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Post by vertigomez on Feb 18, 2017 16:08:51 GMT
Now the real question is whether you can bring yourself to break it off it with Garrus for Kaidan come ME3, huhuhu.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 18, 2017 17:34:59 GMT
This is super fun to read. Few comments: Garrus vs. Jacob: Jacob has a super weird romance but I (and I think I am alone here) think it's actually interesting what they did with it in ME3. Finally some unexpected character development there. Garrus is just super cool. He is the natural best buddy for any broShep and a strong contender for best romance for femSheps. BUT: Don't decide yet, you haven't even seen all the option yet. The Horizon meeting with Kaidan/Ash: I guess you have a point. In the universe, their reaction is somewhat understandable (although, after going through ME1 with these guys and having a real bond, it's tough they won't even hear me out). My real problem with this conversation is on the meta level: I - the player - never wanted to work for Cerberus. If I had a choice, I'd have jumped through TIMs hoops until I got the new ship, then I'd have betrayed him right away and gone back to the Alliance. But the game never gives me that choice (with no good narrative reason why not). That's ok, I get that they couldn't branch the plot too much. But then, don't put a character on Horizon (an old friend, possibly an LI no less) that scolds me for not doing what the game didn't allow me to do. I believe that's where the frustration for a lot of players came from with this moment. Will the space hamster ever be brave enough to leave the cage? Yes, yes it will. Also, if you get the Citadel DLC for ME3 (which you should, I think you'd like it), the hamster is the subject of a few cool lines there.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 18, 2017 21:09:20 GMT
The Horizon meeting with Kaidan/Ash: I guess you have a point. In the universe, their reaction is somewhat understandable (although, after going through ME1 with these guys and having a real bond, it's tough they won't even hear me out). My real problem with this conversation is on the meta level: I - the player - never wanted to work for Cerberus. If I had a choice, I'd have jumped through TIMs hoops until I got the new ship, then I'd have betrayed him right away and gone back to the Alliance. But the game never gives me that choice (with no good narrative reason why not). That's ok, I get that they couldn't branch the plot too much. But then, don't put a character on Horizon (an old friend, possibly an LI no less) that scolds me for not doing what the game didn't allow me to do. I believe that's where the frustration for a lot of players came from with this moment. True. It really didn't help that all of Shepard's responses seem to be purposely antagonistic and tactless. Another reason I don't hold it against Kaidan -- it felt rather contrived. I certainly didn't want to work with Cerberus (I even had Akuze as my background!) but for whatever stupid reason you can't actually ever voice that thought. And with a romance carry over? Good lord, it's even worse.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 18, 2017 22:41:03 GMT
This is super fun to read. Few comments: Garrus vs. Jacob: Jacob has a super weird romance but I (and I think I am alone here) think it's actually interesting what they did with it in ME3. Finally some unexpected character development there. Garrus is just super cool. He is the natural best buddy for any broShep and a strong contender for best romance for femSheps. BUT: Don't decide yet, you haven't even seen all the option yet. The Horizon meeting with Kaidan/Ash: I guess you have a point. In the universe, their reaction is somewhat understandable (although, after going through ME1 with these guys and having a real bond, it's tough they won't even hear me out). My real problem with this conversation is on the meta level: I - the player - never wanted to work for Cerberus. If I had a choice, I'd have jumped through TIMs hoops until I got the new ship, then I'd have betrayed him right away and gone back to the Alliance. But the game never gives me that choice (with no good narrative reason why not). That's ok, I get that they couldn't branch the plot too much. But then, don't put a character on Horizon (an old friend, possibly an LI no less) that scolds me for not doing what the game didn't allow me to do. I believe that's where the frustration for a lot of players came from with this moment. Will the space hamster ever be brave enough to leave the cage? Yes, yes it will. Also, if you get the Citadel DLC for ME3 (which you should, I think you'd like it), the hamster is the subject of a few cool lines there. I came to say essentially this about the scene with Kaidan, with the caveat that I haven't played ME1 yet, so maybe my opinion will change once I do. As a player, I knew that Cerberus was shady (I didn't know how shady) but I didn't have any choice but to work with them/use them for the duration of the game. It was not heartwarming to have an old friend dismiss Shepard right off the bat and not even give her a chance to prove herself. She didn't ask to die and be resurrected by human supremacists. That's not to say that Kaidan is a bad person, a bad LI choice, or that his reaction is unrealistic. I do think it is realistic, but so is Garrus believing in Shepard and being willing to give his old friend a chance. As a player with no control over who Shepard is working for, I feel much warmer toward the latter. Plus, Garrus has a great personality and ME2 doesn't let you get to know Kaidan, so by the time we reunited in ME3, Kaidan had no chance I hope you will enjoy whoever you choose, phoray
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Post by themikefest on Feb 18, 2017 23:17:28 GMT
Hmmm. The scene on Horizon was crap. As soon as the word Cerberus is mentioned, Ashley/Kaidan forget about everything else. Are they really that pig-headed to not see the collectors are the one's taking the colonists? Of course Shepard could have done a better job explaining her/himself. So it was dumb meets dumber situation.
