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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 7:21:03 GMT
I was conflicted on the genophage cure. I like Wrex. I remember wanting o cure his people in ME1. But Mordin's logic was pretty darn sound. But then I took a step back. Every other race gets the freedom o proliferate and make war. Salarians and humans aren't the Weavers of the Galaxy. So I told him to help the Krogan. By the way,took Garrus and nothing funny happened :/ Garrus does say a line on that mission that can come up again in ME3 (provided you take him on a particular mission in that game as well). It's a neat and surprising reminder of what you did in ME2 when it happens that way (kind of an Easter Egg). I'm getting confused now though... I thought you didn't actually play ME1? I played up until the point of releasing the Rachni Queen. Realized I didn't care if that released an evil upon the Mass Effect Universe. If I didn't care about it, then I didn't care about the game, my Shepherd, or anything else. And Quit. Had enough time to have a few impressions of Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex, Ashley, and definitely thought the Council were idiots. But I think that was pretty early on in the game. And it is why this thread has "2nd chance" as part of the title.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 20, 2017 8:06:38 GMT
I'm hoping that I have a tragic lover death (sounds horrible to say that haha) where I bawl my eyes out and then run to Kaidan for rebound hugs. Ahhh. Reminds me of my first PT of DAI when I broke up with Blackwall due to the lies and rebounded to Cullen. That's my hope, though. Very possible the timing will be wrong for that transition and my Shepherd may end in ME3 a pseudo widow. At least there won't be any baby talk. I'll tell you it certainly is possible. You will have time to decide on Kaidan, but you can ruin your chance with him before then. Can't specify, of course. (Although, I don't think it'll be as difficult technically-speaking as you might think.)
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 8:42:13 GMT
I'm hoping that I have a tragic lover death (sounds horrible to say that haha) where I bawl my eyes out and then run to Kaidan for rebound hugs. Ahhh. Reminds me of my first PT of DAI when I broke up with Blackwall due to the lies and rebounded to Cullen. That's my hope, though. Very possible the timing will be wrong for that transition and my Shepherd may end in ME3 a pseudo widow. At least there won't be any baby talk. I'll tell you it certainly is possible. You will have time to decide on Kaidan, but you can ruin your chance with him before then. Can't specify, of course. (Although, I don't think it'll be as difficult technically-speaking as you might think.) Ooooo. I'm glad to know I get a chance at tears AND happiness!
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I played ME1 twice, and it did not feel particularly evil to me because ME1 had so many enemies thrown your way. There was another corporation doing unethical research, Saren, Geth, gods know what else... Cerberus never really come into focus for me prior to ME2. Then I'll do a slight recap of some things Cerberus did in ME1: they experimented on Thorian creepers, they experimented with the rachni, they experimented in CREATING HUSKS (dragon's teeth and all), they were responsible for the thresher maw attack on Akuze (Toombs and Sole Survivor Shepard are part of that), they lured another group of Alliance marines to a thresher maw nest, and they killed Admiral Kahoku when he investigated. Does that seem like your average organization that wasn't really that bad? To me, it sounds like evil. With Ashley, my male Shepard did not romance her and refused her the return to the Normandy. I already knew how it will happen, so it did not sting as badly as with Kaiden, and I could not go back and replay the entire ME1 to not romance Kaiden, and I also missed the option of telling him to take another assignment in ME3. I was a bit more savvy second time round so my male Shepard did what I wished my female one did. I also did not have a romance I really liked for my male Shepard, unlike Thane's, so I did not have the same astounding show of churliness from Ashley that I had from Kaidrn in respect to acknowledging Shepard's actual love story. That's fine. Just understand that they basically have the same reaction to Shepard on Horizon. Most of the Cerberus and Exogeni experiments felt more like "good intentions that went horribly wrong because the scientists went too far and the corporation then screwed up the cover up really badly". In ME2, at least, Cerberus feels like it is trying to part ways with Exogeni and clean up its act. I don't get your second statement. Just understand what? That they wished they've never romanced