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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 19, 2017 23:31:14 GMT
I found my golden commentating duo. So much win Just take Garrus with you on Mordin's loyalty mission. He has one of the best lines ever in that one.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 19, 2017 23:59:41 GMT
I found my golden commentating duo. So much win Just take Garrus with you on Mordin's loyalty mission. He has one of the best lines ever in that one. I heartily agree
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 0:04:40 GMT
Jacob, Mordin, and Jack want me to do their loyalty missions. Miranda and random crew members have nothing left to say. :/ Well, except for the Engineer Joker made me laugh about Thane. Samara is kewl. I like her a lot. After talking about her, Jacob saluted me and left. I thought that was appropriate to our relationship status. Thane got more interesting, telling me about the Drell and their near extinction. Mr Calibrations is still calibrating. Grunt has given me another reason to hit Tunchaka. How efficient. Alright. Think I'll finish helping Liara. Then go blow a place up with Jack.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 20, 2017 0:24:51 GMT
Aw, I'm glad you like Samara. She's one of my underrated faves. And Garrus's snark is a light in a dark universe. What would we do without Giant Grasshopper Batman? Glad things seem to be picking up for you, phoray. ME has less companion interaction than DA in general... and by that I mean, fewer comments and less banter. BUT the consequences of your choices tend to be greater simply because it's a trilogy with a single protagonist and they can afford to take risks like that. Keep talking to dem squaddies!
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 0:25:21 GMT
I like this mission with Erinys and Shiala. It was a little rushed, though. Should have extended it. Asari are so into touching I like the way Thane moves when he's killing people. Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. Conrad Verner. Didn't they call him "biggest fan" or something? On ME1
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I like this mission with Erinys and Shiala. It was a little rushed, though. Should have extended it. Asari are so into touching I like the way Thane moves when he's killing people. Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. Conrad Verner. Didn't they call him "biggest fan" or something? On ME1 Conrad's side-quest in ME1 is indeed labeled "Citadel: The Fan." He can return in ME3.
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 1:47:05 GMT
I prefer Miranda's alternative outfit. I really liked Jack's loyalty mission. Still a bit confused about how it's connected to Kaidan's school. Who next.... Garrus finally wants something. So does Mordin, Grunt, and Jacob. I want to hold off on Garrus until Thane makes his request. That way, I can flirt with both simultaneously and see what happens. Ooooooo...First flirt with lonely Thane. Me likey. Now I have Samara's loyalty mission. All this talking is what I'm in for
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1. They way I'm reading this is that you are still looking for a story that's different from what the story of Mass Effect 2 is. All I can say is that the main story in ME2 IS about building your team. It's the Dirty Dozen (1967) in space. A common criticism is that it departs from the main Reaper plot presented in ME1... but even if it didn't that wouldn't really resolve a lot of your problems, since you're not really connected to that main Reaper plot either (not having done ME1). Doing ME1, though, would have given you a bit better opportunity to have first connected with Shepard himself/herself and a bit better understanding of some of the lore. The bottom line here, I think, is that you've been walking into the second act of a play... and it's a play with a rather disconnected second act as it is. As for squad banter... there is a bit more of it in ME3, but I suspect it's still more limited than some found in DA. As I said, I don't play DA, so I can't really judge. However, I'm suspicious that you're comparing it to a game that was released by Bioware later than ME2 was and that increases in the amounts of squad banter was something they "improved" on as time went on. Certainly, TW3 was released several years after ME2. People learn things from their past efforts... but they can't go back and change those efforts to make them "measure up" to something more recent. 2As for your more recent comment about recruiting and doing all LM's before advancing the plot. You don't have to even recruit everyone (the mandatory ones are: Jacob and Miranda, Garrus, Grunt, Jack and Mordin. There is a minimum number you have to recruit... that 8 of the 12. You don't have to do any of the LM's... but doing them will ensure that at least some of them survive the Suicide Mission. 