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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 29, 2019 12:03:50 GMT
What's going on wave 2 that you're only getting 2ws on w5? Wave 4 is the hard early wave, but Steve and a timely TCP can make that a quick and painless wave. My trouble is usualy w8 and w9 when I have to bail out of the basement and get flanked by the damn Phantoms, which is why I get shish-kebabbed a lot. Or I'll forget about staggerin' Steve and Overload/Incinerate too much. If I don't get targets wave 6 I can use 3/2 or 2/3 missiles on waves 8 & 9 to save a lot of time, but that's risking some (theoretically 40 kills, realistically ~20) SMG kills at that point in the match (everything else is usually done by w5). don't knock until you've tried it yea i have tried AP a few time to see if it's gonna work for me, mentioned that before. struggled with medals, balmed AP for chewing up my SMG kills I may have to seeing as I'm running low on APIV. I didn't know AP stole kills, I know that IA definitely does. I like it [AP] for the double hits and Goon damage, Drill rounds are not as good in the Goon killing department so I think I'd go with APIII before anything else I guess.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 29, 2019 20:40:23 GMT
So yeah... Wave 1, 5 Grabs, Gold Medal, Check. Wave 5, 2WS, check. 50 Tech Kills, check. and so on and so forth. I guess that was intentional. I chuckled. waait just a second.... what?? uhm... it wasn't *looking at the keyboard* how the hell did i manage that. might've been a freudian slip, i guess...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 29, 2019 22:48:59 GMT
Lol.
I get 2WS survived by Wave 5 all the time. More often 3, which makes me even angrier.
Playing Hearts of Stone expansion now, Galactic Readiness has fallen to 50%.
In short, the Reapers are winning now and it's my fault, but I need my vacation so it's up to you all until I return.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 29, 2019 22:50:17 GMT
i gave it some more thought, and yeah, i struggled a lot on 7.1, i had build discussions for a long period . But it wasnt painfull. Pull ups was really a PITA, and 7.3, specifically on the redo Those on pc, u could work your latter waves with "restartfromwave 7" or smtg like that. I never did it, but it should help. I always want to try it for my claymore Hsol thuderdome, but never do Also, KS are quite easy on glacier, i would nt have believed it, but i got it like each time while i was grinding the fury one (annilation). About that, muahmuah positionning between wave is better btw. (edit: i didnt have any KS on my last 7.1 run, so i guess it s a reaper thing)
Pull-ups was easy, just slow. You probably used the wrong gun. Revvay baby, never think twice.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 29, 2019 23:45:58 GMT
What's going on wave 2 that you're only getting 2ws on w5? Wave 4 is the hard early wave, but Steve and a timely TCP can make that a quick and painless wave. My trouble is usualy w8 and w9 when I have to bail out of the basement and get flanked by the damn Phantoms, which is why I get shish-kebabbed a lot. Or I'll forget about staggerin' Steve and Overload/Incinerate too much. If I don't get targets wave 6 I can use 3/2 or 2/3 missiles on waves 8 & 9 to save a lot of time, but that's risking some (theoretically 40 kills, realistically ~20) SMG kills at that point in the match (everything else is usually done by w5). yeah my finger slipped there. whether that or my subconsciousness is trying to tell me, and everyone else, something. i'd rage quit way before that if that's the way the run'd be heading. Here's how it goes usually for me W1 - Boring. Long. Grabs farming, don't fucking die farming grabs. 5 Grabs a must. Likelihood of a ragequit if dead: High W2 - Still long. Guardians and their shields get in Steve's way and block the flow. Likelihood of a ragequit if dead: Very High W3 - No missile use if possible. Abandon mission if dead. Looking at you devices in particular. Fuck targets and Pizzas W4 - Quick and Easy. Down one TCP. By this time gold medals should be popping, - headshots, tech kills if all going well W5 - At least 1 missile wasted almost always while trying for a KS. Sometimes two. Likelyhood of a ragequit if dead: Extremely High W6 - No missile use again if possible save for a one go at trying to swithc targets to goons. Fuxk Pizzas. Abandon if get downed on devices W7 - Quick and Easy. TCP use at a discretion. Avoid moving too much, or be extra careful cause turret groves everywhere. 