Shepard? Great. That's their choice, they initiated the break-up. Shepard did not feel that way until she was yelled at for being resurrected by Cerberus. Then it is perfectly logical for them to part ways, and not to ask how she feels about having another nookie just as her lover is struggling for every breath in the hospital. Done is done. phoray I think you can go that way, but I would not. Due to certain technicalities of the MET, I would make a choice of the last mate you have as a permanent one. The story is epic enough for me to feel the need for the Shepard to have the One True Love, and for that One True Love be in her heart till the very last second of the game. But if Kaiden is your Shepard's One True Love that's the right move. Thane's demise happens late in the game after a bit of very emotionally charged content. If you cheat on Thane with Kaiden, you cannot enter the afterlife with Thane. His letter speaks to his desire to do so with you, not his wife, and mother of his child, and since Shepard actually gets in the ME3 the scientific way to enter afterlife, actually live forever. In a way, it's like an Elven Bond in DnD. [/quote]
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 20, 2017 15:41:54 GMT
I was conflicted on the genophage cure. I like Wrex. I remember wanting o cure his people in ME1. But Mordin's logic was pretty darn sound. But then I took a step back. Every other race gets the freedom o proliferate and make war. Salarians and humans aren't the Weavers of the Galaxy. So I told him to help the Krogan. By the way,took Garrus and nothing funny happened :/ What? Come on, the line about which buildings he likes to fight in is an ME2 classic. As for the genophage, I agree with you, usually take the exact same choice for the exact same reason (and also because I don't think they really thought through the social consequences for Krogan civilization). It's a fiercely debated topic among ME fans though. Anyway, this is not the last you will have heard about the genophage.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 19:17:29 GMT
I was conflicted on the genophage cure. I like Wrex. I remember wanting o cure his people in ME1. But Mordin's logic was pretty darn sound. But then I took a step back. Every other race gets the freedom o proliferate and make war. Salarians and humans aren't the Weavers of the Galaxy. So I told him to help the Krogan. By the way,took Garrus and nothing funny happened :/ What? Come on, the line about which buildings he likes to fight in is an ME2 classic. As for the genophage, I agree with you, usually take the exact same choice for the exact same reason (and also because I don't think they really thought through ll the social consequences for Krogan civilization. It's a fiercly debated topic among ME fans though. Anyway, this is not the last you will have heard about the genophage. I thought that line was hilarious too Either it didn't trigger for phoray, or she has a very different idea of what's funny.
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Post by phoray on Feb 20, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
Oh. That line. Where he said he'd prefer to fight in an antique store but only if it's classy.
Um. It was good, but I got the feeling he was serious... not as funny as when he is sarcastic snarking Shepherd by a longshot, like he did about refusing suicide missions.
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Oh. That line. Where he said he'd prefer to fight in an antique store but only if it's classy. Um. It was good, but I got the feeling he was serious... not as funny as when he is sarcastic snarking Shepherd by a longshot, like he did about refusing suicide missions. The real fun with that line happens when the idea is revisited in ME3... you will need to take him on one specific DLC mission in ME3 to hear it though.
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Post by melbella on Feb 20, 2017 20:44:34 GMT
Oh. That line. Where he said he'd prefer to fight in an antique store but only if it's classy. Um. It was good, but I got the feeling he was serious... not as funny as when he is sarcastic snarking Shepherd by a longshot, like he did about refusing suicide missions. The real fun with that line happens when the idea is revisited in ME3... you will need to take him on one specific DLC mission in ME3 to hear it though. Ok, now I need to know which one you are talking about.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 20:49:02 GMT
The real fun with that line happens when the idea is revisited in ME3... you will need to take him on one specific DLC mission in ME3 to hear it though. Ok, now I need to know which one you are talking about. I think it was the Cerberus lab mission?? I remember hearing the line towards the end of the game, anyway. It was a cute reference.
