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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 4:55:31 GMT
While I have you here, is it correct understanding that Andromeda folks left way before Shepherd was born? Also, how does the trilogy ending not have an effect on them? I thought the Reapers applied to everywhere, not just the milky way galaxy? They leave before the events of ME3. Its been said that at the beginning of the game, the player will have the opportunity to choose the gender of Shepard. That's all. I get it. Eventually they gotta wipe the slate. I am impressed with the continuity of the ME series but can see it would have gotten ludicrous by the end of the trilogy. It makes me wonder why DA couldn't have tried just a bit harder on the same small things. I sometimes wonder how much work goes into each thing that they say their efforts better spent elsewhere. Because it barely even mattered who Hawke even sided with. |
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 11, 2017 5:59:29 GMT
They leave before the events of ME3. Its been said that at the beginning of the game, the player will have the opportunity to choose the gender of Shepard. That's all. I get it. Eventually they gotta wipe the slate. I am impressed with the continuity of the ME series but can see it would have gotten ludicrous by the end of the trilogy. It makes me wonder why DA couldn't have tried just a bit harder on the same small things. I sometimes wonder how much work goes into each thing that they say their efforts better spent elsewhere. Because it barely even mattered who Hawke even sided with. Playing MET made me wonder this as well  |
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 6:07:42 GMT
I get it. Eventually they gotta wipe the slate. I am impressed with the continuity of the ME series but can see it would have gotten ludicrous by the end of the trilogy. It makes me wonder why DA couldn't have tried just a bit harder on the same small things. I sometimes wonder how much work goes into each thing that they say their efforts better spent elsewhere. Because it barely even mattered who Hawke even sided with. Playing MET made me wonder this as well It may make us feel better to point out that most of the continuity I noticed was in the form of emails. Which is the cheapest continuity there can be, I think. And I love all my DA characters. I would be sad to have never met Fenris because they decided dragging the cast from Origins forward two games |
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 11, 2017 6:09:25 GMT
Playing MET made me wonder this as well It may make us feel better to point out that most of the continuity I noticed was in the form of emails. Which is the cheapest continuity there can be, I think. And I love all my DA characters. I would be sad to have never met Fenris because they decided dragging the cast from Origins forward two games I suppose. I wouldn't want the cast of Origins again simply because I thought most of them were annoying, but I would have loved a second game with Hawke & Friends. |
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 6:15:13 GMT
It may make us feel better to point out that most of the continuity I noticed was in the form of emails. Which is the cheapest continuity there can be, I think. And I love all my DA characters. I would be sad to have never met Fenris because they decided dragging the cast from Origins forward two games I suppose. I wouldn't want the cast of Origins again simply because I thought most of them were annoying, but I would have loved a second game with Hawke & Friends. I think a proper epilogue DLC would have been great with Hawke and Friends. Made better by the epilogue slides of DAI. Whole other game, eh. So you honestly didn't find ME depressing? |
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 11, 2017 6:40:26 GMT
I suppose. I wouldn't want the cast of Origins again simply because I thought most of them were annoying, but I would have loved a second game with Hawke & Friends. I think a proper epilogue DLC would have been great with Hawke and Friends. Made better by the epilogue slides of DAI. Whole other game, eh. So you honestly didn't find ME depressing? As I approached the endgame for ME3? Definitely. I was having a bit of a crisis because I'd gone through all that and only heard the uproar over how awful the endings were, and I was halfway convinced that Shepard's "survival" would be under such bleak circumstances that I would never be able to believe she would live long enough to be rescued. (I can't kill protagonists...seriously. Not even my Wardens, and I don't even like them that much.) And the goodbyes with Garrus on Earth made me teary, they were so well done. But once I actually saw the ending for myself, I was fine. I was expecting something so hopeless that what I actually got made my happy  Plus, you have to remember that I had a happy romance through two games, whereas you picked probably the most depressing one. I'm sure it makes a difference. |
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 6:48:15 GMT
