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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 4, 2017 3:36:13 GMT
Alright, let's settle down. People can feel how they choose to feel. And people can have dissenting opinions and disagree with each other. You don't have to like it or even be nice about it but it stops just short of personal jabs, yes?
Good.
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Post by London on Apr 4, 2017 5:43:30 GMT
Personally I just wish they were all player-sexual and we picked who we wanted. And that all the romance content was of equal quality and with small changes like DA2.
Being gay doesn't mean I would care if str8 women romanced the same character as I did.
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Post by jk987 on Apr 4, 2017 6:46:16 GMT
Woooow, so the situation was even worse than we thought. I don't get it, what was this team thinking?
So Vetra was supposed to be straight, Suvi was most likely bi (though I wouldn't put it past this team to have her also be straight). Ignoring the off ship ladies (because they have very little content I think - plus no lesbians) that leaves us with Peebee whose romance scene involves riding Scott's dick and wasn't changed at all for Sara.
And we aren't allowed to be disappointed by the regression? By obviously getting the inferior content - where less time and resources were spent? At what point are we allowed to complain? Maybe when our next 'lesbian' scene involves our next asari kneeling for the MC before you see the top of her head starting to bob back and forth? Or not even then? I bet this team would be like 'there you go, lesbians. YOU'RE WELCOME. #hotlesbianaction'
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 9:47:56 GMT
Woooow, so the situation was even worse than we thought. I don't get it, what was this team thinking? So Vetra was supposed to be straight, Suvi was most likely bi (though I wouldn't put it past this team to have her also be straight). Ignoring the off ship ladies (because they have very little content I think - plus no lesbians) that leaves us with Peebee whose romance scene involves riding Scott's dick and wasn't changed at all for Sara. And we aren't allowed to be disappointed by the regression? By obviously getting the inferior content - where less time and resources were spent? At what point are we allowed to complain? Maybe when our next 'lesbian' scene involves our next asari kneeling for the MC before you see the top of her head starting to bob back and forth? Or not even then? I bet this team would be like 'there you go, lesbians. YOU'RE WELCOME. #hotlesbianaction' It's really fuckin' depressing yup when you stop to think about it, even worse for M/M players. The regression is real.
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Post by Bendayd on Apr 4, 2017 10:00:58 GMT
What happened here ??? Seems like a screenshot can do a lot of damage for nothing. I agree that the team responsible for the Prima Guide fucked up, but a couple screenshots doesn't represent hard evidence that Suvi was intended to be bisexual. Screens could have been provided by Bioware (which would be stupid I agree), and they could have used Scott's model for testing. Bioware could have sent a copy where all romances where available to both siblings for convenience. Nothing in the code or the audio files can make us think that she was bi (look at the Jaal's case, HE was changed from bi to straight, with hard evidence). (If any other proof that she was bi has been given, then I obviously withdraw everything I'm saying right now. I'm not pretending to know everything, I'd just prefer that we "attack" Bioware on actual problems, not illusional ones). I mean, at least she was animated correctly for Sara (I'm looking at you, Peebee). I honestly feel worse for m/m romances shippers that only have 2 romances. I'm never writing in this forum, but this nice thread is slowly going the wrong way for absolutely nothing, and it's really sad. That said, I hope we can go back to how nice Suvi is.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 10:15:30 GMT
What happened here ??? Seems like a screenshot can do a lot of damage for nothing. I agree that the team responsible for the Prima Guide fucked up, but a couple screenshots doesn't represent hard evidence that Suvi was intended to be bisexual. Screens could have been provided by Bioware (which would be stupid I agree), and they could have used Scott's model for testing. Bioware could have sent a copy where all romances where available to both siblings for convenience. Nothing in the code or the audio files can make us think that she was bi (look at the Jaal's case, HE was changed from bi to straight, with hard evidence). (If any other proof that she was bi has been given, then I obviously withdraw everything I'm saying right now. I'm not pretending to know everything, I'd just prefer that we "attack" Bioware on actual problems, not illusional ones). I mean, at least she was animated correctly for Sara (I'm looking at you, Peebee). I honestly feel worse for m/m romances shippers that only have 2 romances. I'm never writing in this forum, but this nice thread is slowly going the wrong way for absolutely nothing, and it's really sad. That said, I hope we can go back to how nice Suvi is. Here's the screen, with the kiss action prompt in the corner for Scott. Our quick patch "lesbian" rep.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 4, 2017 10:21:14 GMT