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Ok, now I need to know which one you are talking about. I think it was the Cerberus lab mission?? I remember hearing the line towards the end of the game, anyway. It was a cute reference. In spoiler: In Citadel DLC - During the fight in the Normandy CIC:
Garrus will shout "One of my favorite places to fight!"
The comment leads into a discussion between him and Shepard that does end with "but only if they're classy."
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2017 21:15:48 GMT
I think it was the Cerberus lab mission?? I remember hearing the line towards the end of the game, anyway. It was a cute reference. In spoiler: In Citadel DLC - During the fight in the Normandy CIC:
Garrus will shout "One of my favorite places to fight!"
The comment leads into a discussion between him and Shepard that does end with "but only if they're classy." Ah, that sounds familiar
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Post by melbella on Feb 21, 2017 1:40:40 GMT
I think it was the Cerberus lab mission?? I remember hearing the line towards the end of the game, anyway. It was a cute reference. In spoiler: In Citadel DLC - During the fight in the Normandy CIC:
Garrus will shout "One of my favorite places to fight!"
The comment leads into a discussion between him and Shepard that does end with "but only if they're classy."
Hmmm....is it possible that dialogue gets overridden by Wrex if you bring him along? Because I usually do.
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In spoiler: In Citadel DLC - During the fight in the Normandy CIC:
Garrus will shout "One of my favorite places to fight!"
The comment leads into a discussion between him and Shepard that does end with "but only if they're classy."
Hmmm....is it possible that dialogue gets overridden by Wrex if you bring him along? Because I usually do. Okay... it lost my reply part somehow... so we'll edit and try again. It's certainly possible. I know that, when I use different squad mate combos, different ones seem to come out being the "dominant" commenter. I don't often taken Wrex on this part. I'm also not sure if Garrus won't say the line if you haven't actually taken him on Mordin's LM mission in ME2.
My personal fave for this mission is actually EDI and James. The conversation in the elevator between them seems to be a lot more "intense" than with the others.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2017 4:18:47 GMT
I played up until the point of releasing the Rachni Queen. Realized I didn't care if that released an evil upon the Mass Effect Universe. If I didn't care about it, then I didn't care about the game, my Shepherd, or anything else. And Quit. Had enough time to have a few impressions of Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex, Ashley, and definitely thought the Council were idiots. But I think that was pretty early on in the game. And it is why this thread has "2nd chance" as part of the title. The Council are still idiots. Politics before, you know, preparing for the return of beings who have wiped out uncounted numbers of beings over the course of at least a billion years.
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Post by melbella on Feb 21, 2017 4:41:23 GMT
Hmmm....is it possible that dialogue gets overridden by Wrex if you bring him along? Because I usually do. Okay... it lost my reply part somehow... so we'll edit and try again. It's certainly possible. I know that, when I use different squad mate combos, different ones seem to come out being the "dominant" commenter. I don't often taken Wrex on this part. I'm also not sure if Garrus won't say the line if you haven't actually taken him on Mordin's LM mission in ME2.
My personal fave for this mission is actually EDI and James. The conversation in the elevator between them seems to be a lot more "intense" than with the others.
I usually take the same companions every time (boring! I know) but I might have to branch out this time, when I get to that part. The only time it's different depends on the LI.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2017 4:47:36 GMT
Then I'll do a slight recap of some things Cerberus did in ME1: they experimented on Thorian creepers, they experimented with the rachni, they experimented in CREATING HUSKS (dragon's teeth and all), they were responsible for the thresher maw attack on Akuze (Toombs and Sole Survivor Shepard are part of that), they lured another group of Alliance marines to a thresher maw nest, and they killed Admiral Kahoku when he investigated. Does that seem like your average organization that wasn't really that bad? To me, it sounds like evil. That's fine. Just understand that they basically have the same reaction to Shepard on Horizon. Most of the Cerberus and Exogeni experiments felt more like "good intentions that went horribly wrong because the scientists went too far and the corporation then screwed up the cover up really badly". In ME2, at least, Cerberus feels like it is trying to part ways with Exogeni and clean up its act. I don't get your second statement. Just understand what? That they wished they've never romanced Shepard? Great. That's their choice, they initiated the break-up. Shepard did not feel that way until she was yelled at for being resurrected by Cerberus. Then it is perfectly logical for them to part ways, and not to ask how she feels about having another nookie just as her lover is struggling for every breath in the hospital. Done is done. You seem to specifically have a problem with Kaidan. I was pointing out that Ashley does the exact same thing. Thus, if you have an issue with Kaidan for it you should similarly have a problem with Ashley for it. The dialogue is for the "Virmire survivor" and not specific to Kaidan. For Cerberus, sure, you can sweep things under the rug if you like, but it's all there. And at not point was I describing what ExoGeni did. I was strictly referring to what Cerberus was responsible for.