When they imply that Shepard is a traitor, I would have a renegade interrupt for my Shepard smashing them in the face knocking them to ground. My Shepard would remind them that the Alliance hasn't done crap for the 2 years Shepard was dead. They made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. My Shepard has no care for the Alliance. She just flips them the bird. I would tell Ashley/Kaidan that whatever they think of Cerberus, at least they're doing something to stop the collectors. My Shepard has no problem working with them.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 2:24:32 GMT
There was a couple problems I had with the Jacob breakup scene I watched. 1. Only 6 months had passed and he was like, "why you so upset? You expected me to wait for you?" 2. His reasons for falling for the new woman were vague, except for the having babies part. I can't remember if it was a dialogue choice but the Shepherd I watched said they wanted babies too. "Some day." Um... What? Then he was like, "we're all gonna die anyway." Um... So why is babies the deal breaker? 3. Shepherd had to force the conversation. If she hadn't asked, the conversation would never have been had. And when the Shepherd I watched pushed him to pick up things with her again and ditch the new girl,he acted like the idea of cheating on the new girl was abhorrent and he was above that. Haha what? 4. So, it wasn't even a good breakup. Like, real reasons could have been chosen. But he wouldn't own up to his decisions past or present and so it was one of those breakups were you scratch your head and leave dissatisfied. Nothing like Blackwall admitting his sins and explaining why of what's he's done with passion and way more than a little regret. Jacob breaks up with you like a teenager- he's got new tail to chase an can't be bothered to communicate. On top of that, flirting with him is awkward for no other reason than he's awkward. Not like Kaidan where e was actually your subordinate and a little worried about fraternization. Or like Garrus because he lacks confidence in the interspecies thing. It wasn't cute. I felt like I was forcing myself on him and only...To avoid further awkward did he agree to some drinks. and for this reason, I went ahead and spoiled the Breakup video,because I kinda knew in my heart of hearts that I didn't like the chemistry between the two of them. And I'm just doing a romance to do one in 2 with every intention of jumping on the Kaidan train come ME3- but I still want to enjoy myself. Someone must be my romantic sacrifice
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 2:53:04 GMT
This is super fun to read. Few comments: Garrus vs. Jacob: Jacob has a super weird romance but I (and I think I am alone here) think it's actually interesting what they did with it in ME3. Finally some unexpected character development there. Garrus is just super cool. He is the natural best buddy for any broShep and a strong contender for best romance for femSheps. BUT: Don't decide yet, you haven't even seen all the option yet. The Horizon meeting with Kaidan/Ash: I guess you have a point. In the universe, their reaction is somewhat understandable (although, after going through ME1 with these guys and having a real bond, it's tough they won't even hear me out). My real problem with this conversation is on the meta level: I - the player - never wanted to work for Cerberus. If I had a choice, I'd have jumped through TIMs hoops until I got the new ship, then I'd have betrayed him right away and gone back to the Alliance. But the game never gives me that choice (with no good narrative reason why not). That's ok, I get that they couldn't branch the plot too much. But then, don't put a character on Horizon (an old friend, possibly an LI no less) that scolds me for not doing what the game didn't allow me to do. I believe that's where the frustration for a lot of players came from with this moment. Will the space hamster ever be brave enough to leave the cage? Yes, yes it will. Also, if you get the Citadel DLC for ME3 (which you should, I think you'd like it), the hamster is the subject of a few cool lines there. I came to say essentially this about the scene with Kaidan, with the caveat that I haven't played ME1 yet, so maybe my opinion will change once I do. As a player, I knew that Cerberus was shady (I didn't know how shady) but I didn't have any choice but to work with them/use them for the duration of the game. It was not heartwarming to have an old friend dismiss Shepard right off the bat and not even give her a chance to prove herself. She didn't ask to die and be resurrected by human supremacists. That's not to say that Kaidan is a bad