As I said in the romance thread, this disgusts me to divine levels, dudebros almost get all the chicks and lesbians are not even a thing in the fucking brainstorming, ME team you bunch of wanker pricks
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Post by Bendayd on Apr 4, 2017 10:24:03 GMT
Here's the screen, with the kiss action prompt in the corner for Scott. Our quick patch "lesbian" rep. Yeah, I know, I have the Guide. What I meant by "What happened here ???" is "Why all the hate for something we aren't even sure at 100% ???" I still want to believe that it's just a mistake. The development of a video game involves so much people that these screenshots don't represent a hard evidence that she was meant to be bi from the start and "patched" just before release. Source code does, official bioware representative does. Prima has already proven not to be very reliable.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 4, 2017 10:30:44 GMT
Here's the screen, with the kiss action prompt in the corner for Scott. Our quick patch "lesbian" rep. Yeah, I know, I have the Guide. What I meant by "What happened here ???" is "Why all the hate for something we aren't even sure at 100% ???" I still want to believe that it's just a mistake. The development of a video game involves so much people that these screenshots don't represent a hard evidence that she was meant to be bi from the start and "patched" just before release. Source code does, official bioware representative does. Prima has already proven not to be very reliable. Those shots with Scott aren't some typos like Kaidan mistake in ME3 guide, and the fact that there's no "no hetero" scene with him, the evidences talk by themselves.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 10:41:19 GMT
Here's the screen, with the kiss action prompt in the corner for Scott. Our quick patch "lesbian" rep. Yeah, I know, I have the Guide. What I meant by "What happened here ???" is "Why all the hate for something we aren't even sure at 100% ???" I still want to believe that it's just a mistake. The development of a video game involves so much people that these screenshots don't represent a hard evidence that she was meant to be bi from the start and "patched" just before release. Source code does, official bioware representative does. Prima has already proven not to be very reliable. If it makes you happy to believe it was just a silly mistake then, I don't know what to tell ya. I expected better from Bioware in 2017, clearly I'm naive.
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Post by disgustednoise on Apr 4, 2017 11:53:06 GMT
Here's the screen, with the kiss action prompt in the corner for Scott. Our quick patch "lesbian" rep. Yeah, I know, I have the Guide. What I meant by "What happened here ???" is "Why all the hate for something we aren't even sure at 100% ???" I still want to believe that it's just a mistake. The development of a video game involves so much people that these screenshots don't represent a hard evidence that she was meant to be bi from the start and "patched" just before release. Source code does, official bioware representative does. Prima has already proven not to be very reliable. I still love Suvi as a character, but I don't blame anyone who has their hackles up over those screen shots. Those combined with the fact that Suvi never mentions or even alludes to her orientation, Peebee's animations with Sara, and how the devs handled the m/m content really paints a picture of this team really not giving a shit about anyone who's not straight beyond handing the absolute bare essentials to not destroy the reputation that Bioware has built up with certain demographics with in their fan base.
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Post by jk987 on Apr 4, 2017 12:35:05 GMT
BendaydEven if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 12:45:52 GMT
Bendayd Even if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation. I'll never complain about the DA team again after this whole experience, rofl, what a hot mess this whole affair is.
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Post by jk987 on Apr 4, 2017 13:00:47 GMT
Bendayd Even if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation. I'll never complain about the DA team again after this whole experience, rofl, what a hot mess this whole affair is. Same, girl. I can't even imagine DA team doing sth like this tbh. I was salty about Cass in Inquisition and Sera wasn't my cup of tea as a romance option (same with Josephine tbh), but they had care put into them that you don't see here.The discrepancy is jarring. If the Montreal team was making DAI, I bet Sera would have been available to dudes. Vivienne too. I liked Vetra a lot during my playthrough, but I don't wanna touch the game again. No interest in DLC either. They fucked up bad.