I think a proper epilogue DLC would have been great with Hawke and Friends. Made better by the epilogue slides of DAI. Whole other game, eh. So you honestly didn't find ME depressing? As I approached the endgame for ME3? Definitely. I was having a bit of a crisis because I'd gone through all that and only heard the uproar over how awful the endings were, and I was halfway convinced that Shepard's "survival" would be under such bleak circumstances that I would never be able to believe she would live long enough to be rescued. (I can't kill protagonists...seriously. Not even my Wardens, and I don't even like them that much.) And the goodbyes with Garrus on Earth made me teary, they were so well done. But once I actually saw the ending for myself, I was fine. I was expecting something so hopeless that what I actually got made my happy Plus, you have to remember that I had a happy romance through two games, whereas you picked probably the most depressing one. I'm sure it makes a difference. I was planning to suicide Shepard but...not like that. I thought it would be a death, I didn't know it would require the possibility of a dead undeath. I liked Garrus's goodbye for friend shepard I just... I mean, is there more bonding in ME1? because even two games with him, he was occasionally snark funny but he wasn't like... he never approached Hawke and Varric friendship levels for me, but it was heavily implied they had that sort of friendship. DID I pick THE most depressing ? I pondered whether a Geth siding Talimancer might have had the worst one but only if they were committed to not reloading.  |
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 6:54:48 GMT
When I think of who I actually felt friendship for, I think of Joker, Jack, Samara, Wrex, and Grunt. I had huge impacts on their lives, they knew, I knew it. Samara's hangout in the Citadel was one of the best ones, where two long term friends with strong affection for each other just sat back, enjoying the silence, and watching the world go by. Whereas the Garrus Citadel thing friend version was, "Hey Garrus. Things are crazy, right? But hey, there is that hot chick. Let me be your wingman." His shooting bonding scene was similar to Miranda's drinks apartment thing. It was good, but it was the only moment I felt an emotional response.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 11, 2017 8:05:49 GMT
As I approached the endgame for ME3? Definitely. I was having a bit of a crisis because I'd gone through all that and only heard the uproar over how awful the endings were, and I was halfway convinced that Shepard's "survival" would be under such bleak circumstances that I would never be able to believe she would live long enough to be rescued. (I can't kill protagonists...seriously. Not even my Wardens, and I don't even like them that much.) And the goodbyes with Garrus on Earth made me teary, they were so well done. But once I actually saw the ending for myself, I was fine. I was expecting something so hopeless that what I actually got made my happy Plus, you have to remember that I had a happy romance through two games, whereas you picked probably the most depressing one. I'm sure it makes a difference. I was planning to suicide Shepard but...not like that. I thought it would be a death, I didn't know it would require the possibility of a dead undeath. I liked Garrus's goodbye for friend shepard I just... I mean, is there more bonding in ME1? because even two games with him, he was occasionally snark funny but he wasn't like... he never approached Hawke and Varric friendship levels for me, but it was heavily implied they had that sort of friendship. DID I pick THE most depressing ? I pondered whether a Geth siding Talimancer might have had the worst one but only if they were committed to not reloading. If you want Shepard to die in the normal way, pick destroy and either have a lower EMS, or stick with high EMS and pretend the "breath scene" is her dying breath. Hawke and Varric had been friends for a decade by DAI. That's hard to beat for anyone. For the rest, you're asking the wrong person. I think Garrus is awesome. I felt the warmth between him and Shepard from their very first scene together in ME2 (and remember I'd had no background on the characters before that, and hadn't played ME1, so I didn't know they were "best friends") so I can't really answer your question. I felt the friendship bond right away, and I think they make a cute, established-feeling couple in ME3. |
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Mar 11, 2017 8:18:06 GMT
Hey, thanks for spoiler tagging the MEA stuff.  I liked Garrus's goodbye for friend shepard I just... I mean, is there more bonding in ME1? because even two games with him, he was occasionally snark funny but he wasn't like... he never approached Hawke and Varric friendship levels for me, but it was heavily implied they had that sort of friendship. Mm, not really. At least not compared to 2 or 3 (or DA). It helps to have played the first game with him there the whole time, talking and fighting with him, because it can feel like you've built a relationship with him, but it's not as though there's loads of down-time with the squad in ME1. The impression of Garrus being your bff is because that's how it was written -- and it is quite the sore spot for many. Garrus is popular but there are plenty who don't see him as their ultimate bro. Mass Effect didn't really take player input into account like DA, so you're pretty much forced to be friends with some that you might not even like. It's just likely not as noticeable if you're actually fond of the characters. Fortunately, they have said that character relationships in MEA will be more "natural" so hopefully they've improved. And that the romances will be more than "flirt 3 times then bang." :dumb: |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 11, 2017 16:36:57 GMT
While I have you here, is it correct understanding that Andromeda folks left way before Shepherd was born? Also, how does the trilogy ending not have an effect on them? I thought the Reapers applied to everywhere, not just the milky way galaxy?
The implication I got from playing the ME trilogy is that the Reapers were basically invested in harvesting the Milky Way. They show up, kill every spacefaring race, then go to "dark space" and wait 50,000 years to do it again.
