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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 18, 2018 19:26:05 GMT
When faced with death or using dodgy tech which would you choose? After rewatching it, the options are different. It's either death by staying, fleeing (which they start doing), or upgrading using technology they do not trust and is known to warp the minds of sentients. I'd pick the first two. But in truth, it's not needed, Legion disseminates the code after Shepard has shouted down the Quarian fleet. Legion doesn't have to continue upgrading them at that point. I actually would love to have seen some geth leave to go to Andromeda. How would they behave without the Reapers intervening? Besides, why do the geth even need this massive upgrade? They've been evolving over the past 300 years regardless. Why leap forward rather than evolve at their natural pace, perhaps a pace more in sync with the organic races around them? The only reason to do so would be to become vastly superior to organics, which means become a threat. (Saying that, we know that if peace is made, the geth who get the upgrade opt instead to help the quarians with their immune system problem.)
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Post by sil on Mar 18, 2018 23:00:38 GMT
I actually would love to have seen some geth leave to go to Andromeda. How would they behave without the Reapers intervening? Besides, why do the geth even need this massive upgrade? They've been evolving over the past 300 years regardless. Why leap forward rather than evolve at their natural pace, perhaps a pace more in sync with the organic races around them? The only reason to do so would be to become vastly superior to organics, which means become a threat. (Saying that, we know that if peace is made, the geth who get the upgrade opt instead to help the quarians with their immune system problem.) I'm still stunned they never had a stowaway geth storyline on the Nexus. A single form like Legion that was protecting a server containing backups of the geth or something. Saying that, it might turn out that the geth are on the quarian ark, I'm hoping so. At least in the novel they'd be there. And I agree, there isn't much reason for them to upgrade, at least very few that make sense in their strange, very alien culture that the Reaper upgrades kind of nullify. If I ever get any good at dialogue modding, I may have to introduce a "Don't upgrade" dialogue path to peace, with the consequences of weaker geth assistance. We'll see (doubtful though!)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 19, 2018 14:51:55 GMT
When faced with death or using dodgy tech which would you choose? After rewatching it, the options are different. It's either death by staying, fleeing (which they start doing), or upgrading using technology they do not trust and is known to warp the minds of sentients. I'd pick the first two. But in truth, it's not needed, Legion disseminates the code after Shepard has shouted down the Quarian fleet. Legion doesn't have to continue upgrading them at that point. Fleeing wouldn't solve anything. It would make it easier for the Quarians to hunt them down. Given the fact the Geth are smartest when they are networked together. Scattering to the wind only makes them easier and easier targets to hunt down and kill or reprogram to glorified Roombas. Anderson directly states in ME 2 how the scattered pockets of the Geth post Battle of the Citadel put up so little fight it isn't even considered a war anymore. Which is a large change from when they were united behind Sovereign were they posed a massive threat. Enough to push the galaxy to the edge of ruin. Legion is only able to disseminate the code because they accepted help from the Reapers. While given ample time to study and modify the code to remove the malicious aspects of it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 19, 2018 16:53:05 GMT
Doesn't Legion also say that one reason why the geth turned to the reapers was because so many of them were killed at once in the quarian's first attack and that loss of processing power/intelligence/consciousness/whatever (still not quite clear on how that distributed processing is supposed to work exactly) made them fall back to some sort of instinctual level? There may have been less of a thought process in allying with the reapers then a desperate clawing for the very last straw at that moment.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 20, 2018 3:36:01 GMT
Doesn't Legion also say that one reason why the geth turned to the reapers was because so many of them were killed at once in the quarian's first attack and that loss of processing power/intelligence/consciousness/whatever (still not quite clear on how that distributed processing is supposed to work exactly) made them fall back to some sort of instinctual level? There may have been less of a thought process in allying with the reapers then a desperate clawing for the very last straw at that moment. Pretty much. I would imagine the closest equivalent would be going from sober to almost blackout drunk in seconds. Who wouldn't make bad choices.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2018 4:41:37 GMT