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Post by Bendayd on Apr 4, 2017 13:06:00 GMT
Bendayd Even if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation. What I'm trying to point out, is that we don't know anything about what happened, except that somehow Prima or Bioware screwed up on their communication. But we absolutely can't conclude from those screenshots that lesbians, at one point, weren't intended to have at least ONE exclusive romance. Just look at those screenshots, Suvi doesn't even look at Scott in the eyes, because she was animated for Sara, and Sara is smaller than Scott. Some people here WANT to be angry so bad that they can't even THINK that MAYBE there is an explanation... Hey, maybe there is no explanation and Bioware really at one point didn't think to give girls an exclusive gay romance, maybe I'm totally wrong, but from what I know of game development, you just can't conclude that from 3 screenshots coming from a probably bugged as hell build of the game. If we have a real proof that Suvi was bi at one point (like code or audio like Jaal), I'll be the first to spit on Bioware, because yeah, that would be really bad, but that's why I don't believe it.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 13:07:20 GMT
I'll never complain about the DA team again after this whole experience, rofl, what a hot mess this whole affair is. Same, girl. I can't even imagine DA team doing sth like this tbh. I was salty about Cass in Inquisition and Sera wasn't my cup of tea as a romance option (same with Josephine tbh), but they had care put into them that you don't see here.The discrepancy is jarring. If the Montreal team was making DAI, I bet Sera would have been available to dudes. Vivienne too. I liked Vetra a lot during my playthrough, but I don't wanna touch the game again. No interest in DLC either. They fucked up bad. I'm actually struggling to finish this first playthrough, ignoring the rofl LI handling, the main story itself is really meh imo. This game isn't bad but it's great either, disappointing. Combat is fun though, that's one thing I can't fault. At least we got gay/lez squadmate rep with the DA team, something the ME team are incapable to give for whatever lame reason.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 13:10:25 GMT
Bendayd Even if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation. What I'm trying to point out, is that we don't know anything about what happened, except that somehow Prima or Bioware screwed up on their communication. But we absolutely can't conclude from those screenshots that lesbians, at one point, weren't intended to have at least ONE exclusive romance. Just look at those screenshots, Suvi doesn't even look at Scott in the eyes, because she was animated for Sara, and Sara is smaller than Scott. Some people here WANT to be angry so bad that they can't even THINK that MAYBE there is an explanation...Hey, maybe there is no explanation and Bioware really at one point didn't think to give girls an exclusive gay romance, maybe I'm totally wrong, but from what I know of game development, you just can't conclude that from 3 screenshots coming from a probably bugged as hell build of the game. If we have a real proof that Suvi was bi at one point (like code or audio like Jaal), I'll be the first to spit on Bioware, because yeah, that would be really bad, but that's why I don't believe it. Explain the reason for that kiss action prompt that shows Scott then?
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Post by Serza on Apr 4, 2017 13:15:24 GMT
Really? Is Suvi's thread going to be the newest place to argue about bullshit?
Fuck the lot of you.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 13:17:36 GMT
Really? Is Suvi's thread going to be the newest place to argue about bullshit? Fuck the lot of you. Bullshit is it, lol. Bye Felicia.
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Post by jk987 on Apr 4, 2017 13:19:15 GMT
Bendayd Even if you look at this situation in a vacuum, it still shows a gross lack of care. Can you imagine them using Sara's model for Cora's scene and then sending those pics to the guide peeps? Yeah, me neither. But we can't look at it separately and out of context. The game is out. If you can't believe Bioware would treat gay players like second class gamers, I'll just point you to the gay dudes and their representation. What I'm trying to point out, is that we don't know anything about what happened, except that somehow Prima or Bioware screwed up on their communication. But we absolutely can't conclude from those screenshots that lesbians, at one point, weren't intended to have at least ONE exclusive romance. Just look at those screenshots, Suvi doesn't even look at Scott in the eyes, because she was animated for Sara, and Sara is smaller than Scott. Some people here WANT to be angry so bad that they can't even THINK that MAYBE there is an explanation... Hey, maybe there is no explanation and Bioware really at one point didn't think to give girls an exclusive gay romance, maybe I'm totally wrong, but from what I know of game development, you just can't conclude that from 3 screenshots coming from a probably bugged as hell build of the game. If we have a real proof that Suvi was bi at one point (like code or audio like Jaal), I'll be the first to spit on Bioware, because yeah, that would be really bad, but that's why I don't believe it. I wish you were right, I really do. I just don't believe it for a second. I don't know what more you want as proof. They're not gonna come out and say 'we don't care about the gays but we sure like the positive press we get from having gay stuff in the game'. And I don't need that as confirmation - I can see their priorities clearly by playing the game. If you want this team the benefit of a doubt - after all we've seen with this game - go right ahead, mate. We'll agree to disagree. All I can say is that I don't know anyone in this thread who wanted to be angry. I joined maybe a month before release and people just wanted equal treatment and decent chaarcters to get excited about and geek over. We're allowed to grumble. Accepting scraps would be way sadder.