1. I'm not just comparing ME2 to DAI. I'm comparing ME2 to the entire DA series. But even DAO, which I thought came out a few years before ME2, had more companion discussion. I could ask Alistair, a companion of DAO, about life as a Templar Recruit, the loss of Duncan, his mentor, about the Wardens, a group I'd joined right off the bat. Then one story mission later, I could ask about why he'd kept the King thing a secret, what it was like being raised as a pseudo orphan... And this isn't counting comments he made DURING missions, and the romantic content at all. I could also find plot relevant gifts for him, similar to what Shepherd can do with the Ice Brandy and the Doctor on board the Normandy. Except apply that to all eight companions of DAO. Some people have complained that they feel like they forget the main mission for all the companion content- a thing I would never complain about myself, but gives you an idea of where I'm coming from. A place where you talk to your companions for a solid hour...then go on a mission. Then come back for another half hour to hour of companion discussion content (when going through them all.) Companions can have major reactions to how a major story mission was handled- if a child died on one mission, Alistair has a huge rant prepared for you. If you killed the elves, Zevran has some pretty sharp comments. No matter how the elf thing was resolved, Leliana will sing a song about hope/death right there at the campfire. There is feed back from at least one companion after every mission about the mission. What I'm getting with ME2 is I go on a mission, come back, make rounds, over half of them have nothing to say, I have no plot relevant gifts to spur anything into being... Randomly, Jacob or Miranda will have a few lines about usually their disapproval of dragging someone on board...And considering what you're saying is that ME2 IS it's companions- the bulk being recruitment and loyalty missions- it seems supremely lacking that a companion focused game isn't actually giving you anything but those two paths to get to know your companions. a Third totally optional path to knowing some of your companions is the romance path. Which is tied to mission content rather than how well you got to know them, how well you agreed with them, whether you spent time with them talking to them. This comparison is all Dragon Age Origins. 2. Well, it's good to know that it isn't only recruitment based. I recruit everyone a first game anyway though, but at least I know I'm voluntarily torturing myself now instead of being required. ^U^ I actually felt there was way less companion content in DA2 than in ME2, because between the recruitment and loyalty missions you actually saw what was important to the companion in met, while in DA2 going to visit a companion often resulted in just nothing special... but that's just me.... also I felt that companions bantered to one another way more than they talked with Hawke.
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 2:09:54 GMT
I whined about lack of main story.
Now I'm annoyed they force it on me. I wanted to get caught up on loyalty missions. Will I be allowed to do them all?
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Post by themikefest on Feb 20, 2017 2:16:21 GMT
I whined about lack of main story. Now I'm annoyed they force it on me. I wanted to get caught up on loyalty missions. Will I be allowed to do them all? Yes. I'm guessing you're on the collector ship? If so, once done, do everything that you can. Recruiting and completing loyalty missions. If you have dlc, you can do those as well. Do all that before getting the IFF. As a suggestion. If you have the Arrival dlc, wait to complete it after completing the suicide mission. Why? According to themikefest, it has one of the best scenes in the trilogy Just a heads up in case you haven't already. Get the ship upgrades from Garrus, Tali and Jacob
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So, I felt how false it is, and how he only wants her in health and happiness, not in sickness and pain or troubled circumstances. That is just simply not true. In ME1 Kaidan will risk his military career -- which is the only thing he has, it is his life -- to be with Shepard since there are regs against fraternization. He stuck with them through all the trials of ME1 even through stealing the Normandy which could get them at least kicked out of the Alliance. In ME3 during Cronos Station Shep can voice being unsure if they even are still the real Shepard and Kaidan says "You're real enough for me." --He will still love them regardless of what they might even be or what they think they are. He also says he doesn't take sex/relationships lightly; he is committed to Shep but that doesn't mean he's perfect, or will always see eye-to-eye or be a blind follower. Kaidan is not shallow just because of one argument, and Horizon is a rather extreme case of WTF for him. --One he regrets, sends a message to Shep about afterward and tries to make up for it in 3. He's only human, after all, and will make mistakes.
