Feb 6, 2017 18:20:57 GMT
Maybe we should find out exploring in the game and not before.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Feb 6, 2017 18:44:13 GMT
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 6, 2017 18:47:08 GMT
Assumptions. Assumptions.
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Post by MrR40 on Feb 6, 2017 19:10:43 GMT
In my opinion we shouldn't mirror the Andromeda galaxy to the Milky Way, it is older and almost twice the size. (please correct me if I'm wrong) As we're confined to a single cluster, chances for finding intelligent life is slim and spacefaring species even slimmer. (three races already confirmed though)
My prediction is that Remnant technology will allow us travel beyond the Helius Cluster in the sequel(s). Empires rise and fall which makes me wonder what kind of forerunner race or races the Remnants belonged to.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 6, 2017 20:21:46 GMT
Maybe we should find out exploring in the game and not before. Thats all well and good to say, but in parallel, for E3 for mass effect 1, we saw at least 5 or 6 different species. I'm just curious why they are not advertising any more besides these three?
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 6, 2017 21:08:22 GMT
Maybe we should find out exploring in the game and not before. Thats all well and good to say, but in parallel, for E3 for mass effect 1, we saw at least 5 or 6 different species. I'm just curious why they are not advertising any more besides these three? There could be plenty of reasons. eg: 1. We're going to a single cluster, not flying across half the galaxy. 2. The Andromadeans have a different form of FTL tech which doesn't allow for mass relay-scale travel. 3. The Remnant were the dominant galactic force and ruled over the other species until... something. 4. There are more species and BW just wanted to keep them under wraps.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 7, 2017 0:33:30 GMT
Thats all well and good to say, but in parallel, for E3 for mass effect 1, we saw at least 5 or 6 different species. I'm just curious why they are not advertising any more besides these three? There could be plenty of reasons. eg: 1. We're going to a single cluster, not flying across half the galaxy. 2. The Andromadeans have a different form of FTL tech which doesn't allow for mass relay-scale travel. 3. The Remnant were the dominant galactic force and ruled over the other species until... something. 4. There are more species and BW just wanted to keep them under wraps. None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why?
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Post by armass81 on Feb 7, 2017 1:00:33 GMT
Probably like in real life, naturally evolving intelligence is quite rare, and only produces a single succesful civilization inside say 100-500 light years radius. Since were limited to a single cluster, there should be only one native species, all the others are either visiting, colonizing or invading.
And concerning the technology yes it should be advanced, if there are no limitations put in place. Conjecturing, but maybe theres some undiscovered reaper like filter in the Andromeda galaxy, that pretty much keeps the races tech level on similar scale(remnants?).
If you ask me what i hope vs what i think is in the game:
Realistic:
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 7, 2017 1:54:55 GMT
There could be plenty of reasons. eg: 1. We're going to a single cluster, not flying across half the galaxy. 2. The Andromadeans have a different form of FTL tech which doesn't allow for mass relay-scale travel. 3. The Remnant were the dominant galactic force and ruled over the other species until... something. 4. There are more species and BW just wanted to keep them under wraps. None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why? Actually all four of those points could potentially be valid explanations. You're simply dismissing some of them without enough information to do so with any confidence. Re point 2, you say that like it's a certain thing. It's a theory only, given that humans have no actual experience to draw on in terms of technological development beyond a certain point. It also assumes that there have not been any significant intervening events, even tho the Remnant seem to be set up as the remains of a formerly powerful, now-dead species. You're asking questions that we don't have enough info to answer in much detail, and then dismissing reasonable suggestions because we can't answer in more detail. I'm not sure what else we can tell you until we play the game!
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 7, 2017 5:02:55 GMT
There could be plenty of reasons. eg: 1. We're going to a single cluster, not flying across half the galaxy. 2. The Andromadeans have a different form of FTL tech which doesn't allow for mass relay-scale travel. 3. The Remnant were the dominant galactic force and ruled over the other species until... something. 4. There are more species and BW just wanted to keep them under wraps. None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why? 1. Maybe it is or used to be the Khett and Remnant home sector. 2. Maybe the invention of FTL -Something that used to bring the Remnant who maybe hate species traveling in FTL in to attack the race that is developing and testing FTL. The remnant wipe out said race -or close to it. Some survive make it to other stars clusters -maybe ones like the Angarans. Over the eons the news of a species who destroys species traveling in FTL in the Helius cluster spreads. This creates fear, terror, superstition or all three of the said cluster and only the brave venture there. 3. Non-sequetered by 2 ... The Remnant have disappeared... or at least become a husk of what they were before. Only the Angarans braved their space and now see them gone. So the Andromedian races are like us venturing here too... just they slower than us and taking a while to get here to the Helius cluster. 4. Avoid people picking them apart to decide who is good or bad or exactly who's side who is on.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 8, 2017 16:46:14 GMT
None of those 4 options explain why we aren't seeing more races 1) whats preventing other species from interacting with this cluster? 2) The andromedans have had billions of years beyond the level of technology needed to make mass relays to require them. Its actually impossible for an entire galaxy of species, given a time scale of billions of years, to not have come up with something better than mass relays at some point without an impediment like the reaper cycles. And sure some people will say that civilisations collapse, but do you know what? Something as impotant as advanced intersteller travel wouldn't be just limited to a single race. The knowledge would have been coopted by other races or invented again. Therefore, the likelihood of losing advanced FTL travel and the ability to travel from one side of the galaxy to another would be astronomically slim to the point of impossibility because the knowledge would have changed how races interacted with each other in the galaxy and it was deemed extremely important. It would be like saying that all the races of the milky way forgot how to undergo FTL travel simultaneously. Short of a massive galactic catastrophie, I don't see how thats possible. And even in a catastrophie, its still really unlikely given the number of races that must have had the technology. 3) too vague to be of value 4) Why? Actually all four of those points could potentially be valid explanations. You're simply dismissing some of them without enough information to do so with any confidence. Re point 2, you say that like it's a certain thing. It's a theory only, given that humans have no actual experience to draw on in terms of technological development beyond a certain point. It also assumes that there have not been any significant intervening events, even tho the Remnant seem to be set up as the remains of a formerly powerful, now-dead species. You're asking questions that we don't have enough info to answer in much detail, and then dismissing reasonable suggestions because we can't answer in more detail. I'm not sure what else we can tell you until we play the game! Its not dismissing, its called theorizing. In reverse of what you've said, people are suggesting things without enough information. So we have to speculate only on the possibilities. The four suggestions were not completely dismissed, I'd be willing to hear a counter rather than 'we don't have enough information'. Anything could potentially be a valid explanation but without going through the possibilities of what the writers were thinking when they came up with the story, nothing will be achieved. Even the counters are important. Think, think of the possibilities rather than just accepting whats given to you.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 8, 2017 16:55:32 GMT
at least compare MEA with just ME1, comparing it with three games at once is unfair.
And I mean vanilla ME1, before Batarian DLC
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