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Post by Bendayd on Apr 4, 2017 13:22:08 GMT
What I'm trying to point out, is that we don't know anything about what happened, except that somehow Prima or Bioware screwed up on their communication. But we absolutely can't conclude from those screenshots that lesbians, at one point, weren't intended to have at least ONE exclusive romance.
Just look at those screenshots, Suvi doesn't even look at Scott in the eyes, because she was animated for Sara, and Sara is smaller than Scott. Some people here WANT to be angry so bad that they can't even THINK that MAYBE there is an explanation...
Hey, maybe there is no explanation and Bioware really at one point didn't think to give girls an exclusive gay romance, maybe I'm totally wrong, but from what I know of game development, you just can't conclude that from 3 screenshots coming from a probably bugged as hell build of the game.
If we have a real proof that Suvi was bi at one point (like code or audio like Jaal), I'll be the first to spit on Bioware, because yeah, that would be really bad, but that's why I don't believe it. Explain the reason for that kiss action prompt that shows Scott then? Because it IS the romance scene, so there's obviously the prompt, but I'm 99% sure that if we had to see the rest of the scene, Scott wouldn't have audio lines and animations wouldn't be correctly aligned for Scott's size. It's just that somehow, Scott's model was displayed instead of Sara, could be a bug, could be a test of the scene where dev was too lazy to switch model, it could be sooo many things, that you can't really use that as a proof that Suvi was bi.
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Post by Crim on Apr 4, 2017 13:24:43 GMT
What I'm trying to point out, is that we don't know anything about what happened, except that somehow Prima or Bioware screwed up on their communication. But we absolutely can't conclude from those screenshots that lesbians, at one point, weren't intended to have at least ONE exclusive romance. Just look at those screenshots, Suvi doesn't even look at Scott in the eyes, because she was animated for Sara, and Sara is smaller than Scott. Some people here WANT to be angry so bad that they can't even THINK that MAYBE there is an explanation... Hey, maybe there is no explanation and Bioware really at one point didn't think to give girls an exclusive gay romance, maybe I'm totally wrong, but from what I know of game development, you just can't conclude that from 3 screenshots coming from a probably bugged as hell build of the game. If we have a real proof that Suvi was bi at one point (like code or audio like Jaal), I'll be the first to spit on Bioware, because yeah, that would be really bad, but that's why I don't believe it. I wish you were right, I really do. I just don't believe it for a second. I don't know what more you want as proof. They're not gonna come out and say 'we don't care about the gays but we sure like the positive press we get from having gay stuff in the game'. And I don't need that as confirmation - I can see their priorities clearly by playing the game. If you want this team the benefit of a doubt - after all we've seen with this game - go right ahead, mate. We'll agree to disagree. All I can say is that I don't know anyone in this thread who wanted to be angry. I joined maybe a month before release and people just wanted equal treatment and decent chaarcters to get excited about and geek over. We're allowed to grumble. Accepting scraps would be way sadder.Yup but considering all that has happened we've every right to vent our frustration/disappointment. Really didn't expect this, thought the ME:A team would have improved upon the groundwork they laid in ME3 instead, they've regressed.
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Post by jk987 on Apr 4, 2017 13:24:52 GMT
I'm actually struggling to finish this first playthrough, ignoring the rofl LI handling, the main story itself is really meh imo. This game isn't bad but it's great either, disappointing. Combat is fun though, that's one thing I can't fault. At least we got gay/lez squadmate rep with the DA team, something the ME team are incapable to give for whatever lame reason. Yeah I powered through my first playthrough but there's a lot of meh in this game. Kinda says a lot that straight dude banging and gunplay received a lot of attention while they couldn't be bothered to model 3 asari faces (while also animating Pebee's butt riding Scott's dick). Maybe this time we'll get the lesbian and the bisexual lady in the squad y/y? Come on, DA team, I wanna get excited about a game again XD
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