person, a bad LI choice, or that his reaction is unrealistic. I do think it is realistic, but so is Garrus believing in Shepard and being willing to give his old friend a chance. As a player with no control over who Shepard is working for, I feel much warmer toward the latter. Plus, Garrus has a great personality and ME2 doesn't let you get to know Kaidan, so by the time we reunited in ME3, Kaidan had no chance I hope you will enjoy whoever you choose, phoray From what I've understood from comments from Joker about Garrus, and my half remembered impression of Garrus from ME1, Garrus has changed in the last 2 years. And he touches on that when you reconnect with him. He used to be by the book and wouldn't have touched Cerberus with a ten foot pole. Two years passed, he grew disenfranchised with the Alliance, and he became a murder happy vigilante. This is why he's okay with Cerberus. Why isn't Kaidan? I think Kaidan took up the mantle of Shepherd as best he could- got a promotion, fighting the good fight,inside the rules of the Alliance. He hasn't burnt out yet and he's trying to be the Hero he thinks Shepherd was before s/he died. Everyone on the the SR2 has the same story,more or less- fed up with the Alliance, they joined a part of Cerberus they knew would be under the control of Commander Shepherd. Kaidan hasn't and possibly won't? Reach that point. It's a bit American in a way- you know the US government gets pretty dirty but you believe in the feeling/meaning behind it anyway. The bill of rights and our Constitution is a grand thing. And if you give up on your government, it'll never change. So ten Shepherd comes along working for Cerberus and he feels disappointed, betrayal, can't even believe You would give up on your.. Morality like that. If Sheperd is his guiding beacon.... He feels lost. I can imagine he even feels pretty fucked up, like which way is north now? So, yeah. I cut him some slack on his reaction. and it can't be only Shepherd who is allowed to be a hothead. The rest of the characters didn't attach o Shepherd the same way, and were probably healthier for it. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Garrus falling into Vigilante justice was a result of losing Shepherd as well. Joker talks about how everyone drifted apart and felt lost after Shepherd death.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 19, 2017 3:15:32 GMT
I came to say essentially this about the scene with Kaidan, with the caveat that I haven't played ME1 yet, so maybe my opinion will change once I do. As a player, I knew that Cerberus was shady (I didn't know how shady) but I didn't have any choice but to work with them/use them for the duration of the game. It was not heartwarming to have an old friend dismiss Shepard right off the bat and not even give her a chance to prove herself. She didn't ask to die and be resurrected by human supremacists. That's not to say that Kaidan is a bad person, a bad LI choice, or that his reaction is unrealistic. I do think it is realistic, but so is Garrus believing in Shepard and being willing to give his old friend a chance. As a player with no control over who Shepard is working for, I feel much warmer toward the latter. Plus, Garrus has a great personality and ME2 doesn't let you get to know Kaidan, so by the time we reunited in ME3, Kaidan had no chance I hope you will enjoy whoever you choose, phoray From what I've understood from comments from Joker about Garrus, and my half remembered impression of Garrus from ME1, Garrus has changed in the last 2 years. And he touches on that when you reconnect with him. He used to be by the book and wouldn't have touched Cerberus with a ten foot pole. Two years passed, he grew disenfranchised with the Alliance, and he became a murder happy vigilante. This is why he's okay with Cerberus. Why isn't Kaidan? I think Kaidan took up the mantle of Shepherd as best he could- got a promotion, fighting the good fight,inside the rules of the Alliance. He hasn't burnt out yet and he's trying to be the Hero he thinks Shepherd was before s/he died. Everyone on the the SR2 has the same story,more or less- fed up with the Alliance, they joined a part of Cerberus they knew would be under the control of Commander Shepherd. Kaidan hasn't and possibly won't? Reach that point. It's a bit American in a way- you know the US government gets pretty dirty but you believe in the feeling/meaning behind it anyway. The bill of rights and our Constitution is a grand thing. And if you give up on your government, it'll never change. So ten Shepherd comes along working for Cerberus and he feels disappointed, betrayal, can't even believe You would give up on your.. Morality like that. If Sheperd is his guiding beacon.... He feels lost. I can imagine he even feels pretty fucked up, like which way is north now? So, yeah. I cut him some slack on his reaction. and it can't be only Shepherd who is allowed to be a hothead. The rest of the characters didn't attach o Shepherd the same way, and were probably healthier for it. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Garrus falling into Vigilante justice was a result of losing Shepherd as well. Joker talks about how everyone drifted apart and felt lost after Shepherd death. Isn't Kaidan Canadian? As I said, I understand Kaidan's reaction, but as a player, I prefer allies who don't punish me for things that aren't written into the game. *shrug* I just finished ME3 a few minutes ago. After that romance with Garrus, there is no going back for me I hope you enjoy it either way.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 19, 2017 3:19:53 GMT
No, I guess that's a pretty fair assessment.
One thing is that in ME1, Garrus is already kinda fed up with authority when he joins the Normandy crew. He wants to take Saren down by all means necessary (in part because he feels that Saren tarnishes the reputation of turians and is a traitor to his people). He doesn't like all the red tape, C-Sec put on him, so he quits and joins Shepard. During ME1, with conversations throughout the game as well as a Garrus specific mission, you can slowly persuade him to either embrace this more (literally) renegade mentality or you can convince him that C-Sec's more deliberate approach isn't so bad after all.
However IIRC, this will basically only change one line in Garrus' backstory: If you encourage him towards the renegade approach, he will try to enlist with the Spectres after ME1, if you persuade him towards paragon, he'll try to go back to C-Sec. Either way, it doesn't work out and he ends up on Omega.
And yea, Kaidan is Canadian, from Vancouver to be precise.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 3:30:24 GMT
I didn't mean to imply Kaidan was American. I meant, as an American myself, I can ascribe the "Try to believe in your Government and work inside the rules to improve things" mentality to Americans. I actually kinda suck and have never been outside the country so there is very likely teh same sorts of people in every country.
But I look at Kaidan and see wholesome American Soldier Boy Scout Guy (which I'm not into in real life at all, funny) and so I understand the Trope of his character and can extrapolate (or imagine) from there what his reasoning is.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 19, 2017 3:58:20 GMT
What's Shepard doing now, phoray?
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I came to say essentially this about the scene with Kaidan, with the caveat that I haven't played ME1 yet, so maybe my opinion will change once I do. As a player, I knew that Cerberus was shady (I didn't know how shady) but I didn't have any choice but to work with them/use them for the duration of the game. It was not heartwarming to have an old friend dismiss Shepard right off the bat and not even give her a chance to prove herself. She didn't ask to die and be resurrected by human supremacists. That's not to say that Kaidan is a bad person, a bad LI choice, or that his reaction is unrealistic. I do think it is realistic, but so is Garrus believing in Shepard and being willing to give his old friend a chance. As a player with no control over who Shepard is working for, I feel much warmer toward the latter. Plus, Garrus has a great personality and ME2 doesn't let you get to know Kaidan, so by the time we reunited in ME3, Kaidan had no chance I hope you will enjoy whoever you choose, phoray From what I've understood from comments from Joker about Garrus, and my half remembered impression of Garrus from ME1, Garrus has changed in the last 2 years. And he touches on that when you reconnect with him. He used to be by the book and wouldn't have touched Cerberus with a ten foot pole. Two years passed, he grew disenfranchised with the Alliance, and he became a murder happy vigilante. This is why he's okay with Cerberus. Why isn't Kaidan? I think Kaidan took up the mantle of Shepherd as best he could- got a promotion, fighting the good fight,inside the rules of the Alliance. He hasn't burnt out yet and he's trying to be the Hero he thinks Shepherd was before s/he died. Everyone on the the SR2 has the same story,more or less- fed up with the Alliance, they joined a part of Cerberus they knew would be under the control of Commander Shepherd. Kaidan hasn't and possibly won't? Reach that point. It's a bit American in a way- you know the US government gets pretty dirty but you believe in the feeling/meaning behind it anyway. The bill of rights and our Constitution is a grand thing. And if you give up on your government, it'll never change. So ten Shepherd comes along working for Cerberus and he feels disappointed, betrayal, can't even believe You would give up on your.. Morality like that. If Sheperd is his guiding beacon.... He feels lost. I can imagine he even feels pretty fucked up, like which way is north now? So, yeah. I cut him some slack on his reaction. and it can't be only Shepherd who is allowed to be a hothead. The rest of the characters didn't attach o Shepherd the same way, and were probably healthier for it. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Garrus falling into Vigilante justice was a result of losing Shepherd as well. Joker talks about how everyone drifted apart and felt lost after Shepherd death. A few misconceptions: Garrus was never part of the Alliance. None of the aliens Shepard recruits in ME1 can actually become members of the Alliance since the Alliance is a purely human military organization and they are aliens. It is also very unusual that Cerberus would recruit aliens given that they are a pro-human organization. (Mordin says as much during his recruitment mission.) The Citadel Council is not actually the government of any species. They are more like the UN than anything. Of the individuals Shepard recruits, none are former members of the Alliance and none are "fed up with the Alliance." The individuals Shepard "inherits" with the Normandy (Joker, Chakwas, Chambers, Gardner, Donnelly and Daniels) are portrayed that way... but there is another reason for this that is revealed in ME3.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 19, 2017 5:12:06 GMT
Frankly, it looks like you get it more than those that have played ME1!! One thing though: you didn't even get the romance-reunion with Kaidan on Horizon. What you saw is the friend-reunion, which I think isn't as heavy as the romance one since in romance Kaidan was in a loving relationship with you and then shit hit the fan. Hard. So don't worry, he didn't "break up" with you -- there's always hope in 3! He's upset now but he'll cool off. I couldn't blame him for the way he felt either, and didn't disagree with him. I don't blame Kaidan, either. If I did, I probably wouldn't have romanced him in ME3. If I were to place blame it would be on Anderson. He knew Shepard was trustworthy but intentionally kept Shepard and Kaidan from knowing about anything that was going on. Ditto for Hackett. All either of them had to do was say "Alenko, Shepard is undercover. Can't offer you more information at the moment." It's this lack of communication that made things unreasonably difficult. Definitely would have altered some scenes in ME3.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 19, 2017 5:18:27 GMT
There was a couple problems I had with the Jacob breakup scene I watched. 1. Only 6 months had passed and he was like, "why you so upset? You expected me to wait for you?" 2. His reasons for falling for the new woman were vague, except for the having babies part. I can't remember if it was a dialogue choice but the Shepherd I watched said they wanted babies too. "Some day." Um... What? Then he was like, "we're all gonna die anyway." Um... So why is babies the deal breaker? 3. Shepherd had to force the conversation. If she hadn't asked, the conversation would never have been had. And when the Shepherd I watched pushed him to pick up things with her again and ditch the new girl,he acted like the idea of cheating on the new girl was abhorrent and he was above that. Haha what? 4. So, it wasn't even a good breakup. Like, real reasons could have been chosen. But he wouldn't own up to his decisions past or present and so it was one of those breakups were you scratch your head and leave dissatisfied. Nothing like Blackwall admitting his sins and explaining why of what's he's done with passion and way more than a little regret. Jacob breaks up with you like a teenager- he's got new tail to chase an can't be bothered to communicate. On top of that, flirting with him is awkward for no other reason than he's awkward. Not like Kaidan where e was actually your subordinate and a little worried about fraternization. Or like Garrus because he lacks confidence in the interspecies thing. It wasn't cute. I felt like I was forcing myself on him and only...To avoid further awkward did he agree to some drinks. and for this reason, I went ahead and spoiled the Breakup video,because I kinda knew in my heart of hearts that I didn't like the chemistry between the two of them. And I'm just doing a romance to do one in 2 with every intention of jumping on the Kaidan train come ME3- but I still want to enjoy myself. Someone must be my romantic sacrifice Forgot to say, this is the same reaction I had to flirting with Jacob as well. Shepard sounds sultry with everything she says, and Jacob doesn't seem to want it at all. No one deserves to have unwelcome romantic attention forced on them, so giving up on him felt right.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 5:21:38 GMT
