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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 16, 2017 17:08:59 GMT
To those questions I would have to say my reaction is: - Why are we going to Andromeda? - don't care.
- Why are we the Pathfinder? - for reasons I'm not yet concerned about.
- What happened to the Hyperion? - don't care / not concerned
That's not to disrespect them, they are important to you, others will have differing criteria as their purchasing triggers. But people will be motivated to purchase (marketing) by a range of different things, and we are not a representative group of the purchasing population, so the marketing is largely not directed at us.
Then I have to ask: What are your purchasing triggers? Because it's clearly not the narrative. Game mechanics? Because we have little idea how those work thus far. The genre? Then why do you purchase one shooter and not another? Brand loyalty? Fair enough, but if Bioware depends on that too much they're going to have a hard time expanding their base. Fair questions: - Narrative: Yes, but this is built on past credibility, I don't need to know the details in advance. BioWare have told some great stories.
- Game mechanics? Yes, but again what little I've seen says it is sufficiently like ME3 to make me happy.
- The genre? I have little interest in 'shooters' per se, 3rd Person makes it, so ME, RedDead, WatchDogs, FPS or PvP: no.
- Brand loyalty? Probably, but as much because I never played a BioWare game I didn't like to some extent, so it's an easy sale for me. They had me at 'hello'...
Short answer, all of the above need a bit more marketing now, because those who were going to buy it anyway will, what remains is the majority of the unaware and the unconvinced.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 16, 2017 17:37:56 GMT
Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) Well, like I said upthread, we already know the answer to the first question, if the "we" there means the PC and the vast majority of NPCs. The marketing has answered this one. (Nothing we've seen yet is incompatible with some other hidden rationale for the project, but most characters wouldn't know about that even if there is one.) You don't like the answer, but it is what it is. I'd class 2 and 3 as plot details that are better left unrevealed. Why do you consider questions 2 and 3 to be vital pre-release information rather than spoilers? Put another way, what answers to those questions are you scared of getting?
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Post by Iakus on Feb 16, 2017 18:15:16 GMT
Why are we going to Andromeda? Why are we the Pathfinder? (especially since Alec was the original Pathfinder and Cora his second in command) What happened to the Hyperion? (not even going to go into the Nexus or other arks, since that could legitimately be spoilers) Well, like I said upthread, we already know the answer to the first question, if the "we" there means the PC and the vast majority of NPCs. The marketing has answered this one. (Nothing we've seen yet is incompatible with some other hidden rationale for the project, but most characters wouldn't know about that even if there is one.) You don't like the answer, but it is what it is. I'd class 2 and 3 as plot details that are better left unrevealed. Why do you consider questions 2 and 3 to be vital pre-release information rather than spoilers? Put another way, what answers to those questions are you scared of getting? Well you are right. If the answer to the first question really is "#SPACE" I will be sorely disappointed because that is about as uncreative an answer as you can get. For the second question, it goes towards what kind of story is being told. Are we a "chosen one"? Just some dumb kid in the wrong place at the wrong time? I can appreciate that DAI at least played with this concept, never directly answering if the player became the Herald of Andraste by chance or design or a mix of the two. But I know there are people who are sick of being "The Shepard" The third question also goes o the story being told, but in a broader sense. What is the motivation for...Pathfinding? Are demons pouring out of breaches in the sky? Are we being chased by the Sith? Has our master been kidnapped? What the hell are we doing here?