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A happier ending is possible. It was happy enough for me, anyway, and I was super worried as I approached the end game. Do you want to know how to get it for next time? Also, I think I somehow missed when you did the party on Citadel, or did I just forget? I definitely did the party. I told Glyph to make it a loud obnoxious party and Grunt was taking a shower cuz he was so drunk. It had it's moments but mostly I didn't find it very relaxing. Running from area to area to area to try to listen in on my guests rather than just...be with them. Occasionally get to click or actually choose to say something instead of auto dialogue. I think I appreciated the hang out scenes more than the party itself. And the game stole my furniture and changed my picture too, which made it less special. ... if we're talking about further you purchased at the kiosk just outside Shepard's apartment... Did you "apply" it at the desk where your emails come in. There is a catalogue on the desk that you activate that enables you to decide whether or not you want to change to any of the furnishings you've purchased at that kiosk. You can also change them back to normal. It works this way because you can buy more than one look, so the game won't automatically put it in your apartment when you purchase it. |
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Post by melbella on Mar 11, 2017 18:10:00 GMT
... if we're talking about further you purchased at the kiosk just outside Shepard's apartment... Did you "apply" it at the desk where your emails come in. There is a catalogue on the desk that you activate that enables you to decide whether or not you want to change to any of the furnishings you've purchased at that kiosk. You can also change them back to normal. It works this way because you can buy more than one look, so the game won't automatically put it in your apartment when you purchase it.
The problem is, it doesn't keep the right furniture in place even after I've changed it. I have to spend several minutes every time I go back to the Citadel from elsewhere getting the right stuff to appear. Anderson had real crappy taste in furnishings - if they weren't so ugly to begin with, I wouldn't bother.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 18:13:58 GMT
... if we're talking about further you purchased at the kiosk just outside Shepard's apartment... Did you "apply" it at the desk where your emails come in. There is a catalogue on the desk that you activate that enables you to decide whether or not you want to change to any of the furnishings you've purchased at that kiosk. You can also change them back to normal. It works this way because you can buy more than one look, so the game won't automatically put it in your apartment when you purchase it.
The problem is, it doesn't keep the right furniture in place even after I've changed it. I have to spend several minutes every time I go back to the Citadel from elsewhere getting the right stuff to appear. Anderson had real crappy taste in furnishings - if they weren't so ugly to begin with, I wouldn't bother.
That is a bug, I'll admit. It really just started happening to me on the Xbox after the last update we got though. Before that, I never had a problem with having to try to re-place furnishings whenever I leave the DLC and come back. |
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Post by melbella on Mar 11, 2017 18:24:30 GMT
I don't know if I always had the furniture issue or not - I think so. It's like the ladder bug that never existed until Leviathan DLC, and then spread to other parts of the game (for me, at least). I managed to not have any ladder issues in Susan's game, and only one so far in Jake's (at the monastery).
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I don't know if I always had the furniture issue or not - I think so. It's like the ladder bug that never existed until Leviathan DLC, and then spread to other parts of the game (for me, at least). I managed to not have any ladder issues in Susan's game, and only one so far in Jake's (at the monastery). I'm very sure that I didn't have the problem with the furniture for a long time... I'm not really big into the changing the furniture, but I absolutely insist on getting the "simple bedding" for the various romance scenes at the end of the party. It's only recently, that I've noticed that I'll hit that point without the simple bedding installed; and if it had been happening before I would have almost certainly noticed it. I now check before starting any party just to make sure I get a load where the bedding appears before proceeding. However, I know the first time I played, I bought it thinking it would just appear on the bed when I got back to the apartment. When it didn't appear, I thought it was just more "nonexistent stuff" that you could spend money on (e.g. like the flowers and candy in the hospital and the books you buy in ME2 on the Citadel ofr the Fornax magazine you can buy on Omega). It was probably my third playthrough where I noticed the catalogue on the desk... so I thought I'd mention it here... just in case. |
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Post by melbella on Mar 11, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
I know the feeling....it took me a while to figure how to invite people to the apt for meet-ups. I didn't even notice the other icon at the terminal.  |
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 19:32:39 GMT
The problem is, it doesn't keep the right furniture in place even after I've changed it. I have to spend several minutes every time I go back to the Citadel from elsewhere getting the right stuff to appear. Anderson had real crappy taste in furnishings - if they weren't so ugly to begin with, I wouldn't bother.
That is a bug, I'll admit. It really just started happening to me on the Xbox after the last update we got though. Before that, I never had a problem with having to try to re-place furnishings whenever I leave the DLC and come back. I bought it. I applied it. I left. I came back. It wasn't there. I go to terminal. It's not even in the list anymore. I pick the 2nd option (because I bought all options). It again permanently disappears from the list after application even though it's not applied. I go back to the furniture store. They never have the furniture again. But the red kitchen and the different shelf did stay (also disappeared from list but it stayed applied). It was just taking couch, chair, bathroom. |
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Post by themikefest on Mar 11, 2017 19:37:06 GMT
I never had that problem with the furniture. That's because I kept what was in the apartment.