Doesn't Legion also say that one reason why the geth turned to the reapers was because so many of them were killed at once in the quarian's first attack and that loss of processing power/intelligence/consciousness/whatever (still not quite clear on how that distributed processing is supposed to work exactly) made them fall back to some sort of instinctual level? There may have been less of a thought process in allying with the reapers then a desperate clawing for the very last straw at that moment. I thought that's why the turned to them in the events of ME3, because the quarians were stupidly attacking them when they thought they had the upper hand. Why did ~1/2 of the geth side with Saren and Sovereign in ME1? It doesn't make sense given that we KNOW the geth allowed the quarians to escape 300 years ago. They could have eradicated them but didn't. What could have changed to turn them against all organics? We know the answer to that, too. Sovereign had some kind of influence over them. It's not the same as indoctrination or else all of the geth would have joined. From what we learned in ME2, Sovereign made 2+2=5 for some geth, so maybe that is a form of indoctrination. We do know that equation can be "fixed" but the believe was that they could be corrupted again. So, in ME3, we could have that are either at half strength or are susceptible to alteration of the equation, two things which might make them want to side with the Reapers.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 20, 2018 11:46:46 GMT
Doesn't Legion also say that one reason why the geth turned to the reapers was because so many of them were killed at once in the quarian's first attack and that loss of processing power/intelligence/consciousness/whatever (still not quite clear on how that distributed processing is supposed to work exactly) made them fall back to some sort of instinctual level? There may have been less of a thought process in allying with the reapers then a desperate clawing for the very last straw at that moment. I thought that's why the turned to them in the events of ME3, because the quarians were stupidly attacking them when they thought they had the upper hand. Why did ~1/2 of the geth side with Saren and Sovereign in ME1? It doesn't make sense given that we KNOW the geth allowed the quarians to escape 300 years ago. They could have eradicated them but didn't. What could have changed to turn them against all organics? We know the answer to that, too. Sovereign had some kind of influence over them. It's not the same as indoctrination or else all of the geth would have joined. From what we learned in ME2, Sovereign made 2+2=5 for some geth, so maybe that is a form of indoctrination. We do know that equation can be "fixed" but the believe was that they could be corrupted again. So, in ME3, we could have that are either at half strength or are susceptible to alteration of the equation, two things which might make them want to side with the Reapers. I thought it was only 1/4th the Geth agreed to follow Sovereign. And that was because Sovereign represented the apex of everything the Geth were trying to achieve. A perfecting being that offered to give the Geth that helped it the technology to achieve their desired concept of perfection. With a quasi religious sect developing within the Heretics worshiping Sovereign much in the same way humanity in various forms worship our idealized concepts of the perfect being(s). With the virus in ME 2 either being a plan to forcibly change the rest of the Geth or possibly simply a Heretic plan created after the fact to forcibly change all the Geth to agree with them. Thus allowing them to continue to serve their God(s) and hope to receive their just rewards. Or a long term plan by Sovergein to force the Geth to help the Reapers harvest the galaxy and then be harvested by them in short easy order. One that simply never got very far due to the events of ME 1.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 22, 2018 2:05:56 GMT
If they put Daft Punk into the clubs this game would've been lit!!!!
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2018 2:55:14 GMT
If they put Daft Punk into the clubs this game would've been lit!!!! Agreed. Someone should make a mod for that purpose. Could replace those helmets with the N7 breather helmet Shepard wears.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 5, 2018 9:53:49 GMT
Well this video points out some good points if BW want to reboot ME3 to fix. The guy maybe a nitpicker, but he says some valid points that needed to be addressed.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 26, 2018 14:00:16 GMT
If ems is low enough, the player sees one of the arms of the crucible destroyed before it attaches to the Citadel
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Post by jros83 on Jul 13, 2018 5:31:49 GMT
EA should have forked out the cash to whatever label owns Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear The Reaper" to play over the final ME3 credits.