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 16, 2017 19:01:55 GMT
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 16, 2017 19:05:55 GMT
How we become the Pathfinder and what happens to our ark are clearly both spoilers, why would that be part of the marketing campaign? As for why Andromeda? Why not? Does it need a reason other than that's the story bioware wants to tell? Then why even tell us we're the Pathfinder? And yes, it needs another reason because "why not?" is a stupid one. It's a game taking place in the Andromeda galaxy it needs no other reason to take place in the Andromeda galaxy other than that's where it takes place. A game based on World War 2 takes place during the time in which World War 2 takes place because that's the time it takes place, it needs no other reason.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 16, 2017 19:12:08 GMT
A-flipping-byssmal. I've seen better, and more consistent and timely marketing, from local girl scouts. I won't repeat the points listed by others, but easily terrible.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 16, 2017 19:15:08 GMT
Then why even tell us we're the Pathfinder? And yes, it needs another reason because "why not?" is a stupid one. It's a game taking place in the Andromeda galaxy it needs no other reason to take place in the Andromeda galaxy other than that's where it takes place. A game based on World War 2 takes place during the time in which World War 2 takes place because that's the time it takes place, it needs no other reason. Yes it does. It is not the native environment of humans or any other Milky Way species. Therefore, how and why we traveled there is of importance. You are conflating place and time. A story set in World War 2 would, presumably be based on the time period of the War, if not the war itself. But if it was set during World War 2, but on Mars, then yeah, there'd have to be an explanation. Humans were not on Mars at the time (unless the Barsoom series was nonfiction, anyway)
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Post by lextrags on Feb 16, 2017 19:37:34 GMT
Why did the Europeans try to find India? Why did man go to the moon? Because everyone loves power and conquest! To get that sense of adventure and exhilaration going to a new, unexplored area that none of their peers have ever witnessed. To say, "That's right I did land on the fucking moon!". Or in the sense of other historical ties, America was created because some were just unpleased with how Europe was ran and said, "We could do better!". So they abandoned all their ties and embarked on a long voyage to a new land. You may ask well how does this compare to MEA? Well imagine the Milky Way galaxy as a continent that has been fully explored and conquered. There is not much to do and there is a stable government that most follow. Doesn't the thought of breaking away from martial law and common customs in general sound like a journey? Andromeda is the New World equivalent. Andromeda=America
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 16, 2017 22:43:06 GMT
Why did the Europeans try to find India? Why did man go to the moon? Because everyone loves power and conquest! To get that sense of adventure and exhilaration going to a new, unexplored area that none of their peers have ever witnessed. To say, "That's right I did land on the fucking moon!". Or in the sense of other historical ties, America was created because some were just unpleased with how Europe was ran and said, "We could do better!". So they abandoned all their ties and embarked on a long voyage to a new land. You may ask well how does this compare to MEA? Well imagine the Milky Way galaxy as a continent that has been fully explored and conquered. There is not much to do and there is a stable government that most follow. Doesn't the thought of breaking away from martial law and common customs in general sound like a journey? Andromeda is the New World equivalent. Andromeda=America Another more recent example is the Mars 1 contest where people were willing to take a one-way trip to Mars and have their life there become a reality TV show. I believe over 200,000 people applied to that before they screened out people, so I can see Andromeda getting enough interested people just to go to Andromeda after the discovery of space flight.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 17, 2017 0:22:02 GMT
I'm shocked due to how little there is of marketing.
I'm assuming there will be a major marketing blitz in final month though.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2017 0:26:12 GMT
Well you are right. If the answer to the first question really is "#SPACE" I will be sorely disappointed because that is about as uncreative an answer as you can get. I don't know why you're putting an "if" there. The AI videos exist. At this stage, what are you hoping for? And creativity isn't the real constraint. The constraint is executing the plot without massive retcons to the trilogy. If you think there's some approach to this which could have satisfied you, now's the time. *shrug* Wasn't Shepard just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Shepard looks up a few seconds later and Ashley or Kaidan gets the beacon imprint instead. Telling you prerelease how Shepard got into that position wouldn't have told you anything useful about the plot. Anyway, looks like the Ryder kids are getting into their position via their AI implants, plus nepotism. Huh? That's also been answered in the marketing. The job is to find a home for the human colonists in Andromeda.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 17, 2017 0:55:32 GMT