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Post by melbella on Feb 21, 2017 4:59:35 GMT
You seem to specifically have a problem with Kaidan. I was pointing out that Ashley does the exact same thing. Thus, if you have an issue with Kaidan for it you should similarly have a problem with Ashley for it. The dialogue is for the "Virmire survivor" and not specific to Kaidan. For Cerberus, sure, you can sweep things under the rug if you like, but it's all there. And at not point was I describing what ExoGeni did. I was strictly referring to what Cerberus was responsible for.
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It is the same, but it isn't. In ME3, male Shep can get mad at Ashley while fem Shep has to apologize to Kaidan. It's totally a double standard the way the game sets it up. So, yeah, I'm pissed at Ashley too, but I can have that reaction in the game. I can't as fem Shep, and that makes it even more upsetting.
Anyway you look at it, the entire encounter on Horizon is stupid. The set up is stupid, the dialogue is stupid, and the aftermath is stupid. Unfortunately, it's what we're stuck with.
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Post by phoray on Feb 21, 2017 5:02:36 GMT
@domi Not really how I play my Romances in a Bioware game sice my first run of Origins introduced me to video game romances. For example: 1st PT of Origins I didn't know romance was a thing. Fell for Alistair, may have slept with Zevran, can't remember.
2nd PT of Origins right after the first was a Cousland who nailed everyone who could be nailed.
Then I finally played DA2. Slept with Isabella, let her leave. Slept with Merrill, told her to leave. Wanted to sleep with Fenris but he saw me as damaged goods or I didn't have enough points. Then Anders came along and swept me off my feet.
1st PT of DAI, I wanted Cullen, but wanted to keep my trend of Wardens. So, I dated Blackwall intending to break up with him. Then got more drama than I bargained for and honestly had a very good reason to break up with him. Then rebounded with a sore heart to Cullen.
Soulmate monogamous play throughs are for later when I'm RPing a certain character. at the same time, I also have planned PT characters, thinking of a male Hawke here, that intends to sleep with everyone. I also one played a Hawke who preferred killing and visiting a brothel when needed.
But I'm polyamorous in real life, and have two men I call husband, so loving two men honestly in a video game is totally normal to me. Why I was trying to time loyalty missions just right because I knew eventually I'd hit a lock out point, and was doing Jacob/Kelly/Garrus/Thane simultaneously
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 21, 2017 5:54:08 GMT
@domi Not really how I play my Romances in a Bioware game sice my first run of Origins introduced me to video game romances. For example: 1st PT of Origins I didn't know romance was a thing. Fell for Alistair, may have slept with Zevran, can't remember. 2nd PT of Origins right after the first was a Cousland who nailed everyone who could be nailed. Then I finally played DA2. Slept with Isabella, let her leave. Slept with Merrill, told her to leave. Wanted to sleep with Fenris but he saw me as damaged goods or I didn't have enough points. Then Anders came along and swept me off my feet. 1st PT of DAI, I wanted Cullen, but wanted to keep my trend of Wardens. So, I dated Blackwall intending to break up with him. Then got more drama than I bargained for and honestly had a very good reason to break up with him. Then rebounded with a sore heart to Cullen. Soulmate monogamous play throughs are for later when I'm RPing a certain character. at the same time, I also have planned PT characters that intend o sleep with everyone. But I'm polyamorous in real life, and have two men I call husband, so loving two men honestly in a video game is totally normal to me Why I was trying to time loyalty missions just right because I knew eventually I'd hit a lock out point, and was doing Jacob/Kelly/Garrus/Thane simultaneously Understandable, but...for Citadel DLC and for the end game, you may want to have one romance locked in just to experience the laughter and tears that come along with it. Your choice, though, of course Edit: thinking of ME3 here, since you are debating whether to stick with Thane or switch to Kaidan.
