Suvi Anwar (Official Thread)

I think it's hilarious that you're telling lesbians what counts as "legit" lesbian representation.

Don't even start with the having scraps nonsense. Lesbian players have the second most LIs in the game, just one short of straight males. If that is "scraps", then you'll never be satisfied since I fear what you consider enough. 

Quite fast to personal attacks at anyone who disagrees you are.
Also, if a character having to be the sexual orientation you are from the beginning is all that counts according to your words, then I got nothing. 

A female character who is only interested in women.

I think it's sad you telling actual lesbians how they should feel in regards to rep. You aren't one.

I think what's upsetting, besides making a lesbian character an afterthought, is the fact that the writers treated Suvi's sexuality as separate from herself. To me, sexuality is an element of who you are, but not a separable piece. It's not that a lesbian character has to have certain traits, or say certain things. (And if that's what you're saying here, I get that.) It's that she shouldn't have "lesbian" just tacked on like a character quirk or something.  

I also understand how Suvi isn't good enough rep. Maybe it's just me being sentimental about Traynor, but there is part of me that's glad Andromeda wound up with a lesbian character. That's all I was saying. 

Fuck off. You don't know how happy or angry I am about the game, you don't know how satisfied I am with the romance plotlines, and you definitely don't know anything about what gay ladies think about this whole thing. You're just stepping up to white-knight your waifu because there's no explicit mention of her actually fucking anybody, so you can pretend she's good enough to be ace. I'm not ace. I won't pretend to be able to say anything meaningful about how ace people are handled in the games, or how they should be handled. But when I read your posts, what I see is "FYGM".

But what I can say something meaningful about is the fact that I'm sick and tired of "lesbian representation" being "let's make a bunch of ladies 'bisexual' by changing a few animations and calling it a day". I'm sick and tired of half the reason for gay and bi women to be in games being "dudes get boners from lesbians". I'm sick and tired of that shit in real life, and I'm definitely sick and tired of it in video games. It's nice that Suvi is gay. It is better than it was in ME1, when there were no lesbians, and ME2, when there weren't even any bi women unless you shelled out for DLC. Whoop de fucking doo. Her romance plotline is fine. There are plenty of things that are fine about her. There are also plenty of things that are not fine about her, and I think it's shitty and obnoxious that you're talking down the people that are complaining about them while, y'know, not actually being a gay lady.

Bi ladies are great. Having bi ladies to romance in video games is also great. Peebee is pretty great. Vetra is also pretty great. Having only bi ladies contributes to a general sense of "lesbians are only in this game because we're really making it for male fap material". That sense doesn't get diminished when there are only three queer ladies that aren't bi, and one of them was bi until really late in development, and another one stripped down for dudes so they got their fap material anyway.

Like I said before, I like Suvi okay. Her voice is rad. Her arc is okay. She's got plenty of interesting things to say. I think you're going way overboard with "most prominent crewmember" but you're certainly entitled to your opinion on that particular subject. I'm not nearly as angry about this as some other posters in this thread. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to express disappointment that Suvi, too, is another example of how the entire game is tilted toward people who play straight male characters, and how a last-second patch job to remove the male romance doesn't really help anybody. She wasn't developed from the ground up as a lesbian, like Sera was. Shit, Katy Townsend probably didn't even know she was playing a lesbian character until right before the game came out - look at how she was faving Bryder/Suvi stuff and blocking people talking about Suvi being gay.

I don't pretend Suvi is ace or see her as such. I see her as a lesbian who happens to not have sexual relations with Ryder. The only time I will see a character as part of the ace spectrum is if the writers say that is a valid interpretation. Until then, I will see them as the orientation they are stated to be.

ME2 had Kelly, but I understand your point in regards to the Shepard Trilogy prior to ME3.
Who got stripped down? 

I love how you assume things about me, especially considering the assumptions are false. 

I know they aren't the same thing. I own the Prima guide, and it states multiple times that Suvi is only available to women. The only thing that ever suggested otherwise in the entire guide was that picture. 

It's not heavily implied. If anything the journal implies the other direction since her relationship never mentions sex unlike all the other LIs. Even some of the devs commented about how that romance is one of the ambiguous ones they referred to. 
How is that erasing her sexuality? Are people only their sexual orientation after they've had that kind of sex?
I don't have any issue with them. 

Her fade to black is heavily implied, keep ignoring the obvious to fit your want for Suvi to be your ace LI. Yunno Hanako, lesbians have sex and they enjoy it.

I have the devs on my side, so there is no ignoring going on on my part.
I know that lesbians like all people can have sex and enjoy it. 

Are you going to continue taking potshots or are you actually going to have a discussion? Would like to know so I know if I'm wasting my time or not.