Well you are right. If the answer to the first question really is "#SPACE" I will be sorely disappointed because that is about as uncreative an answer as you can get. I don't know why you're putting an "if" there. The AI videos exist. At this stage, what are you hoping for? And creativity isn't the real constraint. The constraint is executing the plot without massive retcons to the trilogy. If you think there's some approach to this which could have satisfied you, now's the time. Well the time is probably long passed at this point. What am I hoping for? I dunno. Something grand. Something that would inspire people to leave behind everything and everyone they've known and loved, take a six hundred year journey in an unprecedented voyage using virtually untested tech. I guess what I hope for was the same thing I hoped for in ME3: A destination worth taking the journey. Originally, yeah. But in ME2 TIM laid it on thick about how Shepard was "unique", not based on what SHepard did but in what he/she represented. Then of course by ME3 we got "This is what you were born for" and "The Shepard" So which will it be this time? And doesn't the entire Pathfinder team have implants? Again, why? Why not live on the Nexus? What's the rush? Heck what are the provisions if there aren't any inhabitable worlds? [/quote]
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 17, 2017 1:02:29 GMT
I don't know why you're putting an "if" there. The AI videos exist. At this stage, what are you hoping for? And creativity isn't the real constraint. The constraint is executing the plot without massive retcons to the trilogy. If you think there's some approach to this which could have satisfied you, now's the time. Well the time is probably long passed at this point. What am I hoping for? I dunno. Something grand. Something that would inspire people to leave behind everything and everyone they've known and loved, take a six hundred year journey in an unprecedented voyage using virtually untested tech. I guess what I hope for was the same thing I hoped for in ME3: A destination worth taking the journey. Originally, yeah. But in ME2 TIM laid it on thick about how Shepard was "unique", not based on what SHepard did but in what he/she represented. Then of course by ME3 we got "This is what you were born for" and "The Shepard" So which will it be this time? And doesn't the entire Pathfinder team have implants? Again, why? Why not live on the Nexus? What's the rush? Heck what are the provisions if there aren't any inhabitable worlds? [/quote] The entire team has implants allowing them to communicate with SAM when on the ground, but only the pathfinder has the one that allows skills to be changed on the fly and all the other unique stuff. Or at least that's how I interpreted the pathfinder briefing video.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 17, 2017 1:50:00 GMT
Again, why? Why not live on the Nexus? What's the rush? Heck what are the provisions if there aren't any inhabitable worlds? Because the Nexus has limited room and resources and sooner or later the old grudges between the krogan, turians, and humans would boil over into a war over resources and control of the Nexus. Those that signed up for the AI knew (or they should have knew) that was risk that the worlds might not habitable. As too why anyone would sign up and join the AI, I can think of several reasons: it could be personal reasons, military orders, a sense of exploration, a desire for money, seeking adventure, religious reasons, a chance for a new life, a chance to be leaders (either political, corporate, religious, or any combination), maybe they're political radicals, maybe they're outlaws in the Milky Way Galaxy, maybe they're just bat-shit insane, or any other reasons. If the AI was real I would try to join just so I could get off this dying rock and to get as far from then majority of the human race as I could get.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2017 3:01:09 GMT
What am I hoping for? I dunno. Something grand. Something that would inspire people to leave behind everything and everyone they've known and loved, take a six hundred year journey in an unprecedented voyage using virtually untested tech. I guess what I hope for was the same thing I hoped for in ME3: A destination worth taking the journey. I don't have any idea what that "something good" would look like. Frankly, I doubt that it could exist. And, again, the marketing has done its job here. We know why people are joining the AI. It's the game that you don't like. Hell, it's the concept of the game that you don't like Isn't that a question better asked of ME:A 2? In any event, discovering how Ryder gets to be the Pathfinder would never answer this question. Gotcha. Again, you were asking the wrong question earlier. The Pathfinder mission was explained in the marketing; the immediate urgency of the mission which was revealed in Cinematic Trailer #2 was not. But the latter is a plot point; that trailer is about how things are not going as planned. The specifics of exactly what isn't going as planned shouldn't be revealed. And the premise of the entire mission is that inhabitable worlds will be found, yep. If not, everyone's dead. Nobody said this wasn't risky.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 3:31:23 GMT
God, I just want to know a few things about a Bioware game before I buy: - Whether LGBT characters are up and center as important characters and which important characters they are
- The combat styles and how they work
- The kind of roleplay options I have in said game (dialogue, backgrounds, etc) in relation to what kinds of characters I can play
They said they won't tell us the first one before it releases, and the latter two they keep saying they'll speak more on but haven't given us much. Look, I'm not asking for much. I don't need to know the plot or a ton about the characters' personalities or any ~secret reveals about them. I just want to know the three things I listed, since they are important to me personally before I get into a Bioware game. Why? Because I don't want to go in with high expectations, only to have them excruciatingly dashed.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2017 4:28:05 GMT
Well, isn't the combat video dropping tomorrow?
As for backgrounds, isn't that settled? The PCs' backgrounds are defined, so zero choice.