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Post by phoray on Feb 21, 2017 5:58:58 GMT
@domi Not really how I play my Romances in a Bioware game sice my first run of Origins introduced me to video game romances. ...... Why I was trying to time loyalty missions just right because I knew eventually I'd hit a lock out point, and was doing Jacob/Kelly/Garrus/Thane simultaneously Understandable, but...for Citadel DLC and for the end game, you may want to have one romance locked in just to experience the laughter and tears that come along with it. Your choice, though, of course Edit: thinking of ME3 here, since you are debating whether to stick with Thane or switch to Kaidan. I don't know the timing of ME3 at all. I am open to the idea that staying with Thane until he actually dies may lock me out of other romances. I'm okay with that. but SpiritVanguard said it was possible to have Thane die in my loving arms and then rebound to Kaidan. That would be my perfect ideal. Where Citadel fits in all that, I have no idea. PS. How many pages of your ME2 PT Thread can I actually read now?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 21, 2017 6:03:03 GMT
Understandable, but...for Citadel DLC and for the end game, you may want to have one romance locked in just to experience the laughter and tears that come along with it. Your choice, though, of course Edit: thinking of ME3 here, since you are debating whether to stick with Thane or switch to Kaidan. I don't know the timing of ME3 at all. I am open to the idea that staying with Thane until he actually dies may lock me out of other romances. I'm okay with that. but SpiritVanguard said it was possible to have Thane die in my loving arms and then rebound to Kaidan. That would be my perfect ideal. Where Citadel fits in all that, I have no idea. Citadel dlc is only available after a certain point in the 3, but you can play it whenever you want when it does unlock. So if you'd prefer to wait until later in the game for whatever reason you totally can.
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dragontartare
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 21, 2017 6:08:27 GMT
Understandable, but...for Citadel DLC and for the end game, you may want to have one romance locked in just to experience the laughter and tears that come along with it. Your choice, though, of course Edit: thinking of ME3 here, since you are debating whether to stick with Thane or switch to Kaidan. I don't know the timing of ME3 at all. I am open to the idea that staying with Thane until he actually dies may lock me out of other romances. I'm okay with that. but SpiritVanguard said it was possible to have Thane die in my loving arms and then rebound to Kaidan. That would be my perfect ideal. Where Citadel fits in all that, I have no idea. PS. How many pages of your ME2 PT Thread can I actually read now?That depends...whereabouts are you in the main story? And have you encountered any...um...arguments yet?
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phoray
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Post by phoray on Feb 21, 2017 6:12:01 GMT
dragontartareI have Jacob and Samara's LMs, then I need to Recruit Talk and do her LM. I don't recall any arguments outside of Miranda and Jack getting in each other's faces. I did Horizon and Collector ship.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 21, 2017 6:19:00 GMT
dragontartare I have Jacob and Samara's LMs, then I need to Recruit Talk and do her LM. I don't recall any arguments outside of Miranda and Jack getting in each other's faces. I did Horizon and Collector ship. You can probably get to page 5 or 6... very carefully. I had done Jacob's LM early on (though I don't recall saying much about it other than a general impression) and I might have had Tali already by this point, since I managed to put off doing the Collector ship. Edit: Oh, and what happened with Miranda and Jack? How did it turn out with your imported save?
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