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Post by ladiesman777 on Feb 15, 2017 18:36:53 GMT
I voted could be better when this thread first came out. But now that Valentines day has past and they only made a pic with a book about "Pretty good Banging" they are teetering on garbage tier. They could have released a small short video of a cutscene with Ryder giving a romance line to a squadmate. They could of randomly chosen 1 squadmate and told us who he/she can be romanced by. They could of released footage of the character creator with Ryder wearing red lipstick.
Its all shoulda, woulda, coulda. Dont get me wrong Andromeda may be amazing and they are trying to show zero footage of it before release to make us crazy with wanting details and not getting spoiled. But the way they are treating us fans who will actually buy and play the game a ton over journalists and automatic winners of there space training thing is troubling.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 18:45:55 GMT
It's not six months before release, it's less than six WEEKS. And we still don't know what the game is about (aside from "EXPLORATION!" and "#SPACE!") There hasn't been a serious gameplay exhibit yet. People are STILL worried about the number of active abilities one will have access to, nor is it clear how these "profiles" will work or how they can be switched out. We have no idea how powers work, what's changed and what hasn't with the new engine. We don't know why we're in Andromeda. We don't know why we're the Pathfinder. We don't know how crafting works. We don't know how colonizing worlds works. And yet we're expected to rush out and pay full price for this? With no idea what kind of product we'd be getting? All that is part of the game, not part of the advertising. I don't follow every game but I'm pretty sure most games don't tell you every feature before the game comes out. And you aren't expected to do anything. If you don't want this game, don't buy it. I can guarantee you bioware nor ea cares. Most games with a story tell you what the story is about, at least. Again, if I buy the game, what am I getting, exactly? Can anyone tell me that right now? Without including #SPACE! or #PrettyGoodBanging?
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 15, 2017 18:49:22 GMT
Makes me wonder if one of the very many reasons why they closed the old BSN was because they were afraid of dealing with the backlash of their marketing campaign.
Anyway changed my vote to garbage. Having weird dreams of ark ships being attacked by space snakes while a N7 destroyer fights alien birds. My mind needs more material lol.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 15, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
This has got to be one of the most baffling lead ups to a massive release I've ever seen.
Baffling, I tell you.
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Post by Insaner_Robot on Feb 15, 2017 19:01:42 GMT
First post, but this resonates with me. I've felt completely disengaged by Bioware. Ever since the last DLC for inquisition released and the announcement of the old BSN closing.
That's the essentially the reason why I signed up here. I don't use reddit or twitter, so was left somewhat in the dark when the boards closed. I didn't even know ME:A had a release date until a few weeks ago.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Feb 15, 2017 20:28:07 GMT
The marketing has shown that Bioware are releasing a SF game. Anything more and they run the risk that I won't buy it. The more gameplay they show the more worried I am that it'll be another Wither 2. Potentially good RPG with gameplay that I loathe. So so far the marketing has been OK. I'm still planning on buying it, which is what marketing is for. Much better than No Man's Sky, which I haven't bought, so the marketing for that was rubbish.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 15, 2017 20:38:29 GMT
Most games with a story tell you what the story is about, at least. Again, if I buy the game, what am I getting, exactly? Can anyone tell me that right now? Without including #SPACE! or #PrettyGoodBanging? This doesn't make much sense as written. We know what the Parhfinder's job is, don't we? What else are you looking for?
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Post by degs29 on Feb 15, 2017 20:41:18 GMT
In terms of what we've seen so far in trailers, I'm happy. I think they're on the verge of going on a blitz soon, so it's too early to really judge one way or the other.
My only criticism is Mike Gamble's unclear tweets. If you're going to be ambiguous, better to keep your mouth shut so the players don't get the wrong expectations.
It's far, far better than NMS where they hyped the shit out their game and couldn't deliver. I prefer the fallout method of doling out marketing slowly and sparsely and letting the excitement and anticipation build.
PS. Poll options are useless like that.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 20:45:05 GMT
Most games with a story tell you what the story is about, at least. Again, if I buy the game, what am I getting, exactly? Can anyone tell me that right now? Without including #SPACE! or #PrettyGoodBanging? This doesn't make much sense as written. We know what the Parhfinder's job is, don't we? What else are you looking for? The question is WHY? Why are we the Pathfinder? Why are we even in Andromeda in the first place? Why is the story happening?