Now, I get it. Some people would rather have a romance without drama -- which is what they did to Kaidan/Ashley, inserted drama -- and everybody has their opinions, and I'm certainly not going to turn this thread into a Kaidan topic any more than I already have. But there does seem to be a double-standard in this when blaming Kaidan for not accepting Shep in a difficult time, then in turn not accepting Kaidan in his difficult time regardless of why he's having one. Oh, and, Jacob mentioning drinks isn't romance specific. I edited it out of my earlier post because phoray mentioned going for Garrus instead, but Jacob's romance can be tricky to trigger because there's only ONE chance to start it and that can be missed early on in the game. I actually never minded Shepard's response options so much. Can't s/he say something like "I was out for 2 years, so I couldn't reach out to you. I've only been back for a very short time."? I mean, yea, it would have been nice to specify that Kaidan/Ash were alreay under cover and unreachable but given their reaction, I felt taht they already got that.
Then there is the Cerberus issue. Shepard can say "I don't work for Cerberus, I am just using their resources." or something like that. The VS doesn't believe that (and I can't blame them, it does sound like an excuse) but there really was nothing else Shepard could have said here that would really make a difference.
Really, to me, the problem was more that the game didn't allow me to act like Kaidan/Ash wanted me to act but in that conversation itself, I can't think of anything Shep could have possibly said at that point.
BTW: Kaidan has exactly such a moment in ME1 as well. After Novaria, he will tell you he'd rather left the Rachni Queen in the cage and left the decision to kill or free her up to the council, especially because humanity was not around for the original Rachni wars. Well, THANK YOU for reminding me Kaidan, that was exactly what I thought when I was there but the game wouldn't let me take the logical approach. I really wonder, how a writer could be so blind as to scold the protagonist/player for not taking a choice they never offered in the first place. It just draws attention to the limits of the game's design, nothing more.
I am completely with Kaidan within that conversation but I am not with the writer who came up with the entire scenario. Same on Horizon in ME2. I get both Kaidan's and Shepard's side of that particular conversation, the screw up happened in everything leading up to it. No spoilers here, just sliding under a cut to keep from cluttering the thread too much. Well, it's not really as though Kaidan is scolding you about that. IIRC he is asked about his opinion and that's what he says. But yeah, I get what you mean.
In terms the Horizon dialogue, all of it was just awful. I think because it feels so obviously forced there's probably not much that could be done to fix it aside from just rewriting the whole thing. The line Shep can say about being gone for 2 years and only just waking up isn't... there's not much comforting in they way it's stated. It's set up to have K/A be angry and then Shep go "that's your problem." Shep also doesn't have any romance specific lines so the whole thing just... :facepalm: :hithead:
Well, he was carried with the flow in ME1, but the moment Shepard steps beyond what he is comfortable with, out comes the yelling, and he won't even listen. It's not even a calm and measured "let me think about it", oh, no, it's a full blown hysteria. She is not good enough for him just because she put on a different uniform. By being pressed into a compromise. No, in my books, he is not to be trusted after this kind of a betrayal. Loyalty is not blind, loyalty makes you at least ask what happened, and he does not want a single part of it. Well, the feeling is mutual. And then in me3 he asks if she wants to get back together just as her true love is dying in the hospital. Way to go! You know, Kaiden, some of us, humans stay loyal to the end and don't run away at the first sight of troubles.... Liara at least asked my male Shepard about Jack, Kaiden just expected her to jump the moment he said it was okay now, since she is a good Alliance girl.... the nerve.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 2:18:11 GMT
I whined about lack of main story. Now I'm annoyed they force it on me. I wanted to get caught up on loyalty missions. Will I be allowed to do them all? Yes I was surprised (and not in a good way) by the timed missions, too. I ended up exploiting a loophole for the second timed mission in order to delay it, but depending how many companions you recruited already, that may not be possible. What mission is it forcing on you? The Collector ship? Not to worry though, you will be able to do all recruitment and loyalty missions. There is a point of no return, but you aren't there yet. Edit: Ninja'd twice
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 2:24:07 GMT
Sheperd: Tim betrayed us! Garrus: and here I thought I'd met my quota for murder and betrayal this year. Haha. Garrus, you silly head.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 2:30:14 GMT
Sheperd: Tim betrayed us! Garrus: and here I thought I'd met my quota for murder and betrayal this year. Haha. Garrus, you silly head. See? He's delightful. The collector ship is freaky, no?