Or, a bouncy, silly muzak style rendition of it should have played in elevators.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 13, 2018 8:43:28 GMT
There's this YouTuber name smudboy but I'm pretty sure you guys already heard of him before. I came across his videos abour how the plot of ME3 is inconsistent and rushed, and the details of gameplay has been half assed and overlooked that I didn't notice about. He made a lot of sense even if he's cynical and nitpicky, but I appreciate his honesty and being straight to the point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 10:08:20 GMT
There's this YouTuber name smudboy but I'm pretty sure you guys already heard of him before. I came across his videos abour how the plot of ME3 is inconsistent and rushed, and the details of gameplay has been half assed and overlooked that I didn't notice about. He made a lot of sense even if he's cynical and nitpicky, but I appreciate his honesty and being straight to the point. I'm always in two minds about things like that. On the one hand I like seeing all the things I missed and realising why that odd thing was bothering me, but on the other hand once I know I can never un-know...if you know what I mean. It can end up ruining the fun entirely. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. For example I've been watching 3 Youtubers play Detroit: Become Human. Watching the first one I'm thinking 'oh the story is okay', then the last one ripped it to shreds and I'm like 'how did I not see how shit this is???'.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 19, 2018 5:44:31 GMT
There's this YouTuber name smudboy but I'm pretty sure you guys already heard of him before. I came across his videos abour how the plot of ME3 is inconsistent and rushed, and the details of gameplay has been half assed and overlooked that I didn't notice about. He made a lot of sense even if he's cynical and nitpicky, but I appreciate his honesty and being straight to the point. I'm always in two minds about things like that. On the one hand I like seeing all the things I missed and realising why that odd thing was bothering me, but on the other hand once I know I can never un-know...if you know what I mean. It can end up ruining the fun entirely. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. For example I've been watching 3 Youtubers play Detroit: Become Human. Watching the first one I'm thinking 'oh the story is okay', then the last one ripped it to shreds and I'm like 'how did I not see how shit this is???'. It's always good that gamers to point out flaws in the game, and still enjoy playing them. This is a good thing that they are people out there who pointed out inconsistency of plots, tone setting, and character development. Me personally, I think BioWare need to hire people like them to fix and edit their writing if they decide to remake the Trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:45:41 GMT
I'm always in two minds about things like that. On the one hand I like seeing all the things I missed and realising why that odd thing was bothering me, but on the other hand once I know I can never un-know...if you know what I mean. It can end up ruining the fun entirely. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. For example I've been watching 3 Youtubers play Detroit: Become Human. Watching the first one I'm thinking 'oh the story is okay', then the last one ripped it to shreds and I'm like 'how did I not see how shit this is???'. It's always good that gamers to point out flaws in the game, and still enjoy playing them. This is a good thing that they are people out there who pointed out inconsistency of plots, tone setting, and character development. Me personally, I think BioWare need to hire people like them to fix and edit their writing if they decide to remake the Trilogy. Oh yeah, I'm all for constructive criticism. It's so important for developers to listen to it, and I feel like BioWare has in the past. Many of the flaws in DAO were dealt with in DA2, then the flaws in DA2 addressed in DAI, so if they were to ever remake the trilogy I'm sure they'd listen again. It's just a personal thing for me. Once I hear someone call something out I wonder how I never realised, then can't help but notice it every time I play after that. There are some games where I need to be in a state of blissful ignorance to enjoy them I think.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 19, 2018 10:06:52 GMT
They should make a variety of club music and hire real dancers for God's sake.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 19, 2018 10:29:23 GMT
It's always good that gamers to point out flaws in the game, and still enjoy playing them. This is a good thing that they are people out there who pointed out inconsistency of plots, tone setting, and character development. Me personally, I think BioWare need to hire people like them to fix and edit their writing if they decide to remake the Trilogy. Oh yeah, I'm all for constructive criticism. It's so important for developers to listen to it, and I feel like BioWare has in the past. Many of the flaws in DAO were dealt with in DA2, then the flaws in DA2 addressed in DAI, so if they were to ever remake the trilogy I'm sure they'd listen again. It's just a personal thing for me. Once I hear someone call something out I wonder how I never realised, then can't help but notice it every time I play after that. There are some games where I need to be in a state of blissful ignorance to enjoy them I think. Games are just like theatre in a way. It is smokes and mirrors to suggest a world to play in. In reality it's math and tape trying to keep it together.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 16, 2018 10:59:15 GMT
I would've liked to see more of the things that are hinted at in the first mass effect to have been more present in later games. The volus who was trying to find proof of Reapers and an ancient civilization, Humanity was supposed to be the sleeping giant, the giant mass accelerator weapon, the many ancient tombs, all the possible planets that had some sort of anomaly hinted at in there description. That's what ME2 should've been about, anyways. And it would make a lot of sense to have Shepard with Liara to discover ancient ruins, and find a way to stop the Reapers from invading the galaxy but it has failed.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 17, 2018 8:30:11 GMT
If they put Daft Punk into the clubs this game would've been lit!!!! Agreed. Someone should make a mod for that purpose. Could replace those helmets with the N7 breather helmet Shepard wears. What about a pair of Volus/Quarian DJ's with Daft Punk-esque envirosuits?
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