Paragon/Renegade system gone.....people complain

I like the old system of Renegade or Paragon, it gaves you different, fun and unique conversations and actions. Still It won't let you the freedom that this new style willl gives us plus the old system feels more Shepard.

I'm glad they will remove the Paragon/Renegade system. MEA is a new Mass Effect and seems like Bioware cares about the new personality of this game. I'm fine with this still It's the Internet and people will always complain... And the fandom is pretty toxic at least in Tumblr and Youtube they are always complaining about everything since the 1st trailer crying about the jump of Peebee is too weird because she spreads her legs too much to now about this.

I'm happy to see the fandom is pretty awesome here!

Or saving the Heretic Geths so we can controll them later via Project Overlord, or by Admiral Xen. So a paragon choice was made by a renegade character.

It's like in DAI where i can choose the mages, then and after the quest i can choose to free them or enslave them.

Good for role playing purposes, also no paragon or renegade colors there, so i think something similiar will be in MEA too, at least that's my hope.

Had some interesting exchanged with Ian Frazier on Twitter about this:

Me: @tibermoon Hey Will you need to 'earn' dialogue choices in ME:A thru your previous actions/speech (like in ME1-3) or full access always?

Ian: @thediscoeffect Not in the persuade/intimidate sense, but yes, some options only appear because of your story choices.

Me: @tibermoon ok ty. I was worried that if you are a jerk to everyone, it doesn't have consequences. I liked "earning" actions in the trilogy

Ian: @thediscoeffect Oh, there are consequences. And characters will call back to stuff you said or did earlier.

Ehhh... ok. Hawke was fine. It's more that I don't remember much... or anything... of his/her personality. While Shepard doesn't have much of a personality, he/she had some that I can recall. Admittedly I only played DA2 once.

This seems like a fairly reasonable way to go about it. There were certain parts in MET where Paragon/Renegade choices seemed unnecessarily gated.

For example, Thane's loyalty mission interrogation. You had to have a very high Renegade bar to say, "I'm a Spectre, start talking." Shepard IS a Spectre. This is the most obvious thing to say if you need to interrogate someone who thinks they can hide behind laws. Shouldn't need to be a hardcore Renegade to say it.

So I prefer "earning choices" through in-game actions rather than building a bar.

i like the idea of grey morality (eg. witcher 3) tho i still like to be nice and diplomatic in games such as mass effect. remember its better to have friends than enemies!

OT: You're usually better off initiating the loyalty arguments (Jack vs Miranda, Tali vs Legion) as early as possible.

The system tracks the number of blue paragon responses you have used as you go through the game, as a percentage of the total paragon responses you could have used. Each time you miss the opportunity to use one, your percentage goes down.

Eg. at a certain point in the game you have had four opportunities to use a blue paragon response, and taken all four. Your are then at 100%. If you then miss the next opportunity you will be 4 from 5 and drop to 80%.

The longer you play, the more opportunities you have to miss a response and damage your percentage. The system is the same for renegade, but tracked separately.

You need a certain percentage to be able to defuse each fight. IIRC, the Jack vs Miranda fight is easier to defuse as a renegade, while for Tali vs Legion it's easier as a paragon.

If you miss out on one you should still have an opportunity to win back the jilted squadmate's loyalty through a conversation option later, although you'll still lose any romance you started with them.

I'm on the fence about this decision, for a few reasons. I am very excited for Mass Effect Andromeda and think it will be an amazing game. I have not felt supremely negative about any of the information to come out so far, although the SEEMING limit to 3 active powers is a bit troubling, but I can understand the why and I feel when I get my hands on it this will not bother me as much.

On topic, there are things I really enjoyed about the paragon/renegade system. I enjoyed the classification (is this playthrough going to be a paragon or a renegade Shep?), the iconicness of it (Paragon on the streets, Renegade in the sheets), and the symbols (great ideas for tattoos and whatnot). I also liked that, for the most part, the paragon and renegade options created two very different outcomes, and this is the part that troubles me most about the change.

I would like to see this new conversation system in action, but I fear that it will basically be giving Ryder multiple ways to reach the same conclusion. I know this has been echoed before, and because I fear it doesn't mean that's what will happen, but I really want there to be many meaningful choices and I feel like this system of conversation will limit that.

I know that this is a Bioware game and of COURSE there is going to be meaningful decisions to make. I just don't want conversations to go about the same way, just with a snarky/caring/ragey demeanor.

I will say that I think this will allow us better clarity on what is going to actually be said and with what tone, and that is very nice. Before I would pick an option and occasionally say "No! Shep! Wait! Why would you say that?" when the words came out of her mouth. So this could mean a much better dialogue system. I am sure I will be happy to play it as is. I don't mind change, and sometimes it is for the better. This doesn't diminish my excitement for MEA at all, just some nostalgia for the old times will be had when I can't smash that renegade interrupt (I know there are still interrupts, but it won't be a RENEGADE interrupt).

Perhaps the "you don't worry" there would more properly be replaced with an "I don't worry." I have no idea how the fanbase as a whole reacts, but Ocelot, your playstyle sounds a little ridiculous to me. What sort of spineless weakling bases all his decisions on what his friends like?

I don't worry regardless of the system. Meter or no meter, I play my PC and the NPCs do whatever they want to do. As a matter of RP, of course, my PCs will be concerned with some of the NPCs reactions some of the time, but it's very much a secondary concern. And if a guy walks, he walks, although I don't see how you can manage to drive Cole away without doing a lot of bad stuff. And Blackwall too? What sort of douchebag were you playing?

And what on earth do you mean by "nothing you can do about it"? I can't think of any mandatory approval penalties in the game. Aren't all the points choice-related?

All that matters to me are PLENTIFUL dialogue options like I had in DA:O. It doesn't matter to me if it comes with or without some blue/red boy scout/douchebag points.

Because if I didn't get those approval points, I would miss out on content eventually. Since you need a certain amount of approval points to unlock further dialogue with companions etc.

And its quite easy to lose both Cole and Blackwall. If you let Celene die at Halamshiral, they both get Greatly Dissapproves twice.

And yes, the points are choice related. Which is was my first issue as mentioned in my post

Like the Turian seller in ME2 when we let the council die.

Or in DA2 the friend/rivalry system, when Aveline didn't really like my criminal lifestyle I'm hoping much more of those moments.