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 20, 2017 2:39:21 GMT
Well, he was carried with the flow in ME1, but the moment Shepard steps beyond what he is comfortable with, out comes the yelling, and he won't even listen. It's not even a calm and measured "let me think about it", oh, no, it's a full blown hysteria. She is not good enough for him just because she put on a different uniform.Different uniform? You mean, like, the uniform of a terrorist organization?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 20, 2017 2:42:46 GMT
I really liked Jack's loyalty mission. Still a bit confused about how it's connected to Kaidan's school. They're not connected. Cerberus had Jack and Kaidan was in a separate thing. Sorry if I confused that for you. Well, he was carried with the flow in ME1, but the moment Shepard steps beyond what he is comfortable with, out comes the yelling, and he won't even listen. It's not even a calm and measured "let me think about it", oh, no, it's a full blown hysteria. She is not good enough for him just because she put on a different uniform. By being pressed into a compromise. No, in my books, he is not to be trusted after this kind of a betrayal. Loyalty is not blind, loyalty makes you at least ask what happened, and he does not want a single part of it. Well, the feeling is mutual. "Hysteria"? That's putting dramatically and quite honestly is dismissive of who he is. Part of why Kaidan reacts the way he does is because of his background and personal experience from BAat. Moreover, thinking Cerberus is evil after witnessing all they've done, seeing Shepard die -- he's not even 100% certain it's the real Shepard in front of him. It has nothing to do with Shep not being good enough -- or is it really so unreasonable for him to be a upset and disoriented or just disagree? No, I guess people really aren't allowed to make mistakes. It's unfair of Kaidan to question Shepard or mistrust them because of Cerberus. But it's ok to be unwilling to understand Kaidan's perspective even though he was "unwilling" to understand Shepard's. But you know what? It really doesn't matter. End of the day Kaidan is my favorite and you don't like him. That's not gonna change.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 20, 2017 2:47:25 GMT
I really liked Jack's loyalty mission. Still a bit confused about how it's connected to Kaidan's school. They're not connected. Cerberus had Jack and Kaidan was in a separate thing. Sorry if I confused that for you. Well, he was carried with the flow in ME1, but the moment Shepard steps beyond what he is comfortable with, out comes the yelling, and he won't even listen. It's not even a calm and measured "let me think about it", oh, no, it's a full blown hysteria. She is not good enough for him just because she put on a different uniform. By being pressed into a compromise. No, in my books, he is not to be trusted after this kind of a betrayal. Loyalty is not blind, loyalty makes you at least ask what happened, and he does not want a single part of it. Well, the feeling is mutual. "Hysteria"? That's putting dramatically and quite honestly is dismissive of who he is. Part of why Kaidan reacts the way he does is because of his background and personal experience from BAat. Moreover, thinking Cerberus is evil after witnessing all they've done, seeing Shepard die -- he's not even 100% certain it's the real Shepard in front of him. It has nothing to do with Shep not being good enough -- or is it really so unreasonable for him to be a upset and disoriented or just disagree? No, I guess people really aren't allowed to make mistakes. It's unfair of Kaidan to question Shepard or mistrust them because of Cerberus. But it's ok to be unwilling to understand Kaidan's perspective even though he was "unwilling" to understand Shepard's. But you know what? It really doesn't matter. End of the day Kaidan is my favorite and you don't like him. That's not gonna change. If that's a reason to not like Kaidan, it's a poor one. The OP should equally dislike Ashley because she does the same damn thing.
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 2:53:43 GMT
Um, I'm not disliking Kaidan? I have a huge crush on him? Thane has given me his loyalty mission. When I asked Why me he said. "I don't need your help. I want it."
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 2:57:40 GMT
Um, I'm not disliking Kaidan? I have a huge crush on him? Thane has given me his loyalty mission. When I asked Why me he said. "I don't need you help. I want it." Make sure you create a save before that mission because it can actually be failed. I did the first time, and had to reload.
