Suvi Anwar (Official Thread)

Don't get me wrong, I agree on many things, this game really has many problems and yeah, m/f DOES have better treatment. But that's also why I don't think adding theoretical problems to the list is a good idea.

I "beat" the game and have a bunch of side quests and terraforming crap to do, but lost my will to continue, lol.

I'm wondering if it's worth a replay to romance PeeBee (to those who romanced her)? I love her and she's my fave character but I think the romance scene is bleh. Is the rest good though? It definitely seems like there would be more content than Suvi's romance.

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. This change didn't occur on some early stage of development. It happened within last few months when her whole character arc has been already completed. None of her content was created with the intention to provide lesbians any representation, and thus nothing about her implicates she even likes women.

She's been simply locked for women at the last minute. It would be different thing if she was rewritten as a lesbian, but nothing like that occured. Her writer didn't write her as a gay woman and there's no content to imply so. So she's not any more a lesbian character than Morrigan made romanceable by women by using a mod.

I should discuss Peebs more often, that topic actually is a plus, really like her.

I pursued a serious relationship with her *all the strings* I know you can also go for the casual hook up and still have her commit to you later. Not sure how different the dialogue is in the love scene in regards to going that route tho.

My Sara is tech focused, engi/infiltrator, finding it fun so far and it at least gives me a reason to use Peebs and Cora alot.

Lol on attention for gay men.  Personally I think they wrote that horrible gay parenting storyline for themselves to be first to market in hopes of getting media praise than gay men, who have no squad mates and two short options with little content. I'd happily trade Gil for a plethora of bi guys and a poorly animated sex scene that isn't fade to black. 

I don't think it's condemning that Sufi doesn't run around talking abut being a lesbian. I don't talk about my sexuality at work or in my private life unless the topic comes up. If your able to get romance scenes she's clearly a lesbian. -.-  I know lesbians irl that I met through work that I didn't know were lesbians for years. 

that said i I'd I agree that only straight men come out on top. I don't even feel straight women have it all that great this time.  Seems most content was made for straight male enjoyment.  

Of course there are random lgbt npc that I am glad were included. 

In regards to getting scraps, Kaidan is my all time favorite gay romance out of all the BioWare games, and he was clearly written originally as straight or retconned bi. I don't really care if he was an afterthought for gays in ME3 - didn't detract from my enjoyment and appreciation one bit. 

It seems harsh to call the Devs "gross" when most Devs teams don't care about having an LGBT audience at all. I think disappointing is more fair. 

I mentioned it only within the context of representation and actual work put into content provided to players of various sexualities. I agree that Gil's storyline is just extremely cliche and short, it's not like these devs actually cared about it like they cared about their straight characters. Still, there is a character written as a gay man with a storyline meant to touch real life issues affecting gay men. Meanwhile there is no lesbian character in this game, the whole reason Suvi doesn't talk about being a lesbian is because she wasn't designed as one.

So this hinges on her saying one additional line, "Sorry Ryder I'm a lesbian?"

To be honest these are some of the most cringeworthy lines I've encountered for gay characters in BioWare games.  I actually kinda like Suvi plays it coy.

Firstly, I'm happily romancing Suvi and it's pretty good! Well when I say good... I mean really, really cute.

I really want Ryder to go - hey here's some rocks AND I've spoken to Sid (cause Verra thinks it's frivolous) and well... Tea! It's not Earth grown tea... but it's tea and your British... well Scottish... and they're sort of the same thing... but you know Tea!

(Kallo would at this point be groaning in his chair between wanting to bang his head on his console and not wanting to disrespect the Tempest).

Secondly, I really don't know what to think about the Guide screw-up with Suvi's romance. It's clearly states she's female only but in. Oath the e and hardback version her relationship quest bit, clearly shows Scott. I always tend towards cock-up (and Prima don't have a great track record when it comes to Mass Effect Guides) rather than conspiracy. But this is the Mass Effect team which seem to think that all gamers are teenage boys - so who knows!

But thirdly, in the end, how much does it matter? In the end, Suvi is a female only romance, she's quite an important character (unlike Gil who feels a bit tacked on) and she's decidedly not Traynor OR Kelly (but no Sera either!). As long as Bioware don't change it!! Mind it does show Bioware's Mass Effect team are completely clueless and their attitude towards LGBT issues is poor - but did we need more evidence of that!

I have never once insisted that Suvi is asexual or not a lesbian. Seriously, people need to knock that off and stop putting words in my mouth.
I said she can be interpreted as a nonsexual romance, as in a romance that does not involve sex. There are people of all orientations who have relationships like that for a variety of reasons. 

Thank you. I perhaps didn't explain myself brilliantly.

I'm lucky - I'm straight and male (though far from a teenager!). I'm always going to be represented (massively so). I've just had a bit of a rant about this on the (awful) makesuvibi thread. Representation IS important and the treatment of LGBT issues in this game and other Mass Effect ones is poor (and the attitude that comes across from #prettygoodbanging does appear to be aimed at straight male teenagers and everything that is assumed comes with that).

And it shouldn't be - it's not difficult or require someone to be brave. It's 2017!! Disney (Disney FFS) can tell Malaysia get over itself and show Beauty and the Beast and even Power Rangers has a gay character in it! Just think about it and write good characters.

I'm not going to stop buying games because someone's gay in it, I'd buy a good game with a gay protagonist leading it just as I currently buy games with games with a female lead. I shook my head when it came out that Sony were worried that HZD had a female lead and how it would sell.

I don't think she's asexual or Sara-only. That would be such a BBC thing to do (where she would discover she likes men or gets hit by a car or both). Sadly, that isn't a joke.

It looks like Suvi was available to both Scott and Sara and then locked for just Sara (if we take the guide as a start point). A bit like the reverse of Vetra (if reports are to be believed) and possibly Jamal (if dataminers were right).

My sort of point was does it in the end matter that the route was bad (I mean really bad) if in the end it gets it right.

I think the Suvi romance does appear to be one of the things they got right. It's sweet and funny and believeable - the only problem seems to be there's not enough of it! But that's a complaint that applies to everyone bar Jaal and Cora.

I like that there's not a sex scene - not because I think Suvi is asexual but because they pander and are often terrible (though Dragon Age Inquisition's are better). The Cora and Jamal ones seem okay (shows where the focus was) but Peebee's is lazily done (especially for Sara) as are some of the other romance scenes (Scott/Reyes dancing doesn't look right either).

Poor Suvi is clearly having a rough day. She couldn't even be bothered to stand up and walk over to Sara and Kallo.