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Post by thedarkprince on Feb 17, 2017 5:01:26 GMT
Not good. The only major title that I can think of that has shown less this close to launch is No Man's Sky......and that doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence since that game was trash, and they were clearly trying to hide it from fans.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 5:14:08 GMT
Well, isn't the combat video dropping tomorrow? As for backgrounds, isn't that settled? The PCs' backgrounds are defined, so zero choice. They said we can choose our "training" but didn't say our choices. Also, I mean the factors together, that allow me to roleplay. They haven't really talked about the variety of character types in relation to our backgrounds and dialogue tone options. Like can we go super Renegade? Can we roleplay someone quieter? Can we roleplayer someone who's kind of obnoxious? They haven't even really talked about the difference in personality between the Ryder twins, which worries me as well.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2017 5:43:27 GMT
What I meant was that where Scott and Sara served before the Andromeda mission is documented. It's not like Shepard's three backgrounds and three careers. Just one of each, so your RP will have to work with that.
And training probably isn't going to be too relevant. They're both Alliance-trained, and have no defined class.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 7:03:11 GMT
What I meant was that where Scott and Sara served before the Andromeda mission is documented. It's not like Shepard's three backgrounds and three careers. Just one of each, so your RP will have to work with that. And training probably isn't going to be too relevant. They're both Alliance-trained, and have no defined class. Maybe it's a factor to me for rp-purposes. Considering how quiet they're being marketing-wise, we don't know how relevant that will be. Again, there's not really any points mentioned so far that make me much less worried. I'll give them some time on the combat aspect, but the other two have me worried still.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 17, 2017 8:20:15 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if this thread is less about the marketing and more of a reflection of the skeptical or optimistic views of the posters, but mileage varies I guess.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 17, 2017 15:03:07 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if this thread is less about the marketing and more of a reflection of the skeptical or optimistic views of the posters, but mileage varies I guess. Probably, but also how people view what we have gotten as well. Right now the way I look at it is they have released nine different videos for I include the four Andromeda Initiative videos generally with different focuses starting with the 4K demonstration video from the Sony event. I really think the disconnect is that people want different things demonstrated to them while others want something completely different. Marketing has changed too and what influences purchasing decisions isn't the same as even a couple of years ago with Twitch and YouTube influencers getting more of the focus then trailers and articles, while probably being cheaper to produce as well. If you look at For Honor it seems the majority of their marketing was to get a large number of Twitch people to play the game for a week prior to launch.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2017 16:44:32 GMT
Maybe it's a factor to me for rp-purposes. Considering how quiet they're being marketing-wise, we don't know how relevant that will be. Again, there's not really any points mentioned so far that make me much less worried. I'll give them some time on the combat aspect, but the other two have me worried still. So for RP purposes you want your Ryders to have a pseudo-class that doesn't have any gameplay influence? Representing training before Ryder goes classless? Bio isn't going to establish details for sonething that will be immediately abolished in-game. This will mean RP freedom, but this also means that dialogue won't reflect this anywhere, because there won't be any variable tracking the Ryders' previous MOSs. It would be interesting to know their vocational codes. Were they assigned as Ns, or something else? Or is that already in the vids?
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 17, 2017 18:44:43 GMT
Maybe it's a factor to me for rp-purposes. Considering how quiet they're being marketing-wise, we don't know how relevant that will be. Again, there's not really any points mentioned so far that make me much less worried. I'll give them some time on the combat aspect, but the other two have me worried still. So for RP purposes you want your Ryders to have a pseudo-class that doesn't have any gameplay influence? Representing training before Ryder goes classless? Bio isn't going to establish details for sonething that will be immediately abolished in-game. This will mean RP freedom, but this also means that dialogue won't reflect this anywhere, because there won't be any variable tracking the Ryders' previous MOSs. It would be interesting to know their vocational codes. Were they assigned as Ns, or something else? Or is that already in the vids? I think they mention the Ryder siblings in an Andromeda Initiative video. They are pretty fresh Alliance recruits with recent posts, but the follow up information mentions they had "extra training" from their father. Edit: It doesn't mention their standing in the Alliance aside from the assignments they were on (can't remember which), but each sibling did have a different assignment, but I would figure they would be very low ranking.
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