What's Shepard doing now, phoray? I am at work. 11 hour shift and then I'm on call at the hospital. Just finished an OB Ultrasound and hopefully can head home to game after this.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 19, 2017 6:01:31 GMT
Eh. Ship-wars = shit-wars I didn't mean to imply Kaidan was American. I meant, as an American myself, I can ascribe the "Try to believe in your Government and work inside the rules to improve things" mentality to Americans. I actually kinda suck and have never been outside the country so there is very likely teh same sorts of people in every country. But I look at Kaidan and see wholesome American Soldier Boy Scout Guy (which I'm not into in real life at all, funny) and so I understand the Trope of his character and can extrapolate (or imagine) from there what his reasoning is. That's not quite it. In ME1 you can learn about Kaidan's rocky past (he was a bit of a smart ass, even ) and why it makes him so cautious. He's personally suffered the harm of cut-corners (such as the likes of what Cerberus does) as well as the risks of losing his self-control as a biotic. He was forced into a "training program" for biotic humans as a teen when humanity still didn't know shit about it and a lot of what they did was unrestricted and clandestine (which resulted in abuse of students). Kaidan is a person who experienced and learned from "off the record" or "above the law" dealings that didn't end well and how destructive it can be. So, he does tend to play more by the book but he isn't so oblivious that he can't see the faults--you get some dialogue about that in ME1. He doesn't want to relive past-mistakes or repeat history. I would also say that Kaidan is independent, not wholly reliant on Shepard as it might seem now. But he does have great respect for them and given his history and how suspect Cerberus is I think it's fair to say that he does feel lost in that moment on Horizon -- which, again, isn't made better by the shitty dialogue options Shepard has. One last thing I'll say about Horizon is that there's also this authoritative air of "Shepard is always right, how dare anyone question them!" I think it might be an unpopular opinion to agree with Kaidan/Ashley about Horizon, but I see it as reasonable from their perspective despite how forced it feels. Yeah, it's almost like they actually forgot Jacob was a romance and then just stuffed some BS in there to account for the possibility. I like Jacob, but they utterly botched his romance (and as a result his character) to the point that I honestly have a hard time believing they thought what they did was a good idea.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 19, 2017 6:11:03 GMT
Frankly, it looks like you get it more than those that have played ME1!! One thing though: you didn't even get the romance-reunion with Kaidan on Horizon. What you saw is the friend-reunion, which I think isn't as heavy as the romance one since in romance Kaidan was in a loving relationship with you and then shit hit the fan. Hard. So don't worry, he didn't "break up" with you -- there's always hope in 3! He's upset now but he'll cool off. I couldn't blame him for the way he felt either, and didn't disagree with him. I don't blame Kaidan, either. If I did, I probably wouldn't have romanced him in ME3. If I were to place blame it would be on Anderson. He knew Shepard was trustworthy but intentionally kept Shepard and Kaidan from knowing about anything that was going on. Ditto for Hackett. All either of them had to do was say "Alenko, Shepard is undercover. Can't offer you more information at the moment." It's this lack of communication that made things unreasonably difficult. Definitely would have altered some scenes in ME3. Maybe. One thing though is that Anderson isn't necessarily certain it's Shepard until they speak in person with him on the Citadel which can happen after Horizon. He also says that he wasn't sure about Shepard, before or after Horizon, so he did want Kaidan to be unaware for... reasons. Sensitive secret reasons. There was another option, though: Liara knew EVERYTHING the whole damn time. She could've said something, but didn't.