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 2:59:33 GMT
Sheperd: Tim betrayed us! Garrus: and here I thought I'd met my quota for murder and betrayal this year. Haha. Garrus, you silly head. See? He's delightful. The collector ship is freaky, no? He is funny it's true. Wish that part of his personality came out more. Thane is kinda intense and thoughtful. Loyalty mission seems to be saving his son the same life he now regrets. Garrus's is just a revenge spree. Leaning towards Thane at the moment, especially since he'll probably die on me all dramatic in ME3. I like the idea of his intense memories being about moments with Shepherd. The collector ship was different. I found Horizon with it's frozen people way more creepy.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 3:02:45 GMT
See? He's delightful. The collector ship is freaky, no? He is funny it's true. Wish that part of his personality came out more. Thane is kinda intense and thoughtful. Loyalty mission seems to be saving his son the same life he now regrets. Garrus's is just a revenge spree. Leaning towards Thane at the moment, especially since he'll probably die on me all dramatic in ME3. I like the idea of his intense memories being about moments with Shepherd. The collector ship was different. I found Horizon with it's frozen people way more creepy. Lol. You'd have to break the heart of a dying man, then, I would think. I'm not sure how that actually goes in the game.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 20, 2017 3:29:27 GMT
I whined about lack of main story. Now I'm annoyed they force it on me. I wanted to get caught up on loyalty missions. Will I be allowed to do them all? Yes I was surprised (and not in a good way) by the timed missions, too. I ended up exploiting a loophole for the second timed mission in order to delay it, but depending how many companions you recruited already, that may not be possible. What mission is it forcing on you? The Collector ship? Not to worry though, you will be able to do all recruitment and loyalty missions. There is a point of no return, but you aren't there yet. I think you both should have just gone with it. ME2 lets you play after the ending, so you can always pick up anything you missed.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 3:42:06 GMT
Yes I was surprised (and not in a good way) by the timed missions, too. I ended up exploiting a loophole for the second timed mission in order to delay it, but depending how many companions you recruited already, that may not be possible. What mission is it forcing on you? The Collector ship? Not to worry though, you will be able to do all recruitment and loyalty missions. There is a point of no return, but you aren't there yet. I think you both should have just gone with it. ME2 lets you play after the ending, so you can always pick up anything you missed. Uh...gone with what? I didn't want to hang around ME2 after the endgame, I wanted to play ME3
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 4:04:18 GMT
Well, he was carried with the flow in ME1, but the moment Shepard steps beyond what he is comfortable with, out comes the yelling, and he won't even listen. It's not even a calm and measured "let me think about it", oh, no, it's a full blown hysteria. She is not good enough for him just because she put on a different uniform.Different uniform? You mean, like, the uniform of a terrorist organization? In me world everyone has an agenda, and at that point Cerberus does not stand out as the omg, uber-evil thing. Their rethorics is no different than other nationalistic agendas in the game. Besides, as a Spectre Shepard may well be doing an infiltration mission, which Kaiden does not even consider. As for the willingness to forgive the mistakes, Kaiden never even asks for understanding or forgiveness, and Shepard has never personally failed him. Or yelled at him over his choices. It's unfair that he acts that way, when for removing him from the plot he could have simply backed away with something more palatable if she chose to ask him to give her a benefit of the doubt, like "our ways are parting for now, I hope you will reconsider". Yelling was absolutely unnecessary. Shepard only returns what she was given if she is unwilling to have anything to do with him in her private life after he does it first. Kaiden gets what he deserves, the "thank you for your interest on being back on the team, Mr. Alenko. We'll get back to you."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 4:07:20 GMT
He is funny it's true. Wish that part of his personality came out more. Thane is kinda intense and thoughtful. Loyalty mission seems to be saving his son the same life he now regrets. Garrus's is just a revenge spree. Leaning towards Thane at the moment, especially since he'll probably die on me all dramatic in ME3. I like the idea of his intense memories being about moments with Shepherd. The collector ship was different. I found Horizon with it's frozen people way more creepy. Lol. You'd have to break the heart of a dying man, then, I would think. I'm not sure how that actually goes in the game. You don't break his heart in me3. Shepard and Thane has a wonderful ending (or at least I think so), particularly if you chose one specific ending.
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