1-2 gold medals pop W8 - Fuck this wave. Missile use auhtorised. Having less then 3 gels and no ops packs on the other side means a high likelihood of mission failure W9 - Tired. Missile use, conservative. No gels use preferred, 1 tops. ops packs allowed if any left. check the medals, tidy up any shortfall W10 - Fuck targets. Fuck devices. Fuck pizzas. Getting objectives credits is desirable if attainable that is. Takes a lot to remember not to RQ here W11 - Don't fucking die. Of some additional consideration is to refrain from dying with 0:00 on the countdown well... don't quote me on the AP kill steals. Truth be told I can never remember with confidence which ones that have been confirmed. And being a lazy bastard that i am i keep telling myself i'll dig through the library later. Mostly based on my empiric evidence and the medals shortfalls, like i doscvoered here. I rarely use IA to be honest so haven't paid much attention but for some reason thought they were one of the safer ones. Well, dot kills aside obviously but they're predictable and you can see them ususally. Cryos are safe. Disruptor rounds are safe. Well, unless there's a 500+ ms latency and then they DA gets really bad. Fortunately, doesn't apply here. Drill rounds are safe. Drill are of limited use on this one though i agree but mostly cause it's hurrdurr. They shine on them hard hitters edit: forgot to mention, there's another good thing about the cryos for this match. it's is the cryo explosions and incinerate synergy which gets even better if your spec into the freeze evo. It really makes tech kills an easy gold medal to achieve early on without much effort, simply comes naturally while you work those hurrrdurrr headshots/kills
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 30, 2019 1:56:36 GMT
Lol. I get 2WS survived by Wave 5 all the time. More often 3, which makes me even angrier. Playing Hearts of Stone expansion now, Galactic Readiness has fallen to 50%. In short, the Reapers are winning now and it's my fault, but I need my vacation so it's up to you all until I return. o7 No worries bud. Enjoy your break, come back when ready. In the meantime.... We'll keep holding the line.
Edit: Although my own Galactic Readiness ain't much healthier really... Kinda fluctuates at about mid seventies most of the time nowadays. Sadly.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 30, 2019 5:35:01 GMT
W1 - Boring. Long. Grabs farming, don't fucking die farming grabs. 5 Grabs a must. Likelihood of a ragequit if dead: High W2 - Still long. Guardians and their shields get in Steve's way and block the flow. Likelihood of a ragequit if dead: Very High W3 - No missile use if possible. Abandon mission if dead. Looking at you devices in particular. Fuck targets and Pizzas W4 - Quick and Easy. Down one TCP. By this time gold medals should be popping, - headshots, tech kills if all going well W5 - At least 1 missile wasted almost always while trying for a KS. Sometimes two. Likelyhood of a ragequit if dead: Extremely High W6 - No missile use again if possible save for a one go at trying to swithc targets to goons. Fuxk Pizzas. Abandon if get downed on devices W7 - Quick and Easy. TCP use at a discretion. Avoid moving too much, or be extra careful cause turret groves everywhere. 1-2 gold medals pop W8 - Fuck this wave. Missile use auhtorised. Having less then 3 gels and no ops packs on the other side means a high likelihood of mission failure W9 - Tired. Missile use, conservative. No gels use preferred, 1 tops. ops packs allowed if any left. check the medals, tidy up any shortfall W10 - Fuck targets. Fuck devices. Fuck pizzas. Getting objectives credits is desirable if attainable that is. Takes a lot to remember not to RQ here W11 - Don't fucking die. Of some additional consideration is to refrain from dying with 0:00 on the countdown. Liked and quoted for consistent proper use of F word. This fucking game, I tell ya :rage: This thread reminds me that I also love this fucking game
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 30, 2019 6:14:59 GMT
i gave it some more thought, and yeah, i struggled a lot on 7.1, i had build discussions for a long period . But it wasnt painfull. Pull ups was really a PITA, and 7.3, specifically on the redo Those on pc, u could work your latter waves with "restartfromwave 7" or smtg like that. I never did it, but it should help. I always want to try it for my claymore Hsol thuderdome, but never do Also, KS are quite easy on glacier, i would nt have believed it, but i got it like each time while i was grinding the fury one (annilation). About that, muahmuah positionning between wave is better btw. (edit: i didnt have any KS on my last 7.1 run, so i guess it s a reaper thing)
Pull-ups was easy, just slow. You probably used the wrong gun. Revvay baby, never think twice. U mad,bro?This crap sucks hairy a***s. Katana all the way.You can't even step back properly with Revvy.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 30, 2019 7:38:25 GMT
i gave it some more thought, and yeah, i struggled a lot on 7.1, i had build discussions for a long period . But it wasnt painfull. Pull ups was really a PITA, and 7.3, specifically on the redo Those on pc, u could work your latter waves with "restartfromwave 7" or smtg like that. I never did it, but it should help. I always want to try it for my claymore Hsol thuderdome, but never do Also, KS are quite easy on glacier, i would nt have believed it, but i got it like each time while i was grinding the fury one (annilation). About that, muahmuah positionning between wave is better btw. (edit: i didnt have any KS on my last 7.1 run, so i guess it s a reaper thing)