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Post by melbella on Feb 19, 2017 6:18:33 GMT
On who knew what when: I think Hackett knew too. How else did he get Shepard's dog tags for Liara to give back to Shepard? Why would he even think to give them to her unless he knew she had been involved in recovering Shep's body? There's no evidence, but it's really the only thing that makes sense of his "Request denied" response found in the Shadow Broker dossier.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 7:00:57 GMT
you guys and your super secret conversation I make myself not to click. *activate willpower.* Let's see if I can cram in an hour of gaming before bed. Be healthy, already, crazy people! I think where I left off was I was on the planet where I did Miranda's loyalty mission. Since I didn't like her, I traded her out before bed. But someone said, "feed fish after every mission" so I need to board the Normandy, feed the fish, make the rounds, then return for Liara and....Thane. yeah, thane.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 8:17:59 GMT
Damn it, Garrus, talk to me. Even Jack has opened up. @_@ Thane is... Interesting. If anything, he has my eye because Mr calibrations isn't talking... But he's dying. Which is.... Kinda perfect for my moving on to Kaidan later. And dramatic. edit add: eh. A little bit too religious for me. So, let me get this straight. A bit of story. Recruit a ton of people. Do some loyalty missions A bit of story. Recruit even more people. Do even more loyalty missions. Story? Everytime Kelly tells me I have a message, I say aloud, "I'll be taking my messages in my quarters." Makes me feel like Picard. Bedtime.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 19, 2017 9:00:09 GMT
Damn it, Garrus, talk to me. Even Jack has opened up. @_@ Thane is... Interesting. If anything, he has my eye because Mr calibrations isn't talking... But he's dying. Which is.... Kinda perfect for my moving on to Kaidan later. And dramatic. edit add: eh. A little bit too religious for me. So, let me get this straight. A bit of story. Recruit a ton of people. Do some loyalty missions A bit of story. Recruit even more people. Do even more loyalty missions. Story? Everytime Kelly tells me I have a message, I say aloud, "I'll be taking my messages in my quarters." Makes me feel like Picard. Bedtime. I think I remember him taking a little while to start talking, but he will. Keep trying
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:38:39 GMT
Damn it, Garrus, talk to me. Even Jack has opened up. @_@ Thane is... Interesting. If anything, he has my eye because Mr calibrations isn't talking... But he's dying. Which is.... Kinda perfect for my moving on to Kaidan later. And dramatic. edit add: eh. A little bit too religious for me. So, let me get this straight. A bit of story. Recruit a ton of people. Do some loyalty missions A bit of story. Recruit even more people. Do even more loyalty missions. Story? Everytime Kelly tells me I have a message, I say aloud, "I'll be taking my messages in my quarters." Makes me feel like Picard. Bedtime. The story in ME2 is basically a remake of The Dirty Dozen (1967) in space. www.imdb.com/title/tt0061578/What can I say? It worked for MGM. Here's the storyline from imdb: It should sound pretty familiar. As for Garrus... There is a specific order in which the loyalty missions activate. Zaeed's and Kasumi's activate right away when you first recruit them; but the others will unlock in the following order: Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Mordin, Grunt, Garrus, Samara, Tali, Thane, and Legion. The pattern is usually two conversations initially when you first recruit them, then a holding pattern until you get notification from Kelly that they want to talk to you about their loyalty mission. Then they will have nothing to say but to nag you about their loyalty mission until you do their loyalty mission. Then, they'll be a loyalty mission wrap up conversation and maybe 1 or two more conversations (depending on if the player is on a romance path with that character). Jack is an exception in that it is possible for MaleShep to trigger a casual romance scene with Jack prior to her loyalty mission... with consequences that affect the loyalty mission. On average, there are 5 to 7 unique conversations with each of the 12 squad mates, depending on Shep's gender and romance status.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 19, 2017 14:24:31 GMT
Maybe. One thing though is that Anderson isn't necessarily certain it's Shepard until they speak in person with him on the Citadel which can happen after Horizon. He also says that he wasn't sure about Shepard, before or after Horizon, so he did want Kaidan to be unaware for... reasons. Sensitive secret reasons. The moment Anderson says its up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers, I lost any respect I had for the character. He never cared. All he did was sit in his chair for 2 years taking the shape of it. I would put a renegade interrupt for my Shepard to throw him over the balcony. When Shepard says the Alliance made no effort to confirm Shepard's death, he says, "We thought you were dead. As soon as I heard different, I sent you that message". Is that suppose to make me fell better Anderson? Pathetic. Yep. She was a selfish, obsessive asari who has some serious head problems. Too bad Shepard couldn't ask why she never let anyone know. If she had, would it have made a difference on Horizon when Shepard meets A/K? On who knew what when: I think Hackett knew too. How else did he get Shepard's dog tags for Liara to give back to Shepard? Why would he even think to give them to her unless he knew she had been involved in recovering Shep's body? There's no evidence, but it's really the only thing that makes sense of his "Request denied" response found in the Shadow Broker dossier. I find that very hard to believe. Why would he give the tags to an alien instead of Shepard's mother, for those that play a spacer? The other thing is what guarantee did he have Shepard would see Liara? The excuse Liara give is that the tags exchanged hands a few times before ending up in Hackett's.