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Post by leadintea on Feb 15, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
The marketing may be terrible but with Nier, Horizon, and Numenera coming out in the coming weeks, I actually don't care that much about Andromeda. In fact I'm going to be passing on its release mainly to focus on those games and because it really does feel like Bioware is hiding this game out of shame which is very worrying to me.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 15, 2017 22:12:06 GMT
This doesn't make much sense as written. We know what the Parhfinder's job is, don't we? What else are you looking for? The question is WHY? Why are we the Pathfinder? Why are we even in Andromeda in the first place? Why is the story happening? Why Ryder becomes the Pathfinder is highly likely to be a plot spoiler which should not be revealed in the marketing. As for the why of the mission, that's silly. The Andromeda Initiative videos cover this. That's what the characters know. If you're looking for reasons that wouldn't be known to the characters, any such reason would also be a plot spoiler which should not be revealed in the marketing. Well, unless it turned out to be completely irrelevant to the plot of ME:A since it doesn't matter once the mission is launched. But if the latter is the case, then there's no reason to reveal that information in marketing.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 22:14:28 GMT
The question is WHY? Why are we the Pathfinder? Why are we even in Andromeda in the first place? Why is the story happening? Why Ryder becomes the Pathfider is highly likely to be a plot spoiler which should not be revealed in the marketing. As for the why of the mission, that's silly. The Andromeda Initiative videos cover this. That's what the characters know. If you're looking for reasons that wouldn't be in such videos, any such reason would palso a plot spoiler which should not be revealed in the marketing. As I've said, if the reason we are going to Andromeda is because we're a bunch of hipsters, I'm going to be very disappointed.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 15, 2017 22:19:23 GMT
Then you're going to be disappointed. Your PC won't know of any other reason for going even if one exists. You're playing a hipster whatever happens. Haven't I been telling you to leave for years?
And we're getting a bit OT here. You don't have a problem with the marketing, you have a problem with the game.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 15, 2017 22:25:11 GMT
Have to second that. You already know the story here. You're deliberately setting yourself up for disappointment by second guessing it, almost like when people made IT because they didn't buy that the ending was real.
We know why we leave for Andromeda but it doesn't mean there can't be more to it like Cerberus having an interest in funding the journey or something like Asari High Command giving the Asari Pathfinder a top-secret mission. They have an entire game to either reaffirm that it's about exploration or subvert it with twists.
I don't expect it to be twisty. All developer statements seem to imply we're taking the straightforward approach to what the story is.
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 15, 2017 22:40:09 GMT
All that is part of the game, not part of the advertising. I don't follow every game but I'm pretty sure most games don't tell you every feature before the game comes out. And you aren't expected to do anything. If you don't want this game, don't buy it. I can guarantee you bioware nor ea cares. Most games with a story tell you what the story is about, at least. Again, if I buy the game, what am I getting, exactly? Can anyone tell me that right now? Without including #SPACE! or #PrettyGoodBanging? The trailers tell you what the story is about, they don't go into spoilers because news flash spoilers isn't advertising. Name a game that told you exactly what the story was about in details before it came out, and I'll show you a game that doesn't exist.
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Post by pianishimo on Feb 15, 2017 22:45:23 GMT
I think the problem is not the quantity, but the quality. What I personally think is that the marketing team could come up with more viral ideas to tease us. Beside the AI side of the official website, why not build a viral website about a network inside the Nexus that can allow the travellers to research about the Initiative itself? Something like that . Of course some of the plot points won't be revealed and I prefer that. (also, I probably won't be able to purchase the game on the release date because everything is expensive as hell here in Brazil so I'll wait for a sale = I'm going to run from spoilers with all my life )
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 16, 2017 7:06:29 GMT
From what I have been reading in this thread it seems that people want what I consider old-school marketing back prior to social media, but the analytics have been showing that YouTube and Twitch personalities playing the game and commenting on what they are doing and their likes/dislikes works better. We might want to have that old method of marketing for us, but the majority of people don't see to use that anymore.
People don't trust developers and publishers nearly as much anymore and wait for word of mouth style of marketing because too many games have changed from early videos to final release, even if they are good people still complain about those changes BioShock: Infinite had that problem with their gameplay demonstrations from E3 or Alien: Colonial Marines and how the vertical slice was drastically different from the release version.