Pull-ups was easy, just slow. You probably used the wrong gun. Revvay baby, never think twice. it was my first gold solos at the time and i never played the Hsol. I still dislike the thing, i mean, rio with revay or katana. BOth are sub average gun with no range. It was very very long (like 80 or 90 min) and so very stressfull. Now it s not difficult, but sill painfull for whatever reason.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 30, 2019 7:40:57 GMT
W4 - Quick and Easy. Down one TCP. By this time gold medals should be popping, - headshots, tech kills if all going well Well if you get your 50 tek kils on 4, man, u have room for more hurricane action , and so, AP rounds
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 30, 2019 7:56:56 GMT
W4 - Quick and Easy. Down one TCP. By this time gold medals should be popping, - headshots, tech kills if all going well Well if you get your 50 tek kils on 4, man, u have room for more hurricane action , and so, AP rounds I want to call BS on 50 tech kills by 4, but I haven't used cryo ammo. Cryo Explosion is Techsplosion. Again, you have me thinking about Glorious Cryo Ammo. Using AP, I have been concerned about Tech kills in my decent runs where I actually had to get think about finishing the mission goals. The others were with Disruptor so my concern there was SMG kills. I imagine my most-likely win scenario on 7.1 is headshots, grabs, tech kills, smg kills, total kills. Possible 6th GM with KS, because I need those for late round survival if I'm being real with you (which I am). Man, I'm really shitposting now.... I should go.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 30, 2019 8:04:27 GMT
Pull-ups was easy, just slow. You probably used the wrong gun. Revvay baby, never think twice. U mad,bro?This crap sucks hairy a***s. Katana all the way.You can't even stap back properly with Revvy. Well, I lied. Not only will I shitpost, I will doubleshitpost Just for you, I will redo this challenge as I warm up for Ash again... and improve my time by at least 10 minutes. Somehow I need now to just bang Ash out and leave her on Virmire, so I can be more. She's the one that's holding me back on 7.1, damned racist whore.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 30, 2019 8:31:41 GMT
W4 - Quick and Easy. Down one TCP. By this time gold medals should be popping, - headshots, tech kills if all going well Well if you get your 50 tek kils on 4, man, u have room for more hurricane action , and so, AP rounds Well if you get your 50 tek kils on 4, man, u have room for more hurricane action , and so, AP rounds I want to call BS on 50 tech kills by 4, but I haven't used cryo ammo. Cryo Explosion is Techsplosion. Again, you have me thinking about Glorious Cryo Ammo. yeah... ima inclined now to call BS on 50 tech kills popping during wave 4 too cryo ammo or not. just watched surviving recordings of one of more recent attempts, a silver one does pop at the earlier 4 proceedings but that's only a halfway. will have a quick go at it to validate doesn't have to go far so should not take too long
EDIT: or not... well at least not htat far off. here's one fresh off the failed 7.1. press... no medals death early into w5
the w4 tally left me with about 12-13 hs kills short by my rough estimates off the HS gold. so about half way into w5 for both with no dramas
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 30, 2019 12:21:24 GMT
yeah, well, not even 25 smg kills ! I m pretty sure AP would have give you more smg and less Tek kills. I personnally wait for Cooldowns and doing the killing blow with power ... EDIT: or not... well at least not htat far off. here's one fresh off the failed 7.1. press... no medals death early into w5 yeah, well, not even 25 smg kills ! I m pretty sure AP would have give you more smg and less Tek kills. I personnally waited for cooldowns and doing the killing blow with power on wave cleanups
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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 30, 2019 17:50:54 GMT
U mad,bro?This crap sucks hairy a***s. Katana all the way.You can't even step back properly with Revvy. This guy right here. He knows what's up. Katana alllllll day. I want to call BS on 50 tech kills by 4, but I haven't used cryo ammo. Cryo Explosion is Techsplosion. Again, you have me thinking about Glorious Cryo Ammo. yeah... ima inclined now to call BS on 50 tech kills popping during wave 4 too cryo ammo or not. just watched surviving recordings of one of more recent attempts, a silver one does pop at the earlier 4 proceedings but that's only a halfway. will have a quick go at it to validate doesn't have to go far so should not take too long When I was getting Tech kills out of the way early, I had the gold medal by early wave 3 most of the time and this was with APIV as well and no Steve. I think it's better to mix and match, I try for headshots on Guardians and Nemesis now. It may be even better to get SMG done early because I find I kill a lot of Phantoms and Goons with TBs and FEs during w4 and the later waves when they get bogged down by an Atlas or during their rushes. If you go look at my previous pics (because I'm a lazy fuck and don't want to repost them) you'll find my medals are Grabs, Tech, 75 Kills, etc., probably for every one.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 30, 2019 21:37:52 GMT