If she is romanced, she says she recovered them. So there are 2 versions. Why? Which one is the correct version? I would say she took them off the body just like she took the armor off the body for her to display like its some kind of trophy. Still I like for Bioware to explain why there is 2 versions and to say which version is the correct one.
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Post by phoray on Feb 19, 2017 15:00:51 GMT
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Ooooo. So, I can stop visiting Garrus till closer to his loyalty mission. Less frustration that way.
Is there a mod that allows more sniper ammo? 10 shots than scrounging for ammo ( which doesn't always seem to drop) is irritating. I want to snipe people and the game is forcing me to change to other guns. I don't want to. I lived on sniping when I played Borderlands and this 10 bullet limit is silly.
I would look myself but one mod I looked at started mentioning specific missions and I was like ack! Spoilers!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:28:35 GMT
@upupawayredux Ooooo. So, I can stop visiting Garrus till closer to his loyalty mission. Less frustration that way. Is there a mod that allows more sniper ammo? 10 shots than scrounging for ammo ( which doesn't always seem to drop) is irritating. I want to snipe people and the game is forcing me to change to other guns. I don't want to. I lived on sniping when I played Borderlands and this 10 bullet limit is silly. I would look myself but one mod I looked at started mentioning specific missions and I was like ack! Spoilers! You can purchase an "Offhand Ammo Pack" from one of the shops on the Citadel (the one on the uppermost level). It increases the ammo capacity of all weapons by 10%. It is an armor piece (actually a gauntlet), so you'll have to equip it at your armor terminal before you can use it. The trade off is that you'll lose whatever "boost" your current gauntlets are giving you. It can also be a little finicky... i.e. sometimes doesn't take effect right at the start of some missions. It should take effect though after you top up with ammo the first time while on the mission. You will be acquiring a SR with a larger magazine (48 rounds in 12-round clips) on Thane's recruitment mission (the Viper). It's not as powerful as the Mantis (which is the SR you were given at the start) but it will fire rounds much more quickly than the Mantis. You might also have access to the Incisor (which has a 30-shot mag). However, if fires 3 shots basically at once, so most people can only really get 10 effective shots with it) and, of course, each individual shot is not as powerful as one shot from the Mantis... so some people actually lose out on kills they could have made with the Mantis because the victim starts to ragdoll with the first shot from the Incisor and drops out of the headshot just before the second and third shots hit. There are a few other ways you can extend your ammo... 1) Be sure to reload before picking up ammo. That will ensure that you will get full benefit. If the clip in the weapon is not full, the ammo you pick up will not fill that clip if you're otherwise full. 2) Enemies do seem to drop more ammo if killed quickly. 3) You can save and then reload just after a battle. Certain "placed" thermal clips will respawn with the reload. That will enable you to at least go into the next battle with a full load. One of the challenges I like most about ME2 though is that it does force an infiltrator to be very conserving about their SR ammo and to become adept at switching battlefield tactics to suit the SMG and powers when ammo for the SR runs out. If you are playing as an infiltrator... you will be given an option (during an upcoming mission) to select a very, very powerful SR, the M-98 Widow (with a 13-shot mag) or acquiring training in an assault rifle or shotgun (giving you another alternative weapon). I also play Borderlands... great game. However, I do feel that, for the most part, it can easily get too generous with the ammo between SDUs, mods that can regen, and legendary wepaons that can also regen. I'm currently in the middle of a Playthrough 2 of the first game... and between my Guardian AR and my Sniper mod, I'm not even looking in any of the ammo crates right now.
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