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 19:37:38 GMT
While I have you here, is it correct understanding that Andromeda folks left way before Shepherd was born? Also, how does the trilogy ending not have an effect on them? I thought the Reapers applied to everywhere, not just the milky way galaxy?
The implication I got from playing the ME trilogy is that the Reapers were basically invested in harvesting the Milky Way. They show up, kill every spacefaring race, then go to "dark space" and wait 50,000 years to do it again.
The AI seems to have left around 2185, which is when ME2 takes place.
So shouldn't the races of other galaxies be so far ahead of us as to be prothean +? Why hasn't synthetic life of these other galaxies come to kill the Milky Way 200 cycles ago? This just makes the catalyst even more illogical doesn't it?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Mar 11, 2017 20:28:04 GMT
I've had some issues with the furniture too. Something that works for me is to go back into the terminal in the apartment and toggle the options. The stuff I bought doesn't show, but if I select the the "defaults" enough times the items will show up on the menu or the apartment will reset to what I bought when I exit the terminal. I've never had it not show up again, but it does bug out sometimes.
heh. bug out. :sure:
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Do you mean that people want Quiz to appear in DA4? That's because of how Trespasser ended. It does imply that the Inquisitor isn't finished  I don't know if it's necessarily a reflection of how much people like the protagonist in this case. I could be wrong, though. Yes but I also mean that people have been more welcoming than unwelcoming to Bioware 'inserting' more 'new' characterization to what the Inquisitor is and how they behave and feel about things. Trespasser may have been the start of that. And this is because of the sense that DAI (main game) Inquisitor was too 'bland'. Not necessarily super unliked, or whatever, just saying that the reputation they have is 'bland'. And that's why it cued cheers with the Trespasser trailer of angry words. |
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Ryder may end up being designed similarly though with an attempt to not have them as boring as Inquisitor in DAI. That said, I don't think Quiz was as bad as some say. My biggest issue with the Inquisitor is she/he couldn't be ruthless. I like playing a ruthless character. The majority of my ME playthroughs have been ruthless. I do believe you're right that Ryder might be similar to the Inquisitor. Makes me wonder what the responses will be for when the asari uses the escape pod. I was bummed out by that, and I'm usually on the Holy Paladin side of things in terms of RPing. I thought DAI was going to have more of a story where I could assert authority closer to how the Inquisition of old could. Instead, I just got some optional short lectures on how I'm not supposed to go that way. DAI sure was moralizing. Shh, game! |
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 11, 2017 21:52:00 GMT
The implication I got from playing the ME trilogy is that the Reapers were basically invested in harvesting the Milky Way. They show up, kill every spacefaring race, then go to "dark space" and wait 50,000 years to do it again.
The AI seems to have left around 2185, which is when ME2 takes place.
So shouldn't the races of other galaxies be so far ahead of us as to be prothean +? Why hasn't synthetic life of these other galaxies come to kill the Milky Way 200 cycles ago? This just makes the catalyst even more illogical doesn't it?
The Catalyst IS illogical. A whole running line we can imagine for the trilogy is 'Stupid machine!', in my opinion.
But it is logical enough with constraints.
I imagine, until further info, that there could be a larger force that at least incidentally protected the Milky Way from even greater interference.
But yes, the Helius cluster of Andromeda will, to our knowledge so far, not have exposure to the Reaping cycles. It'll both have organic civilizations that were not guided by the Reapers indirectly or directly, and it'll have advanced technologies and perhaps levels of existence that this time ARE imaginable and not locked away in Reaper form.
AKA it'll be a crazy desert island of magic. Go read the Tempest play haha.
The Catalyst was deployed to solve a problem that it couldn't fully solve, so it did the closest it thought it could, continuously tried to optimize it, and continuously found evidence to secure its conclusions and conversely guided the Reapers to act on those conclusions. We don't know how the 'rules' work outside of the Milky Way, so that's where the whole 'discovery' part of MEA comes in. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 11, 2017 23:59:54 GMT
The implication I got from playing the ME trilogy is that the Reapers were basically invested in harvesting the Milky Way. They show up, kill every spacefaring race, then go to "dark space" and wait 50,000 years to do it again.
The AI seems to have left around 2185, which is when ME2 takes place.
So shouldn't the races of other galaxies be so far ahead of us as to be prothean +? Why hasn't synthetic life of these other galaxies come to kill the Milky Way 200 cycles ago? This just makes the catalyst even more illogical doesn't it?
There seem to be flaws in what the Catalyst says. Maybe organics in Andromeda have simply been successful at keeping synthetics from taking over. If Protheans and Leviathans could deal with them, why not others? |
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I don't know if it's necessarily a reflection of how much people like the protagonist in this case. I could be wrong, though.