yeah, well, not even 25 smg kills ! I m pretty sure AP would have give you more smg and less Tek kills. I personnally wait for Cooldowns and doing the killing blow with power ... EDIT: or not... well at least not htat far off. here's one fresh off the failed 7.1. press... no medals death early into w5 yeah, well, not even 25 smg kills ! I m pretty sure AP would have give you more smg and less Tek kills. I personnally waited for cooldowns and doing the killing blow with power on wave cleanups ah come now you. that wasn't meant to be a genuine 7.1 attempt. just a quickie before bed to check if the gold tech medal does indeed pop (them and headshots) in wave 4 after Qui-Gon GlenN7 made me doubt myself *shakefist* well him and me checking out one of my recording , which turned to be a non-represent, 7.1 from a run of my own from a few days back. smg kills weren't mentioned originally and don't come into play here either. there's only so many kills you can have in those earlier waves and the way you split them can vary. my point was really that cryo ammo is helpful in getting tech kills quite effortlessly, and early on, that's that how early on that was a bit of a question there in that trial. Anyways once those pop you just keep on going naturally, no harvesting of any specific kills needed. From there on about mid-game is the 75 kills should pop and usually SMG is to follow... U mad,bro?This crap sucks hairy a***s. Katana all the way.You can't even step back properly with Revvy. This guy right here. He knows what's up. Katana alllllll day. I want to call BS on 50 tech kills by 4, but I haven't used cryo ammo. Cryo Explosion is Techsplosion. Again, you have me thinking about Glorious Cryo Ammo. yeah... ima inclined now to call BS on 50 tech kills popping during wave 4 too cryo ammo or not. just watched surviving recordings of one of more recent attempts, a silver one does pop at the earlier 4 proceedings but that's only a halfway. will have a quick go at it to validate doesn't have to go far so should not take too long When I was getting Tech kills out of the way early, I had the gold medal by early wave 3 most of the time and this was with APIV as well and no Steve. I think it's better to mix and match, I try for headshots on Guardians and Nemesis now. It may be even better to get SMG done early because I find I kill a lot of Phantoms and Goons with TBs and FEs during w4 and the later waves when they get bogged down by an Atlas or during their rushes. If you go look at my previous pics (because I'm a lazy fuck and don't want to repost them) you'll find my medals are Grabs, Tech, 75 Kills, etc., probably for every one. Hold on... 50 tech kills. without Steve. with APIV by early wave 3? Well, I'm not gonna pull QGG on you, but... Let's think. With 5 grabs (5 kills) to be able to get another 50 to pop a cherry is a big push for those first waves.. you'd nee to reeeeally milk trooper kills to minimise budget draing and then go scorewhoring the 3 quite a bit. Also, remain disciplined enough no to actually hurrrdurrr anything by accident. Also i thought that we need 5 golds for this run??? With the old scrubby me working to go to set is grabs, tech, headshots, kills, smg? Are we not? Pull-ups was easy, just slow. You probably used the wrong gun. Revvay baby, never think twice. U mad,bro?This crap sucks hairy a***s. Katana all the way.You can't even step back properly with Revvy. Yep, another vote for Katana here. Revvay in this run is... too much of an acquired taste. i salute you lot who do it that way but...... I just wish that i did not carry that dead weight around on my run. I'm almost tempted to see how would it feel. Almost.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 30, 2019 21:53:01 GMT
Hold on... 50 tech kills. without Steve. with APIV by early wave 3? Well, I'm not gonna pull QGG on you, but... Let's think. With 5 grabs (5 kills) to be able to get another 50 to pop a cherry is a big push for those first waves.. Yes, I ran the 06666 build before switching to 66653 and using Steve for Tech kills/Distraction. you'd nee to reeeeally milk trooper kills to minimise budget draing and then go scorewhoring the 3 quite a bit. Also, remain disciplined enough no to actually hurrrdurrr anything by accident. Which is what I did. If you focus just on the Assault Troopers you can get 30 of them in w1. If you only kill Trooper and w/ Incinerate/Overload it's really not hard to have 50 tech kills by the end of wave 2. Remember you're not really speed running here, especially early, so you don't need to focus on Nemesis/Guardians. With that said, I'm not using this strategy any more and now that I'm writing this all out I'm thinking maybe go for SMG/Headshots early and get Tech kills later. Also i thought that we need 5 golds for this run??? With the old scrubby me working to go to set is grabs, tech, headshots, kills, smg? Are we not? I know you need 5 and I'm not sure what the question is about