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 16, 2017 8:14:10 GMT
Whoa, is there a marketing going on? You mean these soontm and "I can't tell about it right now(c)"? Yeah, sure, top-tier stuff.
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Post by impingu1984 on Feb 16, 2017 15:05:47 GMT
Wow is this what modern gaming has come to... Rating a games marketing...
There is no don't care option, so I can't vote...
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 16, 2017 15:41:27 GMT
I'm beginning to think that it's possible at this point that the game could be a commercial and critical failure. If that 15 minute gameplay trailer that they're dropping soon doesn't impress people, then I think people should prepare to put this franchise to bed. I would say the best thing they've shown so far is that Game Awards trailer, but everything else has been unremarkable.
If they're waiting til the last minute to market this game, then what they show NEEDS to be good. We're one month away now. That "stay tuned for more, sometime soon" shit has gotta stop. Your game is almost out. Unless they're actively trying to sabotage themselves, they have to get their shit together, right fucking now.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 16, 2017 15:51:48 GMT
Most games with a story tell you what the story is about, at least. Again, if I buy the game, what am I getting, exactly? Can anyone tell me that right now? Without including #SPACE! or #PrettyGoodBanging? The trailers tell you what the story is about, they don't go into spoilers because news flash spoilers isn't advertising. Name a game that told you exactly what the story was about in details before it came out, and I'll show you a game that doesn't exist. I'm not talking about details, I mean general outline Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) All we've really been told is "#Space!" and "#PrettyGoodBanging" with a healthy side of "#Soon"
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 16, 2017 16:12:59 GMT
The trailers tell you what the story is about, they don't go into spoilers because news flash spoilers isn't advertising. Name a game that told you exactly what the story was about in details before it came out, and I'll show you a game that doesn't exist. I'm not talking about details, I mean general outline Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) All we've really been told is "#Space!" and "#PrettyGoodBanging" with a healthy side of "#Soon" How we become the Pathfinder and what happens to our ark are clearly both spoilers, why would that be part of the marketing campaign? As for why Andromeda? Why not? Does it need a reason other than that's the story bioware wants to tell?
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Post by Iakus on Feb 16, 2017 16:33:20 GMT
I'm not talking about details, I mean general outline Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) All we've really been told is "#Space!" and "#PrettyGoodBanging" with a healthy side of "#Soon" How we become the Pathfinder and what happens to our ark are clearly both spoilers, why would that be part of the marketing campaign? As for why Andromeda? Why not? Does it need a reason other than that's the story bioware wants to tell? Then why even tell us we're the Pathfinder? And yes, it needs another reason because "why not?" is a stupid one.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 16, 2017 16:39:45 GMT
The trailers tell you what the story is about, they don't go into spoilers because news flash spoilers isn't advertising. Name a game that told you exactly what the story was about in details before it came out, and I'll show you a game that doesn't exist. I'm not talking about details, I mean general outline Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) All we've really been told is "#Space!" and "#PrettyGoodBanging" with a healthy side of "#Soon" To those questions I would have to say my reaction is: - Why are we going to Andromeda? - don't care.
- Why are we the Pathfinder? - for reasons I'm not yet concerned about.
- What happened to the Hyperion? - don't care / not concerned
That's not to disrespect them, they are important to you, others will have differing criteria as their purchasing triggers. But people will be motivated to purchase (marketing) by a range of different things, and we are not a representative group of the purchasing population, so the marketing is largely not directed at us.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 16, 2017 17:00:45 GMT
I'm not talking about details, I mean general outline Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) All we've really been told is "#Space!" and "#PrettyGoodBanging" with a healthy side of "#Soon" To those questions I would have to say my reaction is: - Why are we going to Andromeda? - don't care.
- Why are we the Pathfinder? - for reasons I'm not yet concerned about.
- What happened to the Hyperion? - don't care / not concerned
That's not to disrespect them, they are important to you, others will have differing criteria as their purchasing triggers. But people will be motivated to purchase (marketing) by a range of different things, and we are not a representative group of the purchasing population, so the marketing is largely not directed at us.
Then I have to ask: What are your purchasing triggers? Because it's clearly not the narrative. Game mechanics? Because we have little idea how those work thus far. The genre? Then why do you purchase one shooter and not another? Brand loyalty? Fair enough, but if Bioware depends on that too much they're going to have a hard time expanding their base.
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