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 30, 2019 22:11:10 GMT
ah come now you. that wasn't meant to be a genuine 7.1 attempt. just a quickie before bed to check if the gold tech medal does indeed pop (them and headshots) in wave 4 after Gleem Broken Record made me doubt myself *shakefist* well him and me checking out one of my recording , which turned to be a non-represent, 7.1 from a run of my own from a few days back. smg kills weren't mentioned originally and don't come into play here either. there's only so many kills you can have in those earlier waves and the way you split them can vary. my point was really that cryo ammo is helpful in getting tech kills quite effortlessly, and early on, that's that how early on that was a bit of a question there in that trial. Anyways once those pop you just keep on going naturally, no harvesting of any specific kills needed. From there on about mid-game is the 75 kills should pop and usually SMG is to follow... HéHéhé, well, one of the "fun" spice in this run is splitting kills between the SMG and the powa, so getting one very early ... But whatever, if u prefer to close one early and then the other comes naturally...In the end it s not a problem anymore for u guys, and wouldnt be a fail cause.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 30, 2019 22:15:36 GMT
Hold on... 50 tech kills. without Steve. with APIV by early wave 3? Well, I'm not gonna pull QGG on you, but... Let's think. With 5 grabs (5 kills) to be able to get another 50 to pop a cherry is a big push for those first waves.. Yes, I ran the 06666 build before switching to 66653 and using Steve for Tech kills/Distraction. you'd nee to reeeeally milk trooper kills to minimise budget draing and then go scorewhoring the 3 quite a bit. Also, remain disciplined enough no to actually hurrrdurrr anything by accident. Which is what I did. If you focus just on the Assault Troopers you can get 30 of them in w1. If you only kill Trooper and w/ Incinerate/Overload it's really not hard to have 50 tech kills by the end of wave 2. Remember you're not really speed running here, especially early, so you don't need to focus on Nemesis/Guardians. With that said, I'm not using this strategy any more and now that I'm writing this all out I'm thinking maybe go for SMG/Headshots early and get Tech kills later. welp. you got me beat. i think i'd give up there and then if i'd had to spend even more time on those first waves. drive me nuts as it is even just farming those grabs. ah dis just me and and my reading comprehension fails. chose to read that last sentence as if you were implying that not all of those medals were required... all good.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 30, 2019 23:51:26 GMT
Hey MPApr2012 - I wanted to call BS. I didn't. You have made a believer of me; Cryo it is. This is furthered by an interesting tidbit from DistigousForest's point on Wave 1 Troopers... 30 troopers possible... This is called gaming the game. I like it, fuck this challenge, I got this, hold me beer etc
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 31, 2019 4:23:58 GMT
Hey MPApr2012 - I wanted to call BS. I didn't. I know The element of doubt, yours and Alfonse's was quite appropriate though. It's that me own self-doubty self did the rest. ...And of all recordings i kept, the underperforming one i picked to check. So needed a sanity check. Nice one. Would not recommend it for Ash though btw. Cryo Mattock vs Atlas... Not good. Disruptor (or Explosive lol) betterer i know. i'm almost tempted to do it just to find how long such wave 1 gonna take. there's also a problem with Steve being quite undiscriminating, so that means he's out too to avoid any collateral centruions/nemeses lol. that's the spirit! knew there'd be a tipping point and you would not be able to resist
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 31, 2019 7:19:32 GMT
Guys,pls.Leave those tech and grab things.You need only kills,SMG kills and HS.Just do 10WS and 3KS.
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In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 31, 2019 22:21:20 GMT
Guys,pls.Leave those tech and grab things.You need only kills,SMG kills and HS.Just do 10WS and 3KS.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 1, 2019 9:44:46 GMT
i incidentally got that 10 ws on my first redo (years after) . I don t remember how it went, but i guess i was very cautious because former punishments were still vivid memories
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